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Posted by Bill Enos (Member # 440) on 07-20-2002, 10:05 AM:
I guess it had to happen. A customer who is an animal rights activist asked the other day if film contains anything derived from animals, she says she will never watch another movie if it does. Does the base, emulsion or anything else in film contain anything that comes from animals?
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 07-20-2002, 10:58 AM:
The emulsion is gelatin which is an animal product
Posted by Adam Fraser (Member # 1074) on 07-20-2002, 11:16 AM:
I guess she won't ever be able to watch a movie again. :P------------------
Adam Fraser
www.pinestheatre.com
Posted by John Anastasio (Member # 607) on 07-20-2002, 11:19 AM:
I guess she wears plastic shoes. Tell her that you don't make any money on her ticket anyway, but that she's more than welcome to stop in any time and buy the all-natural popcorn. Assure her that it's not real butter but something recycled from Jiffy Lube.
Posted by Christopher Seo (Member # 7) on 07-20-2002, 01:31 PM:
This is something of a problem for me, as a vegan. I emailed Kodak a couple times but got the same form-letter response back, to the effect that gelatin is a great substance because it makes use of the tons of cattle bones which are a byproduct of the meat industry.
Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 07-20-2002, 01:37 PM:
The Sepoy Mutiny was supposed to have been caused by the rumor that the soldier's rifle cartridges were wrapped in paper greased with lard for weatherproofing in India. Soldiers were used to gripping the wrapper in their teeth when loading, and pig's fat violated their religious taboos. Many died in the mutiny and its aftermath.Seems the question "Is Jello kosher?" was answered by the manufacture of a product called KO-JELL, made from a vegetable form of gelatin,
making it acceptable to both religious Jews and Muslims.
What is the origin of motion picture gelatin used in photographic emulsion? Is it the same for film made in the U.S. as in India?
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 07-20-2002, 01:52 PM:
But all she has to do is LOOK at the film....not eat it.
Posted by Ken Lackner (Member # 1002) on 07-20-2002, 02:14 PM:
It's not that she's a vegetarian. She's an animal rights activist, and as such, I suppose she doesn't want anything to do with anything that uses animal products, whether she's eating them or no.
Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 07-20-2002, 03:05 PM:
EASTMAN GELATINE CORPORATION produces high grade gelatin for coating light sensitive emulsions onto flexible film base. Gelatin provides an ideal consistency as the 'bedding' compound for the color couplers and silver halide crystals. Photographic grade gelatin is also purchased from other sources. In over a century of photography, many other colloidal substances (e.g., albumen, synthetic polymers) have been tried for making photographic emulsions, NONE has been able to replace gelatin.
http://rmp.opusis.com/documents/gelatininphotography.pdf
http://www.cheresources.com/photochem.shtml
http://aic.stanford.edu/jaic/articles/jaic36-03-002_1.html
http://albumen.stanford.edu/library/c20/hendriks1.html
http://artnavigator.tripod.com/emulsions3.htm ------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
Posted by Brian Tristam Williams (Member # 1235) on 07-21-2002, 01:25 PM:
Well, she doesn't even have to look at it - she looks at the light passing through it.What about our Privé theatres? They have leather seats!
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"One man can make a difference."
Posted by David Favel (Member # 1125) on 07-21-2002, 07:58 PM:
Someone mentioned recently that all the people that protest fur, don't protest leather as they would then be picketing the local branch of Hells Angels.Good call.
Posted by Kara J. McVay (Member # 1285) on 07-21-2002, 08:23 PM:
My evil side says "tell her they use kittens to make the film". I try to keep the voices in my head to a minimum 
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"That's a chip up the nose, Ken" Fish Called Wanda
Posted by Bill Enos (Member # 440) on 07-22-2002, 12:52 AM:
She came in Saturday evening. She wears cloth shoes & her hand bag was plastic. She is, however, a great fan of the organ. We haven't told her about the yards of leather it takes to build a pipe organ or the gelatin yet.
Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 07-22-2002, 12:58 AM:
I saw a local band this evening, and at the nend of their show, the lead singer said "Go ahead and wear fur. It doesnt do the dead minks any good."I got a good laugh out of that.
Posted by Carl King (Member # 398) on 07-22-2002, 04:50 PM:
At one time I wore a leather winter jacket (I've outgrown it) and someone I met asked me if it didn't bother me that an animal had to die to make the jacket for me. I looked at his feet and asked him if it bothered him that the people who made his sneakers worked in third world sweat shops and lived in schacks with 10 other family members and ate out of the local garbage dump. He walked away.
Posted by Danny Hart (Member # 659) on 07-22-2002, 06:31 PM:
If we aren’t supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?At least the animals have a chance to run away from us, unlike potatoes, carrots etc.
Posted by Peter Dougherty (Member # 686) on 07-22-2002, 06:40 PM:
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If we aren’t supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat? At least the animals have a chance to run away from us, unlike potatoes, carrots etc.
Well my belief is that vegetables aren't food. They're what food eats. But I'll leave the last word on that topic to the Arrogant Worms' song, Carrot Juice is Murder:
(excerpt)
Listen up brothers and sisters, come here my desperate tale
I speak of our friends of nature, trapped in the dirt like a jail
Vegtables live in oppression, served on out tables each night
This killing of veggies is madness, I say we take up the fight
Salads are only for murderers, cole slaw's a fascist regime
Don't think that they don't have feelings, just cause a radish can't scream
I've heard the screams of the vegetables, watching their skins being peeled
Grated and steamed with no mercy.. how do you think that feels? (that it feels really bad)Carrot juice constitutes murder.. greenhouses prisons for slaves
It's time to stop all this gardening.. let's call a spade a spade.
Posted by James R. Hammonds, Jr (Member # 673) on 07-22-2002, 10:31 PM:
I dont eat vegetables because I believe in protecting the environment and Im doing my part by eating the animals who are killing off these poor plants as the try to give us oxygen. 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 07-22-2002, 10:34 PM:
"Wheres the beef"