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Posted by Richard Quesnelle (Member # 391) on 08-16-2000, 10:06 PM:
 
So it seems that lately I have been making up all the new prints at the theatre. I have even been putting on the trailers (sometimes the manager will pu them on if I had to make up a film on 6000' for in if the platters were full). Just to clarify a few things (that have probably been answered before).

1) You should keep the same lens ratio (ie scope/flat) for the whole print -meaning a couple of flat and a couple of scope trailers.-Yes or No

2) Do you normally try to accompany the same distributing companies trailers on that same print. -Yes or NO

3) Is there normally an order as to placing them on the print: ie by release date or any other fashion. -Yes or No

Any other info I may have missed please add it to my list.

Thanks

Richard
 


Posted by Mike Spaeth (Member # 524) on 08-16-2000, 10:13 PM:
 
Here's what I do.

1 - If the film is flat, play flat trailers, if the film is scope, play scope trailers.

2 - This step is cut out from me, as I get "Trailer Commands, er Requests" from the home office - I simply play what they wish. Basic guidlines - Never play more than one trailer from any film company, except the one who distributed the movie, then play the attachment and one other, also never play fewer than 5 trailers per print.

3 - order is insignificant - it'll get changed around as you add new trailers, etc.

There's my two cents worth.
 


Posted by Paul Konen (Member # 41) on 08-16-2000, 11:14 PM:
 
1. Same as above - Same format all the way through unless your automation can handle it. It also makes the breakdown of the trailer pack simpler if they are all one type.

2. Cinemark gives a "request" with mandatory and alternate titles. I believe the rule is as above. No more that one or two from the same company.

3. Again, order unimportant although I like to place the attached at the end of the trailers just so that the trailer checker has to watch the whole thing just to verify that we put it on.

Paul.
 


Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 08-16-2000, 11:35 PM:
 
1) All the same format
2) The only trailer you HAVE to play-and many don't anyway-is the attached trailers. I get requests too, but they're not mandatory. Basicaly, my only rule is, if I'm booked for it and its appropriate to the movie, I play it.
3) I like to put the first four on in order of release date, soonest ot latest. The last one is the attached, deepest in since it won't have to be changed anyway.

Basicaly, other than the attached trailer, its all your discretion.
 


Posted by Russ Kress (Member # 461) on 08-16-2000, 11:40 PM:
 
No more than three trailers, please!! *grin* Play what ever you want provided you do not plug "Scary Movie" on the front of "Thomas ans the Magic Railroad" (LOL).

Then play your policy trailer if applicable, followed by the appropriate digital snipe.

House lights should be cue-ed to fade to black simultaniously with the last "subwoofer pulse" on the Dolby "Canyon" snipe.

"Canyon" is (was) the best of the Dolby trailers. Ken, why did they stop printing that one!?

Russ

 


Posted by Rudy Bergman (Member # 576) on 08-17-2000, 01:21 AM:
 
1)flat w/ flat... scope w/ scope

2)the accompaning trailers and request forms are often an attempt by a company to get their trailers run on a film or in a theatre they have no agreement with. as a rule i dont put on anything the man downstairs doesnt tell me to.

3)i always put the trailers i like on first... that way i always get to enjoy them when i frame the movie. if all the trailers suck i try to find something easy to frame
 


Posted by Mike Spaeth (Member # 524) on 08-17-2000, 01:56 AM:
 
When you frame the movie? Isn't part of good presentation having it threaded in frame. I don't tolerate it w/ my projectionists. When I am watching a movie and it starts out of frame, I use that as a judgement of quality of booth staff, really it's quite a simple thing to do. Brad - how do I lock down the framing knobs? I have a Simplex 35. I was reading about that in another post. My projectionists don't seem to understand the importance of framing when threading, so I figured locking them would teach em.
 
Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 08-17-2000, 02:26 AM:
 
When making a trailer pack I program in the following manner:

Only one of our plexes has automatic turrets, so all the trailers are in the same format as the feature.

Our policy states that we play 7-10 minutes of trailers (including the attached one, if applicible) which usually means 3-4 trailers including the attched one.

I do my best to place trailers that are appropriate for the feature, no family trailers with R-rated films and no 'hard PG/PG13' or R-Rated movie trailers with G films. Sometimes the attachments are inexplicable, case in point was Sony's asinine decision to attach 'Mirror Has Two Faces' on 'Fly Away Home' we got tons of complaints about "the preview with Jeff Bridges and Barbra Streisand Talking About Having Sex"...obviously it was removed soon after. I also seem to remember Warners attaching 'Quest For Camelot' and 'Space Jam' trailers to some R-rated titles back in the day... enough of this rant...

Last thing I do is place all the trailers that are on the feature's DTS disks LAST. This way all the analog trailers play in analog and then we switch into DTS for the remainder.

Aaron

 


Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 08-17-2000, 02:31 AM:
 
When I had a very reliable, automated booth, we could put flat trailers on a scope picture. There is a sense of drama as the masking pulls back and we hit the screen with a scope movie. Of course that was defeated when we moved the print to one of the smaller houses with scissor masking (top and bottom). We used to get complaints, "How come the screen got smaller.

Now we always program the same format. My booth isn't near as automated as the last one. We have manual lenses and manual masking.

We are careful only to program films we are going to get or films we might get. If the competition gets one of our films, we pull the trailer quickly.

We try to place trailers for films we are currently playing near the front so we can remove them easily. We have a shortage of trailers so we play cross plugs for are other screens. That said we try never to program more than three. I like trailers as much as the next guy but nobody remembers the middle trailers. After too many trailers it all becomes noise.

What we can't believe is the film companies that run out of trailers. It is their number one method of marketing. When they deny us a trailer it's like saying, "We don't want to make any money." Technicolor does this to us each week. We always call Exhibitor Relations for the film company involved and usually we get a couple of trailers.

 


Posted by Bob Minge (Member # 574) on 08-17-2000, 07:12 AM:
 
And don't forget to take your policy trailer off. Star theaters from somwhere missed one, and I missed it cause the movie was a great TCS friday morning film, so didn't get to preview it. Three days later a customer asked if we had become a Star theater now. OOPS!! Pay attention you three (me, myself & I) , just because you have been gone 2 years doesn't mean you need to forget everything.

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Bob Minge
Manager/Projectionist
Westridge Cinema 5
Fergus Falls, MN
 


Posted by John Gordon (Member # 523) on 08-17-2000, 09:39 AM:
 
Long live manual lens changing and masking!
 
Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 08-17-2000, 11:51 AM:
 
OK, to fill in the form:

1) You should keep the same lens ratio (ie scope/flat) for the whole print -meaning a couple of flat and a couple of scope trailers.

If the feature is flat, we run only flat trailers - scope; only scope trailers. The zipper does not close when the turret rotates; that's why we do it that way.
I have yet to find out "who" is responsible for this: the turret control box on the Simplex, or the automation.


2) Do you normally try to accompany the same distributing companies trailers on that same print.

No, we want to advertise all studios films we might get, on any film we are running. We mix them all. Of course, we're not going to put on a trailer for "Shaft" followed by one for "Thomas and the Magic RR."

3) Is there normally an order as to placing them on the print: ie by release date or any other fashion.

No, since they are added to and/or changed every week, it would be too much to remove and insert certain trailers at certain locations. If the trailers are *generally* for similar films, it usually shouldn't matter.

We don't put on any more than three trailers at a time. We don't cut off the green rating section at the beginning. I try to get the kiddies to leave on as much "black" at the head and tail of trailers, so there's a nice "pause" or break between. As soon as the film opens (at our theater or elsewhere) that trailer is removed from all screens. We usually throw them away, as our company has no "mechanism" to send them out for return.
 


Posted by Mark Wright (Member # 390) on 08-17-2000, 04:54 PM:
 
It is good to keep all the previews the same formatt as the movie incase your cue detector fails or your cues get to worn or dirty to make the lens switch. It is good to keep same company on a print if it is a sneak preview, but other than that you would look for the genre, comedy, drama, horror and so on, to try and make a match or also the age group you think the film maybe made for to try and put previews of the same generation or class. Where I work, home office sends you the list of trailors that are playing on which movies.
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 08-17-2000, 05:16 PM:
 
From a showmanship point of view I always find it terrible to have flat trailers ahead of a scope feature in a auditorium where the masking lowers for scope
Big picture for the previews smaller picture for the feature not cool
 
Posted by Scott D. Neff (Member # 185) on 08-18-2000, 12:27 AM:
 
I'll take that Star Theatres trailer off your hands....

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-18-2000, 05:23 PM:
 
I always try not to place two "similar" trailers together. (2 action movies, for example.) Spread them out with something totally different in between, if possible.
 
Posted by Jesse Skeen (Member # 586) on 09-09-2000, 11:17 PM:
 
OK, lemme ask a new trailer-related question- I just started working for Regal Cinemas and it seems their POLICY is to CUT OFF the green bands from the beginning of trailers! It really looks horrible and the sound of some of them get cut off at the beginning too, but since I just started there I don't want to argue about it with anyone just yet- I haven't talked about it but I've seen it printed in company manuals twice. It gives the impression that the people running the booth (including me) don't know what they're doing! Are they even ALLOWED to do this though, and do all Regal theaters do this? What's funny is the video tape of trailers playing in the lobby has the green bands on most of them!
 
Posted by Michael Cunningham (Member # 210) on 09-09-2000, 11:55 PM:
 
Yep Jesse,

Welcome to Regal. This is policy (cutting off the green bands) at all Regal theatres. I would have to say that you are probably correct about upper management not knowing much about projection, but, wadda ya gonna do? As for arguing about it with anyone, I wouldn't try it. Welcome to corporate culture.

-Mike
 


Posted by Jim Ziegler (Member # 86) on 09-10-2000, 02:14 AM:
 
Removing the green bands is Cinemarks policy as well.. At first, I didn't like it either, but now I prefer it (those green bands aren't the world most attractive scene) Although it does suck when the audio starts in the green band..
 
Posted by Dave Cutler (Member # 515) on 09-10-2000, 10:26 AM:
 
It's also an AMC policy to remove the green bands, although they leave on red bands.

IMHO, I think it's a terrible idea. First of all the sound issue is a MAJOR presentation degredation. Worst one I saw was ver 1 of 'Bringing out the Dead' there were 1 and a half lines of dialogue in the green band that was cut off. Second, I like the break between trailers, lets people 'prepare' for something different. Third (and others disagree) I think that the look good. That's is, as long as you keep your films clean. It's almost a way of showing off how clean your prints are.

Unfortnately, there really isn't anything that can be done about it from our end, so I grudgingly cut them off.


 


Posted by Carl King (Member # 398) on 09-10-2000, 10:52 AM:
 
In my booth I play the trailers that my Head Office tells me to play. There is no specific order in which they must be played but I try to come as close to their list as possible. My Cinnemeccanica V4s and V8s do not have automated lens turrets so I avoid lens changes like a plague. If the feature is flat then all the trailers are flat as well. The same for scope. Most often we use 4 trailers including tags. With the profilferation of commercials that are now shown at the beginnning of the complete show I think 4 trailers plus a commercial is more than enough. Trailers are our best form of advertising upcoming films and as an employee I understand completely the need for as many as the filmgoers will sit through but as a filmgoer I get a bit antsy after 2 or 3. When the fourth trailer hits the screen I'm ready to go the nearest Blockbuster outlet.
 
Posted by Gracia L. Babbidge (Member # 582) on 09-11-2000, 02:19 AM:
 
I thank all higher powers in the universe that I work for a small company that doesn't give me the headache of rolling stock advertisement! Every once in a while the slide changes may be a major pain in the neck, but I'd rather deal with slides than a mass quantity of rolling stock!

In general, I have a lot of freedom in my trailer programming, at least 8 minutes, and not to exceed 15 minutes, including policy trailers, attached trailers, and appropriate digital snipes. For the most part, I just attach whatever is loose in the can, and if the doesn't make it up to 8 minutes, I'll scan my shelf for something appropriate to make up the needed time. In eight months, I've only heard one complaint* (from a customer) about my programming choices, and when informed of this I just shrugged, and pointed out why I felt the complaint was a bit silly. I had put a Coyote Ugly(a PG-13 film) trailer, on The Kid (a PG film). The customer's opinion was that the trailer was lewd and inappropriately placed before a children's movie.

Well...the point I made was that the preview was most certainly a green band, which meant that it had been approved for all audiences, regardless of the rating on the film; but besides that, a PG rating does not necessarily mean that a film is a children's film, the rating in fact is to adivse parents that there could be material in the film that they wouldn't want shown to their young children. If they are seeking something appropriate for every age level, they need to stick to films that get a G rating.
I was simply annoyed by the matter.
I have not changed my 'style' of programming either. (This board could benefit from an :evil: smilie!)

* - though the spring into the early part of the summer, my coworkers complained that they were sick of seeing an X-Men trailer on virtually every film in the building... To which my usual response would be an evil laugh, then a quick retreat to my "dungeon"!

~Gracia

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In some cultures, what I do is considered normal.
 


Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 09-11-2000, 08:12 AM:
 
IMHO, if an active (modulated) analog soundtrack extends (21 frames) into the green band of the trailer, it should NOT be cut off. I would not be surprised if the Motion Picture Association mandates playing the bands, to identify the trailer as having been rated. Maybe a compromise would be to show only a few seconds worth of the band?

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 09-11-2000, 01:43 PM:
 
Chopping off part of the green band in my opinion makes the show feel choppy and rushed. What is the official MPAA's policy on this anyway? Anyone know?
 
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 09-11-2000, 02:53 PM:
 
I've always thought there should be only ONE green band at the beginning of the previews.

Of course, this assumes that the sndtrk. doesn't go into the green part. If trailers could be made that always have proper transitions fom one to the next, all that would have to be done is to add a 5 sec. snipe at the beginning that says, "All previews are approved for all audiences."

Maybe they could also announce the films rating at the end of the preview, like they sometimes do on TV?
 


Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 09-11-2000, 08:36 PM:
 
Gracia Said:
>>I had put a Coyote Ugly(a PG-13 film) trailer, on The Kid (a PG film). The customer's opinion was that the trailer was lewd and inappropriately placed before a children's movie.<<

I too have had some complaints about trailers (refer to the earlier post about the 'Mirror Has 2 Faces' trailer attached to 'Fly Away Home' controversy)...

I would never had placed 'Ugly' with 'Kid', not to be prudish, but because its a matter of preaching to the wrong demographic, as 99% of those seeing 'Kid' would never go to 'Ugly' anyways.

I have heard complaints from some about some of the slide advertisers at one of our locations: One of the advertisers is a store specializing in lingerie, sensual herbs and fragrances, and most likely a variety of sex toys, although there is NO mention of that part of the business in the ads. the ads are clean one of them has a picture of Venus De Milo draped in silk, and the others are of the two business owners along with the name of the business 'The Sensuality Shoppe' on a red background, Basically a harmless slide. Well a number of people strongly objected to these slides being displayed before any feature for children... Get a Life people... Bitch at the store, Not Us!

Aaron

 






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