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Posted by Ben Wales (Member # 92) on 11-29-2001, 11:17 AM:
I would be interested in any known details of the total weight of the DP70 projector (without Lamphouse) as there is no information in the installation manual I have at home.
Posted by Pete Naples (Member # 761) on 11-29-2001, 12:14 PM:
No help whatsoever, but the phrase 'uckin 'eavy springs to mind!Perhaps the 70mm association can help?
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 11-29-2001, 02:05 PM:
Check Thomas Haurslev's site. I'm sure its there someplace. Probably in KG though, but that might suit you better. If you're going to move one, or what ever, be sure to have at least 4 people around to do the job. Other wise an engine hoist with lifting straps will also work fine. I have moved em myself that way. The other consideration is WOULD YOU ask a friend to help you move something like that??????
Not me......
Mark @ GTS
Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 11-29-2001, 02:31 PM:
From the excellent website of Thomas Hauerslev:
http://hjem.get2net.dk/in70mm/dp70/projector/heavy.htm Thank you, Thomas, for all of the wonderful information you have posted on your site.
Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 11-29-2001, 02:43 PM:
1050 lbs------------------
Greg Mueller
Amateur Astronomer, Machinist, Filmnut
http://www.muellersatomics.com/
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 11-29-2001, 03:33 PM:
A few years ago we moved 3 of them out of an old abandoned downtown theatre After disassembling them we got the drunks that were sitting in the lane and put 4 cases of beer in the lobby and explained when the 3 machines were in the lobby they could have the beer
The machines were in the lobby very fast indeed
At another location we had a Piano moving firm move them
Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 11-29-2001, 04:38 PM:
The base and pedstal are not too bad, but the head itself is really heavy.
Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 11-29-2001, 05:12 PM:
I used to hire Egytians, but now I know all their tricks so I do it myself------------------
Greg Mueller
Amateur Astronomer, Machinist, Filmnut
http://www.muellersatomics.com/
Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 11-29-2001, 05:41 PM:
>>The base and pedstal are not too bad, but the head itself is really heavy.<<Not to mention that on the bottom of the head there is not much to get a grip onto as well. Even worse if its all oily/greasy. 
-Aaron
Posted by Matthew Bailey (Member # 601) on 11-29-2001, 07:57 PM:
I once handled a Simplex 1014 head with my bare hands.
After disconnecting all the wiring & belts & removing the mounting bolts,I slid it directly off the top of the soundhead onto the top of an MUT. I then stacked sturdy plastic milk crates in stair fashion
in front of the MUT & moved the head down them onto the floor.
Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 11-29-2001, 08:39 PM:
You make that sound like some kind of great accomplishment... Hell, almost anyone can lift a Simplex picture head. Centurys are even easier!Lets see you list the picture head portion of a DP70! 
-Aaron
Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 11-29-2001, 08:54 PM:
Last time I tried it without an engine hoist, my brother inlaw and I took the projection head off and sat it down on a pallet on the floor. That was the last time I ever did that. I though every blood vessel in my head was going to pop before we got it set down. Don't try it, it was a stupid move, no, a really stupid move. Use an engine hoist------------------
Greg Mueller
Amateur Astronomer, Machinist, Filmnut http://www.muellersatomics.com/
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 11-29-2001, 09:27 PM:
Greg Mueller said: "I though every blood vessel in my head was going to pop before we got it set down. Don't try it, it was a stupid move, no, a really stupid move. Use an engine hoist."
------------------What's 234 pounds (106 kilograms) shared among family? HEAVY!!! 
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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 11-29-2001, 10:35 PM:
Here's one for ya. Try lifting a Bauer U-2 head sometime. Its smaller, but lots heavier than the Norelco. Almost impossible to get two guys on it to do the lifting as there is no place to safely grab it that your fingers wouldn't get crushed when it was set down. Don't know the exact weight of the head but I'd estimate it at around 350+ lbs! Engine hoists are mandatory and the Egyptians we have down here in SLC even balked at having anything to do with it.....
Mark @ GTS
Posted by Dick Vaughan (Member # 540) on 11-30-2001, 03:17 AM:
Timely question BenYou haven't by any chance recently aquired one from a certain Australian engineer in London have you?
Just yesterday I managed to convince "others" to move our recently purchased DP 70 down a s**tload of stairs. I now owe Dennis Laws the entire output of a reputable brewery for a year, the largest Murgh Makhani North of Watford and a gold card for the Widescreen Weekend!!
Posted by Thomas Hauerslev (Member # 566) on 11-30-2001, 04:15 AM:
At one time when I moved my machine in parts, I took the opportunity to measure the parts, one by one, on my wifes' weight in our bathroom. It survived and that's the figures on the web site.I'm now considering adding wheels to my DP70. It will make it easier to move it around between my furniture (Yes I am mad, but happy!=)
Dick, what's the SN on your new machine?
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Cheers, Thomas
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Posted by Dick Vaughan (Member # 540) on 11-30-2001, 06:59 AM:
When we scrape through the dirt & grime to find it I'll let you know
Posted by Barry Floyd (Member # 385) on 11-30-2001, 09:04 AM:
Last year when I moved the equipment out of an old drive-in, I had no idea how much an Ashcraft rectifier would weigh. I found out rather quickly. If it wasn't for a Ryder Truck with a hydraulic lift gate, they'd both still be sitting there.
Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 11-30-2001, 10:00 AM:
Be sure to remove the mag reader stabilizers (fly wheels) before you move it. There's a danger of bending the shafts that hold them as they are not supported on the outboard side. You can also remove the optical sound head and it's heavy stabilizer (fly wheel). That will save you a number of pounds. And of course the motor assembly------------------
Greg Mueller
Amateur Astronomer, Machinist, Filmnut
http://www.muellersatomics.com/
Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 11-30-2001, 10:03 AM:
You might be able to bring the weight of the AA2 projector head down. Removing the entire mag assembly and lens rack would reduce the weight from "unbelievable" to a mere "backbreaking."I find the real challange is getting stuff down the narrow, twisting stairs usually found in projection rooms. Having plenty of hands doesn't help; there's no room for everyone. It's no surprise to learn that usually the stuff was hoisted in with a crane before the building was finished.
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 12-03-2001, 08:54 AM:
I know someone who got two GK-37s up three flights of stairs by lashing them (head, lamphouse and pedestal separately) to the chairlift provided for disabled customers. It worked - impressive, given that these objects must have been several times heavier than the weight that chairlift was designed to carry.
Posted by Pete Naples (Member # 761) on 12-03-2001, 09:08 AM:
I did the very same trick with an Erneman 15, Rectifier and sound rack. Worked a treat, but not quite as heavy as GK's.
Posted by Peter Hall (Member # 695) on 12-07-2001, 08:08 AM:
Ben - if anyone knows how heavy a DP70 is you should be now - how many have you meved in the last week ? (ws it three or four ?!). Hope you've got plenty of brillo pads !Dick - I m NOT a bloody AUSTRALIAN ! New Zealand born and bred thank you ! Hope you too have fun with yours..
Posted by Dick Vaughan (Member # 540) on 12-07-2001, 08:23 AM:
PeterI was only trying to hide your true identity by sideslipping your country of origin Honest Guv!! 
I have to say I never had you down as a Footrot Flats escapee!
Posted by Ben Wales (Member # 92) on 12-08-2001, 04:37 PM:
Peter-last count it was 4 DP70's and a almost ton of bits of cinema junk, I don't need Brillo Pads for the first ones, a sandblaster would be better!.I do have the scares to prove that I have moved DP70's (pictures to follow), but they were not bad to move.
Dick- I do hope to see your new DP70 operational by the next Widescreen Weekend or I have to collect that one as well