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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-08-2000, 04:09 PM:
 

I just got this info from reliable sources. Are thre any Carmike employes out there that can elaborate on this?
Mark
 
Posted by Marc Jones (Member # 29) on 08-08-2000, 04:52 PM:
 
I found this on the internet. http://yahoo.marketguide.com/mgi/frameset.asp?rt=news&rn=15310

 
Posted by Andrew Poulain (Member # 457) on 08-08-2000, 04:55 PM:
 
This is quoted from Reuters newswire:

Carmike Cinemas Inc. (CKE), the No. 3 U.S. movie theater operator, said Tuesday it filed to reorganize its businesses under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy code.

"We determined that Chapter 11 provides the most expeditious means to achieve a successful financial and operational restructuring of our business," chief executive Michael Patrick said in a statement. "Our focus is on preserving our assets and improving our operational strength during the difficult period for our industry."

Earlier this month, Columbus, GA.,-based Carmike, which operates 2821 movie screens in 447 theatres, said its lenders prevented it from making a payment under its 9.375 percent senior subordinated notes maturing in Febuary 2009 because it had technically defaulted under two credit lines and a master lease facility.

Carmike's shares were up 1/8 at 2-1/16 in early afternoon trading on the New York Stock Exchange. the stock has traded between 1-5/16 and 14 in the last year.
 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-08-2000, 05:49 PM:
 
My wife and I, on a rare "night off," went to the Carmike in Billings and saw Space Cowboys. The theatre is just over a year old. Already their moving-message showtimes board is on the blink; some of the neon outside wasn't working; there were giant stains all over the carpet; the lobby floor was sticky; they only had TWO people working their 8-station concession stand; their outer entry door closers were all out of adjustment, so whenever a customer came in the doors would BANG shut. Several of the chairs in the auditorium we visited were broken. The movie: The scope lens was "just slightly" turned, so the picture was skewed a little; the "company logo" film did not appear (but three or four commercials did). At least the film itself was in good shape, and the DTS sound was fine.

If this is how they run their best theatre in Montana, then my reaction to this Chapter 11 thing is: Hee hee hee!


 


Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 08-08-2000, 08:38 PM:
 
The two Carmike theatres in my location are almost opposites of each other when it comes to maintenance and projection quality. The Huntsville location, the Carmike 10, had been well maintained, for the most part, and still looks new and in good condition. Presentation quality is very good there.

However, the Carmike 8 in Decatur, 20 or 25 miles away, is like "the dark side of the force". During the past few years, that location has let its projection quality slip to abysmal levels. The cosmetic condition of the facility leaves a lot to be desired and the last time I was in there, I felt as if my shoes were going to irretrievably lost, permanently stuck to the floor (exaggerating a slight bit). The place was built in 1982 by Fairlane/Litchfield, taken over by United Artists in 1987, and by Carmike in 1990. I have been complaining about the ridiculously sloppy presentation there and in April, a new manager was put there and he has improved the projection considerably, but he can only do so much. Theatres like this one really give Carmike a bad name. I have been told by a Carmike manager that the Carmike locations in Cullman and Florence were just as bad or worse than the Decatur one. Ugh.

If Carmike lets all their smaller, older theatres run down like this, they deserve to go bankrupt. I've been tempted to go check out some of the older Carmikes in Nashville to see what they're like, but I haven't.

The question is, how is the filing of chapter 11 going to affect their operations? I wonder if they'll close any theatres. I wish they'd either build a new theatre in Decatur (like Huntsville's Carmike 10) and close that dump they have there, and if they can't do that, I feel that handing movie exhibition over to someone who cares more else would be the most appropriate thing to do.


 


Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 08-08-2000, 10:53 PM:
 
This wasn't unexpected. I saw it coming. Even scarier though, the same thing could happen to Regal here pretty soon. They have an interest payment coming up in September that they may be blocked from making for not meeting certain convenances like Carmike. They also lost 29 million dollars last quarter. Ironicly enough, that announcement came the same day Carmike filed Chapter 11.
 
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 08-09-2000, 07:31 AM:
 
The only Carmike cinemas with which I am familiar are the 4-plex and the 7-plex in Williamsburg, VA. Both are pretty dumpy and have such abominations as DTS played in mono with split surround (!) through old Kintek processors and amps. We got a print from the 4-plex once which was covered with popcorn grease. The 7-plex actually has the projector automation control box located behind the concession stand.

I'm told that the 7-plex now has one good projectionist, whom I trained at a different theatre. But that doesn't solve the problems with tiny shoebox auditoria and bad sound.
 
Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 08-09-2000, 07:33 AM:
 
Of the major chains, are ANY of them profitable right now? Seems like all I hear is doom and gloom.

Mark L.

 


Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-09-2000, 08:05 AM:
 
The reports are that AMC and Cinemark will also go this route in the next week or so.....
Mark
 
Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 08-09-2000, 08:53 AM:
 
Do you think that if the major chains all get into financial trouble, that things may return to the days of having smaller, more localized theatre companies, or do you think there will be eventually one main company that runs nearly all the theatres in the country?

I've done quite a bit of research on the old theatres in my area back to the 1920s and it was often the case that a theatre was owned by one person, or sometimes a small number of theatres would be owned by one person. Back before all of the major chains moved in, there were companies like Rosenbaum Theatres, Crescent Amusement Company and United Amusements that owned several theatres (all single-screen indoor or drive-in originally, with some twinning in the middle and late 1970s) in the area.

Any predictions for the future regarding theatre companies?

To me, it seems that the first logical step would be for the chains to close their least profitable locations, along with locations that need expensive maintenance to keep the building in proper condition. Locations such as these detract from the entire image of a company, since many people judge a company by how the company's local facilities appear and function. If I judged the entire Carmike chain by the Carmike Century Cinema 8 in Decatur, AL, I wouldn't bother to set foot in any Carmike theatre. If I judged them by the Carmike 10 in Huntsville, I'd seek out a Carmike theatre anywhere I went. It would be advantageous for Carmike to rid itself of their many "warts" such as the Decatur location that hurt the image of the whole company, and would save them a lot of money on maintenance that will eventually be needed. I suspect that if something else happens there, such as the climate control system failing and needing an expensive repair, that place may close. One manager told me that the next time the lease was up, they might just let it go. Another manager told me they had no plans to close the location. It shows that information from staff or managers is not very reliable.

I really would hate for one chain to end up owning and operating all of the theatres in the country. It would be almost as bad as every restaurant being a McDonalds. I like a variety of architectures, decorations, layouts, and styles of operation in different theatres. That is what makes individual theatres interesting.

Evans

Theatre Information Page: http://home.hiwaay.net/~criswell/theatre/


 


Posted by Dave Cutler (Member # 515) on 08-09-2000, 11:28 AM:
 
AFAIK, All of the major players are in trouble. There is a short post in the ground level about AMC which I posted on. Basically the Kansas City Star reported that AMC has a 25% chance of defaulting on its dept. Then of course there is always UA, hanging on the edge but not giving in.

I agree that all the majors need to "trim the fat" from the industry. They also need to STOP BUILDING. The US is terribly over saturated with theatres as it is. They need to slow it down, make some money and then move forward.

Maybe filling Chapter 11 is the answer. Dickinson Theatres Inc here in the midwest filled chapter 11 a couple of years ago, restructured their home office, stopped building, shut down crappy theatres, and now they are doing better than ever and building state of the art 12+ plex's while turning a profit.


 


Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 08-09-2000, 11:41 AM:
 
The story is now on Daily Variety's site: www.variety.com

 
Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 08-09-2000, 12:54 PM:
 
Both Regal and Carmike, instead of building so many new theatres, making their financial problem worse in the long run, should have been maintaining and improving the theatres they already had. Instead of building a new 16 screen theatre near Birmingham, Regal should have put adjustable masking on the 2/3 of the screens that lack it in the theatres they bought from Cobb in 1997 and implemented quality checking and control procedures to keep their quality of presentation as high as possible. Carmike, instead of building so many theatres in Nashville, should have made sure they could maintain the projection equipment and buildings they already had.

In general, I'd say that when a company expands to the point that they cannot effectively maintain their facilities because of complexity issues, or financial reasons, their fall will be coming soon.

It sound like the next few months will be interesting to observe in terms of theatre companies and their restructuring and reorganizing efforts.

Evans



 


Posted by Charles Lubner (Member # 157) on 08-09-2000, 01:02 PM:
 
The NYSE has just reported that it has halted trading of Carmike stock (CKE) and may permanently delete the stock from the trading board.

Also, DPF Architects has recently sued Carmike for breaking some type of contract. I assume DPF designs Carmike's theatres and Carmike hasn't paid them.

Dustin...I will keep you informed if I hear anything, but so far no rumors have been started. I'll be happy to put a good word in for you in LaCrosse if you like.
 


Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-09-2000, 01:02 PM:
 
So besides overbuilding, which is the obvious answer, what is everybody's favorite theory on why exhibition is doing so poorly? I think they are doing so badly because they have to pay projectionists! If only they didn't have to pay us, things would be a million times better! Oh yeah, and overtime! Overtime will cause a company to collapse almost instantly!


 


Posted by Dave Cutler (Member # 515) on 08-09-2000, 01:22 PM:
 
Joe's explanation is highly probable, but I have another theory.

Fist of all we have production companies that are making MILLIONS of dollars per film, while theatre companies suffer. If the 5 biggest chains got togeather and said, "NO, you will only get x % of boxoffice sales not xx %" things would be better. Decreased film rentals would also help the exhibitors. Production companies make far too much money.

Production companies need to figure it out that if there are no exhibitors left, they have no product, and will make no money. They need to start helping exhibitors not tightening the noose.

 


Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-09-2000, 02:00 PM:
 
Dave,
You have to remember that the average production cost of a negative in the can is far in excess of 75 million dollars these days. You can't blame the production companies for wanting to get their money back out of a release as fast as they can. I think that there are far too many theaters out there these days, and I also think that in many areas the indies will prevail over the chains in the long run. Another problem is the poor quality productions that are being done these days. You can only blame Hollywood for that. For every real good film there are at least a dozen crappy films. Theaters sometimes have to run those crappy films in order to kiss up to the studios to get their big releases. This makes a loose/loose situation for ALL exhibitors. Personally I think that distribution needs some sort of regulation, at least for a while, to bring fairness back in, and get things back under control.
Mark
 
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 08-09-2000, 02:02 PM:
 
IMHO, some exhibitors are doing poorly because of too much focus on "glitz" and expansion, rather than true "Showmanship". Neon lights in the lobby rather than adequate screen luminance. "One size fits all" masking. Huge screens that can't be lit properly. The demise of 70mm on big screens. Fancy walls that have no sound isolation. "Digital Sound" systems without adequate B-Chains to support them. Settling for "good enough" rather than the best. Turning projection and sound into an afterthought, run by "ushers" rather than skilled projectionists (no offence to those "booth ushers" who are trying their best to become skilled). Reducing cost by reducing maintenance. "Burn out" from reduced "head count". Treating theatregoers as a "captive audience".

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Posted by Dave Cutler (Member # 515) on 08-09-2000, 02:26 PM:
 
Mark, you're right, production companies need to make money too. I am talking about the tremendous PROFIT they make on many films. They need to pay off costs and all that and make some money to make it worth while, but they also need to look at the whole picture.

It seems to me that the production companies could stand to take a dip in PROFITS in order to help out the exhibitors. Seems like good business to me, on the part of production companies to help the exhibitors.
 


Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 08-09-2000, 03:14 PM:
 
Excellent observation, John! I'd rather have better projection and sound quality in a comfortable auditorium rather than a substandard presentation in uncomfortable chairs in a really attractive building with neon all around. Cobb is one company that seemed to go to the extra length to make their buildings attractive and their lobbies fancy. They even put large neat looking pictures on the side walls of the larger auditriums, and installed 1.85:1 only screens (no adjustable masking) in two thirds of their auditoriums. I'd rather they'd spent the money on the masking mechanisms than on features that make no difference in the quality of the movie projection. Have any of you seen the amount of neon on the Regal Hollywood 27 in Nashville? It' the most ridiculous, wicked looking thing I've ever seen. Think of how much money was spent on that, and how far it would have gone if put into equipment maintenance instead.

At least Carmike never seemed to go overboard with the neon. The fronts of their newer theatres are all similar without neon, although there is some neon in the lobby. But is a moving message sign above the entrance to the hall where the auditoriums are really necessary?

 


Posted by Dave Cutler (Member # 515) on 08-09-2000, 03:58 PM:
 
Just to correct myself publicly. Dickinson Theatre Inc, evidently did NOT file for Chapter 11. They did restructure and are doing very well these days. Sorry for the mis information.
 
Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 08-09-2000, 09:47 PM:
 
In Gabriel Knight voice, leaning over mortally wounded projectionist in a flaming multiplex:

"And with your last breath, you shall bear witness to the End of Film."


 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-10-2000, 02:33 AM:
 
Evans:

You must've never seen the Carmike Wynnsong 10 in Billings, Mt. It must have a thousand feet of blue neon out front. Some of which is burned out, right now. it has even more neon in its lobby. And, one of those moving message showtime boards over its boxoffice windows...it doesn't work; they have a sheet of paper with showtimes filled in taped to the window.
 


Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 08-10-2000, 08:08 AM:
 
Mike: since you mentioned a Wynnsong theatre:

All:

I'm sure that the name "Carmike" is a combination of the names Carl and Michael (Patrick), the two guys that run, or used to run, the company. Why do they use "Wynnsong" as a name for so many of their theatres? It is interesting trivia.

Evans


 


Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 08-10-2000, 09:00 AM:
 
I think theaters could be helped immensely, if they had some good movies to run. With very few exceptions this summer has been a real dog. They need to make some kid films to get those summer vacationing butts in the seats. A few years ago I remember there being 3 or 4 biggies out in the summer and the theaters were packed. What happened?

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Posted by Paul Rich (Member # 243) on 08-11-2000, 12:22 AM:
 
>Why do they use "Wynnsong" as a name for >so many of their theatres? It is >interesting trivia

Isn't it because Michael Patrick's son's name is Wynn?
 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-11-2000, 01:38 AM:
 
Correct. (I wonder where the 'song' part comes from?)
 




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