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Posted by Michael Rourke (Member # 1142) on 03-19-2003, 03:53 PM:
 
One of my projectionists called me and said that Dreamcatcher has reels 1A and 1B. He only noticed becasue after reel one was unwound he saw credits and a blue screen. I told him to rewind to some image and see if anyone in the film was in that reel, if not then it's probably a short of some kind.

Just looked at the Dreamcatcher page, and it is an AniMatrix movie called the Final Flight of the Osiris. I probably should have looked there first.
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 03-19-2003, 04:01 PM:
 
I think it's a short that has something to do with The Matrix.
 

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Posted by Matt Hale (Member # 1518) on 03-19-2003, 04:03 PM:
 
They have been advertising "Last Flight of the Osiris" - a short animated prequel to the next Matrix movie as playing with Dreamcatcher. I have not seen a print of that movie, nor do I know whether this is in all markets, or just some.
 

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Posted by Andrew Duggan (Member # 1302) on 03-19-2003, 04:19 PM:
 
Did an explanation come in the cans with the print at all? Seems like that would be a good idea, judging from the "quality" of work and attention span of a lot of todays "popcorn projectionists" boast...
 

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Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 03-19-2003, 06:24 PM:
 
For a given "double" (2000') reel, there will always be an "A" and a "B" part. Films are assembled by the negative cutter into 1000' lengths, so reel "1" is actually reel "1AB" and is composed of lab roll 1A and lab roll 1B. Old IB Technicolor prints have a lab splice between the "A" and "B" sections.

This is not to be confused with "A & B roll printing" aka "checkerboard printing," which is a different thing altogether and involves two negative rolls which alternate between picture and black leader at every cut. This allows certain optical effects (like fades, dissolves, superimposition, etc.) to be done as part of the contact printing process (instead of in an optical printer) and is necessary to produce invisible negative splices in 16mm.
 

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Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 03-19-2003, 07:37 PM:
 
This is the case. Reel 1a is the 10 minute short and 1b is the first reel of the film. From what I understand all markets will be getting the short.
 

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Posted by Aldo Baez (Member # 790) on 03-19-2003, 10:18 PM:
 
You can download it at theanimatrix.com its very good fantastic animation.
 

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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 03-19-2003, 10:24 PM:
 
I am SO GLAD you guys posted this here because I saw it right before a projectionist called me at home (at 10pm) to ask what the deal was.

Naturally, I pretended that I "just know these things." I'll tell her the truth next week.

Maybe.

Anyways, thanks.
 

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Posted by Kyle Watkins (Member # 986) on 03-19-2003, 11:16 PM:
 
There is a note with my print.

Please be advised:

"Dreamcatcher" with the "Final Flight" reel is a total of 8 reels.

Reel 1A is the short "Final Flight" and 1B is the start of the feature " Dreamcatcher"

At the beginning of reel 1B is the trailer attachment of "Malibu's Most Wanted"

Thank You,

Warner Bros. Dist. Corp
 

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Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 03-20-2003, 01:18 AM:
 
Hello all. So essentially, the short has its own head and tail with blue screen? I remember MIIB had the Chubb Chubbs, but I wasn't working in booth when we had it. Is it similar to that title? Thanks!

AJ Garman
 

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Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 03-20-2003, 09:30 AM:
 
Chubb Chubbs came to us in a plastic baggie on a core. No reels.
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 03-20-2003, 09:40 AM:
 
Wait a minute...

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Reel 1A is the short "Final Flight" and 1B is the start of the feature " Dreamcatcher"

At the beginning of reel 1B is the trailer attachment of "Malibu's Most Wanted"

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How stupid is that??? I always thought that having trailers attached to a print is a dumb idea anyway, but this seams absolutely retarded!
 

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Posted by Nicholas Roznovsky (Member # 861) on 03-20-2003, 09:54 AM:
 
Putting the attached trailer between the short and the feature makes it much less likely that most projectionists will take the time and trouble to remove it from the print. Distributors don't care so much about presentation, it's all about marketing agreements for them.
 

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Posted by Richard Miller (Member # 1405) on 03-20-2003, 01:33 PM:
 
Our company has sent out an e-mail telling all theaters showing Dreamcatcher to remove the attached trailer. Apparently they thought it was shorter than it actually was due to the 10 min short. Now what are people going to do without being able to see their Malibu's Most Wanted trailer
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 03-20-2003, 01:36 PM:
 
No it won't. If it's the theater's policy to do that, then it's not making it less likely that they'll follow the policy, it just makes extra work for them.
 

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Posted by Michael Atkinson (Member # 1440) on 03-20-2003, 03:45 PM:
 
Well contrary to what the letter says, for our 3 prints of Dreamcatcher:

• Reel 1A had the attached trailer (“Malibu’s Most Wanted”), then the Matrix Short (“Animatrix: The Final Flight of the Osiris”).
• Reel 1B was the start of the feature.

 

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Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 03-21-2003, 03:28 AM:
 
Hello all. As Michael said, our print had Malibu on 1A with the Matrix and the feature starting on 1B. One word of note, we had some major DTS dropouts throughout the film. It kept dropping out on reels 1, 3, 4,5, and 6. I checked the discs and they were perfect. Must be timecode. Hopefully it works better when we run it in SRD. Cheers!

AJ Garman
 

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Posted by Chris Greenwell (Member # 1660) on 03-21-2003, 03:44 AM:
 
We just finished watching Dreamcather and I myself had the DTS fall in and out, but it was only on the first reel, or 1B I suppose... We also had a problem with the exposure, it went dark for a few minutes then it was off color at least through half of reel 1B
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 03-21-2003, 03:50 AM:
 
I'll bet ya dollars to cents that there's a lab splice at one end of the discolouration and that the discolouration is a blue fog.

Get yourself a replacement reel. Not only will it look better for your customers, but the next person that runs it in analog will thank you since the soundtrack invariably gets fogged which causes a very low audio level (with zip for dynamic range).
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 03-21-2003, 08:50 AM:
 
Ours also had the trailer on reel 1A. Guess someone at WB agrees with me, and someone else doesn't!

Our reel 1A had multiple light base scratches running down the entire reel. And it was coded with the new "cap like" code about six times. Nice smooth animation, then BANG! Big orange dots on the screen! How irritating.
 

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Posted by Jonathan M. Crist (Member # 413) on 03-21-2003, 09:08 AM:
 
The new Warner Brothers master licensing agreement that I just signed(and which I understand is being required of all theatres) explicitly says that all attached material (including trailers, featurettes and other material) must be exhibited in full at each screening of the licensed picture (unless Warners gives permission otherwise).

I wonder if this means that Warners will step up inspection and enforcement for those who chronically remove such material and/or fail to send it back with the print.
 

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Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 03-22-2003, 08:00 AM:
 
Mark Marshall wrote:

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And it was coded with the new "cap like" code about six times. Nice smooth animation, then BANG! Big orange dots on the screen! How irritating.

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