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Posted by Scott D. Neff (Member # 185) on 05-17-2000, 12:48 PM:
 
I'm sure there is an old thread somewhere talkin about this... but I just wanted to rekindle frustrations about the differences in regional projector dialect.

When I was first trained... I was trained to LOAD the projectors. When our manager was replaced, EVERY time I told him "I'm gonna go load #2" -- he'd ALWAYS, without fail respond with "Huh? Do we have a truck out back? Where are you taking #2?? We need that! Don't load it onto anything!" and he'd play stupid until I said "THREAD the projector."

I have him to thank for my annoyance every time I hear somebody say "LOAD" the projector.

THREAD the film through the BRAIN.
BUILD UP & BREAK DOWN movies.

I think that's the basics of the Cinema West dialect.

 


Posted by Dwayne Caldwell (Member # 417) on 05-17-2000, 01:01 PM:
 
I've heard of LOADING film onto a platter in the buildup sense. Only heard someone say they were going to LACE UP the projector once, but I didn't think that meant he was going to decorate the machine. I think it's safe to say you're manager doesn't understands the physics involved in moving a projector, Scott. It takes at least TWO people to LOAD UP a projector

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Posted by Aaron Mehocic (Member # 15) on 05-17-2000, 01:02 PM:
 
Here in western Pennsylvania, we use both "thread" and "lace". I prefer "lace" because one would "thread" a sewing machine NOT a film projector. It doesn't take long for new folks in the booth to use the word "lace" when talking with me. If they don't, they know the tongue-lashing will follow!
 
Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 05-17-2000, 01:02 PM:
 
Thread and Load are both used here in Eau Claire Wisconsin. We don't 'break down' movies though, we tear them down.
 
Posted by Dwayne Caldwell (Member # 417) on 05-17-2000, 01:09 PM:
 
If THREADING is like sewing, then would splicing be STITCHING? I've also heard of STRINGING UP a projector. Does that qualify as tongue lashing material, Aaron?

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Posted by Howard Johnson (Member # 62) on 05-17-2000, 01:21 PM:
 
In England I think most projectionists LACE their projectors. THREAD seems to be used by amateur enthusiasts with 8mm projectors. Howard Johnson

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 05-17-2000, 02:48 PM:
 
Funny, no one has mentioneed "string it up" yet.
 
Posted by Christos Mitsakis (Member # 143) on 05-17-2000, 03:14 PM:
 
in Greece is its "pass the film through" the projector.
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 05-17-2000, 03:50 PM:
 
One loads a camera. One threads or laces a projector. If one strings a projector then you must be hanging it out to dry..... You better use darn good aircraft steel cable! Or a crane if you have AA-2's.
Mark
P.S. What the heck happens to them when they are on the rinse/spin cycle?
If you "pass the film through" the projector wouldn't that leave a big hole in the mainframe?


 


Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 05-17-2000, 04:17 PM:
 
Yes, you can thread a projector AND a needle, but don't forget you can also lace your sneakers!

I'm okay with just about any terminology, as long as they don't call the projector a CAMERA, and film TAPE! This is ultimate ignorance.

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Posted by Jeff Stricker (Member # 224) on 05-17-2000, 04:25 PM:
 
Been using THREAD since I learned in the late '50's.
 
Posted by Travis Cape (Member # 466) on 05-17-2000, 05:07 PM:
 
Here is the midwest it seems to be standard to Thread a projector. I always thought the term Lace was used by AMC operators who were just in the booth to avoid the popcorn sales.
 
Posted by Josh Jones (Member # 447) on 05-17-2000, 05:31 PM:
 
Up here in fargo make-up, tear-down and thread are used most often. never heard of
"lacing up" a projector though.

Hey Dustin, do you work in that drive-in in Eau Claire?
mabe I'll drop by this summer.

Josh


 


Posted by Aaron Mehocic (Member # 15) on 05-17-2000, 09:33 PM:
 
Dwayne,
Ah my friend, you see that is exactly why "threading" is the WRONG terminology for putting film inside the machine. One does not "stitch" film, it is impossible! Therefore, how can one "thread" film? Thread is an entirely different medium.

Annoyed yet?

Aaron

 


Posted by Ethan Harper (Member # 472) on 05-17-2000, 10:07 PM:
 
i use teh term "thread " because that is what i was raised with. i once had a girl proj. who worked with me at cinemark who was from virginia. She exclaimed that she was going to "lace up" a side. This was a completely new and weird experience for me. at first i just thought she did not know what she was talking about.

im my own opinion the def. ot thread is to feed somthing trough somewhere else to a given destination. Oh im sorry i mean "Final Destination".

Lacing is when you mix two objects together?

Although my tech uses the term load a print but when he is running a booth, he actually calls it threading.

Used in a senetence. thread my laces in my shoes.

 


Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 05-17-2000, 10:35 PM:
 
Josh:

I work at the 12 plex in town, at the Oakwood Mall. I'm always there Friday afternnons, Saturday nights, Tuesday afternnons, and Wednesday afternoon. I also have a fifth shift either on Sunday's or Thursday afternoons. It will probably be Thursday this summer. Drop by anytime, I'll be happy to give you the grand tour of our cluttered and messy booth.
 


Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 05-17-2000, 10:42 PM:
 
If people use certain words, you can tell they are WANKERS! ("Camera", "Tape", etc.)

Around here it's "Thread" (Western Pennsylvania)

But then again, in Western PA, people say "Root" when they mean "Route" and "Soda" is called "Pop".
 


Posted by Ethan Harper (Member # 472) on 05-17-2000, 10:53 PM:
 
Soda called Pop.

no its called coke. sprite or Dr. pepper

Im sorry i even use to live up north and still find it strange?

oh wait im sorry if you are up north that means most likely you drink pepsi instead.

wzup with dat yo?

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Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 05-17-2000, 11:10 PM:
 
No, I drink Coca-Cola. I only drink Pepsi as a last resort!

Pepsi is communist. They make their cans red, white and blue to try to prove they're not!

You REALLY wanna' hear some messed-up lingo? Go to New England! I lived in Boston for over 5 years and was only STARTING to get the hang of it. Pittsburgh would be my second choice for "regional idioms". ("Poke" -- "Gumband" -- "Gynt-Iggle")
 


Posted by Scott Magie (Member # 368) on 05-18-2000, 12:16 AM:
 
Build up. Break down.
Thread up. Or String up.

What's really bad is when people call the brain the "governor" or "film governor"! Way too many syllables for this cat!

I had a customer tell me that the tracking was off once. Another misframe produced someone who said that the focus was off. Someone else once told me that 5 minutes of the film just melted!

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 05-18-2000, 12:22 AM:
 
I was working with a tech once during a typical UA theatre install. UA always outsources who does the booth install for them. Anyway, this guy was very adament that I do not refer to the Christie brain as a "brain". He wanted me to call it a feedplate or something like that, but I didn't listen. He had some weird Hungarian accent or something (Ian will know who I am talking about). He wanted me to call the cards behind the hinged door on the platter the "brain."


 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 05-18-2000, 12:45 AM:
 
I'm in Montana, and I "thread" the "machine." The only time I ever say projector is if I'm talking to a civilian.

I "make up" film (I use a light foundation followed by a... no, I won't go there) and "take it down" when finished.

When I first learned, back when this was a changeover booth, the act of transfering the film from the shipping reels to the house reels was called "making up," at least by the guy who trained me and he'd been here 25 years.

Also I drink Pepsi. If their red, white and blue cans make them communist, then what do Coke's red cans make them....Native American??


 


Posted by Bill Purdy (Member # 202) on 05-18-2000, 10:20 AM:
 
I am a bit surprised that we haven't had any input from our British associates. Most of the references I have heard to "lacing" a projector were in British publications. I have also seen what we call a lateral guide roller referred to as a "lay-on" roller. Just regional differences.

It has also been interesting to me to see those same regional differences show up in other practices. As a lad discovering those strange dark rooms way up there behind the balcony, ususally populated by a semi-antisocial character working in a haze of grey smoke, change-overs were activated by a foot pedal for the douser. You stood beside your incoming machine to make your changeover. Most of the pedals were switches controlling "Zipper" dousers, but I have seen systems wherein the pedal was mechanically connected by bicycle chain to cast iron flags on the front wall. In other parts of the country everything is (was) wired to a central console between the machines where it was all done with pushbuttons. On arc lamps that did not have hand douser handles on both sides, you had to reach around the right machine to open them.

Speaking of differences, for those of us who have been in lots of single changeover houses, there are the fascinating little devices those projectionists used to concoct to make their lives easier. All the gadgets to hold the doors open (illegally) alone could make up a long thread here----perhaps another day.

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Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 05-18-2000, 11:15 AM:
 
Maybe we should start a thread on "old-timer" stories:

Showing films using 1000-foot reels.
"Carbon Savers".
Silver "jaws".
Collecting copper drippings for Will Rogers.
Projectors with doors and film magazines.
Fire shutters.
Nitrate film. (Acetate film).
Cement splices.
Phototubes instead of solar cells or CCDs.
Vacuum tubes instead of solid state.
Motor-Generators, ballasts, and mercury vapor rectifiers.
Rigorous training and certification of projectionists to develop technical skills.
Projection as a skilled CAREER.
Two operators per screen for 70mm.
Five operators per screen for Cinerama.
Film exchanges run by each distributor that actually inspected prints for damage.
"Academy" format
Curtains (and not just one set).
Showmanship.
etc.

Lots has changed, much for the better, some for the worse. We can't go back, and wouldn't want to. But we can learn and apply those things that provided the professional presentation and "showmanship" that is so often missing today.

BTW, I'm really not THAT old, but I did use carbon savers, silver "jaws" and saved copper drippings for good ol' Will.

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Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
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Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 05-18-2000, 11:38 AM:
 
I have been there and done that for almost all of those except we used to sell the copper drippings for beer money and also we sold the carbon butts to a printshop who used them for plate burning
At two theatres we had MG sets one was in the booth the other beside it
Ran the Ballantyne and AMpex tube systems
still have magazine covers and doors installed
Used Carbon savers (used to make them)
And when my paycheck bounced the silver jaws re-enbursed me
I am feeling old


 


Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 05-18-2000, 11:41 AM:
 
John,
In the old days you left out working for the mob..........
 
Posted by Russ Kress (Member # 461) on 05-18-2000, 10:43 PM:
 
Here's the official West Virginia dialect:

*clears throat*

When a film arrives, we "make it up" (make-up) on to the platter.

We then proceed to "thread" it into the projector day in and day out. The first item we thread it through has two common names, depending on the age of the speaker. The young folks (snooty college types) call it the brain and the old geezers call it the "pay-out".

When were finished, we "break it down" (break-down) on to the reels.

BTW, Possum fat makes better popcorn than ANY other oil on the market! As an added bonus, the hide makes an excellent film cleaner media.


*Well, now that I've cleared that up...*

Russ


 


Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 05-18-2000, 11:01 PM:
 
West Virginia must be near here somewhere 'cos that's what we say to a tee.

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Posted by Ky Boyd (Member # 23) on 05-20-2000, 07:21 PM:
 
The only projector I've ever heard load be the correct term for was a Kodak Super 8mm machine that used either 50 ft reels or 400 ft reels in cartridges. You snapped in the cartridge and hit the load button.

I do, however, load a camera with film.


 


Posted by Carl King (Member # 398) on 05-25-2000, 10:10 PM:
 

Ever since I started projecting it has been "thread up". The only time I've heard anyone use "lace" was during the early 1980's when I was training a woman from the Mass area. She used the term lace up. Now with platters the terms used here are "make up a print" "tear down a print".

There will be standard terminology when there is standard training.
 


Posted by Carl King (Member # 398) on 05-25-2000, 10:16 PM:
 
John Pytlak.. you are singing my song. I, too, used to save carbon dripping for Will Rogers. I started in an old Odeon house with Century CC projectors..Peerless lamphouses and all that great old stuff. I wouldn't want to go back either but it sure was fun.

By the way, great columns in Film Notes for Reel People.
 


Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 05-26-2000, 05:35 AM:
 
Carl: Thanks for the kind words. Nice to know someone is reading my ramblings. As you know, Brad has most of the back issues of FNRP in the "Manuals" section of Film-Tech. The Kodak website also has the last few years on-line:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/reel

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Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
 


Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 05-27-2000, 11:14 AM:
 
>>Showing films using 1000-foot reels.
"Carbon Savers".
Silver "jaws".
Collecting copper drippings for Will Rogers.
Projectors with doors and film magazines.
Fire shutters.
Nitrate film. (Acetate film).
Cement splices.
Phototubes instead of solar cells or CCDs.
Vacuum tubes instead of solid state.
Motor-Generators, ballasts, and mercury vapor rectifiers.<<

John.. <snnniff!>, you're bringing tears to my eyes. And yes, I WOULD want to go back to those days, when it was a CRAFT! Just pick me up, and set me down somewhere in the middle of 1948!! I'll take it from there.

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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 05-27-2000, 12:24 PM:
 
Tim, I think you mean split phototube like they used to use for push pull tracks. They would work fine for stereo today!
Mark
 
Posted by Christopher K. Williams (Member # 418) on 05-27-2000, 02:52 PM:
 
In my region, terminology seems to differ between chains, and even individual theaters. Moreover, our terms don’t always follow set pattern. For example,

At my theater, we BUILD film using the MAKE-UP TABLE, but never say we MAKE UP a film, for some odd reason. At the end of its run, we BREAKDOWN film, but one of our managers (who came here from another theater) calls it TEARING DOWN.

My friend at another theater puts a trailer PACKAGE before the first reel of the feature, but I call it a trailer SET.

We sometimes say we THREAD a PROJECTOR, or LOAD a MACHINE, depending on the mood of the day, but I have never heard the term LACE before today.

Just last week, I called another theater of a different chain in our town, to find out when we could pick up a ROLL-OFF (used print) we were getting from them. I asked her when that movie DROPS (meaning: when does it finish playing); she kindly informed me that it “TAILED OUT” at 11:30 (I had never heard the term “tail out” before).

The film at our theater plays out of a CENTER-FEED MECHANISM, and NEVER out of a BRAIN. That is how I was trained (by a union projectionist), and we have carried on that tradition at our theater, but others in our chain use the “B” word. If, heaven forbid, we have a wrap, it’s called a CENTER-FEED WRAP.

Also, our concessions stand sells POP, not SODA, though I sometimes use another more vulgar term for it.

Chris


 


Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 05-27-2000, 03:16 PM:
 
My favorites, normally spoken by unknowing electricians on an install are:

"Wow that is a pretty big tape in that camera" "Is that the sheet down there?"

I have used the term lace, thread and load depending on mood and sentence. As in, time to lace-up or load the projector or gotta go thread.

The first term I had for the payout device in a platter was "center-feed" and it has pretty much stuck and is popular in these parts. The other term used is "core" as in "core-wrap" Personally, I don't like the term "brains" for the device because it isn't really accurate but it is the most common I have heard on a nationwide basis. Platters don't have brains but operators/projectionists should.

Now that summer is upon us...here is a term that seems to have some varients as well...the process of running one film in two or more screens (platter operation)...

It was most commonly called Tandem in the DC area back when a twin was considered a multi-plex. Some like to call it "interlock" but that often referrs to running unmarried or "two-strip" prints. It also implies that the two machines have some form or mechanical or electrical connection so they are interlocked together (like a dubber with selsen or bi-phase encoder). The last term I have heard is "Sync".

I'm sure you all have heard others.

Steve

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Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 05-27-2000, 04:23 PM:
 
In canada we call interlock operation YoYo a print since most of the acumultors ride up and down like a yo yo
 
Posted by Scott D. Neff (Member # 185) on 05-28-2000, 05:59 AM:
 
That reminds me of a few more Christopher.

Out here in California - apparently what you call a ROLL-OFF print... we call a CICUITED print. And we're big fans of TAILING OUT as well. Although I'll usually just tell anybody who asks that the "SHOW IS OVER AT"

I've lately been driven nuts by the previous theatre manager's legacy of "LIFTING" movies from platter to platter. The rest of my projection staff "LIFTS" while I "SCOOP" or "MOVE" the print. Oddly enough they use "LIFTERS" to "LIFT" that print, while I use "CLAMPS"

Am I the only one compulsive enough to ACTUALLY be annoyed by these differences???
 


Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 05-28-2000, 12:03 PM:
 
or instead of circuiting a print, there was the term 'bicycling' the print, back from when theatres would actually have a bicycle messenger move the reels from venue to venue, sometimes swapping reels as two theatres are playing the same film simultaneously!!

when a film reaches its end, it is 'tailing out'

when a film has already tailed out and is inbetween shows but not threaded, it is 'dead'

I 'clamp and move' a print

I 'circuit' a print, sometimes on 'sixes', as the chain management won't allow circuiting a print 'on the ring' anymore

The trailers on a print are a 'trailer pack'

I 'build' and 'break' prints

I do cueing and trailer pack work 'on the [rewind] bench' rather than at the 'make-up table'

The units on the rewind bench are 'rewinds', the Goldberg device that looks like a camera magazine is a 'rewinder'

I 'thread' a projector or platter, and during my early years with platters, called the thing in the center the 'centerpiece' (christie's official name for it) but now always call it the 'brain' (less syllables than 'centerpiece' i figure)

The take-up controller on Norelco and Christie platters is a 'swing arm' and on Potts, Strong, and CFS platters, its a 'Dancer'...

i could go on.......

Aaron

 


Posted by Richard C. Wolfe (Member # 431) on 05-28-2000, 11:23 PM:
 
Here in eastern Pa. I was taught to lace a film...that was back in the middle sixties, and that was from projectionists that had been around since the twenties. I however, do not use that term...I thread the machines. In my booth, we have both a rewind table with a rewinder, and a makeup table as well. the rewind table is seldom used...only when the makeup table doesn't work. We "make up" shows, and "teardown" at the end of the run.

People often ask me if they can see the cameras, and I tell them we have none...and they say "Oh my god, how do you show the movie then"? And I say...Do you show a picture with your camera?...we use projectors!

We run reel to reel on 6000' reels with automated changeovers, therefore the only brain in our booth is mine (and that breaks down sometimes as well). Back when I had my apprenticeship...we ran the film on the picture sheet, but today it's on the screen. We would "warm" the procenium curtain with the built in floods on the balcony front. Those floods were referred to as curtain warmers. Also if the show concisted of all parts of the program...cartoon, newsreel, travelogue, short, trailer(s) and the Feature it was a Deluxe show, while some late afternoon shows skiped some of those elements and they were therefore Non-Deluxe shows. Or if there was a stage show with the film...that was a Deluxe show, while those without the live acts were Non-deluxe. Today we still use that term to designate the difference between weekday shows when only 2/3 of the houselights are used, and weekend and holiday shows when all stage and houselights are used. Every fixture is lit for every show, but on non-deluxe shows...only 2/3 of the circuits are turned on in most of the fixtures.

Thinking about all this is really starting to make me feel old!

 


Posted by Bill Purdy (Member # 202) on 05-29-2000, 11:00 AM:
 
The discussion above on moving prints puts me in mind of a fine old-line projectionist, one Kenny Dowling, who has become a Seattle legend amongst the old timers. When platters came into the twin at which he was working he bid out of there because he was bored. He went to a 7-plex which was really a 6-plex grated onto an old large single. It was great fun to visit him during the last show on Thursday nights when he was doing all of this print moving---at 24 frames per second. The ceiling of the booth was a forest of rollers and as he had all Christie platters he would just come out of the projector to the ceiling rollers and down the booth to tomorrow's platter for take-up. It was a great show.

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Bill Purdy
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