Joseph J. Pandolfi
PANDY2@AOL.COM
BTW, for more on drive-ins, check out the new book by Don and Susan Sanders, called "Drive-In Movie Memories". Tons of great old pictures and stories. It's in bookstores now. An' AH hepped! (I'm in it).
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Thank you for reminding us of the wonderful nostalgic world of the Drive-In movie theatre, including the cartoons, double feature, countdown clock, steamy car windows, etc. It brought back fond memories of my years as projectionist (1967-1970) at the Grandview Drive-In in Angola, New York. Fortunately, the Grandview is still in operation too.
Drive-In theatres have an especially hard time surviving in the northern USA. The shortened season and value of the suburban land have killed many of them. In western New York state a handful survive, including some wonderful ones in Perry NY (the Silver Lake DI), and near Lockport NY (e.g., http://www.transitdrivein.com ). Near Rochester, a new one in Avon NY just opened a few years ago.
A web site that lists surviving drive-ins and provides links to them is: http://www.driveinmovie.com
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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Every kind of cross-referenced, open/closed locations and research data you can imagine is on this massive site (as well as pictures of many of the theatres).
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Try to get some good shots of the carbon arc lamphouses and tube amplifiers.
This is one lamp I never got to see, but always wanted to. Do you remember any peculiarities about them? (And you wouldn't happen to have a manual, would you?)
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Intermission consisted of a 5 minute break followed by a preview reel (if we had any guaranteed bookings) then the 10 minute intermission clock (late 60's generic snack bar ads followed by a bunch of postcard scenery of American mountains, forests, beaches, deserts, etc with a 'Magnificent Seven'-like score with a break every 2 minutes reminding how long till the next feature until it got to 10 seconds when it would count down then c/o into reel one of the second feature)
I would bring food from home and keep it warm by placing it ( wrapped in foil) inside the very hot Altec transmitting-tube amp rack, which drove a field full of speakers (no radio sound until it went porno in late '83)
I miss changeovers at a drive-in
Why isnt projection *this* much fun any more?
WAAAH! I want my drive-in back!!! <sniffle> <sob>
Aaron
If any of you guys have not been to a drive-in, find one nearest you at www.driveintheater.com or at www.drive-on-in.com and get there this summer. You won't regret it. It's a great experience.
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"I heard a voice behind me say...'Reach for it, Mister'... I spun around...found myself face to face...with a six year old kid! Well I just threw my guns down, walked away... LITTLE BASTARD SHOT ME IN THE ASS!"
Gene Wilder - Blazing Saddles
I agree with Tim on Don and Susan Sanders new book "Drive-in Movie Memories" its fabulous, even the parts not contributed by Tim and myself!
There are several photos of Australian drive-ins and a few of the Metro in Rome Italy, it was truely a world-wide phenonmena.
The Coburg triple drive-in here in Melbourne not only runs the Filmack dancing hot dog clock, but also the "speaker theft" and "speaker remove from window" cartoons every night. The highlight is before intermission on all screens runs the Village drive-in snack bar ad shot in the mid 1970's - and it looks every bit like it too, the hair, the cars and the food!
If you want to see more about Australian drive-ins see www.drive-insdownunder.com.au
I also highly recommend the other links listed above.
What's next for your great site Tim?
Here's the short list:
A thunder storm once blew a panel out of the screen. Manager called the main office and they said keep the show on the screen, rain checks only if asked for. No stopping for rain. That's what they also said for most problems!
Cars pulling away with out taking the speakers off their windows! Usually pulled over the post and shorted out the sound on the whole ramp. Occassionally would fry an amplifier.
Water all over the booth floor because the drains for the water cooled gates and jaws pluged up with tree roots. No circulators.
Main water tank in the concession springs a leak. Water comes from a well. They can't shut the pump off because the projectors are water cooled from the same supply.
Motor-generator brushes go bad during a show and send showers of sparks all over the generator room. The spare generator hadn't been repaired yet. Head office said keep the show on the screen till the lamps go out!
Fog! That's when the light doesn't even reach the screen. But what a light show in the mist! They'ed give "rain" checks for this one.
A fire in the consession pizza oven during the show. Fire department and all! More entertaining than what was on the screen!
One manager had a permit to carry a side-arm and would actually ware it! It can get real creepy around 2 AM.
And my favorite, water pouring out of the lamp house because the water cooled jaws wore through in the middle of a reel. They wouldn't allow a set of spare jaws in the booth. They were a silver alloy and were afraid they would be stollen. At least that's what I was told.
Standing orders were "we'll fix it later, keep a picture on the screen and don't give out refunds, rain checks only as a last resort"
Ahhh, memories!
It apparently didn't occur to this other guy to marry the 'speaker pole being torn out' with the 'hey, it's gone a bit quiet' scenarios and come and complain.
Yep, memories...
David, is that 70's DI film the one with the 'MMmmmmmmmm Banana fritters with whipped cream?' with the monaro driving up at the start? Do you have the end tag as well which says 'before you go...' etc.?
Are these reprints? Can I get one? Huh? Huh?
(Mine are a bit faded, although this adds to the feel, I think)
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"I heard a voice behind me say...'Reach for it, Mister'... I spun around...found myself face to face...with a six year old kid! Well I just threw my guns down, walked away... LITTLE BASTARD SHOT ME IN THE ASS!"
Gene Wilder - Blazing Saddles
Monaro? Banana fritters and cream? That is one we don't have but I would love to see it!
The two versions that we have are what we know as the "Chompy ads", as the first version (early 1970's) had a song and theme that went "chomp, chomp, munch munch etc".
I also remember the colour version of a drive-in ad with Holdens from the late 1950's.
I have a reel I use for training that is full of all those old drive-in ads, Australian and Filmack.....wouldn't let it out of my sight though! When next in Sydney I'll let you know. Do GU run any similar stuff at Blacktown or Bass Hill drive-ins?
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Well, (thanks for remembering, btw) I plan on using it as advertising for my drive-in (and intermission) video series. Alas, I must upgrade my computer first, in order to finish the videos... which means extra $$$ I don't have at present. As soon as that happens, though, I will go forth in a big way.
Yes, the new drive-in book's very good. Incidentally, I sent Don Sanders about 70 photographs for that book, and he only used 2. How about you? He did use 4 of the 7 stories I sent him (two of which were credited to the people they were about).
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By the way their website is www.wellfleetdrivein.com
Last night the projectors were fired up for testing using the original Enarc lamps after having been used only once in 1999. Everything worked fine and the projectors were very quiet, but both had noticable ghosting on the screen that adjustments should cure. The flat and scope lens are still the originals and were stored in the booth year round protected only by a coke cup!
Jim Boyd of Van Wert, Ohio provided the booth expertise for the testing and will be doing the upgrades. He had never been in this booth before but it was obvious by watching that he knew the equipment and felt like he had been there for years.
Thanks for telling us about the book! I gotta get it!!! P.S. I was at the Sky-Vue a couple weeks ago. Screen had work on it recently. Looks great! Opened week before Memorial Day Weekend.
Ken,
I know a Single Screen D.I. that uses a Super-Lumex w/2,000w bulb on a pretty big screen. If you're on the sides,it's a little dim. From front and center,it'll do.
--Chris
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The speakers are going to be kept and used (all 320 of them) and they all worked last year during a benefit fund raiser held over labor day week-end (sold out one night and abot 50% the second despite the tail end of a hurricane blowing thru town). I don't know the rationale for the 3kw lamp. It may have been a donated one. The drive-in will be run by a local non-profit organization formed last year and lease/purchase negotiations were just recently completed, so funds for operations and capital improvements are just now becoming available. I expect the 3kw is a temporary thing to get thru this year. There was a strong desire from the operations staff to switch to xenon/platter because this is a small rural community and expertise to run change-overs in a 51 year old booth is not available. They may even have trouble finding a regular to simply thread (correctly)and push a few buttons. Finding someone to make up the prints is a different problem as well.
I would hope that the 3kw is temporary. For driveins you really should have a 4kw.
I am glad just to see that the theatre is going to be opened and operating! Why doesn't the new owners go with 6000 foot large reels (2 machines). Are they going to operate 7 days a week? If the film is only shown 3 times or less then they should stay with reels. Nowadays you could get a set of large reel arms fairly cheap and run 6000 footers with just one changeover (usually) per feature. If they were to operate 7 days a week, then it would be ok for a platter.
On that Potts platter they're getting, is it an older one or new? If old, does it have any updates like drop-in control plates, or updated motor mounts/toggle handles, or if it has brake cable style variac or the slide rod variac?
There's a damaged spot right in the center of the screen that has to be repaired before opening, and sections of the screen aged differently since the original screen was for flat prints and scope wings were added later. In daylight the difference between the original portion and the add-on is very visible, (looks like some type of plywood or fibreboard backing in 4x8 sheets) but at night it only shows up on lighter background images. Not sure yet how much screen repairs will be done this year.
My personal preference would be to keep a change-over operation (and possibly adding a platter for occasional use with either projector) and upgrade the lamps to 4kw but I'm not on the decision-making committee (only the volunteer free-labor committee). My way of thinking is that it might be easier to teach someone to properly clean, thread and operate a change-over than to teach someone how to build-up and makedown prints every weekend since initially, the drive-in will only operate on Friday thru Sunday except for any special private showing during the week. Unfortunately there is not enough room in the booth to add a platter and still keep both projectors. The only way that could happen is to remove the existing mens restroom and expand the booth to take over that space (a possibility since the existing restroom is too small anyway. And the operations committee seems to be set in their opinion that it will take someone less specialized to operate the platter system than a change-over system. I'm not so sure. I think it might take more film handling expertise to do make-ups than to operate a change-over). Also, they seem intent on having the operator also help out where-ever he is needed (snackbar) grounds security, etc).
The second projector will be removed and preserved for possible re-use later and for spare parts to keep the primary one operational. The only maintenance techs currently available have to travel several hours from somewhere in North Carolina (Cinex?? possibly).
One of my concerns that nobody seemed to address yet is for a large cooling fan that blows into the booth from the front side (where all the local bugs hang out). It currently has no filter on it and only a medium mesh screen, and it is perfectly centered where the platter will go. Hope they have made some other ventilation plans...
Please get them to stick with reels--large reels! They can still have someone from the booth work the snack bar and there would only be ONE changeover. You can also get longer carbons that will burn a one hour trim.
I trained a theater OWNER who had just taken over a closed theater and he didn't know anything about carbon arcs or changeovers. In about 20 minutes and some practicing, he was doing changeovers like a pro!
"Only a 3kw lamphouse for a drive-in? Must be a tiny screen."
From the pictures I took (about 60), if the screen backing is 4x8 sheets the screen would be about 36x82, and the throw was estimated to be about 200 feet, maybe a little more but it wasn't measured. I'm not sure about this but I understand there is a length setting on the scope lens that was initialy set for 200 feet when it was installed for testing.
The reflected light from the center of the screen using the original carbon-arc with minimal adjustments measured from the booth window was about 1.2 lamberts (if that's the correct term), and it dropped off to .8 or .9 at the edges. The light from the other projector (also still carbon-arc and minimal adjustments) measured close to 2.2 lamberts with very little drop-off at the edges, and this lamp had damage to the reflector. The image produced by both projectors had a soft focus.
Both of the flat lens had the glue that holds the elements failing and both were dirty and scratched. The provider of the lamphouse and platter will also provide a better quality lens than the ones currently there.We're told the combination of replacement 3kw xenon and better lens will provide noticably more light.
Pictures to follow as soon as I pick out a few to upload to Brad.
In general, use as much power as you can get. I recall burning 11 mm rotating carbons at 120 amperes and 65 volts, or about 7800 watts, to light a 100 x 42 foot screen. A "cold mirror" and water-cooled jaws and gate were mandatory.
I remember the effect of rain or moisture on the screen was like a "gain" surface. If the moisture was coated evenly, the luminance was brighter than on a dry screen. Usually, the rain caused uneven streaks, however.
Projecting on a foggy night was an experience! Likewise thunderstorms! Rats were a constant problem on the lot (discarded food), and occasionally in the booth.
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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Unfortunately they didn't post the picture too 
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Colin Wiseley
Lyric Theatre
Blacksburg, VA
www.thelyric.com
I'll have more pics for Brad to post as soon as I can pick out a few and send 'em, and hopefully some from their grand re-opening night which is still projected to be 30 Jun.
http://members.xoom.com/RKofVA/driveins/frames.htm
Sorry so long for a reply! As far as I could tell,it's fixed. The surface looks almost brand new! The back screen is in good shape too.
--Chris
COOL! Did they retain the white house shingles or completely resurface with something else?
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--Chris
It has been 1926 days since the last post.