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Posted by Grant Davies (Member # 579) on 12-24-2001, 12:31 AM:
We are currently looking at fitting all four kinoton FP 30E projectors with Kinoton Ionisation cleaners. After contacting our supplier for a list of people in Australia who have them (To go look at, see and ask how well they work or don't) they said that they don't know of anyone in Australia who has one yet. So I ask the might of the forum for any opinions on the ability of the cleaning system.
We only have a particle problem that you would normally associate with nylon bands and gates, the occasional outside fibre etc and just plain dirty prints. Being as we are down the chain a little.
Grant
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 12-24-2001, 03:39 AM:
What the heck is an ionisation cleaner? Sounds more expensive than a media cleaner.
Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 12-24-2001, 04:41 AM:
The units consist of a cleaner that promotes a charge on the filmstock to attract the dirt, and with soft brushes, cleans off the particles. The manufacturer is Kinetronics based in Germany and The U.S. they are also used in film labs. They are not cheap and they are not good in cleaning any oil based grime ( which will also foul the brushes ).
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com
Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 12-24-2001, 08:29 AM:
The Kinoton cleaner is the Kinetronics cleaner with Kinoton's badge on it.As a maintanence cleaner, they are just fine. They will keep the dust off. In addition to the electrostatic dischage, they have a blower and filter to draw the dirt off to which it gets trapped in the filter (changable).
As Richard states, they won't do you much good on oily dirt nor heavy dirt. They merely keep things nice from the get-go. Malco theatres in the US uses them and likes them. We had one customer try it and liked it. They DO NOT cure static problems on prints...before the film gets back to the platter it will have picked up the static charge again for the next show.
Where I would like them is on reel-to-reel operations (or for archival films that can't have chemicals added) but other than that, the media cleaner with Film-Guard can't be beat.
Steve
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Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 12-24-2001, 12:04 PM:
Okay, then, this sounds like what was used (in conjunction with PTRs) on some of the older Imax and Imax Dome projectors.
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 12-24-2001, 03:07 PM:
A lot of the older Imax machines used a rotating set of brushes connected to a vacum and a antistatic bar
I believe they were made in LA and they are still very popular in labs
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 12-27-2001, 01:40 PM:
The ionization is usually provided by a high voltage AC corona discharge or by a radioactive material like Polonium. Creating positive and negative air ions temporarily makes the air conductive, allowing any charge on the film to dissipate and not hold dust:
http://www.photo-services.com/kinetronics%202.html
http://simco-static.com/simco/applications.asp
http://www.2spi.com/catalog/photo/statmaster.html As noted, these cleaners can be effective in removing loose dirt particles, but won't remove embedded or oily dirt.
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Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 12-27-2001, 04:01 PM:
SanLab system also manufactures Static master products especially for telecine, printing and projection equipment http://www.sanlabsystems.com/staticmaster.html
They also make excellent PTR's
Posted by Antonio Marcheselli (Member # 373) on 12-27-2001, 07:27 PM:
We use Kinetronic cleaner in one of our theater. I noted that it has to be clean daily. If dust will accumulate into the cleaner, it will start to redistribute the dust on the print with bad result.
To have the cleaner working properly you'll have to clean daily the inside of the cleaner and clean the brushes with a vacuum or similar.
Since the cleaner's vacuum is not powerful, if dust will reimain in the brushes or in the cleaner it will be redistribute on the print when exit from the cleaner.
Clean the cleaner's filter is not enough.Bye
Antonio