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Posted by Joe Ritter (Member # 804) on 07-11-2001, 06:09 PM:
Hi All,
I just aquired a kelmar film cleaner. I am wondering about the proper way to use it with Filmrenu. Does one soak the rolls of cloth in the Filmrenu or just put a little on the roll, I would apprecieate a detailed instruction on how to properly use the kelmar unit with Filmrenu as I have some old and dirty film to clean, and hopefully salvage. All help is much aprecieated.-------Thanks-----Joe Ritter-----
Posted by Mitchell Cope (Member # 32) on 07-11-2001, 06:25 PM:
Why wouldn't you want to use FilmGuard? 
If you insist on wanting to use Filmrenew with the Kelmar Film Cleaner , I would contact Larry Urbanski directly for advice. He can be reached at larryu@urbanskifilm.com
Posted by Per Hauberg (Member # 529) on 07-11-2001, 06:51 PM:
Hello, Mr Pussycat,What nice big teeth You've got
How do You use them..?
-said the little mouse
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-11-2001, 07:51 PM:
Joe, you've got the wrong tool for the job (if you are going to use FilmRenew solution, that is). FilmRenew was not designed to be used in conjunction with a media cleaning machine. It is an evaporating type of solution that is intended for cleaning manually between hand rewinds (although I hear some people actually like to drop their prints into a bucket of it). FilmGuard is the solution that is designed to be used with the Kelmar cleaner. The names may be similar, but the two products are very much different.Sell the Kelmar unit to someone who needs it. There are plenty out there looking for a used one.
Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 07-11-2001, 08:35 PM:
I'll take it! 
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Posted by Stefan Scholz (Member # 147) on 07-12-2001, 09:03 AM:
I'd alsolike to have one, reasonably.
Posted by Joe Ritter (Member # 804) on 07-12-2001, 10:23 AM:
Thanks guys,
Now I am getting completely confused. I even had to go look on the bottle and see which cleaning liquid I had. I do have Filmrenu from Lary U. (that makes a nice poem don`t it.). I may have to find some Filmguard and try it. At any rate I want to try this Kelmar cleaning machine before I decide wheather I want to get rid of it or not. I have heard they are good machines, so I will see what it can do.------Thanks------Joe Ritter-------
Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 07-13-2001, 04:25 AM:
I was kidding Joe, Keep the bloody thing and buy some FG...you'll never look back. Note: I have never seen nor tried Film Renew so am unable to attest to its effectiveness.
Posted by Joe Ritter (Member # 804) on 07-13-2001, 12:31 PM:
Hi guys,
Where is the best place to order some FilmGuard???????
Thanks for all the help.-----Joe Ritter---------
Posted by Mitchell Cope (Member # 32) on 07-13-2001, 01:38 PM:
Click on the "FILM CLEANING" link at the bottom of this page (next to "FORUMS"). The bottom of that page has a link that takes you to the FilmGuard dealers.
Posted by Derek Maxwell (Member # 234) on 07-14-2001, 03:15 AM:
Filmrenew is great for cleaning old dirty prints with a media cleaner but if you want to run newer films and get that WETGATE look and condition the print, then Filmguard is the thing you want. Filmrenew is also great for old brittle films to bring back the life in it if you want to soak a print. It's very gentle on film but tape splices will come loose. Filmguard is the best when it comes to making your films look as good as the day they were struck. I did this with some very old and used 16mm prints of Horror films last year and when I projected them, all the wear was gone and they looked like new and still run that way a year later. That stuff stays on the print and works wonders. Both products are great but it depends on what you want to use them for.------------------
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Posted by Martin Frandsen (Member # 74) on 07-24-2001, 05:06 AM:
Hey Per, what's with your photo? looks like you have your arm stuck in the projector gate! 
Posted by Joe Ritter (Member # 804) on 07-24-2001, 08:41 AM:
Hi All,
I have tried the Kelmar cleaner on some film, With FilmGuard. It is FANTASTIC. I have not as yet tried the cleaner with FilmRenu. That will be next.
On another facet I was wondering if 16mm. film could be ran through the Kelmar machine. It looks to me that if one was to make a drive wheel that would fit inside the 35mm. drive wheel, slightly smaller in diameter and the proper width for 16 and using the rubber O-rings the same as the 35mm. wheel that the 16 could be run on the same machine. I wonder if this has already been tried? Anyone that has ideas on this suggestion please get on and lets argue it out. I always look at a machine and try to improve its usage or increase its flexability. If you think this idea is nuts say so, but state your reasons.------Thanks-------Joe Ritter--------
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 07-24-2001, 09:01 AM:
Joe Ritter asked: "I was wondering if 16mm. film could be ran through the Kelmar machine. It looks to me that if one was to make a drive wheel that would fit inside the 35mm. drive wheel, slightly smaller in diameter and the proper width for 16 and using the rubber O-rings the same as the 35mm. wheel that the 16 could be run on the same machine."It would probably work. One concern might be that the O-rings that drive the unit would reach well into the 16mm image area. If there was any slippage of the film against the O-rings, abrasion of the image area might occur.
You might consider the use of the 3M Web Cleaner, which drive the cleaning media with a motor, rather than the geared-down movement of the film around a roller.
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Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 07-24-2001, 12:47 PM:
Joe:Look at the '16mm on a platter' link in the picture warehouse to see a 70mm Kelmar cleaner being used with 16mm film. Leave it to Brad to figure out another use for a 70mm cleaner! 
-Aaron
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-24-2001, 01:17 PM:
It's very easy to modify. All you need is a few nuts to use in place of the spacer block. I've also modified these units to run 8mm.Aaron, you should see my Kelmar 70mm cleaner that has been modified into a toilet paper dispenser.
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 07-24-2001, 10:04 PM:
Brad do you use film guard on it too ?
maybe a new product use
Posted by Jeffry L. Johnson (Member # 453) on 07-25-2001, 10:36 AM:
Once you've tried a flushable moist wipe you'll never want to use dry toilet paper alone again.As R. Crumb's Tommy Toilet sez: http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~marnie/mind/tommy.html
Posted by Jeffry L. Johnson (Member # 453) on 07-25-2001, 03:18 PM:
I should have read my mini-AIR sooner.
http://www.improbable.com/news/2001/jul/3-toilet-paper.html http://www.improbable.com/news/2001/jul/soviet-toilet-paper.html