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Posted by Sam Hunter (Member # 1119) on 10-09-2002, 12:53 PM:
Ok,
What type oil do I feed my Brenkert BX80?
Thats all.
Thanks!------------------
Samual Hunter Sr.
KC5ZSL
Posted by John Anastasio (Member # 607) on 10-09-2002, 03:42 PM:
Hell, you could probably run the beast on salad oil, but what they like is a nice NON-DETERGENT light oil. The BX80 uses a pump that just gets the oil up to the top of the machine. From there, it's splishy splashy, drippity droppity all over those beautiful gears. A Heave oil doesn't get into the bearings as well as a light one. Simplex oil will work just fine. I ran mine for a couple of years on sewing machine oil with no bad effects. Detergent oil won't hurt the mechanism, but it will deteriorate that big rubber gasket that holds the mess inside where you want it.
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 10-09-2002, 04:14 PM:
Sam, feed it ISO Spindle oil.
You can get that stuff form Standard Oil, it costs about 35 bucks for 5 gallons. It is IS0 10 High Speed Spindle Oil, and is a direct substitute from the orginal Brenkert Oil.
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 10-09-2002, 07:30 PM:
Just give it a pint of really good beer!! Actually, Spindle oil is available from any industrial supply place or machinery supply place in gallons for about 6 bucks. Also you can use refrigerant oil in Brenkerts. Many around the midwest used that stuff.
Mark @ CLACO
Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 10-09-2002, 08:31 PM:
Sam...There comes a time in every man's life when he has to feed his projector a "Dry Martini". The IMAX'guy's won't admit it, they want you to think they feed their machines 
but when the lights are low and they think no one is watching they feed them a cool Beefeater Gibson.Your projector will thank you, and when it wakes up it will give you a "Perfect Show". Hic! 
Posted by Sam Hunter (Member # 1119) on 10-09-2002, 08:33 PM:
So far I got beer and salad dressing. Maybe I can use a steak and baked potatoe for film cleaner
Thanks for the info guys!I never had a martini?? Is it any good? Whats it taste like?
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Samual Hunter Sr.
KC5ZSL
Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 10-09-2002, 09:18 PM:
OK, I must ask: What is "spindle oil" really made for? Spindles? Duh...but what sort requires a unique oil?
Posted by Bob Maar (Member # 763) on 10-09-2002, 09:43 PM:
Sam, you are in for a treat. Make sure you tell the bartender to make it a Dry Perfect Beefeater Gibson. Sit back relax, it's about as close as you can get to "Heaven on Earth". It is a delightful, refreshing, delicious drink. I have at least one and sometimes many more - every week day.More on weekends...
Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 10-09-2002, 10:33 PM:
Edward H. Wolk Company carries Brenkert Oil.
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 10-09-2002, 10:54 PM:
Come on now Kenny,
Even you know its not REAL Brenkert oil.... Just some other substitute with the name Brenkert on it. There hasn't been REAL Brenkert oil for many, many, many decades now......You know...once a brand leaves its original company or factory, it is no longer a real factory product. Heck, it was RCA oil next AFTER it was Brenkert, but RCA was too cheap to drop the Brenkert name and re-print all those one gallon cans they inherited when they bought the Brenkert Co. So you see now that any other Brenkert oil is not real Brenkert oil. Its just got the name Brenkert on it. It just goes to show...Don't always believe that whats in the can is original.......You have to taste it to be sure. REAL Brenkert oil is going to be well aged and will have a most unusual taste as compared to a can of just named Brenkert oil. There is a huge distinct difference!! But it definately is not real Brenkert oil. Isn't all of this a load of 
Mark
Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 10-09-2002, 11:11 PM:
I've got a really, really old can of genuine Brenkert oil squirreled away here at home. 
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 10-09-2002, 11:38 PM:
Sam, feed your Brenkert this stuff. 
The label attached to the bucket should answer Steve's question, too.
By the way, I did some research a long time ago to find out what kind of oil Brenkert used. By specification, the oil I am suggesting meets or exceeds the orginal Brenkert oil specifications.
The orginal oil was made by Mobil or Shell (I can't recall which without searching the FT Threads) which crosses to AMOCO Spindle Oil "A". The above picture is a suggested replacement for that oil.
I think Amoco, Standard Oil, and Chevron are all in bed with each other, so it probably comes out of the same storage tank. 
Ken said:
quote:
"Edward H. Wolk Company carries Brenkert Oil."
Jeeze, I'll bet that stuff is heavy....probably about 440 lbs. per barrel, not counting the weight of the barrel itself.... That's more than I can carry.
Ken, at least Wolk's oil was clean.
MTS's oil was sometimes contaminated with something that looked like cigar or cigarette ashes. (that probably happened when they looked in the barrel to see if it was time to add water so they could skim more oil out of the bottom of the barrel.)
Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 10-10-2002, 07:21 AM:
So what you're saying is that the answser to "What kind of spindle?" is "What kind you got?"
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 10-10-2002, 07:35 AM:
Apologies for veering away from topic, but if all else fails you could always try this in your Brenkert...
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 10-10-2002, 09:29 AM:
Well, that cooking oil has got to be pretty low octane stuff. Those cars probably struggled to run. Or else you guys over there are cooking in something we don't use over here.....Ken...That can of Brenkert oil you have is really no longer Brenkert oil. It has gone stale over the years(especially if it has been opened) so it is no longer what it was. Since fine oil ages when it just sits around it never keeps it original qualities hence, its not real anymore. Only the can is real, just like all the cans that said Brenkert that RCA was stuck with. Geez, it was total confusion at RCA for a long time when the techs didn't know they could use Brenkert oil in the RCA projectors. That can you have is likely one of those not-re-labeled RCA bought cans. If you are absolutely sure it is real Brenkert oil then please prove it.......thats really why you are similing in your picture isn't it??
Steve, You used to make out the checks for the spindle oil when you worked for me.........
Mark
Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 10-10-2002, 09:44 AM:
Just like Bruce McGee drinking his Film Guard, Brenkert oil keeps me well-lubed internally. 
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 10-10-2002, 12:57 PM:
Steve, my spindles are high speed. I need a high-quality oil that will prevent them from wearing out. Seriously, think about the starwheel's maximum velocity during the pull-down cycle. It is really moving! It is usually the starwheel that freezes up due to improper oil lubrication or no oil at all.
Leo, in this country, the refinerys dyed road Diesel fuel green in color, and off-road Diesel fuel was dyed red in color. Truckers don't want to get caught with red fuel in their tanks.
During the major fuel crunch, the US Navy added a fragrance to the gasoline so it smelled like roses at one of their facilities. Most military personnel did not want their personal vehicles "smelling like a rose" as they were driving it down the highway. Kind of a macho thing, I would presume...
As far as the military vehicles were concerned, I think they received enough heckling and jeers from the civilian population that they discontinued the practice of making their vehicles smell like roses, too. (That's the navy for ya..)
During the gasoline crunch in the mid 1970's, the navy had an extra person sniffing the cars to see what they smelled like as they were passing through the security gates.
I am not making this up! This was true. I made a formal complaint about the practice because the guys that were sniffing tail pipes were getting so goofy, they didn't know which end was up. Almost immediately after I lodged the complaint, the tail pipe sniffers were no longer used.
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 10-10-2002, 02:41 PM:
We have 'red Diesel' too - it's sold to farmers for use in tractors and combine harvesters and is exempt from fuel duty (hence the red dye). But because modern Diesel engines in cars are computer controlled and clever enough to run really low octane rough stuff without a problem (e.g. electronically retarded ignition and such like), quite black market has built up in red Diesel in rural areas. I guess the cooking oil thing is just the latest variant of that.I wouldn't like to have to service a car that has been running on cooking oil for any significant number of miles, though - given the water, impurities and other shite in it, the stuff must seriously clog up the injectors and oil filter.
Posted by Matthew Bailey (Member # 601) on 10-10-2002, 02:52 PM:
I do live in a major oil refinery & chemical plant area so the Chevron refinery changed it's name to Clark & now is Premcor. The Texaco refinery also changed it's name except for the Fina refinery which is also in this area.
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 10-10-2002, 05:50 PM:
One nice thing about Diesel engines - they can practically burn just about any kind of thin oil ever made. That's the problem....people burn it to try to skirt the fuel tax laws.There was problem with that during the fuel crunch in the '70's. The truckers were burning heating oil. When the authorities found that out, they wanted the refineries to dye the fuel so they could tell. They refused then. All of the sudden the heating oil price became higher than Diesel fuel....you figure it out yourself.
Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 10-11-2002, 12:18 AM:
The term "octane" does not apply to diesel fuel at all. There is a "cetane" rating however.I believe #2 heating oil is pretty much the same as diesel fuel.