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Posted by Adam Wilbert (Member # 1184) on 06-30-2002, 09:05 PM:
Is it possible to burn a custom DTS disc to include trailers from several different sources? We run a first-and-a-half run theatre and sometimes would like to run trailers for a confirmed new-for-us second run show in combination with national upcoming features. I have all the hardware, i'm just not sure how to tell which track on the DTS disc is the audio for a specific trailer, if its even possible.-adam
Posted by Josh Jones (Member # 447) on 06-30-2002, 09:42 PM:
Just bumped up the topic "DTS and Policy trailors" for you.Josh
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 07-01-2002, 12:33 AM:
Adam, here is what Karen from DTS said on eh DTS trailer files - can they be bla bla bla .....
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No Mike, the trailers are complied into one file (Reel 14) and you cannot extract just one.
Karen at DTSThe trailer disc is a subscribed disc that the studios sign up for and the disc is always changing.
Movie discs are a different story. A studio will let us a film but only wants trailers from THEIR upcoming films on it. They don't want other studios' films on their discs.
The feature discs belong to the studios, not DTS. However, the trailer discws belong to us.
Karen at DTS
Posted by John Hawkinson (Member # 1135) on 07-01-2002, 12:37 AM:
It's certainly possible, Paul. We do it here all the time; see my link in "do you prefer DTS or Dolby?" on page 8.--jhawk
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 07-01-2002, 02:15 AM:
Thanks, John. But that topic is 8 pages long, and I don't think my feeble mind (what's left of it) can handle that many pages. 
Not this morning, anyway. 
Oh, Jeeze....you said page 8. <slapping myself silly>
Posted by Adam Wilbert (Member # 1184) on 07-01-2002, 04:10 PM:
Paul, I read what Karen wrote, but i took that as meaning that the trailers included on the feature discs were one track, but that the trailer discs were compiled differently. I'll have to check out John's link.
Posted by Karen Hultgren (Member # 395) on 07-01-2002, 08:09 PM:
Adam,All trailers are compiled into one file - reel 14. There is no way to extract them once complied together (when they are all lumped together into one file).
Karen at DTS
khultgren@dtsonline.com
Posted by Karen Hultgren (Member # 395) on 07-01-2002, 08:10 PM:
All trailers are reel 14.Karen at DTS
khultgren@dtsonline.com
Posted by Karen Hultgren (Member # 395) on 07-01-2002, 08:13 PM:
All trailers on movie discs are listed under the feature's nameIf you have a trailer disc, all trailer titles are listed.
Trailer discs are free to DTS theaters that have DTS-6D or DTS-6AD units. If you would like to add your theater to the distribution list, send me an email with name & shipping address of theater (no P.O. boxes), telephone number, and name of the theater manager.
Karen at DTS
khultgren@dtsonline.com
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 07-01-2002, 11:39 PM:
Ah HA....so what happens when there is a feature that is 15 reels long? And if you think they don't exist, try 21 reels. Which film? SHOAH. And it's not some insignificat title either -- it won all kinds of awards and could easily wind up getting rereleased with a DTS track. What made them choose 14? MY FAIR LADY comes in at 12 reels, isn't that a little too close for comfort....why not choose something really safe, like Reel 50 or something?Frank
Posted by John Hawkinson (Member # 1135) on 07-01-2002, 11:42 PM:
DTS encodes the reel number as 4 bits (16 "reels"). Features longer than 13 reels presumably get split up into two different serial numbers.--jhawk
Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 07-02-2002, 12:35 AM:
13 reels at 23 minutes per real would work out to be a minute short of 5 hours. Which is close to what 3 whole DTS soundtrack discs can hold. So after the first 5 hours of film you'd have to swap out the discs for the rest of your more than 13 reel 5+ hour show. I suppose this would be a good point to use a new serial number and start back at 'reel 1'. Now that I think of it, you'd be probably running this beast reel to reel (or with an intermission) since you may have a little bit of a hard time trying to get a 21 reel movie on a single platter deck. So at one of the changeovers or the platter re-thread you could do a 'digital changeover' with the DTS player.
If you really wanted to (when encoding the soundtrack) you could use the maximum amount of timecoding per reel and only start a new 'sound reel' when the max is reached, instead of have the DTS player 'change reels' at the end of the physical reels. This would probably give you a bit more time, but you'd still run out of time on the actual discs.
After watching a movie for 5 hours I would be willing to bet that not to many people would notice it drop into SR for the rest of the show if done in a subtle enough point in the movie.
Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 07-02-2002, 12:47 AM:
Adam, perhaps a little more useful...I don't know which unit you have but does it support hot-swapping the discs like the 6AD unit will do (like when the feature has just started and you're just receiving FED-EX envelope with the discs in it)?
If it does you could load in the first disc for the feature and put the trailer disc in the other drive that you would normally have the second feature disc in. Then when the trailers are done pull out the trailer disc and put in the second feature disc.
Posted by Karen Hultgren (Member # 395) on 07-02-2002, 12:15 PM:
All trailers are always reel 14 - no exceptions.No problem is a film is over 13 reels long - we just skip 14 and keep right on counting. So, reel 14 would become 15, etc.
Karen at DTS
Posted by Karen Hultgren (Member # 395) on 07-02-2002, 12:24 PM:
Any film over 5 hours would most surely have an intermission. During that time, discs could be changed to accomidate the last part of the feature. We've done this sporatically in the past - Gettysberg and Doctor Zivago (sp?). Sure, neither of those films was 5 hours, but we will do this (one set of discs for the first half and another set of discs for the second half) for any film that requires more than two discs. We don't want to leave any customer with 2-drive players out in the cold!Karen at DTS
khultgren@dtsonline.com
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-02-2002, 05:10 PM:
The Gone With the Wind reissue actually had 3 disks, with instructions to swap disk B out and replace it with disk C, so the second half of the movie ran on disks A and C. That was one where we had to call in for a disk....we only received A & B with the print.
Posted by Josh Jones (Member # 447) on 07-02-2002, 05:50 PM:
John Hawkinson, will your software run under mandrake?Josh
Posted by John Hawkinson (Member # 1135) on 07-02-2002, 08:39 PM:
It certainly should, Josh, it's just a few scripts; works fine
under Red Hat.--jhawk
Posted by Thomas Procyk (Member # 1170) on 07-02-2002, 10:45 PM:
I remember something strange with the GWTW discs on our DTS-6D player. If we put discs A-B-C in their corresponding drives, it would read drive A, then B, but not go to C.So I had an idea. Put disc A in drive C (trailer disc drive) disc B in drive A and disc C in drive B -- Whaddaya know, it worked!
=TMP=
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 07-03-2002, 02:51 AM:
Just skip reel 14 -- that's simple enuf. As for long films, the thing is, you won't usually get 23 min of film on a reel when you are talking about these epics and musicals. MY FAIR LADY, for example, was cut with some pretty short reels, necessitated to avoid making change-overs in the middle of a song. So, yes, there are 12 reels, but the film runs under three hours. And of course there IS and intermission, which invariably gets cut in so many of the gristmill, classless operations that abound out there.