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Yay! Now will this be a knock-your-socks-off logo like the original (as in you can't find it anymore) Dolby Train or Dolby City, or will it be extra-tame like the piano?
 

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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 01-23-2003, 09:04 PM:
 
Brad:

Dolby just sent me some "Train" trailers. Are you sure they are discontinued?

...or are you referring to the original speaker-busting audio mix?
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 01-23-2003, 09:09 PM:
 
I'm talking about the original "blow people's heads off" Train, not any of the remixes.
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 01-24-2003, 05:54 PM:
 
As I've said before, I like the original Dolby Digital "Train" trailer mix because it scared the crap out of little kids and made them cry at the front of "The Lion King"
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 01-24-2003, 06:24 PM:
 
Crying doesn't stand up to decapitation!

Anyone know who mixed that original version? I'm betting it was Gary Rydstrom.
 

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Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 04-16-2003, 05:17 PM:
 
Hello all. Just curious, when this new DTS trailer is unveiled, how do we get it? Is DTS going to ship it with a couple movies or do we have to order it? I think shipping it with a film would be cool because it seems that at our theatre, no one ever gets new sound snipes. All we have are Dolby City and Digital Experience trailers. I'm trying to get everyone to use them more, but it takes time. Maybe with a new trailer, it will get people to say, "Woa, that's cool. We need to play these more often." Cheers!

AJG
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 04-16-2003, 05:27 PM:
 
When DTS was first introduced back in 1993, Universal Pictures releases had the original version of the DTS trailer attached. The original version ended when the Digital Experience logo exploded on the screen.

The practice of attaching the trailers made things convenient for DTS-equipped theaters. However, in many cases non-DTS equipped theaters also ran the logo. I even saw it played in second run at dollar houses. In the late Spring of 1994 when the second flying disc trailer was introduced with the DTS logo added to the end of it Universal stopped attaching DTS snipes to their film prints. I think "The Paper" was the last one that did that (that's just off the top of my head without consulting some kind of list).

I'm not sure what kind of problems could be solved or not by including DTS snipes (or other sound format snipes) in the reel cans. Projectionists would get fresh snipes every time, which would be nice. But it would also be an invitation for some dishonest operator of a mono house to misuse them in an attempt to hoodwink customers.
 

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Posted by Antonio Marcheselli (Member # 373) on 04-16-2003, 08:09 PM:
 
I Saw a DTS logo on a old movie movie... on TV, on our national station (that broadcasts MONO)!!!!

Bye
A
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 04-16-2003, 08:55 PM:
 

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Projectionists would get fresh snipes every time, which would be nice. But it would also be an invitation for some dishonest operator of a mono house to misuse them in an attempt to hoodwink customers.

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Actually Bobby, if they made the analog track nothing but a voice telling them that they were NOT hearing digital sound and to immediately complain to the management it wouldn't be a problem at all. If they don't want to get that direct, they could fill the analog track up with screeching noises.
 

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Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 04-16-2003, 09:05 PM:
 
Even better idea: record buzz-track, pink noise, Dolby tone, L-R, and C-S test tones on the optical track. This would prevent anyone (with a brain) from playing it in a non-digital house and would also give them something useful to help in aligning non-digital systems.
 

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Posted by Daniel Fuentz (Member # 1684) on 04-16-2003, 09:27 PM:
 

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I Saw a DTS logo on a old movie movie... on TV, on our national station (that broadcasts MONO)!!!!

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The station I worked at, someone had entered in a film with the movie studio's "Home Video" logo at the start of the movie.

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Well, watching on-air television at home is "home video", isn't it?
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 04-17-2003, 06:10 PM:
 
A TV station ran a DTS trailer on the front of a movie? Hmmm. That makes me wonder if they were playing something off of a DVD or Laserdisc. DTS didn't appear theatrically until 1993. But there is a number of DVDs (and past LDs) of older films using DTS to deliver the sound.
 

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Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 08-21-2003, 04:26 AM:
 
Was just doing some thread searching and found this one. Any updates on a new DTS trailer Karen?

AJG
 

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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 09-30-2003, 02:15 PM:
 
For the first time I noticed the DTS scope trailer says "REV'D" on the identification label. What got changed?

Also -- are "Flying Disc" and "Stand Alone" the exact same trailer with different names? Or are there subtle differences between the two that I haven't noticed?
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 09-30-2003, 05:29 PM:
 
Manny - "Stand alone" just refers to the trailer that is not attached to a feature. The original "flying disk" trailer was attached to each print of a feature, then later they shipped the trailers separately.

I always thought "flying disk" was a misnomer. Sounds more like an industrial steel foundry accident to me.
 

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Posted by Antonio Marcheselli (Member # 373) on 09-30-2003, 05:49 PM:
 
I always thought that DTS could provide different soundtracks at the same trailers... It could be a way to change a bit the trailers without make a completely different release of it! The theaters hold the print and DTS make differents soundtracks on cds!

Bye
A
 

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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 09-30-2003, 06:01 PM:
 
I believe that we tend to get bored with both the image and the sound equally. Therefore, I have serious doubts that changing the sound (only) could be very satisfying.

Personally, I know I would find this approach to be frustrating because I would interpret it as a signal that they simply have no intentions of ever updating the logo trailer itself.

How long has it been since we've had a new DTS snipe anyway?

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I just hope that the DTS people decide to keep away from those "Sonic Landscape" creators. That trailer was weak.

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I don't know who mixed the ORIGINAL but here's the info I have...

TRAIN -- Premiered July, 1992 -- Mixed by Randy Thom, Skywalker Sound -- The first trailer for the Dolby Digital format. Originally created with the Dolby Stereo logo, it was later revised to incorporate the newer Dolby Digital logo -- Cat. 4185 (Flat) or 4235 (Scope)

CITY -- Premiered July, 1995 -- Original Mix by Pacific Ocean Post Sound. Remixed by Terry Porter, Walt Disney Studios -- Created as a tribute to a Dolby Stereo "Theatre" campaign from the 80's -- Cat. 5185 or 5235

EGYPT -- Premiered December, 1996 -- Mixed by David Parker, Saul Zaentz Film Centre -- Cat. 6185 or 6235

CANYON -- Premiered October, 1996 -- Mixed by David Parker, Saul Zaentz Film Centre -- Cat. 7185 or 7235

TEMPLE -- Premiered December, 1996 -- Mixed by David Parker, Saul Zaentz Film Centre -- Dolby SR only (no digital) -- Cat. 8185 or 8235

RAIN (SR•D-EX) -- Premiered December, 1998 -- Sound Design by Marco d"Ambrosio, MarcoCo and Mixed by Gary Rizzo, Skywalker Sound -- The first Dolby trailer with Dolby SR•D-EX sound. Debuted with "Star Trek: Insurrection" -- Cat. 9185 or 9235

AURORA (SR•D-EX) -- Premiered May, 1999 -- Sound Design by Marco d'Ambrosio, MarcoCo and Mixed by David Parker, Saul Zaentz Film Centre -- Debuted with "Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace" -- Cat. 11185 or 11235

That doesn't count the ones I have not seen (in theatres):

WATERFALL (SR•D-EX) -- Premiered July, 2000 -- Sound Design by Marco d'Ambrosio, MarcoCo and Mixed by David Parker, Saul Zaentz Film Centre -- Debuted with "X-Men"

PERSPECTIVES (SR•D-EX) -- Premiered May, 2003

Anyone know the Cat. numbers for the "Waterfall" and "Perspectives" trailers?

That's nine trailers right there (including "Temple" which is SR only; no digital). Wouldn't it be nice to have a digital track on "Temple"? It doesn't have to say "Dolby Digital" on-screen but it would be nice to know that if a movie got upgraded to a digital house that we wouldn't necesarily need to fret over it.

Any others?

Note: Premiere and Mix data from the Dolby DVD "Explore Our World."

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 09-30-2003, 09:38 PM:
 
I agree that the Sonic Landscape is boring and DTS has done a downright crappy job of promoting itself via trailers, but has anyone really gotten out of DTS simply because of the trailers?!

I have a former employee whose husband works as an editor at a film/video production house in Spokane...they would do an awesome job on a DTS trailer.
 

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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 09-30-2003, 09:54 PM:
 
All of our digital installs are Dolby now -- we've done some upgrades and there is new construction in the works. Our DTS units have been reassigned to smaller houses.

We're not exactly selling off the DTS units but we're not as high on the format as we used to be. The main reason is the apparent inability to get the discs to ship with the prints but -- as I've said elsewhere -- we do get our prints an extra few days in advance, up to a week. Still, we would often receive the discs as "chasers" in the final week of run and, by that time, the movie was no longer in one of the premiere houses. For that reason, DTS is not viable as a premiere format in my opinion.

But the trailers were also a factor. On the one hand, we have a sound system we would like to exploit to its fullest potential but, on the other hand, we don't want to bore the audience with the same old tired trailers. Once upon a time there was an $80 - $90 charge for a set of DTS trailers, too. They're available at no charge now...but who wants them!?
 

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Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 09-30-2003, 10:52 PM:
 
Wasn't DTS supposed to debut a new trailer this summer? But you all are right, DTS needs some much needed promotion. All we have are Digital Experience trailers and even though I love them for nostalgic value, I'd love to be able to choose from almost 10 trailers for respective films. Digital Experience just doesn't work on Under the Tuscan Sun or Secondhand Lions that well. Of course, for Underworld, I wouldn't have it any other way.

AJG
 

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Posted by Scott Jentsch (Member # 1681) on 10-01-2003, 10:42 AM:
 
As impressive as movie soundtracks played back in DTS can be, I do agree that the "flying disc" trailer was very unimpressive. Especially when you experience the Dolby Train trailer...

Since almost all theaters in the last couple of years have neglected to play any THX or digital sound trailers before films, the only place I've heard the Sonic Landscape trailer is before a movie on DVD. I thought it was a nice treat to see a digital sound trailer on a DVD, but it didn't make me ooh and ahh over it.

The THX Tex trailer does a pretty decent job of showing off the separate back channels, but that one gets old after the second time you view it.

Maybe DTS hasn't produced a new trailer because they realize that not many theaters are showing them any longer...

When I go to a movie, I want to see the THX and digital sound trailers, but they are never played. I think I've seen more of the Dolby trailers on DVD's than I have in the theater.

What would be cool, but expensive, is for the trailer to match the movie in some way. Kind of like the "liquid metal" THX trailer in front of a Terminator movie, for example.
 

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Posted by Mike Olpin (Member # 1115) on 10-01-2003, 11:15 AM:
 
For anyone in or near San Diego, Edwards Rancho San Diego plays sound system trailers before all features presented digitally. If I can get a hold of that UltraStereo or JBL trailer, then I'll start placing those on our anaolg movies as well. (Sometimes, we dont run sound system trailers on movies that we know we'll be loosing the following week) Also, be there on time. The sound system trailer is the first thing shown on the trailer pack.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-01-2003, 12:45 PM:
 

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If that's the case, it's the dumbest excuse ever!

What happened to the new guy from DTS who was posting? What's their take on all this??
 

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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 10-01-2003, 01:25 PM:
 
I think that was a special case.

IIRC, we were discussing the new DTS processor (the XD-10 or whatever) and also the fact that LORD OF THE RINGS III would be a 3-Disc release. The 3-Discs pose a problem for those of us with the "obsolete" DTS-6 (2 drawer) units and DTS seemed to be exploiting this fact to promote their trade-in/rebate program. A lot of us, myself included, took the opportunity to vent our frustrations with DTS.

I had really just assumed that the gentleman from DTS had stepped in to carry out some damage control and, to his credit, I think it had a calming effect on the situation.

At least it proves that they are lurking.

Hopefully, they are taking note of our hunger for new logo trailers!
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-01-2003, 05:45 PM:
 

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Mike calls this a dumb excuse. But I would not call the excuse dumb if commercial movie theaters were the only venues where a DTS trailer could be seen. The situation on DVD negates any excuse about theaters not playing the trailers.

I have a lot of DVDs that feature audio tracks encoded in DTS and have the trailers to go with them. All of my Sony "Superbit" DVDs have the DTS flying disc trailer on them. The flying disc clip appears on several of my DreamworksSKG DVDs (with the rest being the piano trailer). I don't understand why "American Beauty" has the flying disc clip while "Gladiator" has the sonic landscape piano one. Lots of Fox and Universal DVDs use the piano trailer.

I have only two movie release DVDs which feature Dolby Digital trailers ("T2 Ultimate Edition" and "Akira" --both of which use the "Aurora" trailer).

Anyway, with DTS obviously getting some special treatment in the eyes of home video distribution companies --their two trailers get used a lot more often than Dolby's 9-- it would seem like they would feel a little more moved to improve the variety.

As for cost of production, yes it is not free or exactly cheap. However, cost of production for a lot of CG work has come down. Professional 3D tools have become much less expensive. Over the past year, NewTek dropped the price of Lightwave3D from nearly $3,000 down to $1,500 and now only $1,299. You can buy a basic version of Maya for under $2,000. Computers have become much more powerful, cutting rendering times waaaay down. That's one reason why I'm pissed about the enduring 2K standard for CGI.

Anyway, one could take an ordinary Mac or PC and load it with LW3D or Maya and generate a new DTS trailer with the same or better quality as the original flying disc clip.
 

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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 10-01-2003, 06:29 PM:
 
I believe Joe Redifer is already working on the third DTS trailer.
 

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Posted by Thomas Procyk (Member # 1170) on 10-02-2003, 12:14 PM:
 
We are currently playing "Bad Boys 2" in our DTS house, and I made sure all of the trailers we programmed for it were on the trailer disc, so we have a complete digital presentation.

The trailers sound great, even rattle the port windows a bit when the heavy bass hits, but when the Flying Disc trailer came on, I had to look at the processor to see if it was still in digital!! WEEAAKK!!! Then when the feature started, the sound "kicked in" again. (although it never really kicked-OUT in the first place)

How are you supposed to promote your digital system when the promo is weaker than the other material you play??

=TMP=
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-02-2003, 12:29 PM:
 
Interesting, considering that Flying Disk was made before the studios all started LOWERING the volume on the trailers!
 

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Posted by Dean Kollet (Member # 1789) on 10-02-2003, 01:44 PM:
 
In my opinion, the DTS/Dolby/SDDS trailers are not impressive at all. Ok, SDDS Jungle and Dolby Train are cool, but to me it just doesn't knock my socks off like it's supposed to. I'm 20 years old, and I can still remember seeing the first THX trailer, that trailer still blows me away; not so much b/c of the sound b/c they had the balls to put on the screen "Cinema Speaker system have not changed in 30 years, until now..." and you heard it, and at least where I was, it hit you hard.

I mean, look at what can be done. Dolby, SDDS, DTS should be able put out a trailer that absoutely knocks the shit out of the audience, I mean it's their sound format. And I still think they should make one for horror/scary movies, think of what they could make. And it can't be that expensive to make something that short, so why not make them genre specific (not like comedy, drama, etc...), but ones for action movies and ones for horror movies. I know a lot don't come out, but it would be cool...
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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 10-02-2003, 08:04 PM:
 

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I can still remember seeing the first THX trailer, that trailer still blows me away; not so much b/c of the sound b/c they had the balls to put on the screen "Cinema Speaker system have not changed in 30 years, until now..." and you heard it, and at least where I was, it hit you hard.

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Okay but you seem to be admitting in your post that, back then, you were underexposed to good cinema sound (as we all were). So I am wondering if it is at all possible that you've simply gotten so accustomed to hearing good sound...and now you want even more?

I'm just asking because I wonder about this at times -- Have we gotten spoiled?

I agree that the logo snipes should match or surpass the average trailer. Dolby needs to lighten up on the "subtlety" angle. Seems they got bullied into making warm and fuzzy trailers when folks complained about "Train" and "City" being too aggressive but I think it's time for the pendulum to swing back the other way now.

Enough of these nature trips! First we got "Canyon," "Egypt" and "Temple" and then "Rain," "Waterfall" & "Aurora." Just aim a cannon at the lens and let 'er rip!

"Dolby Cannon" -- Now THAT'S exciting!

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AMBIENT SOUND (all channels) of an audience murmering.

SOUND of heavy, squeaky wheels from off-screen (left). A cannon is wheeled into position (center-screen) illuminated by a follow-spot.

CLOSE SHOT on a match being lit, then the fuse.

Back to the cannon. A VOICE OFF-SCREEN (back-centre) yells "Duck!" as the sparkling fuse grows shorter and shorter.

KA-BOOM!

To our surprise, a duck comes flying out of the cannon!

THWACK-SQUISH! (back-centre) followed by a final, pitiful "Squawk..."

INSERT -- DIGITAL SOUND LOGO

FADE OUT

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As for cost of production, yes it is not free or exactly cheap. However, cost of production for a lot of CG work has come down.... Computers have become much more powerful, cutting rendering times waaaay down. That's one reason why I'm pissed about the enduring 2K standard for CGI.

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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 10-06-2003, 07:38 AM:
 
I still haven't seen it yet, but doesn't the new Stomp (Dolby Perspectives) trailer use live-action photography?

I know that most of the footage in Dolby Rain is live-action photographed at super-high speed.

I'm betting that DTS Sonic Landscape is live-action, too.

What about the (discontinued) Mancini trailer?
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-06-2003, 05:19 PM:
 
Most film format trailers are CGI-based or have a mix of live-action and CGI stuff. I'm only suggesting the CGI route for a new DTS trailer since it fits in with the "culture" or "style" of sound format trailers.

If DTS can come up with a cool trailer concept that is live-action based, that would be just fine as well. Please note my suggestion for a THX trailer involving a live action super-telephoto shot of a C-5 Galaxy flying down the runway at the viewers and taking off for a massive flyover sonic blast (belive me, this is a thrilling experience when you witness it for real ).
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 10-06-2003, 07:27 PM:
 
I'll second a C-5 sound snipe. Not only would it be a cool snipe, it could be used at the end of boring shows to wake people up. I'm sure it'd work... I had one wake me up while sleeping at the end of the runway in Oshkosh one year. Almost as fun as the pack of T-5's blowing by me on final.

Hey Matt, maybe we could have a new C-5 Galaxy policy snipe.
 

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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 10-07-2003, 12:58 AM:
 
There's really a place called Oshkosh...

By Gosh!
 

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Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 10-07-2003, 06:17 AM:
 
Oshgosh:

http://www.airventure.org/

http://www.airventure.org/2003/about/index.html

Oshgosh B'Gosh
 

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Posted by Kenneth Wuepper (Member # 1174) on 10-07-2003, 06:45 AM:
 
Barton theatre pipe organs were manufactured in the 1920s in Oshkosh Wisconsin, USA by the Bartola Musical Instrument Company.

The ATOS has a listing of all of the known Barton Organs on their web site. The one at the Temple Theatre in Saginaw Michigan is in its original playing condition with all of its original pipes and parts. As original as they come.

The Temple Theatre is currently undergoing a complete 7MILL RESTORATION. I will post a series of photographs when the work is complete.

First film after restoration "White Christmas" on the week end after Thanksgiving 2003.

The Temple has a new DTS6 AD sound system.

KEN
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 10-07-2003, 08:34 AM:
 

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Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 10-07-2003, 08:57 AM:
 
That pure white background in the "Stomp" trailer will really show who cares about "Film Done Right"! (Hint: Where's YOUR film cleaner?)
 

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