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Posted by Randy Loy (Member # 112) on 05-19-2000, 03:32 PM:
 
Several months ago I got involved with a project which will eventually result in films being shown in an outdoor setting. It is not really a film festival per se, but free screenings of films in a parking lot as a means of drawing people back downtown from the 'burbs at least one night a week. The downtown section of this particular small city pretty much rolls up the sidewalks at night and project organizers are hoping that by offering people something do do downtown they can spur legitimate activity in the area and hopefully discourage illegal activity such as drug dealing.

The organizers located some used 35mm projection equipment (Simplex XL's, RCA soundheads, 4000 watt Xenex lamphouses with rectifyers and Crown amps). Since they have no experience in projection or exhibition, my first task was to go with the organizers to look at the equipment and explain what they were buying and what might be missing from having a full booth set-up. Once that was done and the equipment was purchased, I have been working with a very experienced projectionist and a sound technician to assemble and troubleshoot the equipment to make sure everything is working up to par.

Now that I've given you all the background on the project, here's the question:

The organizers have purchased a truck with an enclosed back end and plan to use it as a mobile projection booth. I have not seen the truck yet but I believe it is similar to a Ryder truck. They want to permanently install the projection/sound equipment in the
truck so that they can drive it back and forth to the temporary film venue each week.

How should we anchor the pedestals and sound rack in order to prevent damage to equipment during transportation? We will be using two projectors and doing 2,000 foot changeovers. Each projector will be mounted on a standard booth pedestal. Can we just bolt the pedestals down? If we do so, will vibrations from potholes and such damage the projectors and soundheads? The same question goes for the amplifyer. The sound rack we are installing will contain one Crown solid state amp for mono sound through two Altec A7's which will be placed under the screen when a film is presented. Should the amp be somehow padded? What about the xenon bulb? I'm guessing that the bulbs should not be left in the lamps when the truck is driven.

I know that a number of you have been involved with film festivals and similar venues where projection and sound gear is set up temporarily. Based upon your experience, what do you think we should do?
 


Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 05-19-2000, 03:44 PM:
 
Bolt it down just remove the sound head flywheels and the xenon lamps before moving
 
Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 05-19-2000, 04:38 PM:
 
Make sure you keep the "mobile projection booth" warm and dry. Check the roof for leaks. Projection equipment RUSTS very easily.
If you have a shelf with your projector oil stored, have some means to keep the oil containers from falling over and spilling oil all over the place. Your local fire dept. may require a fire extinguisher in the booth, too.
Companies that make carnival ride electrical systems are a good source for high amperage quick connect/disconnect types of connectors. So you could pull up to your intended projection location, unbolt equipment, and plug in your power!


 


Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 05-19-2000, 04:52 PM:
 
The mobile booth for the Telluride Film Festival is moved each year. The projectors are bolted down for transport and the fywheels are removed. The amps and processor are removed each year.

Once the trailer is in place and leveled, the projectors are unbolted and the flywheels installed. You will need to unbolt the projectors to center them up on the screen. There are some bases that can handle this adjustment, but the course adjustment seems to work best just by shoving them around.
 


Posted by Randy Loy (Member # 112) on 05-19-2000, 05:12 PM:
 
Ken, good point about the problem of rust. When we were putting the machines together I had to clean some slight rust off of the film gate and related stuff. Even though the equipment had been stored in an enclosed warehouse. My guess is that even though the place had a good roof, it was probably unheated. We don't want to make that same mistake with our mobile booth!
 
Posted by Daryl Lund (Member # 356) on 05-19-2000, 06:31 PM:
 
what about a fm transmitter peolple could use there car radios or there walkmans. What town is this in it sounds like a great idea.
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 05-19-2000, 07:01 PM:
 
Randy, Regarding the rust issue. It depends what part of the country you are in. If your area is humid(like where I used to live) then Personally I would assemble all the equipment with quick disconnects so that it can be removed and properly stored. If you live in a dry area like I do then bolting it all down is the answer. Removing the bulb and flywheel are very important things to do. When you remove the flywheel(rotary stabilizer) be careful that the sound drum and shaft does not slide laterally into the Dolby cell if your's are so equipped. If this happens it will break it and you most likely will not have any sound reproduction at all. Also, the most important thing outdoors is to have an adaquate ground to tie to. If you are going to use portable power this is an absolute must. A proper ground rod and properly grounded equipment could save your life or someone elses!
BTW: Where are you?


 


Posted by Randy Loy (Member # 112) on 05-19-2000, 07:23 PM:
 
You guys are dishing up some great advice! Thanks!

The outdoor film shows will be in Hagerstown, Maryland. The plans right now are to put up some sort of screen in a parking lot not too far from city hall.
 


Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 05-19-2000, 09:09 PM:
 
Sounds cool Randy,
Check out the pictures on the Film-Tech picture page of "Cinema Borealis". I was the tech/operator on that outdoor showing. We all had a blast doing it. Definately a 10 on the FUN-O-METER!!
Have Fun,
Mark
 
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 05-20-2000, 07:19 AM:
 
Randy - this sounds like fun. Please send pics to Brad when everything's all set up!

Oh, and check your local codes to make sure that the booth-in-a-trailer idea is legal. It probably wouldn't be here in Massachusetts, unless you were running 16mm.
 
Posted by Randy Loy (Member # 112) on 05-20-2000, 04:43 PM:
 
I'll definately take pictures and submit them to Brad to be posted. I already have photos of the equipment lying on the floor of the warehouse (in pieces) and assembled in the garage where we are currently working on them.

As far as whether our mobile booth will be code compliant, I'll check into that. I think we're okay since the city is supporting us and is well aware of everything we are doing. I will make a point to check on the code issue, however.
 


Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 05-20-2000, 05:16 PM:
 
randy,
If you put quick disconnects on at least the power connections for everything it will legally be considered a portable booth and does not come under standard booth code regulations.
Mark
 
Posted by Russ Kress (Member # 461) on 05-21-2000, 07:08 PM:
 
Use those cool twist-lock connectors that welders use. We use them on all of our xenon power supplies. Heck, in the event of a light failure it is quicker to change the power supply than the lamp!

Live concerts and stage shows also use them for mains power. The house electrician simply ties pigtails equipped with the connectors to the buses and he's done. The techs can connect to them at will.

I'd build the truck just like any other projection booth (except for extra mounting bolts and a padded container for lamps and flywheels). You might want to consider removing the platters from the tree during transport. I would imagine a good pot hole could send them flying.

Just remember that everything that we rely on gravity for will need to be bolted down!

Put a nice 200 amp, three phase distro-panel on the wall and throw the pigtails out the back when you arrive.

Everyone will jump on me for this one, but keep a couple of magna-coms handy for when the local police officer says that your truck is too close to a fire hydrant (after you have set up)!

This sounds like a really neat project. I'm sitting here designing a truck! (LOL) I actually starting this post about an hour ago!

Keep us posted on the progress.

Russ
 


Posted by Randy Loy (Member # 112) on 05-22-2000, 03:23 PM:
 
Russ, the twist-lock connecters is another good idea. I'll definately pass that on to our electrician.

Hmmmm...I see by your profile that Charleston now has a stadium seating theatre. I used to live in Cross Lanes (1984-1987) and used to go to the movies in downtown Charleston, Kanawha City, and at the Valley Drive-In at St. Albans (may it rest in peace). Which part of town is your theatre located in?


 


Posted by Russ Kress (Member # 461) on 05-22-2000, 05:02 PM:
 
Charleston has TWO stadium theatres. Mine is the Park Place which is downtown. You wouldn't recognize the place if you came back. We added four screens and dug out the original seven to accomodate stadium seating.
http://www.ourshowtimes.com

Take the "digital tour". The auditorium pictured is theatre one (formerly known as theatre "A").

You will need "pig-tails" for both ends of your AC connection, as well as the bolt on connectors for the bus bars at the source.

Russ

 


Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 05-22-2000, 05:12 PM:
 
Russ, Pig tails may not meet code(OSHA or local). Even some local codes have outlawed clamp ons and pigtails. For instance,these cannot be used here in SLC. You have to have everything equipped with Cam-Lock connectors. These are similar to the Tweeco Connectors that welders use but are a lot better insulated and come in different sizes to accomodate different gauge feeder cable. They are also color coded.
Mark
 
Posted by Russ Kress (Member # 461) on 05-22-2000, 05:39 PM:
 
They are legal here so long as they (the tails) are connected to the source by the house electrician and have color code tape around the end of each tail for phase identification.

All of our booths passed the electrical final inspection using them on the xenon supplies.

I love taking inspectors through a theatre! It's supposed to be a formal ritual, but it always ends up more like a tour!

Inspectors were kids once too! They all wondered what was in the room where the picture came from!

So long as you use lots of "seal-tight" and have proper grounding, they are happy.

As far as I know, the traveling concert and stage play people are not having to use different power distro techniques in different areas. So long as the current ratings on the connectors are not exceeded, he should be fine.

This just came to me: Should he have some sort of cover for the port glass? I'm thinking that it could be chipped by road debris, rocks and alike while in transport.

Russ


 


Posted by Randy Loy (Member # 112) on 05-22-2000, 06:24 PM:
 
Russ, I expect that we will have some type of cover for the port glass, both to protect the glass from flying debris and to better secure the booth when the truck is stored somewhere between presentations.

Speaking of security issues, we initially discussed whether we should have a large glass window for a port or the standard high and low ports like in a fixed booth. Although it might have been interesting to the public to see the equipment in operation, my recommendation to the group was to go with the smaller standard type ports in order to make it difficult for someone to simply break the window and climb in when the truck is parked and unattended.

Another thing we will need to consider is winterizing during the off-season since we will pretty much operate only during the warmer months. We'll have to use some of the tricks that drive-in operators use when closed for the winter. Things like removing the bulbs from the lamphouses, keeping the insides of the lamphouses warm and dry, etc.

 


Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 05-22-2000, 06:32 PM:
 
In some locations camlocks are illegal as it is possible to break the ground before the hot leads
So the moral of the story check with each and every inspector and let them fight it out first
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 05-22-2000, 06:57 PM:
 
Gord,
If you can't use Tweecos or Camlocks what the heck do you use on double ought cable?
Mark
 
Posted by John Eickhof (Member # 323) on 05-25-2000, 12:36 AM:
 
I would recommend the use of old style metal 12 x 12 inch ports, thus you would have metal
sliding covers that can be locked down for theft protection, also, use of glass on an outdoor situation unless it is the very expensive coated optical variety, will cut down on the picture quality and light on the screen. You could use drive-in port blower units to keep the bugs out of the booth and glass in the viewing ports...Just a thought...
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 05-26-2000, 01:43 PM:
 
Mark
We have had to but a metal box with Bussbars and lugs in some locations for all location work. Especially in one area in NewYork state
In the US I have found the local inspector has far more interperative powers and more local codes than we have in canada
 
Posted by Russ Kress (Member # 461) on 05-27-2000, 01:45 AM:
 
A correction...

The proper name for the connectors that I described earlier is "Cam-Lock".

"Twist-Lock" is just a West Virginia term!

The connections at the bus are made by a rather large, bolt-on, allen screw. I would imagine that this would not be kosher in a permanent installation, but rock and roll does it every day.

It is a temporary connection, which when made by a qualified electrician, is safe. They "twist-connect" the ground as well.

No one is allowed to access power until the connecting electrician says he's done.

Another example (I have no clue about this) would be travelling carnivals. How do they provide AC distro? They have huge rides that are temporarily connected to AC mains.

They might offer ideas as well.

Again, I like this topic!

Russ



 


Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 05-27-2000, 05:28 AM:
 
Hi Russ,
We do alot of lighting rentals too but I don't go on too many of those although I have known that our guys also pigtail stuff in sometimes. That seems kinda dangerous to me. I have almost always used cam-locks on location projection jobs though. I always tape the cam-locks together after hookup so they can't come apart. Only god can undo the gaffers tape we sell and also use!
Mark
 
Posted by Oscar Neundorfer (Member # 458) on 05-27-2000, 05:42 AM:
 
Russ,

Most of the traveling carnivals I have seen have their own diesel powered generating systems for the rides and other things. They are pretty much self contained and self sufficient.

I don't know if this type of thing would be an option for the traveling booth. Noise is of course one problem related to this solution, so it may not be viable.

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Oscar Neundorfer
Chief Engineer
SMART Devices, Inc.

oscar@smartdev.com
 


Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 05-27-2000, 09:13 AM:
 
>>go with the smaller standard type ports<<

This is always a good proposition.

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Better Projection Pays!
 


Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 05-27-2000, 09:43 AM:
 
Oscar,
When I do a movie in the park type of thing I always rent a movie type blimped crystal refrence generator. You have to about be on top of the things to hear em.
Mark
 
Posted by Randy Loy (Member # 112) on 05-27-2000, 10:41 AM:
 
As far as the power for our outdoor film presentations goes, the city has agreed to run a line for three-phase to the parking lot where we will set up our mobile booth. We will simply drive-in, park, and have an electrician hook us up. Pretty simple (I hope).
 




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