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Posted by John T. Hendrickson, Jr (Member # 849) on 12-18-2001, 08:50 PM:
 
We had a sneak preview of Kate & Leopold at our theater last Friday and Saturday night. Got a desperate call from one of my operators last night (Monday). Seems we got a fax from Technicolor (didn't you all?)at 10:02PM, EST that " at the request of Mirimax Studios, there will be no holdovers of Kate& Leopold for the release on Christmas Day 12/25/01. Please have your print broken down and ready for pickup on Tuesday, 12/18/01, in your normal Airborne pickup window."

Really nice of Mirimax to let us know at the last minute that the print had to be shipped out. But, it gets better! The Friday release was moved back to Christmas Day. Little elves told us that Harvey and the boys at Mirimax were not happy with the outcome of the sneak and didn't want to go up against the other Friday releases.

Incidentally, you will get a print(s) back to put together all over again on the 21st, according to TES.

My understanding is that this has not only inconvenienced folks in projection who were unfortunate enough to work for theaters that had the sneak, but also management who have already set up their web sites to sell advanced tickets! What about patrons who may have bought tickets for December 21 thru 24? "Gee folks, we're sorry, but we don't have that picture. Sorry we took your money and sold you tickets for it." In addition, what about those theaters who have already sent time schedules to the press and may not have been able to make corrections in time for the deadline? Not to mention the barn dancing that will go on to fill screens with holdovers until the 25th. A real booker's dream!(nightmare?)

WAY TO GO, MIRIMAX! Your concern for your exhibitors problems is non-existant.

Did any of you filmtechers out there experience similar problems?

The rant is on.
 


Posted by Mike Spaeth (Member # 524) on 12-19-2001, 04:40 AM:
 
Yeah - this created quite a ripple effect. Thanks to the move, the entire booking department had to scramble to replace it on 12/21 ... and bookings didn't get sent out until 6:45 pm. All this over 4 days ????
 
Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 12-19-2001, 07:14 AM:
 
Copied from my post in the Open for Christmas? thread in ground level:

Apparently they decided to make some last minute changes which will affect 4 different reels.
So the prints that were run for sneak previews are actually not final versions and everyone has to send it back and get the new ones.
It was also said that the new prints may not even be in until Christmas morning.
 


Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 12-19-2001, 10:25 AM:
 
Sneak? What sneak? We were supposed to have one, but the prints didn't arrive until 2.5 hours after we had to cancel the sneak. Apparently, this happened all over Michigan.
 
Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 12-19-2001, 01:31 PM:
 
We saw Kate & Leopold at Show East in October. I didn't feel that there was anything wrong with the film then. I thought it was a straight forward "Meg Ryan romantic comedy." Ebert & Dweebert must have seen the flawed print last week and thought well of it enough to award it two thumbs up! I wonder what the problem was?
 
Posted by Jim Ziegler (Member # 86) on 12-19-2001, 03:39 PM:
 
If it shows up Christmas morning, no one will be at my place to get it.. We won't be there until noon.
 
Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 12-19-2001, 04:14 PM:
 
Adam, we had the same problem, but I think I just forgot to mention it.
Our print came in friday 5 munites before sneak time.
We just ran serendipity in its place and ran the sneak at 930.
Saturday we played it at the normal time.
 
Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 12-19-2001, 07:17 PM:
 
Hmmmmmm, I would like to know who is going to foot the bill for a holiday release....Airborne does not deliver anything on Christmas Day.....And is anybody gettin the movie Imposter....THis was supposed to open on Christmas day but I think it may have gotten moved again...Miramax may have moved Kate and Leapold to this date because Imposter, the other film they had was moved...All the pretty horses was a holiday release last year and did pretty well for them....

This is not the first time that technicoler called back the prints from a sneak...I just hope that all the prints for the 25th come in on the 21st so if there are problems with a reel a replacement can be ordered...We had a defective reel on bothe of our prints of Lord of the rings...Reel #5 do to splotching....
 


Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 12-19-2001, 07:29 PM:
 
Miramax is too busy buying awards for its movies to look at the real world. I'd love to see all the gossip columnists and Miramax apologists explain THIS one away.

Thanks to this f#(%*p by Miramax, Universal will expand A Beautiful Mind to megaplexes/upmarket theaters on Xmas Day. The UA East Hampton and the Princeton Garden Theatre will drop Amelie to pick up A Beautiful Mind. National break remains 1/4.

Darryl S: Miramax moved Imposter from 12/25 to 1/4 last week -- before the f#(%*p with Kate & Leopold. All the Pretty Horses opened Xmas Day last year and tanked! Miramax wound up handling that one because Columbia didn't want it.


 


Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 12-19-2001, 07:49 PM:
 
Thank You Charles E. I was not aware of the move for Imposter since we were not going to get that year and a half in the cans piece of crap anyway I have spoken to two people who have seen Kate and Leapold and they loved it so who knows why they moved it. All I want is my movies in my theater early enough so that if there are problems they can be remedied...
 
Posted by Mike Jones (Member # 522) on 12-20-2001, 04:41 AM:
 
Adam, I was afraid the same would happen to us in Birmingham, Michigan. Luckily we got our print at 6:15 for our 7:30 sneak. Good thing I didn't schedule the thing for 7:00.

Seriously though, I've had to do about 8 completely seperate show schedules for 2 theatres in 2 days. Then we get word its moved and I have to stay late (early) to redo the schedule that took me hours to get *just* right. And once I have it all done, Paramount calls us and says we're only getting one print of Jimmy Neutron instead of the two promised, leaving me to do the entire schedule again and fill another screen. Luckily it made my life easier as we just left the screen open to run interlocks for Lord of the Rings or Ali. Still, it's B.S.

I'd actually like to thank Miramax for not releasing the crap they call Imposter on X-Mas day and wasting a valuable screen. Now those seats can actually be filled with people!! I think it was just a ploy to get people to think their movie might be good and entertaining with a 12/25 release and then push it one week to the designated dumping ground month for new releases.
 


Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 12-20-2001, 12:39 PM:
 
Mike, you're a lot closer to DTW than I am ... I've noticed since moving here that nobody flies freight into Grand Rapids International Airport. It all flies to Detroit and then a courier drives it here in 2.5 or 3 hours. Even our Imax films arrive through DTW.

BTW, congrats on your opening. I'll stop by for a visit next time I'm in town.


 


Posted by Joe Beres (Member # 678) on 12-20-2001, 01:38 PM:
 
Don't think that print delivery will be the end to your chaos. I saw an ad for Kate and Leopold on TV last night, and the ads still say that the film is opening up on December 21. Hugh Jackman, on Conan O'Brien, said the release was Christmas day, but said nothing about the change in release dates. I wouldn't be surprised if some of your theaters get distressed calls over the weekend from people that need to see what looks to be a terrible film.
 
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 12-21-2001, 11:01 AM:
 
Joe B: The ACNielsen EDI website still lists the release date for Kate & Leopold as today. That date has not been changed even with the sneak preview fiasco.

To further cover the Weinsteins' a$$es, Miramax is opening The Shipping News in upmarket NYC suburbs day-and-date with Manhattan (Xmas Day). I smell another flop!

BTW, did anybody see the Golden Globe nominations? Looks like Miramax bought a few of them.
 


Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 12-21-2001, 01:27 PM:
 
I thought I was above all this Miramax nonsense, but they found a way to involve us. We thought we were done with our booking on Monday, we were going to hold the same film over of two weeks through the New Year.

Our newspaper deadline for the holiday was Tuesday, December 18th.

Miramax called this morning (Friday, December 21st) to tell us that we were to open In The Bedroom on December 26th or they would give the print to our competition. So we set about changing our schedule. Then they called back to inform us that we needed to open the film December 25th. Were scrambling to get the ad changed in the newspaper. Not only has the weekly paper's deadline passed but the weekly newspapers are already out! I called Technicolor and asked when the print was being delivered as we are closing early on Christmas Eve and they said that we were already for delivery on January 3rd! They have a call in to Miramax now. Miramax is scrambling to get this print out after receiving numerous Golden Globe nominations yesterday.

Why do they have to pull this shit now!? Ky was practically to his parent's house when he received the call. They should have had their act together a month ago. They always seem to pull this shit. And they threatened us as well with giving the print to someone else. I wish we had the guts to call their bluff. They should give us something for this; all the co-op or free print shipping or something.

How can the Weinstein's have such a good company yet have their collective head stuffed up their assholes so far?

Also, Miramax in pulling this stunt has guaranteed that they will not get a review in the local newspaper.


 


Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 12-21-2001, 02:19 PM:
 
This caused me some trouble as well, as the print of BANDITS i was expecting will be held over at its current location until christmas day and I get to keep RUSH HOUR 2.

Like either is any better.

Dave
 


Posted by John T. Hendrickson, Jr (Member # 849) on 12-21-2001, 07:51 PM:
 
Latest from my neck of the woods is that the print will be delivered on the 24th. It better be, because if it doesn't make it by the time I leave the booth at 4:00PM, it isn't going to be playing on Christmas Day. I don't have an operator scheduled on Chistmas Day who is capable of making up the print, and I'm damed if I'm going to change my whole schedule around to accommodate Harvey Weinstein, nor am I going to wreck my holiday to come in and do it.
 
Posted by John Anastasio (Member # 607) on 12-21-2001, 09:39 PM:
 
I heard that Miramax called them all in because they decided to make an editorial change before the final release. They've made about 5 minutes worth of cuts to change what seemed to be an incestuous relationship. Ryan in the original version has the affair, then sends him back to the past so that she doesn't disappear in the 21st century...made it look like she was making it with an honorable ancestor (as Charlie Chan would say)! It's been altered to remove that inference. I understand that the aim is to make it more palatable to a female audience, since it seems that LOTR is attracting a lot more women than they thought and they'd like to capitalize on that while the going is good.
 
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 12-22-2001, 10:43 AM:
 
ACNielsen EDI now has the correct release date for Kate & Leopold. Maybe somebody at EDI lurks on Film-Tech.


 


Posted by Michael Elam (Member # 788) on 12-24-2001, 11:44 AM:
 
I saw this movie at Showeast, I thought it was good but nothing special,another You've Got Mail type...Miramax was ravening about
40 Days and 40 Nights which I thought was a waste of film and money,
just another American Pie type.
 
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 12-26-2001, 10:57 AM:
 
Ian: UA got a taste of the "Miramax Shuffle" too. The UA East Hampton was supposed to open The Shipping News on Xmas Day but was given In the Bedroom instead. As with Ian's theater the switcheroo came too late to change newspaper listings.

The Royal Tenenbaums breaks semi-wide this Friday and wide 1/4. Disney is handling The Royal Tenenbaums a lot better than Miramax is handling In the Bedroom.
 


Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 12-26-2001, 12:51 PM:
 
Incidentally, RUSHMORE was released in a similar manner to ROYAL TENENBAUMS, just not so spead out.
I believe it came out very limited for two weeks during the holidays, then had a bigger limites release in late January/early February.
I wonder if Wes Anderson (Director) likes to do this, or if its something Disney just wants to do.
 
Posted by John T. Hendrickson, Jr (Member # 849) on 12-28-2001, 07:42 PM:
 
Okay, so the cans and reels for the print arived today. Does this mean we all kiss and make up with Mirimax? The "right thing to do" would be for Mirimax to send out a letter to everyone this has inconvenienced saying they were sorry and thanking everyone for their help in getting Kate and Leopold up and running on Christmas Day. Are there any Mirimax execs lurking here? Don't hold your breath on either account.
 
Posted by Josh Kirkhart (Member # 1046) on 01-01-2002, 01:19 AM:
 
The problems with "Kate and Leopold".

Recieve booking for sneaks on 'Kate and Leopold' for friday and saturday, and 'joe somebody'for sunday.
No print for 'kate' friday, it shows up sat morning (in a box, no cans) with 'joe somebody'. In the afternoon while building 'kate', I am informed joe somebody is here, huh. Two prints for a sneak, and we still don't know why we got two prints we only opened one the following friday.
Sunday rolls around and we get a fax to break 'kate down', send it back. Fast forward and we recieve the print on my one and only day off, Sunday. Ok, cool I can do this and split early on Christmas eve.
My manager informs me we are opening it in a small Dts-Dolby auditorium. Ok where are the dts discs, none are enclosed? I am informed that dts is not sending out any discs for the restructured print. Fine I'll tech it with the old dts discs that I retreived from a local megaplex that had a screening, no reason the prints time code would change right, I'm a dumbass. The discs don't synch in so I tech it in dolby thru a Ulta Stereo processor and spend the next two hours fiddling and reseting the sound to make it sound enjoyable. It had a small wave in the background noise, informed my tech and he came in to replace the sound pot, which took care of 90% of the wave.
This movie has been the worst experience and the most horrible presentation I've ever let happen. Although it showed me a lot of improvements can be made at this theater starting with thumping and recallibrating all the speakers and just basically clean like a madman. I love film and do my best to present in a beautiful manner but it is very hard when you work for a company that only cares if your on-screen. Sorry for my rambling! Happy new year!! Must now go to bed or my wife will kill me. 'night
 


Posted by Heyward Garner (Member # 722) on 01-12-2002, 04:01 AM:
 
BI*CHES!
I hate that Mirimax did this to us... My print shows up TWENTY minutes before the show goes on... Pressure is on me, because our city manager is in the theatre pushing for me to have the show on, on schedule... I open my BOX and find cores, no reels... And all tails. Normally, I would be ok, but they HAD to know that I was lacking any means of utilizing a 6,000 reel to build backwards onto. I would have rigged something, had I the time... Talk about working hard, I had the reels ---CORES rewound and attached and on-screen in time for the show, with the help of one of our assistant managers. I'd rather them of not sent the damn print at all... I just had a similar dilemma with Snow Dogs... AHHHHHH!
 
Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 01-13-2002, 01:24 PM:
 
Saw K&L a couple days ago. Was surprised it was running in SR (or the DTS equivalent), not digital (was showing on a DTS-only screen). I complained to the manager, reply is "They never sent out new DTS discs for the new print". Seems like a dumb-ass thing to do, especially since this much time has elapsed since the changes, and they are heavily promoting the movie on TV right now. Why no new discs?

-dave

 


Posted by Will Morrow (Member # 792) on 01-26-2002, 08:41 PM:
 
SR = DTS ???
SRD = DTS maybe, but I was not aware that SR was DTS' equivalent. Please clarify.

Thanks.
 


Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 01-26-2002, 09:18 PM:
 
Somebody else may need to help out with this. If a screen is DTS-only, and they don't have the discs, it uses the SR optical soundtrack. They would have to have a processor that can handle the SR analog format. This particular theater has DTS playback units, but I think they use some other non-DTS cinema processor for optical soundtracks, but I'm not sure what it is.

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- dave
Stay away from the meadow...


 


Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 01-27-2002, 09:41 PM:
 
>>SR = DTS ???
SRD = DTS maybe, but I was not aware that SR was DTS' equivalent. Please clarify.<<

'SR' stands for 'Spectral Recording' (not 'surround', as many seem to believe), a noise reduction and headroom boosting process developed by Dolby and first used in 1987 on the film 'Innerspace' It is somewhat backwards-compatible with Dolby A-type noise reduction, however the reverse is NOT the case.

'SRD' stands for 'Spectral Recording-Digital' This was the original name given to the sound format now commonly known as 'Dolby Digital'.

DTS has no connections to either format, a quad-format print will have Dolby Digital (SRD), SDDS, DTS, and a SR track. If the film is encoded with Dolby Digital, its analog track will *always* be Dolby SR (IIRC it's a licensing issue to insure that the analog track is SR rather than A-Type)

Early DTS-only films (All Universal titles from 'Jurassic Park' to 'For Better Or Worse' and most MGM films up to 1997 or so, (Bond titles excepted-they have quad-format tracks)) had a DTS-branded A-Type compatible analog soundtrack (the 'DTS Stereo' logo usually seen in the end credits of a film). Later MGM titles used a DTS-branded SR-Compatible analog format.

-Aaron

 


Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 03-15-2002, 08:32 AM:
 
Bumping this up top for Matt Close.
 
Posted by Charles Everett (Member # 889) on 06-26-2002, 11:48 AM:
 
All's well that ends well: Kate & Leopold is now out on DVD with the original sneak preview version and the edited theatrical version. The sneak preview version is billed as the "Director's Cut".
 




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