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Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 02-27-2002, 03:19 PM:
Is the answer to simply vacum out the lamphouse and install a new bulb?
Posted by Jeff Taylor (Member # 443) on 02-27-2002, 03:21 PM:
That kinda depends on whether it took the mirror, douser, shutter, etc with it when it departed.
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 02-27-2002, 03:30 PM:
No.When a fuse blows in an electrical appliance, you don't (if you've got any sense) just replace it and carry on regardless. You attempt to identify why it blew, because 9 times out of 10 the fuse blowing is a symptom of an underlying problem (the tenth time it's an innocent power surge on the incoming supply, but never rely on that being the case). Replace the fuse without finding out what caused it to blow, and at the very least you'll get the same result again, but you also run the risk that next time the damage will be more severe.
The same applies to lamps - the main difference being that blowing up lamps all the time is pretty expensive compared to fuses. I'm assuming that your lamphouse mirror is still in one piece and that the igniter unit appears to be undamaged. In this case then at the very least inspect all circuit boards, connectors &c. visually for any obvious signs of damage. If you can't identify any obvious reason why it blew (e.g. the extract fan failed, or it's done about 30,000 hours), I'd suggest calling an engineer in.
The one exploding lamp I ever had when I was a projectionist was eventually traced to a faulty ammeter - basically, it was saying 60 amps when in reality and without knowing it, we were running it at 100-110. Needless to say this was not obvious when we cleared up the wreckage from the explosion, but if we hadn't kept investigating until we got to the bottom of the matter we'd have blown up another lamp.
So my advice would be, make every effort to find out what caused the explosion.
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 02-27-2002, 03:34 PM:
One thing that's often neglected after a lamp explosion is trying to determine WHY it happened. Was the cooling adequate? Were the connections good? Was the lamp being run at excessive current? Is the ammeter properly calibrated? Is there excessive current ripple? Was the lamp well beyond it's warranteed life? What was the practice for shut-down/cool-down? Keeping a well-documented maintenance log is very important to these efforts.------------------
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Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 02-27-2002, 04:17 PM:
Leo, that's what I thought. But according to our tech service, 'that's not their job' and we should just 'vacum it out and put a new bulb in.'Course these things always happen on my day off, so the bulb's already been replace. Apparantly the mirror was intact but the douser was toast. Oh well, geuss you really don't need that anyway, right?
Sometimes I don't even know why I try.
Posted by Pete Naples (Member # 761) on 02-27-2002, 04:38 PM:
I hear all these people tell me about bulbs exploding, and you know something, in 12 or so years I have had it happen to me once, while I was installing a new lamp in a new machine. I can only assume it had been dropped in transit to site. I've always thought that lamps exploding in operation was one of those projectionists 'old wives tales'. None of my service sites have ever told me of exploding lamps either. Must make one hell of a bang if one goes hot though!I second Leo's comment, these things do not randomly explode, besides the obvious mechanical damage to the mirror etc, there's got to be some underlying cause.
Posted by Will Kutler (Member # 770) on 02-27-2002, 04:49 PM:
Dustin,This topic has been discussed before. Leo and John are also correct.
To add to the list:
Bulbs should be inspected for damage or defects prior to installation. Also, applying excessive torque while installing may damage the quartz (bulb manufacturers talk about this)
Another possibility could be that the lamp house door was opened prior to the required cool down time.
I only had a bulb explode on me once. This is when I was lifting a brand new Perkin Elmer out of its box, it exploded in my had and made me jump a little
. Thank God I was wearing the required safety gear and the bulb still had on it's protective wrapping!
Posted by Dustin Mitchell (Member # 372) on 02-27-2002, 04:57 PM:
Oh, I'm fairly certain I know why the lamp blew. One of two things, or possibly a combination of both:1) The autostrike board in this lamphouse (Strong Super Lume-X) has been non-functional for quite some time, thus necessitating the operator to always manually ignite the lamp by depressing the strike button at the top of the lamphouse. If I understand things correctly this put stress on the bulb. The parts to fix this have been sitting at the theatre for quite some time, but our service company almost never comes out on regular service calls.
2) I suspect the ampmeter was defective-as was Leo's case. It reads 60 Amps no matter how high or low the power supply is turned up. I brought it up to my tech during the last service call, but he said it was fine.
*Stalks off muttering about how no one ever listens to him*
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-27-2002, 06:24 PM:
Dustin, as far as manual ignition is concerned, it would be stressful on the lamp if whoever was pressing the button gets a little carried away on how long it is held in.The ammeter mis-calibration has merit. I have seen some that were as far off as 15 amps.
Most service techs will not sweep out the lamphouse. Nor will they change the bulb. Reason is, if the bulb blows up, there is just too much "finger pointing" on whose fault it was.
If MTS does your service work, it is their policy NOT to change xenon bulbs. I have to side with MTS on that one. Don't get angry with your tech. He is simply following orders.
Paul
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 02-27-2002, 07:06 PM:
Before changeing the lamp discharge the filter capacitors in the rectifier as they probably charged up to the full boost voltage when the lamp failed and produced an open circuit
Posted by Peter Kerchinsky (Member # 1098) on 02-27-2002, 09:45 PM:
The person with the bulb that exploded never said how many hours of what size that bulb was.
I believe he has a Super Lumex lamp which is probably good for about 2500 to 3000 hours. For us, that's pushing a horizontal Christie CXL-20R. Anything above those hours usually causes problems.
That manual strike button on top of the lamphouse should be hit "gently" and not held down for any long period. We have found that also causes problems and try to keep the lamp in top shape to prevent using it.
Usually what I do when a bulb explodes is: 1. run like hell out of the booth. That;s got to be the loudest boom I've ever heard. 2. Change my pants then proceed back into the booth. (Just kidding)
Go Mariners!
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 02-27-2002, 09:53 PM:
THe manual ignitor on a strong is perfectly safe on the lamp as long as one releases it as soon as it ignites the same is true for any lamphouse as the Ignition voltage is the same
I have often felt that a longer pulse that actually lights the lamp is better than a row of short ones that don't
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-27-2002, 10:19 PM:
I have to completely agree with Gordon.
Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 02-27-2002, 10:47 PM:
"I have often felt that a longer pulse that actually lights the lamp is better than a row of short ones that don't"Why?
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-28-2002, 12:18 AM:
Jerry, somewhere I heard one ignition attempt is equivalent to 3/4 of an hour running time. How true it is, I really don't know. That's what I have been told, anyway.
Posted by Pete Naples (Member # 761) on 02-28-2002, 09:55 AM:
One of my Super Lume-X sites uses, has always used, and will always use the 'emergency ignition' button. The T&R rectifier they have only gives about 80v OCV, which won't flip the Zener, I offered to change the Zener, but they were happy with pushing the button, they have done this for the last ten or more years, bulb life has never been a problem, they can run a 2Kw to well over 2500 hours, they don't as a rule, but did it a couple of times to prove the point. In short the manual ignition won't adversely affect bulb life is used properly.I've heard varying opinions on how much life each strike takes, anything between 30 mins and 2 hours! Look at it this way, the striker produces a very high frequency HV pulse, We strive to get the AC ripple from our rectifiers down as low as can be, as we all know that AC ripple causes flicker, but it also causes electrode damage to the lamp, so hitting in with 50,000v of RF doesn't do it any real favours either I would think.
Posted by Joseph Pandolfi (Member # 223) on 03-01-2002, 01:34 PM:
I almost had one blow Tuesday night (2/26) waiting for Crossroads to end when my hand almost got burned resting on a Christie Xenon-lite 2Kw lamphouse. The stack fan quit during the show. I quicky grabbed the spare rectifier squirrel cage fan and mounted on top of the lamphouse and plugged it in when the show ended. The booth temprature shot up about 10 degrees. Then I had to run one more show after that.
Posted by Darren Briggs (Member # 1071) on 03-02-2002, 04:01 PM:
Xenons blowing can make you very weary about lamps and lamphouses.
As mentioned above by Leo, (he was my chief when this happend) our blew due to us over running the lamp, we had a amazing picture and we were in the middle of sorting out why lamps only lasted 1000 hours before you couldnt see the flame in the xenon due to the envelope being black, then the lamp went whilst i was stood at the left hand side of the lamp house.
Another college fled the projection box whislt the lamphouse started to look more like a steam train with black smoke coming out from the extract fan! I dashed to the distridution panel to shut of the power, then we all went to the pub downstairs to calm our nerves for an hour.
It can be a scary noise when one blows and the mess it can make is unbeliveable. Both in and outside of the lamphouse.I know of people who say you don't need to worry about them exploding and face masks etc just get in your way. But I would say don't even touch a lamp without protection. Leo had one blow in his hands when putting it away in it's box. Saying that it was one that we had 'nuked' with 100 amps for 1000 hours.
Luckly it was just the mirror which got marked in our lamphouse.
(Cinemeccanica Zenith 2000H)
I can make 2k lamps last 3000 hours in our other 3 Cinemeccanica CX16H's by rotating every 500 hours.Thats twice as long as there warranty. How does everyone else do??
Darren
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 03-04-2002, 02:07 AM:
Thanks Darren...One other point: when you do clear up the mess, be sure to wear the full 'Iron Giant' costume (i.e. jacket, visor and gloves) when hoovering up the mess and cleaning out the lamphouse, even when dealing with cold lamp debris. I'd also be inclined to wear a face mask too (like the smog masks over your mouth which some cyclists wear). The quartz envelope can shatter into really tiny fragments and if they either pierce your skin or are accidently inhaled then at the very least it'll be extremely painful, and could actually do you some serious damage.
BTW, the anode cores make great paperweights! 
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 03-04-2002, 03:27 AM:
For a period in 1997, I blew up nine 7kW bulbs of several manufactures in a period of 2 weeks. I was trying to find out the why a certain manufacturerer's (no longer in biz)lamps were failing prematurely. After the explosions, I then tuned the theater's audio systems...
My peers were affraid to be near me when I did the tests and called me "killer".... Since I was head of engineering, I guess the title fit! 
>>> Phil
Posted by Bernard Tonks (Member # 809) on 03-04-2002, 05:25 AM:
My worst explosion was with a 2k Osram during a show which shattered the mirror into a million pieces and bent the fan axis beyond further use. The noise of the bang and plume of black smoke was unbelievable and I did in fact suffer from shock until I was able to move the programme to continue on No 2 projector. I sent the remains, the anode and cathode being green in colour to Osram although the bulb had clocked just 700 hours, they did send a free replacement. Our last bulb just died in silence and intact, average lamp life here is 2,500 hours.