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Posted by Eli Blasingame (Member # 1052) on 02-18-2002, 10:41 PM:
 
Why is it when I go home, it all falls apart. I have two handler's that can brake anything, just by walking by it. One leaves marks on new films and the other always has a brain raps. Not like just one here and there ,but all the time. Like in one week, three times. Hell I've only had maybe three in 11 years. And there are more,but I dont have the time to list them. help plz , help me.
I've made mistakes ,but not like this. Eli
 
Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 02-18-2002, 10:56 PM:
 
When the entire class fails one usually looks to the teacher.
 
Posted by Eli Blasingame (Member # 1052) on 02-18-2002, 11:12 PM:
 
yes, this is ture, but I myself don't cut corners and I take pride in giving a good show. Our tech and myself have work on and on with these guys and still. and its just, I feel they they don't care.
I don't know????
 
Posted by Paul Harnden (Member # 1034) on 02-18-2002, 11:31 PM:
 
Now is it evident that they don't care? I used to be a pretty stressful guy when starting out and called my manager a lot. He layed down these rules:
If I had any questions, ask him while he was around otherwise he would just go home and screen his calls. If it was a dire emergency (projector exploding, alien invasion, nuclear holocaust) then he'd prolly pick it up. But if it was a simple brainwrap or misthread he'd leave it to myself to fix. Sure this sounds wrong if they haven't had the proper training (train them then). Yet if they have and keep on messing up then it's prolly a good idea to look for and train someone else.
 
Posted by Eli Blasingame (Member # 1052) on 02-18-2002, 11:50 PM:
 
yes, I can kick them out and put them back as popcorn pushers, but that puts me there 24/7, I have hired a new guy and he acts like he can do it ,but he's only two days on the job. and what if he's like the other two?
 
Posted by Stan Gunn (Member # 554) on 02-18-2002, 11:50 PM:
 
Dump the worst, it will send a message to the other, if that fails hire two new staff.

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Posted by Eli Blasingame (Member # 1052) on 02-18-2002, 11:56 PM:
 
I wish, I could. and yes, carbons are cool
 
Posted by Paul Harnden (Member # 1034) on 02-19-2002, 12:11 AM:
 
Eli,

Do you work for a large chain such as Regal or Loews? If so check the other area theatres that are within the company and see if a possible transfer of possibly better projectionists can take place. If not, well you're gonna have to come down on the worst as Stan mentioned and make an example.
 


Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 02-19-2002, 12:33 AM:
 
Brain raps, huh?
I'd like to hear M.C. Payout sometime.
Or maybe Grandmaster Feed Control.
 
Posted by Eli Blasingame (Member # 1052) on 02-19-2002, 12:43 AM:
 
ok , SO I was writing to fast, and do not spell it right.
thx, MC funny guy. opps/ I suck
 
Posted by Eli Blasingame (Member # 1052) on 02-19-2002, 12:47 AM:
 
opps, so I was writing to fast and do not spell wrap right
thx, MC funny guy , well I suck
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 02-19-2002, 12:51 AM:
 
Looks like you were submitting posts a bit too fast tonight too.
 
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 02-19-2002, 07:27 AM:
 
One suggestion would be to develop a "cirriculum" for your projectionists --- provide educational material (e.g., Film-Tech "Tips" articles, Kodak "Cinema Notes", SMPTE Projection Manual) and then TEST them on their knowledge. Likewise, visit the projection room during a normal shift and observe their operating procedures, gently pointing out errors. If they are not corrected, take further action (less desireable shifts, no raise, dismissal). Keep track of major problems (shows lost, prints damaged, customer-reported problems with misframes, bad focus, wrong lens, etc.) and PLOT and POST them. Likewise, PLOT and POST good reports, and reward them.

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Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 02-19-2002, 07:46 AM:
 
Eli lamented:
>I feel they they don't care

Fire or demote them. Priority #1 is that they must care. If they don't then you are wasting your time with them and should find someone who does. You can teach anyone to be a good operator provided they care first. Maybe you can find some who is a film student or plans to become one and can be instilled with the pride of showmanship that leads to a desire to do a good job.
 


Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 02-19-2002, 08:22 AM:
 
When employees are not doing their jobs well, the easy out is to blame the employee. I never blame the employee. If the job performance is consistently poor, then you have to blame the manager. Either one of two things is happening -- he is hasn't trained, or hasn't motivate or hasn't been firm enough with that employee. And if he has done all those things and the employee still is performing below par, then it is STILL The manager's fault because he hasn't fired that employee. Either way, you have to lay it at the manager's feet.

If, after all the good management points that John has enumerated are implemented, these guys STILL ruin shows and show no signs of an attitude correction, then it's time to document their lack of attention to the job and have them replaced. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and accept the fact that they are just not right for the job. Did they sign up for work as "film handlers" or were they hired as concessionaires or ushers? If so, what makes management think that they automatically qualify or have any desire to work at a job that is totally unrelated to the job they applied for when they first walked into the theatre? Maybe they enjoyed their stint as ticket-taker or whatever. Now they are told they have to do a job that is more stressful, requires more skill and perhaps not at all to their liking....all things management probably hasn't considered.

Maybe this problem is severe enough that you can use it to open management's eyes to the fact that not everyone has the talent or the desire to work projection. Maybe this will make them understand that perhaps they should consider HIRING TRAINED PROJECTIONISTS to run projectors -- people with the aptitude and a desire to actually do that job.
 


Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-19-2002, 01:24 PM:
 
There are some people who cannot adapt to the projection booth or its related equipment.

In other areas, those same people may perform a top-notched job. Maybe an aptitude test would prove valuable for a certain job consideration.

It is like a college professor who cannot run or is not qualified to run a 16mm classroom projector. Seen those type a million times over.


 


Posted by Geoffrey Weiss (Member # 882) on 02-19-2002, 01:46 PM:
 
Paul:

As a college professor teaching film criticism, I only wish we HAD 16mm (or better yet, 35mm) to run the films on. Instead, we're forced to use (mostly) DVDs and crappy LCD projectors. The images were worse when we were using VHS. No one consulted the film faculty on what WE might like when they did the installation.

On the original topic, lack of care is why I rarely go to the multiplex anymore. Alack! There's no more SHOW in show business. It's better if I don't have to deal with the concession staff, who act as if they might just as well be working at a fast food joint. Fortunately I know several of the local projectionists and can visit the theatre when I know they'll be working and the presentation, at least, will be good.

Of course, the pay is one factor in the quality of the staff. Pay is why I'm no longer working in exhibition--not that I make much more as a college teacher. I agree that people should take pride in their work regardless of what they're paid, but nobody does, and businesses shouldn't be relying on pride as a substitute for decent wages anyway.


 


Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-19-2002, 04:03 PM:
 
Hi, Geoffrey

I got a laugh out of the first paragraph of your post. I agree with everything you say.

I also think you agree with what I mentioned about people not being able to adapt to the job. One of many instances come to mind on this one.....we tried to train some people in the booth, and even though they were well motivated and really wanted to do it right, they just could not get it, even though we spent weeks at it to try to help them break through the brick wall, so to speak.

In high school, I was in the movie projector club. It was funny to be called into a classroom and see the film tangled in a knot around a 16 mm B&H Filmosound 500. It looked like they were wrapping the projector up for a Christmas present. Some teachers were desperately afraid of those projectors. This allowed us kids in the MP club to skip classes to run a movie in the girl's PE classes.

Now, THAT was a good deal..

I have attended a couple of college classes from time to time several years ago, and it was like watching a monkey in a banana factory when some of the professors made their attempts to run a 16 mm projector. But when it came to teaching their subject, they really knew their stuff!


 


Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 02-19-2002, 04:28 PM:
 
I'm currently working on a three-tier projection class. The first would be training people just to thread and start; the second to make-up, break-down and simple maintaince (vhange bulbs); and third actual service work, which they can get paid extra for, also third-tier people are the only ones OK'ed to train new people. There's more to it all than just this, but that's the general idea.

The idea is not to spend too much time training a person who can't learn projection; show them a little, then see how they do. Also, I need to somehow put a stop to people who don't know much, teaching new employees bad habits.

I agree with Frank and Paul; some otherwise smart people just can't do projection - their talents are elsewhere.
 


Posted by Geoffrey Weiss (Member # 882) on 02-19-2002, 05:31 PM:
 
I really like your idea, John. Frankly, Paul, most of my colleagues would probably get their fingers pulled into the sprockets if they tried to run 16mm projectors. They're very book-smart (I'm probably one of the dumber ones), but they have little common or mechanical sense. In the words of Clint Eastwood (the subject of my dissertation), "A man's got to know his limitations."

John's idea takes into account of the fact that, to paraphrase Shakespeare, "Some are born to projection. Others have projection Thrust upon them." I'm just glad I have the chance to learn from everybody on film-tech. Believe me, there's plenty of stuff on these pages I carry into the classroom (see, for example, the discussion on the quality of carbon arc light vs. xenon--something I hadn't really thought much about until it came up here.)

PS. Let me know if the quotes and paraphrases get annoying. I'm trying to break myself of the academic writing style!
 


Posted by Eli Blasingame (Member # 1052) on 02-22-2002, 02:00 AM:
 
I would like to say thx to all of you for your help. Well, it is ture that it is hard to work with someone who was just doing a great job selling popcorn and now get moved up into the booth. I just feel that the floor managers think we make up the stories about the stress of running the shows. They think we say those things to keep them away. Well I replaced one with, a kid just out of the Army and I hope he is as good as i think he can be. He acts like he likes it and he has the eye for it, but its only been 2 days. no more hiring off the floor for me.
well thx all , and hope to hear more from you all.
And yes the key to being a pro is by training and we will be doing alot of that. If you have any good ideals, well write back. I can use all the help I can get. Eli

 




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