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Posted by Betsie Beadling (Member # 591) on 03-11-2001, 07:33 AM:
 
Do Colleges and/or Universitys Teach
People How to Operate Film Projectors
since i want to be A Projectionist???
I Hope to Get a Job Soon at Local Movie Theater.

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Posted by Aaron Mehocic (Member # 15) on 03-11-2001, 09:50 AM:
 
I don't know about a projectionist major at college, but many schools do offer classes on the history of motion pictures. In these classes one does learn about projectors, how they developed, and some of the parts currently found on them. Mickey Kantor at Youngstown State University in Youngstown, Ohio incorporates some of these things into his lectures. Another avenue you might try is to take a media class through your school's department of education (some schools limit this class only to education majors, so check the curriculum first). here students learn specifically how to thread 16mm for sure. Also, other aspects are covered such as keystone effect, etc etc. Your best bet might be to look around, but I would suggest for a thourough training, befriend a competant operator and keep reading this forum, I learn something new everytime I log on!
 
Posted by Dave Bird (Member # 490) on 03-11-2001, 10:16 AM:
 
I have a flyer from Entertainment Equip. in Buffalo. They have launched "Cinema Training Central" where the students learn in a live environment. www.entequip.com
I think Gordon may know a little more on how the program works....
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 03-11-2001, 11:38 AM:
 
email entequip@aol.com and request an information package
the next seminar will be late april or early may.
It is based on the premise that attendees will have some basics
maybe we should rethink that and have a intro day
 
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 03-11-2001, 11:39 AM:
 
Kodak offers training through its ScreenCheck Experience Program:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/screencheck/offer.shtml

The Kodak website has a wealth of publications about film and film handling:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/index.shtml
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/index.shtml

Plus Film-Tech has had many threads on projection training. And check out the Film-Tech Manuals and Tips sections.

Hopefully when you apply for a job at a theatre, demonstrating some level of knowledge and technical aptitude will put you in the booth. On your resume, list any courses, hobbies or work experience with photography, moviemaking, or electronics. With some luck, you will work with a skilled projectionist willing to share knowledge and teach you the art and science of good projection.
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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


 


Posted by William T. Parr (Member # 677) on 03-11-2001, 02:07 PM:
 
Have not heard of any courses at a University. All Projectionist were either trained by on the job training or through the IATSE local depending on the venue.

John I am glad to see that Kodak is offering it through the Screen Check Expierience Program. I think that is good, I myself do not like the idea of throwing someone into the booth with only a days worth of instruction.
 


Posted by Betsie Beadling (Member # 591) on 03-11-2001, 04:39 PM:
 
What is Emulsion??
and Keystoning???

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Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 03-11-2001, 05:01 PM:
 
Betsie! While I applaud your enthusiasm, please, read through all the Reel Notes for Reel People by Kodak posted in the Manuals section.

Then read all the posts in this forum. Then ask your questions. You are starting from way back in the field and this forum is for people in the industry.

Emulsion is what makes the image on film. Like a written page, the Base is like the paper and the Emulsion is like the ink.

Keystoning occurs when the angle of projection is anything other than 0 degrees on center. In other words if your projector is too low or too high or too much to the left or right, the image is distorted. A square will look like a Keystone in a Roman arch narrower on one side and wider on the other.

One of the first rules of a forum or online discussion group is to read for a while without speaking. Learn what is being said, then and only then should you feel that you can contribute something. I would look like an ass, if I stood up at the Technicolor Electronic Cinema rollout and ask, “Oh, what’s a pixel? Duh!”

I stood up at a meeting called The Primacy of Exhibition to ask if there was a perceptual difference in the mind between film flickering at 24 frames a second and the way video is scanned. Somebody else asked the same question, I didn’t then ask it again to hear myself talk, I just handed in the microphone, sat back down and listened to the answer.

Listen, don’t speak!


 


Posted by Paul Goulet (Member # 297) on 03-11-2001, 08:10 PM:
 
"Listen, don’t speak!"

NOW LET'S SEE IF IT ACTUALLY HELPS!

AMEN! IAN !
 


Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 03-12-2001, 01:09 AM:
 
Mercyhurst College in Erie,PA has a 35mm set up and they'll teach select students how to run it.

They have a full blown performing arts center with stage and all. A lot of the staffing needs are filled in with Work Study students. Once the year's new "crop" of students has settled in a couple of them are invited to work in the booth. So, not only do you get to learn how to be a projectionist you get PAID for it!
If you turn out to be good enough, you can apply to the local Cinemark theatre and have pretty good chances of getting hired.

I was the head projectionist at the college before I moved south. The guy who runs the place now is a 25-year Union guy. He knows his shit 100 times better than I did! I can't say that they still do things the same way now, because I'm not there but anybody who's enough of a "self-starter" certainly has a good shot at it!
 


Posted by John Eickhof (Member # 323) on 03-12-2001, 02:10 AM:
 
Does anyone out there have a spare volume of Richardson's Bluebook Of Projection, or a Cameron's book they can send to Betsie??? Or even the SMPTE Presentation Manual????

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Northwest Theatre Equipment Co., Inc.
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Wendell, ID. 83355-0258
208-536-5489
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Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 03-12-2001, 08:06 AM:
 
Betsie: As I said, Kodak's website has a wealth of information. For example, here is a discussion of film base and its physical characteristics:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/h1/base.shtml

Here is some information on projection:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/h1/projection.shtml

Here is a glossary of terms:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/h1/glossary.shtml

As Ian said, back issues of Kodak's "Film Notes for Reel People" and "Cinema Notes" have quite a few articles about projection technology. They are in the Film-Tech "Manuals" section. Film-Tech's "Manuals" and "Tips" sections have LOTS of information useful to budding projectionists.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
 


Posted by Colin Wiseley (Member # 247) on 03-12-2001, 09:44 AM:
 
I've never heard of colleges offering classes in projection, but they are a good place to get started. When I was freshman at VA Tech I got a job working in the AV department. I started out delivering equipment around campus, then I moved up to cleaning overhead projectors in classrooms, then I moved up again to running 16mm movies and computer/video projection in the large auditoriums.

One of the guys I worked with was involved with restoring the local downtown movie theater, The Lyric, and he got me involved, and that's where I learned 35mm. Check out the AV department where you go to school, hopefully they will be able to help you out and give you training.

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Colin Wiseley
Lyric Theatre
Blacksburg, VA
www.thelyric.com
 






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