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Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 10-12-2000, 05:29 PM:
 
This week I'm going to try a new method of training people. They've all got a little experience and I want to try something different...

I plan to thread up a bunch of projectors and make a mistake here and there. (On purpose.) Then the trainees get to go around and find the mistakes.

(Simplex PR-1050 / TU-2000 turret -- Speco Platter -- CFS lamphouse/automation -- FM-35)

Okay, there are a few difinitive mistakes like:

* Misthread the brain
* Film jumping 1/2 way off a roller
* Not closing the sound head pressure roller
* Making the loops so big they hit the inside of the proj. chassis.
* Thread out of frame.

Anybody have any other suggestions?
 


Posted by Tom Kroening (Member # 201) on 10-12-2000, 06:11 PM:
 
Soundtrack backwards is always a good one. I even miss that one now and then when i check over a newbie's work since its so hard to do wrong. Pop the breaker for the bulb (get some troubleshooting action going). Leave one arm on the failsafe down. Just make sure you are right there before they start all these!
 
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 10-12-2000, 06:38 PM:
 
I plan to use old film for the 'test'.

The idea of actually starting a projector and causing problems is pretty cool, too! I'll have to give it some thought.
 


Posted by Tom Kroening (Member # 201) on 10-12-2000, 06:52 PM:
 
Well just walk around with them. "I'll follow you around, just make sure you check all the projectors before you start them". Just make sure they don't start it without your ok.
 
Posted by Paul Cunningham (Member # 501) on 10-12-2000, 07:52 PM:
 
Wrong aperture plate in.
Dont select or select wrong on payout/take up for the platter.
 
Posted by Ethan Harper (Member # 472) on 10-12-2000, 08:16 PM:
 
Defeat all of the automation and see if they are able to do a manual start correctly. Oh yeah and hit the spare cue switch on. See if they can figure it out.

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Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 10-13-2000, 01:37 AM:
 
I like to...

- On platters with more than one print on them, place the payout in the middle of the print that isn't the one you want threaded next and get them to thread up the next show. See if they actually check the schedule or if they just thread the one with the payout inside of it.

- In a changeover setup, swap around the position of the reels...say 3 and 4 in the rack. See if they actually check which reel they are threading up.

 


Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-13-2000, 01:46 AM:
 
Leave the lamphouse dowser closed.
 
Posted by Russ Kress (Member # 461) on 10-13-2000, 02:02 AM:
 
A harmless loop of test film hanging over the lamphouse air intake usually restricts air flow just enough to trip the air flow switch!

*gets 'em every time!*

I once met a guy who would beat on the port glass and demand a refund during the exercise just to make it more realistic (LOL).

Russ

 


Posted by Steven Gorsky (Member # 603) on 10-13-2000, 02:52 AM:
 
Still being fairly new to projection, I can offer some suggestions.


Set the lamp house to manual strike instead of auto.

Skip the top roller on the DTS reader (analog will work fine, but DTS won't).

Skip the bottom roller on the SDDS reader (same effect as above).

Disengage the motor from payout platter (Neumade/others?).

Set lights to panic (Neumade/others? lighting control) or have work lights turned on.


I'll probably come with other problems ("situations") I've had or others I've worked with had.

Steven Gorsky


 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-13-2000, 04:40 AM:
 
Geez, you're cruel!

Skip one of the top takeup rollers and run the film over the roller's shaft instead.

Blow a platter fuse and have it handy to insert whenever you want it to fail.

Move the SPECO magnet out of alignment.

Punch BOTH decks to "takeup". See how long it takes them to realize a forward wrap is slowly happening.

Knock a magazine roller out of alignment and see if they notice.

Untuck the tail.

Turn a breaker off.

Slightly crack open a lamphouse door to trip the safety interlock.

Set the automation to interlock! (To start two projectors at once by mistake or have it not fire at all.)

Turn the sound processor to "remote fader".

Insert a blown exciter lamp. For added fun, put the wrong DTS discs in the player as well.

Loosen the scope lens and rotate it slightly in the turret.

Lower the gate tension until the film jumps.

Turn off the center channel amplifier.

Insert a bad diode.

Dolby SRD penthouse reader...turn it off.

That should keep 'em busy for awhile. If you want to get REALLY mean...

Detach the cable that would normally pull the electric douser out of the way

Disassemble the prime and anamorphic and place a carefully cut piece of black construction paper inbetween them, then reassemble and install.

Drain all of the oil from the projector and see if they check it.

Wait, I'm getting too evil here.


 


Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 10-13-2000, 05:27 AM:
 
There's such a thing as too evil???

As Daffy Duck says...
"Awfully unsthporting of me...I know but hey, I've got to have some fun".


 


Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 10-13-2000, 06:36 AM:
 
Brad is evil.

I recommend "fun with fuses": remove random fuses from amps, processor, exciter supply, house light panel, etc.
In a reel-to-reel booth: remove the takeup belt or disable the clangy "reel end" bells. "Forget" to plug in the sound changeover relay box.
With "gearless" projectors: remove a belt at random.
Swap cards in the sound processor--for example, put in a "bad" preamp card (or just a good one with the input levels set to minimum).
"Accidentally" set up the booth monitor to only play the "subwoofer" channel.
Remove the shutter or at least time it excatly out of phase.
Disable a random automation timer--see if the trainee checks to make sure that the show has started at the scheduled time.
With a Kelmar rewind bench: disassemble the box with the speed-control knob and loosen one of the contacts just enough to make the speed erratic.
 
Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 10-13-2000, 07:27 AM:
 
Scott, it would appear Brad is not the only evil one...
 
Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 10-13-2000, 12:34 PM:
 
Even more evil:

Fill the lamphouse with gunpowder or TNT.

Put superglue in the Filmguard bottle.

Permute the lenses among all the projectors in such a manner that no projector has the correct lenses (assuming all your auditoriums and screens aren't exactly the same size).

I'm just kidding, folks.


 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-13-2000, 02:30 PM:
 
Evans,

Judging by some of your comments about the Huntsville theaters, it sounds like they've already taken your advice on swapping lenses around the building.
 


Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 10-13-2000, 03:04 PM:
 
Brad,

The week before the Regal 8 (formerly Cobb Cinema 8) closed, I talked to the manager and he told me that the aperture plates and lenses has been swapped around and he had been trying to figure out which ones went with which projectors. 7 of the screens were identical size, 20 feet by 10 feet (that dreaded 2.00:1 ratio) with fairly long throws (long narrow 24 and 28 foot-wide auditoriums)). One screen was 24 by 10. From what I've seen at the Madison Square 12, it appears that they've done some permuting of lenses and aperture plates.

After one of my "kidding" ways to make an evil mistake deliberately in my last post, I sure hope nobody's theatre blows up this weekend.

Evans


 


Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 10-13-2000, 03:35 PM:
 
Gee, If all of my lenses had been swapped around, how would I handle it?

I would line up all of my 1.85 lenses from the highest number to the lowest number.

Then I would look out all of my portholes and try and determine which screen looked the largest from the port. I would then take the lens with the smallest number and try it in there.

Then I would go around the building and try to place all the lenses using that method.

After which, I would take all of my aperature plates and just start looking at them in each auditorium untill I was satisfied with the results.

Then again, perhaps I would look in the office for the list of screen sizes in my building and the lenses that go with them. And look for the numbers scratched in the aperature plates to identify which house the belong to.
 


Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 10-13-2000, 03:56 PM:
 
Or you could just try all 8! possible permutations until you get the correct one! 8! is 40320, by the way.

For a 16-plex, there would be 16!, or just over 20.9 trillion possible arrangements of lenses. That would keep a dummy busy for a while.

Evans

 


Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 10-13-2000, 05:15 PM:
 
Actually, I'm not being all that evil.

This is a real, management-sponsored training session. I figured it'd be a lot more fun for everybody instead of me standing there in front of a bunch of bored Usher-Bs and reading from a list on a clip board. I've told everybody about it and they all seem to like the idea.

The first part of the training should be taking place as we speak... I've given them a shopping list of things to go buy at Radio Shack, like HEAT SINK COMPOUND and a 1/2 decent OHMMETER to test diodes with. I already went to the store and told the manager what I wanted them to buy. All they have to do is take money into the store and say, "Hi, I'm from the theatre down the street." They will show them everything they need.

As far as the agenda goes, I PLAN to do four things:

1)10 minute introduction talk.
2)Play, "Find the threading mistakes".
3)Everybody builds a pretend movie out of old trailers and plays it.
4)Play, "Troubleshoot the projector while it's running" (Using the "films" they just made.)

After that it'll be pretty much "questions and answers".

Definately, some of you guys' ideas will make it to the "test".

I'll let you know how it goes!
 


Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 10-13-2000, 05:20 PM:
 
Oh! Yeah! I forgot!

I also have to show them how to change Xenons and check diodes!

What FUN I'm going to have tomorrow!
 


Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 10-13-2000, 09:56 PM:
 
You wouldn't have to try 8! combinations of lenses, though. Start with one auditorium and try every lens until you find one that's the right focal length. That gives you a maximum of 8 possible tries and a minimum of 1. Then, go to the second house and try each of the remaining 7 lenses until you get one that gives the right size image, etc. Eventually, you'd have tried 8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1 lenses at most. That's just for flat/1.85. Repeat the process for scope. Or just note the relative focal lengths of the flat lenses and order the scope lenses accordingly (assuming that you don't have a mix of top- and side- masking arrangements for scope...
 
Posted by Frank Prete (Member # 627) on 10-14-2000, 06:52 AM:
 
Hey Randy,

Try a few of these things:

Cut the film half way through and then get the to run it. It will shut the show down eventually.

In your old bits of film put about six or seven out of frames - all in the one direction. Eventually they will run out of adjustment and need to stop. Then again, they should pick it up on the bench!

Also, when you are running old film, show them how easy it is to scratch the film. Move the film into positions you know will damage the film and let them see it for themselves.

A great thing to teach them is a checking routine that they can use each session, every thread so that they get in the habbit of double checking their work. Something like Check Platter, Check Film Path, Check projector threading, check feature check program and time. You get the idea - modify it to suit your booth and equipment.

Frank.
 


Posted by Steve Scott (Member # 630) on 10-14-2000, 06:52 PM:
 
If they're anything like the managers at my place, just hook up a DTS reader to a dolby CP 500 and listen to the SR sound play!

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"Trying is the first step towards failure!"
-Homer Simpson
 


Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 10-14-2000, 07:51 PM:
 
This theatre uses JAX light conversions to the old exciter lamp system. In the CFS consoles, the exciter power supply has a power switch on the front panel.

Well, what do you think would happen if that button 'accidentally' got turned off?
 


Posted by Ethan Harper (Member # 472) on 10-15-2000, 12:07 AM:
 
Is it too late to be evil yet?

How about taking out the variacs in the platters?

Pull out the card with the two electro-magnets that controls the movement of the platter via payout arm. (Sorry don't remember what it is called).

Pull out the bridge rectifier out of the payout and takeup control panel.

On the platters under the elevator (takeup rollers) there is a small white plastic piece (again I forget what it is called). Remove it and have them figure out why the platters are not taking up.

Did Brad already say flip the interlock switch?

turn the igniter adjustment switch all the way down.

Inside the back of the lamphouse take out the fuse that goes to the ingitor breaker and have them try to figure out why the bulb is not striking.

Does Cinemark still use those crappy timer delay relay circuits? You know the ones that are white with red lettering? If so change the timing on it so the timer is on 10 mminutes, and the other 2 pot switches are on the very frist number so when the first inboard cue goes through, it will shut the projector down.

Turn off the breaker on the wall for the lamphouse power.

That is all I think of right now.

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--"That's my story and i'm sticking to it!"--
 


Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 10-15-2000, 06:44 PM:
 
Okay, so here's how it went:

I did two projectors. One had only platter mis-threads and the other only had projector mis-threads.

Proj #1

I think the reason the one roller was missed by some was that they were looking at the platter and thought that roller was part of the projecor.

Proj #2


Taught Diodes and Xenon replacement. All did well on this. They were a little afraid at first, mostly because of horror stories that other people had told them.

Splicer care; How to splice; How to use a "Cheat Stick" to find frame lines.

Cleaned lenses; Cleaned port glass; Cleaned projectors; How to use the film cleaner.

After that I just hung around while they ran the booth and watched what they did. I DID get a little bit evil on them. On one guy I jumped the film off the failsafe but he got it right away. (Damn!) Later on, we had a failsafe mess up for real, so it wasn't a total loss. On the other guy I shut off the exciter power supply. I had to walk him through how to troubleshoot that one but once I asked him if the exciter was on he got the idea. I think I rattled him by standing over him and saying, "Okay, what do you do now?"


This week while I was doing the reapairs I had to fix a lot of things like messed up payout magnets, detached changeover wires and stuff. I also went over how to take care of FM-35 problems. I'm ordering them the new and improved FM-35-PU (Pickup) so they don't have to worry about that anymore.

Even though there were a some inexperienced guys, they all did pretty well, given the circumsatnces. There weren't any bad problems at the theatre. Just a bunch of little ones that all stacked up on them. I think that once these guys get some more experience they'll be pretty good!

I think I'll try this again one of these days and refine the technique.


 


Posted by Joseph Pandolfi (Member # 223) on 10-18-2000, 05:57 PM:
 
When my boss trained me at the eight plex he would purposely do one thing wrong with each house as part of my training program.

Cine 1 -- set up the automation so the curtains won't open.

Cine 2 -- Set the time to start the show 10 minutes early.

Cine 3 -- Punch in the makeup button on the AW3 and set the automation on safety to overide alarm so the failsafe would fall and film would sprew on the floor.

Cine 4 -- Pop the breaker on the lamphouse.

Cine 5 -- Manually open the changeover and set automation to close the changeover at show start.

Cine 6 -- Set the CP65 to go to non-sync at the start of the feature.

Cine 7 -- Platter feed threaded incorrectly.

Cine 8 -- (The killer) intentionlly rip a splice between two trailers on the platter to simulate a film break.

By the way I failed on #3 and #5.
I spliced the film within his time limit on #8. (5 minutes)..
 


Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 10-19-2000, 09:28 AM:
 
We used to have a projectionist in Toronto that used to like to set up the relief projectionists with things like
Excitors removed
Pill bottel caps on the back of the lens in machines with a shroud
A cut off coke cup in the front of lenstubes
Mascarini switches reveserd
Diode pegs half unplugged from the cinemation
Xenon lamps just sitting in the lamphouse bottom
After two weekend of this I just got pissed off and took some pegs and cut the ends off them and then reinserted them in the matrix programmer at the changeover lines

 




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