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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 06-28-2002, 05:56 PM:
 
One of the Xenon lamps I installed in May is dead after about a month of operation.

The metal ends of the lamp are clean...like new.

The bulb itself is another story. It is 100% black-and-blue inside (it is impossible to see the electrodes).

What could have caused this?

Lamp type: PerkinElmer XM2000HTP
Console: Christie CC20-CH20 (or CH20-CC20?)


 


Posted by Steven Gorsky (Member # 603) on 06-28-2002, 06:21 PM:
 
Have a look at the topic titled "HELP!! Black and blue bulbs" - there's even a picture of a failed lamp, it's on page 32 right now - last time it was posted to was January 15, 2002.

Basically it was decided that it was caused by seal failure and/or poor cooling.

Steven Gorsky


 


Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 06-28-2002, 06:22 PM:
 
Sounds like it got too hot and blew a seal. Check the bulb seal blowers in the lamphouse and the roof exhaust fan for proper operation (cleanliness of the blower fins and that the motor is spinning fast enough).

 
Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 06-28-2002, 06:32 PM:
 
I had a theatre that was going through xenons like candy. They swore up and down that the fans were all running and there was enough air flow.

I went there and took the cover off the back of the lamphouse (Xetron) and there were just clods of dust bunnies clogging up the tube. I bet they hadn't been cleaned out in years. I got the shop vac and cleaned them out. They haven't had any trouble ever since.
 


Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 06-28-2002, 07:01 PM:
 
I cleaned out the blower intake today when I changed the bulb. I've seen worse (in this same building) but it was kind-of clogged. I used a flat-head screwdriver to scrape the dust off of the blades.
 
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 06-28-2002, 07:17 PM:
 
Manny, check your duct work and exhaust fan. It could have a slipping, broken, or out of adjustment belt. The impeller in that fan could also be cruddy.


 


Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 06-28-2002, 07:22 PM:
 
Good thinking. I will ask the airconditioning company to come in and inspect the exhaust.

When I scraped the dust-bunnies off of the squirrel cage intake earlier today...something I did not do was oil the motor. I haven't worked for this chain in about 2 years so I have no idea when was the last time the motor was oiled.

Although...I can say that I know it's spinning and that air is moving through the tubes. At least I remembered to checked that.


 


Posted by Michael Rourke (Member # 1142) on 06-28-2002, 10:29 PM:
 
Manny, use a toothbrush instead of a screwdriver on the squirrel cage to avoid breaking or bending any of the blades, also be careful not to break off any counerweights on the squirrel cage.

The intake motors should be cleaned thoroughly every time you change the bulb and the motor should be oiled every 6 months.

I service the exhaust fans every 2 years because they are suspended above each lamphouse, but if yours are on the roof or somewhere that is easily accessible then I would bump it up to every year.


 


Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 06-28-2002, 11:41 PM:
 
Actually, if possible, remove the blower from the lamphouse and remove the impeller. I use "Simple Green", 409, or AP-10 and warm water to clean them. I found Simple Green as a raw solution works the best. It'll get the impeller clean in the matter of seconds. All that you need to do is just slosh the impeller around in the solution, and that should do the trick. Then be sure to clean the impeller housing because there is also a ton of crap that collects in there, too. Be absolutely sure you get it all out of there!

I use compressed air (where possible) to blow the dirt out of the motor, and then oil it with SAE 20 non-detergent motor oil, or whatever the motor manufacturer recommends. If it calls for two drops, use two drops and not three. Don't use the thought "If two is good, three is better." It does not work that way.... It'll throw it out of the bearing, and possibly wind up as an oil deposite on the xenon bulb.


I generally do not support the idea of using a toothbrush, screwdriver, or anything like that for cleaning the squirrel cage, simply because all the dirt is dislodged and will usually fall into the blower housing. In addition to that, as mentioned in a previous post, it is very easy to dislodge and lose the balance weights. When the motor is started, all the dirt that fell into the housing will fly out and deposite itself on the mirror, xenon bulb, and other parts as well. Since this accumulation of dirt also has oil in it, a small deposite on the xenon bulb may cause it to blow up.

Seen it happen......unfortunately.


 


Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 06-29-2002, 01:25 AM:
 
In my humble opinion it is the standard PE/ORC mode of failure that doesn't include a big bang

 
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 06-29-2002, 01:28 AM:
 
Yeah Gordon...They just go "Pbpthbpthbthp!"
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-26-2002, 03:42 PM:
 
Well, well, well...

...You'll NEVER guess what happened...

Another one down! Same lamp house.

My supplier will be sending an Ushio just in case I got hold of some bad PerkinElmer (ORC) lamps. I suppose if the Ushio dies then we'll have to look closely at the machine.

In the meantime, is there something we should be checking right away to rule out a problem with the lamp house?

Tell me something about Ushio lamps: I've never used them. I know that they make Christie lamps, but are Christie's and Ushio's identical or does Ushio make something else for the Christie brand?


 


Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 07-26-2002, 04:13 PM:
 
Ushio is the parent of Christie......
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-26-2002, 04:47 PM:
 
I'm wondering if the use of different brands means anything here...?

For instance: I think Lexus and Toyota are the same company...but there's a decided difference between the level of quality with which each brand is associated.
 


Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 07-26-2002, 07:08 PM:
 
I would not like to buy a low end Lexus to impress anyone....why pay $10,000 more for a Toyota Camry in a "dress kit" or the mid size Jaguar on a Ford Mustang chassis.....in a finite market such as cinema supplies it would be a waste for Ushio to have a different quality vs Christie branded items. In the testing phase if a bulb is defective at the factory level parts are actually recycled and reworked as necessary due to the hand work involved in making xenon bulbs.
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc. www.tvpmiami.com
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-26-2002, 08:48 PM:
 
Thanks. I got a good chuckle out of that.

And, most important, I understand now.

So, now, I'm really looking forward to getting my Ushio bulb. I've heard so many good things about them. I can't wait to experience the wondrous joy of an Ushio/Christie bulb for myself.
 






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