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Posted by Rick Long (Member # 213) on 09-13-2002, 10:55 PM:
 
In one of our theatres, a suburban ten-plex, recently, the cleaners went to retrieve their broom from behind the skirt under the screen, and noticed not only that the broom was missing, but there were foot-prints leading to a ladder, permanently installed leading up to the speaker platform.

Further investigation by them revealed that, in of the three JBL 4670 speaker systems behind the screen, one 2225 woofer had been removed from each cabinet.

As this news filed through the appropriate channels at Head Office, I was summoned to investigate some three days later.

As it turned out not one, but several auditoria at this theatre had been "hit", all in the same manner. The theif removed only one of the 2 woofers from the cabinet (total of 13 units lost).

Strangely, the theif had the audio professionalism to replace the speaker cabinet back into the correct position. What made this even more of a mystery, is that the theif completely ignored the sub-woofers, which because of their position. at floor level, would have made a much easier target.

Obviously, in my mind anyways, this was not a "smash and grab" but a planned robbery by someone who not only brought in the correct tool, but realized that the removal of only one woofer would not be obvious to the theatre staff. Had it not been for the cleaner's missing broom, this crime might never have been reported until the next time (if we only had time) to run a Dolby test reel. By the way, there were no audience complaints of poor sound reported.

In any event, we had a number of replacement units from recently closed theatres. Before installing more speakers, however, I should like to take steps to try and ensure that the replacement speakers will not themselves be easily stolen in the future.

To this end, I am thinking of "theft proof screws" (those with the two indentations) in all speaker systems. I realize that these cannot be torqued the same as the original 10-32 Phillips screws or allen screws. My question is, has anyone tried these and can they be torqued sufficiently to properly mount the 2225 speaker?

Thanks for any replies.


 


Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 09-14-2002, 12:51 AM:
 
In 1982, I had a trouble call from a Marcus Theatre that "did not have any sound" when the movie started.

You guessed it: The entire speaker box (Including the driver, horn, and cross-over) was stolen! It has been known to happen.


 


Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 09-14-2002, 01:13 AM:
 
I don't know about the screws with the double indentations but what about the ones that Brad was discussing earlier this week. It seems that those ones take quite a bit of thought to get out.
http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003984.html

It also sounds like it's only one person since they are ignoring the subs which are pretty heavy to move far distances by yourself. However if you make it difficult to steal the woofers from the 4670's they might bring a dolly and take the subs instead. Mind you the 15" woofers would be a lot easier to fit in the back of a car than the 18" ones.



 


Posted by Rick Long (Member # 213) on 09-14-2002, 02:06 AM:
 
Paul, had a similar one at one of our theatres a few years ago. The projectionist reported that the sound was getting weaker and weaker. Changing the amplifier (Cinemeccanica plug-in mono type) didn't help. Turned out mice had eaten away the cone to make nests.

Good point, Dayrl, except that this could have occured over some time, due to the number of speakers to carry away. Because the staff did not notice the difference in sound quality, I am becoming more and more suspicious that the person who did this knew exactly what he/she was doing.
 


Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 09-14-2002, 02:18 AM:
 
If this is the company I think it is, they have the ushers clean the theatres after the last show one or two nights a week. If this is so, is a manager staying to supervise?


 


Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 09-14-2002, 02:34 AM:
 
Some links...
www.film-tech.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000017.html
www.film-tech.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003901.html


 


Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 09-14-2002, 08:25 AM:
 
Is there no alarm system in your cinema? All cinemas I have worked in had motion detectors and magnetic sensors at the doors.
Obviously, the thief had himself locked in and worked during the night or during several nights. If he is not connected to your staff, he must have hidden somewhere, for instance in the bath rooms. All areas accessible for the public should be checked before closing the theater for the night.
An interesting question is, who would have use for separate drivers? Either the thief builds his own speakers or sells the drivers off. Maybe you could try to find suspicious ads on the net or in local papers.
As a deterrent, simply take a felt pen and write something ("Property 0f...") on the diaphragms!
Michael


 


Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 09-14-2002, 09:14 AM:
 
I just recently asked about the security screws (Brad's 2nd link is to the thread I started). My screws are on the way to me even as we speak (er...write).

We had lost both of the transducers in all of the Left and Right speakers. We had also lost about 3 subwoofer transducers and a similar number of HF horn systems for the 4670D.

I have my suspicions as to who carried them away. There aren't too many people involved with the company who have what it takes to pull off a stunt like that...

1. What to remove
2. How to remove
3. When to remove
4. Need for the stolen property

In addition to the tamper-resistant screws, I have secured a quantity of those metallic "Property of" tags from the accounting department and I am putting them on everything (cabinets, woofers, horns, mounting brackets...everything). I am also keeping a log of the serial numbers of the actual product and also the corresponding property tag.

By the way, the 2035 is the spec replacement for the 4670, not the 2225...although, there's probably some wiggle room there. Personally, I would verify what was actually in your cabinets and order whatever is needed to make them all match one another. If that's the 2035, then get those. If it's something else in there, then get that instead. It's probably more important that they match than to get the spec replacement and have mis-matched units.

~Manny.

I just can't wait to start screwing!


 


Posted by Thomas Procyk (Member # 1170) on 09-14-2002, 10:58 AM:
 
I knew the manager of a UA theater that closed. She was telling me about the last day of operation, and that the "speaker alarms" went off every 5 minutes.

Apparently, (and I didn't have time to look at them since the theater was closed and stripped by this time) they had installed some sort of devices that sense when a speaker has been moved or removed. Who makes something like this?

Our theater had the subwoofers stolen out of our largest houses. In one of them, only one was gone, and just the speaker itself. In the other house, BOTH were gone, cabinets and all, and according to the tech that came out because we had no low freq. in that house, they somehow managed to short out the amp during their little robbery!! Savages.

I've often thought about how easy it really is to steal equipment or fixtures from an auditorium. Someone could, for exampe, buy a ticket for "Pluto Nash" on a Tuesday afternoon and be the only one in a dark room for 2 hours to plunder as they please.

=TMP=
 


Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 09-14-2002, 11:28 AM:
 
How are these thieves getting behind the screen? In a procenium theatre, of course, they could just climb up on the stage, but in a typical multiplex, access is usually through a door (which should be locked) in one of the side exit hallways.

Don't most larger theatres have security cameras in the exit hallways, anyway?
 


Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 09-14-2002, 11:36 AM:
 
Seton Nameplate makes a pretty good line of "Property of" nameplates and decals. Check out www.seton.com and click on "Property Identification".

 
Posted by Jon Bartow (Member # 241) on 09-14-2002, 12:50 PM:
 
A "speaker alarm" could be easily rigged by using a standard door switch mounted in the floor under the cabinet with an off-the-shelf alarm panel. If anyone rocks or moves the speaker... the switches closes presumably setting off an alarm in the office.
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 09-14-2002, 12:53 PM:
 
I am using Seton tags. They're very nice.
 
Posted by Ken Lackner (Member # 1002) on 09-14-2002, 02:21 PM:
 
Scott asked:

quote:
How are these thieves getting behind the screen? In a procenium theatre, of course, they could just climb up on the stage, but in a typical multiplex, access is usually through a door (which should be locked) in one of the side exit hallways.

In most theaters I have been to, it is very easy for anyone to go under the skirting and get behind the screen. I have never seen any doors leading to the back of the screen.
 


Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 09-14-2002, 02:23 PM:
 
Since the theif took only one (of two) speakers, put them back into proper position and ignored the subs make me suspect it someone who knows about sound and audio. Any employee fit the description? (Although any patron could have done it also.)

I think it would be OK to have two screws less torqued than the others. I'd probably also take that ladder away.

At a theater we no longer own, the cleaners keep "accidently" setting off the alarm until the maangers stopped using it. We got robbed two days later. We fired the cleaners.
 


Posted by Rick Long (Member # 213) on 09-14-2002, 03:56 PM:
 
Actually this theatre does have an alarm system, using motion detection in the lobby area, turned on during off-hours.

This auditorium, like most, has an exit door which leads to a common (for all auditoriums on that side of the building) hallway, which leads to an outside exit door.

It is even possible that these speakers were removed, one or two at a time, over a period of weeks, during operating hours.

On a matinee when attendance was poor, the theif could wait until the credits start to roll. As the last of the customers leave the auditorium, the theif could then slip behind the skirt at the bottom of the screen and up the ladder. As the ushers would not be very long in cleaning up the auditorim, they would have several minutes before a new audience began filing in. Exiting by the rear exit, they would not be seen by the staff, with a speaker obtained for the price of an admission ticket.

Manny, interesting thought about "Need for the stolen property".


 


Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 09-14-2002, 09:49 PM:
 
Has anyone ever tried installing a tightly pulled (to eliminate rattle) chain link fence behind the skirting to keep people from gaining access to the rear of the screen?
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-14-2002, 10:39 PM:
 
A theatre in Elgin, Illinois that I installed years ago had a theft problem with speakers. On both occasions it was an Usher(different one each time) that was the theif and he showed up to work with a new set of speakers in his car!! Arrests were made in both cases.
Mark @ Claco
 
Posted by Scott Manley (Member # 867) on 09-14-2002, 10:57 PM:
 
In one of the theaters I service....we had one where they ripped the front of the cabinet to get the speaker out. I have discussed this with a few people and we all seem to think that security screws would just guarantee not being able to re-use the cabinet.
I would think some kind of alarm would be better.
 
Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 09-15-2002, 09:52 AM:
 
The problem with an alarm is the wire can be cut. Even if it's a "loop", theifs will quickly discover to short the wires first. After all, if they are stealing a speaker, they probably know something about electricity. A multi-conductor cable could be used to try to fool' em, I guess. The wire could be run in greenfield/EMT, but someone could uncouple the connections. It also starts to get expensive. If the alarm was powered with batteries, they would run down after a while.

I can't see an easy solution to this, but for an existing theater I think the best cost vs. gain is security screws. For a new theater, placing all speakers up on platforms without access. I realize the output of subwoofers are reduced when placed up higher, but it's better than no output.

I think the big problem is a person usually can't be seen back there, (especally if there's a THX-like baffle wall) and they can take their time to defeat almost anything. They can work even while the theater is open, when building alarms are not on.

It's also tough to get money to prevent this. For some reason, accountants would rather spend $300, three-four times a year replacing speakers than spend $1200 once to solve the problem.
 


Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 09-15-2002, 11:38 AM:
 
I tend to put a couple of big screws (all with different heads) up throughthe base of the cabinet so they can't be turned around easily
 
Posted by Rick Long (Member # 213) on 09-16-2002, 12:08 AM:
 
Did that too, Gord, except where the speakers are on ledges. They still managed to get the cones out without moving the bass bin. Damn! wish they'd teach me how to do that!
 
Posted by Rick Long (Member # 213) on 09-17-2002, 12:02 AM:
 
Thinking into this a little further, the ladder might not be a bad idea after all. No, I am not thinking of wiring it up to an ignitor (although the temptation is there but small kids, bored with the movie, might wander into this area), but to simply isolate it from ground and, using a touch-sensitive system, have an alarm ring in the manager's office or at the guest services desk, indicating that someone was behind the screen. Who knows? we might catch the son/daughter of a bitch after all. After all, the speaker closest to the ladder would be the first one to get stolen, as was the case here.


 


Posted by Mike Williams (Member # 1140) on 09-17-2002, 07:43 AM:
 
One of those wireless alarm systems available from Radio Shack might be a good solution (depending on the theater). You could mount motion detectors behind each screen and have them set off a zone alarm back at the base station whenever somebody even steps behind the screen. What is good about some of those systems, is you can set them up to dial out if the alarm goes off when you are not there.
It certainly may be a cheaper solution than installing an entire professional system (and you can do it your self without running wiring everywhere).
 
Posted by Mike Williams (Member # 1140) on 09-17-2002, 07:47 AM:
 
Here is a link to the Radio Shack system I was referring to:
Link

If it does not work, look up wireless security systems on the Radio Shack website. http://www.radioshack.com

[ 07-15-2005, 10:31 PM: Message edited by: Adam Martin ]
 
Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 09-17-2002, 02:17 PM:
 
The problem with wireless motion sensors is that they only transmit ~100ft. In a ten screen theatre you probably wouldn't be able to have sensors in too many screens before losing the signal at the receiver. Mind you it may be possible to get decent reception from the middle of the booth.
 
Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 07-15-2005, 09:46 AM:
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 07-15-2005, 09:46 AM:
 
I think it’s a projectionist doing this speaker capper, are there any cinemas in the same road where this happened, by that I mean enemies and they just have a since of humour in nicking the screen stage bass drivers.

I have to admit dame funny, but silly too.
 
Posted by Samuel Hynds (Member # 2610) on 07-15-2005, 12:54 PM:
 
This is why QSC Audio puts anti-theft screws on all our low frequency and subwoofer drivers. [Wink]
 




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