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Posted by Tyler Skinner (Member # 229) on 04-18-2000, 09:44 PM:
 
I love these new 2:30 trailers that give away the whole movie...

the worst:
Gone in 60 seconds (should have made it 60 seconds)
U-571- (I've seen this pice of shit trailer so many times I actually DON'T want to watch the movie)
Frequency (I screened it for the sneak- the movie is actually a 2 hour version of the trailer)

and the absolute worst!

The Patriot!!
F@#$cking 2:50 tells the whole F!@#CKING story, and halfway through uses the music from the ROMEO MUST DIE trailer... WHAT ARE THESE MONGOLOIDS THINKING!!!????

garrarararrrr...
 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 04-18-2000, 10:29 PM:
 
Disney's trailer cutter is the worst of all. I think most people will agree with me here on that one. Although I will give you the Frequency trailer was nothing but one 2 minute spoiler! I'm glad I only saw the U-571 trailer once without sound through the port window. I might enjoy it!

I'm getting so, so, so tired of the little comedic stinger at the end of ALL trailers nowadays. You know where someone will cut together an interesting looking trailer, flash the title, credits and then WHAM they hit you with some stupid little "supposed to be funny" clip that just elicits groans from the audience. In horror movies, this is of course that one last 2 second shot of the killer attacking some girl as she screams. How lame. I feel like cutting those last shots out.
 


Posted by Mitchell Cope (Member # 32) on 04-19-2000, 03:19 PM:
 
A month or so ago my wife and I went to see something at the local popular multiplex (AMC). Someone made the mistake of splicing two "Gone In 60 Seconds" trailers back to back. The agony of seeing that trailer a second time with the tires squealing and Angelina Jolie asking that stupid question about which is better, stealing cars or sex. Obviously she never had to watch that trailer twice in a row.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 04-21-2000, 12:51 PM:
 
Trailers are made by advertising people. They are used to showing the BEST parts of "whatever" they're advertising...be it movies, cars or whatever.

The fault lies with the promotion departments of the studios who approve these things.

I agree with Brad, Disney is the worst. They also started the nonsense of putting the release dates in the middle of the trailer ("This June 9th, experience the adventure...") as if the entire audience in the whole world is going to see the movie in one day.

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Mike Blakesley
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Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 04-21-2000, 01:04 PM:
 
It is always cute when a trailer is showing in a second run house and contains a opening date that is long past

 
Posted by Tom Ferreira (Member # 70) on 04-21-2000, 09:50 PM:
 
And it really sucks for those of us that have to run trailer loops on tape in the lobby, and a new tape only comes every two months. Unfortunately, Gone In Sixty Seconds and the five minute Dinosaur snorefest(the one that was on Toy Story 2)are on the latest tape..at least three times each.
 
Posted by Tyler Skinner (Member # 229) on 04-21-2000, 10:49 PM:
 
hey, at least you don't have to listen to the F!@#$ING "Regal Television Network"

eventually it becomes like Niagra Falls, you live there for a while and then you just don't hear it.
 


Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 08-16-2001, 07:46 PM:
 
Mike B: You nailed that one 100%.

Two great trailers of recent years are Road Trip and The Fast and the Furious

Road Trip? That trailer has a segment of my all-time favorite hit record -- "I Think I Love You".

The Fast and the Furious? See my review of the movie. Brad will agree, won't he?

Mitchell C: I've come across a situation similar to yours. Once I saw the trailer for Big Momma's House twice in a row I think it was before Love & Basketball.
 


Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-16-2001, 08:27 PM:
 
quote:
I'm getting so, so, so tired of the little comedic stinger at the end of ALL trailers nowadays.

Are you kidding? Comedic stingers enhance the trailer tenfold and at least TRIPLE the business of ANY movie! Actually, it seems that ALL trailers have some sort of stinger at the end, even when it's not supposed to be comedic.

Bow your head!
 


Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 08-16-2001, 10:36 PM:
 
>>It is always cute when a trailer is showing in a second run house and contains a opening date that is long past<<

When i worked in second run and dollar houses in the mid-80s I would end up editing the hell out of trailers that had embedded release dates in them because it is just so freaking LAME to be advertising films that have visual and audio announcements stating "This Christmas" or "Coming Thanksgiving"...in MARCH

As a matter of fact i avoided running any trailers at all in the dollar house because I didnt think it was right to be: a) advertising films that we might or might not ever play, and if we did it would be several months down the road and b) almost always had the release dates embedded in them somewhere (before i would get into the editing part). and c) giving the competition free advertising. In one of the dollar houses I was FORCED to play the attached trailer (if the film still had one by then) with any film with the sole exception of if the trailer was for a film we had already played.

Lets have trailers without all the release dates, give subrun a break... hell, I am surprised that trailers arent adding the projected video release dates into their trailers in first run! Even Fox had released some 'Cast Away' trailers advertising its VIDEO release date back in May!

rant off
Aaron


 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-17-2001, 02:52 PM:
 
Aaron: I'm another one of those "editors." I refuse to have release dates on my trailers unless I know we're opening the film on the break (which only happens a few times a year).

The release date problem would be solved if they'd just put the release date at the very end of the trailer, in silence. Would have more impact that way, too, IMHO. Then subruns could just cut that part off.


 


Posted by Steve Scott (Member # 630) on 08-17-2001, 05:48 PM:
 
In an act of tragic irony, we took the Sprite "Death Slug" trailer with the movie execs talking about how to exploit the cheesy movie that didn't have a script yet, and spliced it onto Wild Wild West.
I don't remember anyone that didn't find that funny.
 
Posted by Ky Boyd (Member # 23) on 08-20-2001, 08:08 PM:
 
Then there are those trailers that are made BEFORE the studio decides to change the release date. My favorite of those was My Dog Skip which said something like coming this January when the film didn't come out until March and the trailers shipped to theatres in February. The little art films companies that put dates or in some cases seasons (with particularily slow releases) in their trailers based on NY/LA openings also irritate.
 
Posted by Jesse Skeen (Member # 586) on 08-21-2001, 01:16 AM:
 
I remember that "My Dog Skip" trailer- the first ones had the guy say in the middle "This January..." and said onscreen "Coming in January" or something like that at the end. When they moved the release date, the text at the end was changed to "Coming this March" but the soundtrack still said "This January". I pulled the trailer right when I noticed that, it ended up in my small 'oddities' trailer section (along with the two "Astronaut's Wife" trailers which are exactly the same except Charize Theron's name is pronounced differently- still not sure which one is right.)
 
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 12-16-2001, 01:43 PM:
 
Are you running the trailer for The Shipping News? There's a voice-over tag that starts "This Christmas . . ." The Shipping News opens in NYC/LA on Xmas Day as "Oscar Bait". Goes into wide release on 1/11. The studio involved? Miramax!

Ky, Jesse: That trailer for My Dog Skip was originally cut when WB planned a limited release. The March date got embedded after WB decided on a wide release after all.
 


Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 12-16-2001, 06:46 PM:
 
Perhaps someone can develop a more specific mathmetic formula for this observation: The more of the movie they show you in the trailer, the more it will suck.

Here's another thing: the teasers are usually more interesting than the trailers themselves. Why not just go to 30 second teasers? Aside from making the lives of managers and projectionists easier (you don't have to pack 30 minutes worth of crap on the front of a two hour movie and then still figure out how in the hell to get 5 show times a day) having only quick teasers might force some of those idiots who arrive late all the time to get to the theater EARLY, get their refreshments and plant their big butts in their seats before the lights go down!
 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 12-16-2001, 07:30 PM:
 
If trailers were cut down from 2 minutes to 30 seconds, instead of running 5 trailers per movie, theaters would then run 20 trailers per movie. That would be much more tiring. Besides, these "combo trailers" that are coming attached to features nowadays feel like I am watching a big TV with their rushed feeling.
 
Posted by Mike Jones (Member # 522) on 12-17-2001, 04:18 AM:
 
OK, All this talk of poor trailers has gotten me mad! I have always been an advocate of the 60 second trailer. I love teasers. However, there are a couple trailers out there in recent memory that *seem* like they give away the movie but don't even tell you the real plot such as In the Bedroom. A.I. was a great trailer...didn't show you anything more than what you needed to know.

Why can't studios get it through their heads that this will suffice. The Mission to Mars teaser I remember people raving about...Once the full trailer and movie came out it was a different story altogether. But geez, just think if they'd left it with the teaser.

How does somebody get the job of a trailer cutter? Because I want it! Sign me up.
 


Posted by Pete Naples (Member # 761) on 12-17-2001, 04:45 PM:
 
Here in the UK ( I assume the US has one fo these guys too ), trailers are always voiced over by 'Movie Voice Man', who sounds like Sly Stalone dropped down 6 octaves. What are they going to do when he retires??
 
Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 12-17-2001, 06:44 PM:
 
Pete Naples said, "trailers are always voiced over by 'Movie Voice Man'"

Movie Voice Man is Don LaFontaine. Jim Cutler sounds a lot like him, and does voiceovers for ESPN and Judge Mills Lane, among others.
 


Posted by Ken Lackner (Member # 1002) on 12-25-2001, 08:20 PM:
 
So why is it Mr. Movie Voice Man is on almost every sing trailer? I've wondered that since I was a little kid. TV commercials, too. (Not just for movies, but for others.)

I like 2 minute trailers. I like trailers that look like mini-movies (Dinosaur). But most of all, I like teasers. I agree that some trailers give away the movie. Alot of comedies, for example, Shallow Hal, have the funniest parts in the trailer, and then you'r dissapointed when you see the movie. But the movies usually do have some kind of ending that isn't given in the trialer.

My favorite teasers: Monsters Inc, Ice Age, Star Wars EP II, Star Trek: First Contact.
 


Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 12-26-2001, 01:51 AM:
 
Episode II Breathing, Episode II Black Eyes, or episode I?
I enjoyed the the Episode I trailers, but I cant say the same for the ones for Episode II.
 
Posted by Ken Lackner (Member # 1002) on 12-26-2001, 08:08 AM:
 
I said Ep. II, so that leaves out Episode I. I said teaser, so that means breathing, not black eyes.
 
Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 12-26-2001, 12:45 PM:
 
Ok, I wasnt sure.
I know a lot of people who really enjoyed the Episode I teaser but have hated the Episode II trailers.
I just didnt know if you put Episode II by mistake or if it was one of those that you were actually talking about.
I still consider Black Eyes a teaser even thougt its a full lenght trailer.
 
Posted by Ken Lackner (Member # 1002) on 12-31-2001, 06:48 PM:
 
I just saw the teaser for "Signs." Two words: Kick ass!!
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 12-31-2001, 07:54 PM:
 
Optimus Prime from the Transformers cartoon seems to voice a lot of trailers. I guess when the Transformers gig was up he had to find something better to do, like lend his voice to every single trailer.

Dwayne likes Optimus Prime.
 


Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 01-02-2002, 12:39 PM:
 
Here's another howler: The Count of Monte Cristo trailer has a voice-over tag that goes "This fall . . ." Guess when that movie is being released? The end of January! Not only that, the trailer is attached to an "Oscar Bait" picture (The Royal Tenenbaums).

While Disney-owned ABC parrots US gov't propaganda as "news", Disney-owned Touchstone Pictures doesn't pay close attention to trailers.


 


Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 01-03-2002, 06:30 AM:
 
The reason Movie Voice Man does every freakin trailer and tv promo on the PLANET, is because Hollywood execs are ineffectual wusses who have chicken fat for spines. Someone hears a CEO at one of those wine and brie cocktail parties say that Movie Voice Man's chonic-state-of-strep-throat sound was "compelling," so now everyone's afraid to risk using another voice -- they don't have the cahones to hire anyone other than Don (cept Disney -- they still have their veteran Happy Voice Man).

This phenomonon of one guy getting every single VO job in the entertainment market is not making the other hundreds of voice-over artist very happy. The guy drives around in a limo drinking champaigne (and probably eating sandpaper strips), going from one recording studeo to another, ALL DAY LONG. I do some voice-over work occasionally and I can't tell you how maddening it is to hear this guy's gravel throat on promo after promo after promo -- you can't get away from him. Of course it's nice that the guy was able to parley such a successful career out of such a old, gutteral sound (me, I'm thinking Faust), but damn, dude, give someone else a chance. And BTW, Don, watch your back if you ever come to Brooklyn.
 


Posted by Michael Brown (Member # 890) on 09-22-2002, 05:49 PM:
 
I'm a Student Second-run Cinema. I'm currently running the 'Lord Of The Ring: FOTR' Trailer. We are showing it in exactly a weeks time. The traier has "December" in it twice. One at the end in silence (which I removed first). And agin in the middle (which I removed after screening the trailer for myself)
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 09-22-2002, 08:39 PM:
 
I hate trailers with dates in them! They make it sound like everyone should go to the movie on the exact same date, which of course would be impossible.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 09-22-2002, 10:21 PM:
 
I think movie trailers with dates on them are pretty funny, especially when the trailer is still playing on the front of another film well past that date the trailer listed.
 
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 09-24-2002, 08:08 AM:
 
In the arthouse world, we are happy to get ANY older trialers that we can get our hands on -- dates or seasons ("Coming this Christmas") in the audio or not, although sometimes those season things can work if you are reeeealy lucky.

I use Letraset graphics products that work very well for just this situation. The product is a thin strip of black flexible material with adhesive backing that is the exact width of the soundtrack.

Next you play the dated trailer, and using a grease pencil, touch the film on the base side when the date is spoken and release it when it is finished. It would be great to have one of those stand-alone optical playback units that you can plop down on the rewind bench and roll back and forth like we used to do editing reel-to-reel audio tape -- but I have to settle for threading up in the projector -- so be it. Sometimes it takes a few plays to get it exact, but once you get the knack, it's easy. Next you just lay the tape over the soundtrack for the length of the grease pencil mark and wipe the mark off. We did this recently on a trailer for the STARWARS trilogy trailer in which each release date was announced for the three films. It worked so well that you almost didn't notice the second or so where the sound went mute.

Arthouse guys are dogs....we have to make everything and anything we can get our hands on work. Don't get me started on making 1 sheets from any existing material, even old LP soundtrack album covers, and scanning it into a computer, working it in Photoshop and then tiling out the 12 sections to an inkjet printer, glueing all the 8.5x11 sheets together to make a fairly passable 1 sheet.
 


Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 10-26-2003, 04:59 PM:
 
If the trailer says "Strength . . . Courage . . . Hope" or any variation of same, you can tell the movie is gonna be [bs] Current examples: Master and Commander, The Last Samurai, The Alamo.

If the trailer uses the ever-present Trajan typeface, you can tell the movie will make you [sleep] Current examples: Master and Commander, The Last Samurai, House of Sand and Fog.

If the trailer uses original typography, you can tell the movie will be [Smile] Current examples: Love Actually, 21 Grams, Something's Gotta Give, Calendar Girls.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-26-2003, 09:06 PM:
 
How about if Trajan is used inventively, like in "The Missing?"
 
Posted by Brian Guckian (Member # 1678) on 10-27-2003, 02:39 PM:
 
Frank, you should do what Mr. Remington did and buy the company!

I worked in a cinema where the policy was to chop off offending out-of-date dates, even if the card came up in the middle of the trailer... [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 10-27-2003, 06:24 PM:
 
deleted by author- forgot I already had posted the same thing on the first page [Razz]
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 11-03-2003, 12:58 AM:
 
quote:
If the trailer says "Strength . . . Courage . . . Hope" or any variation of same, you can tell the movie is gonna be
or "Powerful"...

"An all-too real human drama.."
 
Posted by Eric Hooper (Member # 1730) on 11-04-2003, 10:15 AM:
 
On the "Lost In Space" trailer:

"Get ready for the most human adventure of them all"

Ummm, as opposed to what? Aren't all movies 'human adventures'? I cringed everytime I saw this trailer in the theatres....
 




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