I know what you mean. I don't *really* believe your claim but I can kind-of relate.
I've been a tech now since 1998 and right now I would guess that I could fix 95% or more of the common problems but I've never sat down and considered how many problems there could possibly be.
Best way to learn everything there is to know about a particular system is to build one from scratch and understand what each part really does. I'd have to admit that it's probably not very practical (or even possible) for most of us.
Posted by Mike Babb (Member # 1379) on 02-29-2004, 11:52 AM:
I can't speak for all companies but from what I've seen training can work for and against because techs sometimes leave and sometimes to compete against the person who trained them. Also training seems like such an ongoing thing, it's not like anyone could say they are done learning. Several people in my Dolby class had tons of experience yet were still there to learn.
Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 02-29-2004, 05:11 PM:
Having a good electrical, electronic and mechanical background, along with reading technical stuff on the equipment, I just "stepped into it without even knowing."
Like Manny said, there is no school that teaches this crap that I know of. You simply learn it yourself by doing it and working with others that know what the hell they are doing.
Posted by Jason Thode (Member # 1854) on 03-03-2004, 02:29 AM:
At my old theatre, Stonebriar 24, where I started my booth career it was "heres the part, make it work!". Lucky for me there was a manuel and I can reverse engineer off a working projector to get the broken one working again. My babtism of fire was changing out and timing a strong intermittent assembly with the help of only a manuel and dumb luck on my part. 4 hours later it was fixed and working properly again (By the way I can now do this in 10 minutes). When they saw what I could do they had the regional tech Mike Armicost teach me some more here and there. The only weakness I have is sound equipment (help me its scary working on that).
Posted by Luciano Brigite (Member # 1104) on 03-05-2004, 09:02 PM:
I started asprojectionist on late 92, at that time I was still studying,electronics tech course, and had to leave the theatres around the middle of 93, after I got my diploma and realised that fixing electronic stuff ( mostly consumer gear, only worked with sound stuff) I decided to go back to theatre work,after some time my interest in knowing how all that works,how it's set up and maintaned, led me to ask around, most of time getting the "door on the nose" , at the last company I worked for, met some realyl decent people and with them got in touch with a few techs, both mechanic and electrical/electronics, they let me stay around in their shop and see how things are done, my boss at the comapny also gave some help since he saw I had interest in what I was doing. having electronics/electric knowledge from the previous school years helped a lot in that, with 2 years in the last company I bought a projector,put it to run for a while then dismanteld it entirely( at the time never had done that and mechanics aren't really my big deal and I'm not ashamed to day that I don't understand it in full,but i'm not giving up on that) put the thing back to run again, sold it and the person that bought it last time I heard about told the projector is running flawlessly (sp?) untill today. on my last two years in the theatre, after had found FilmTech, and the person that was my boss and the company tech quit his job, managed to identify some problems with a DA20 and have it back to work for 5 months non stop until the day I was sent to another theatre.after I got fired due to theatre closure, have been trying to survive as a freelance tech,did a few maintenance services, full booth setup and had a chance to be a tech and projectionists chief in another theatre chain. in this last one wich I unfirtunately didn't say, set up a double booth from scratch in 2 days ( one projector with tower + sound system per screen) serviced 3 other theatres, returned to the double booth to replace a stripped gear inn a Vic 4 ( No.. that wasn't my fault, the machine was sent to the theatre as is, without any revision) 10 days after the theatre oppening and got amused at myself I dismantled the entire projector, changed gear, reassembled, timmed shutter in about 2 hours ( Ok, the vic 4 doesn't have a lot of gears but I never had
dismantled one before nor had that kind of thing with any projector being under pressure of an annyoing supervisor and the theatre owner wanting to sell tickets for the next show.)
All what I know I learned by myself,with the help of those who let me stay around in their shops and/or told me how to proceed,learned from studying the manuals ( not all of them, only the ones I needed at the time!)available here and again asking around when I wasn't sure or didn't know how to do.
I was told the following once, and think it's very true:
"you didn't born knowing everything, you don't know everything and you will not know everything"
Again, I'm not ashamed in saying " I don't know" when the time comes.To me each time a problem shows up it's a chance to learn something and/or practice what I know.
I'll be soon doing my 4th full rebuilt inna projector and if everything goes well, wil lbe setting it up along with everything else in a brand new theatre, wich I already received lots of calls to give directions to the people that are building it up inside. if it turns out, it may even give a submission for the pics warehouse
Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 03-05-2004, 09:10 PM:
Daryl, can you put L's post thru your summary prg? It just too damn long to read...
(Sorry L, just yanking your chain, bud!)
>>> Phil
Posted by Luciano Brigite (Member # 1104) on 03-05-2004, 10:45 PM:
Sorry..
Didn't realise I wrote too much.. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
[ 03-08-2004, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: Luciano Brigite ]
Posted by Robert E. Allen (Member # 1351) on 03-06-2004, 01:01 AM:
I never became a "Tech" as they are known today. For the 25 years I was in the booth I was an I.A. "operator". I didn't have to worry about fixing a sound problem because we had a service man (usually from RCA) who came around once a month and checked the equipment (even after we went to mag stereo). I served an apprenticeship under several projectionists for about six months before I was given my own booth. I became an operator because my dad was an operator who started in the business in 1916 operating a hand-cranked machine in a 6' x 8' "sweatbox" suspended from an opera house ceiling. He remained in the business until the early '70s. I also owned and operated several theatres and am working on returning to the business as an owner/operator.
Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 03-06-2004, 03:54 AM:
This may be a little off topic, but Bob, I wonder if people tell you all the time that your hairstyle looks just like Sean Connery`s in "Hunt for Red October" ("Captain Ramius")?
Posted by Pete Wolla (Member # 1581) on 03-06-2004, 08:06 AM:
I'm not a tech, but one night while building a print sparks flew from under the make up table and it quit working. i tried building by switching the platter to take up but that seemed like it would take forever.so i flipped the MUT on its side and found a screw had lodged between the coil on the reostat and the mount shorting it out . I got the screw back in place and it worked again. so I'm just a tinker
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-06-2004, 04:22 PM:
I worked these previous jobs plus I collected films and equipement and gained much experience in electronics, mechanics, and optics before ever servicing my first theatre....... I've also had a life long interest in Audio, Film, Photography, and in machining things out of metal. I had originally planned on being a Cinematographer.
All these hobbies and previous jobs allowed me to literally fall right into the being a Cinema Tech.
TV Repair Shop during High School - 3 years
Audio Repair for a malor Hi-Fi chain after high school - 2 years
Bench Tech for Panasonic - 5 years
Still camera and lens repair Tech, Canon USA - 2 years
Ran the Audiovisual Service Department for The Wheaton School District - 2 years This was at the time the 2nd largest school district in the U.S.
Broadcast Television Engineer - 3 Years, Also started to collect 35 and 70mm films and equipment during this time, rebuilt many projectors at home in my spare time Also met Steve Kraus and sold him a Super Simplex booth.
I was then asked by a local dealer that I ws buying parts through to do some servicing for him so I kicked the then hard to get into Broadcast TV habit, which I hated anyway. After about 3 months of now and then service calls a local chain was needing a tech so I was referred to them by the dealer and I filled that spot. Stayed there about 4 years then went back on my own and started Midwest Theatre Supply. Also worked on numerous feature films and provided location dailies projection equipment, also built the VistaVision projector shown on the photo pages here and aquired my VistaVision camera.
After a nervous breakdown and also because many customers were bought out by the "Big Chains" I shut down Midwest Theatre Supply and retired to Utah and am now doing service work in some of the most beautiful areas of the U.S.
Sorry, mine is almost as long as Luciano's.... but then I've been there and done that so to say.
Mark
Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 03-06-2004, 04:41 PM:
I never had any formal training. I started in 35mm at a second-run eight-plex nine years ago since I seemed the most apt and competent of anyone else sweeping floors. Years went by, I went to a first-run, ten-screen, Presentation-Is-Everything type of company, and I learned quite a bit more. Then I got the opportunity to be part of the "team" at a huge twenty-two auditorium megaplex with an IMAX ... well, guess who got to be the new IMAX guy?
IMAX definitely is a different animal (well, the projector itself was dubbed "The Beast", for one!) and I'm still in the 15/70 game at my second location (so far).
Posted by Robert E. Allen (Member # 1351) on 03-06-2004, 04:51 PM:
"This may be a little off topic, but Bob, I wonder if people tell you all the time that your hairstyle looks just like Sean Connery`s in "Hunt for Red October" ("Captain Ramius")?"
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Actually no Michael. But I feel really blessed because at nearly 72 I still have my hair. In the past I have been compared with Santa and Kenny Rogers.
Posted by Chris Byrne (Member # 1563) on 03-06-2004, 06:44 PM:
I was hired at a nightclub just after my 20th birthday. A week later I was running a box (all but a little dodgy.)
Trial and error - mostly error back then. I've had some good training with the company I'm with now, however in the early days it was 'sink or swim!'
Posted by Jackson Gilman (Member # 2142) on 03-08-2004, 07:00 PM:
How to become a tech? Go to this website and read other problem related posts...Management is always happy when a non-engineer crew member can fix or even identify a problem!
[--bring in sappy music--]
Without Film-Tech, I wouldn't have my coordinator position. Thanks Film-Tech! [--cut to slow motion shot of a projector running in background, with me thumbs up and smiling!--]
Posted by Don Bruechert (Member # 1538) on 03-08-2004, 11:24 PM:
I've always gotten along better with machinery than with people.
In grade school, starting about 5th grade, I was an A/V geek and set up 16 mm projectors and VHS players the size of tanks in classrooms for teachers (and other library duties).
That went on to being an A/V geek in Jr. High and High School too, but I also added a lot of computers, some electronics repair, small engine repair and auto repair just for kicks.
Then I graduated and forgot all about it.
In 1992, intrigued with the toys, I volunteered to become a theatre geek, al learned all about professional sound and lighting gear. I have been here for 12 years, and am still doing it, but am now employed and living in the building - I also take care of all the telephone equipment, the boiler and a few other things, and spent about 4 years doing a lot of tech work for a rock band that is fairly popular in this area. After 4 years I got burned out on that, especially after I found out the roadies never get laid - you have to actually BE in the band to get laid.
Then about 2 years ago, a really good friend of mine called me up and told me he was hurting for management staff at the local theater. So I said what the hell and joined up. I found it's basically the same thing as high school, except bigger and we have platters instead of reels. Also instead of a cheesy little speaker on the front of the projector (it is on the side now!) there is a whole audio system slapped on there too.
So that's the story... Funny, considering I went to college to become a computer programmer, and that is more of a hobby and a few side jobs worth of income than half of the other crap I do. My real job is in the hospital. I take care of a PBX system the size of a couple of refrigerators, and all the stuff that goes with it, along with a bunch of engineering and project management stuff, and a bunch of overall ass-kissing in general.
The few moments of spare time I have when I'm not sleeping I spend with Rachel!!
Posted by Gary Crawford (Member # 2038) on 03-09-2004, 01:15 PM:
I don't think I qualify as a "tech" but I can handle most of what comes up.
Afriend of mine in high school was already a projectionist and he asked me if I would be interested in working booths over the upcoming summer. I was handy, reasonably mechanical, so I went for it. I was hired to work as relief projectionist in all of the theaters around the Asbiry Park NJ area and the experience I gained working all those booths and the different equipment was priceless. The local Altec sound man (who was also the local IA BA) took me along occasionally when he did sound and maintenance calls, again priceless experience. Okay kid, learn this stuff.
It all later helped immensely when I was director of live TV for horse racing simulcasting (and the old stuff that needed to be duct taped every day to keep it running)
A few more steps ahead and I learned how to run (and fix) satellite Earth stations.
I showed my wife the proper way to clean and service VCRs and she had a decent little part time business going for awhile.
It all paid off, and 99% of it was by hands-on experience.
No, I'm not a tech but I've managed to keep my pair of 1938 Super Simplexes running night after night.
Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 08-10-2011, 11:54 PM:
It has been 2710 days since the last post.
Posted by Jen Pelto (Member # 6447) on 08-10-2011, 11:54 PM:
Can I bump this thread?
I tried posting a new topic but was denied because of similar taglines -- so I searched the forums and found this thread.
I have been running a 2-screen theater for about 3 years with my husband and I am pretty much the only trained projectionist. It's a lot of trial-and-error/tinkering/failed shows that has gotten me the knowledge I possess now.
I was just wondering (7 years after the original post) if there were any seminars or "formal training" I could take to better my skills.
I sometimes feel silly holding a wrench upstairs desperately trying to figure out what to do, and not knowing at all. At that point, I usually call in a tech, but sometimes they are reserved when it comes to showing me how to fix it.
(That old, "teach a man to fish" proverb comes to mind).
Aside from reading manuals, scouring forums, and following the techs I hire around like puppy dogs, is there anything more I can do? I'd love to be the best projectionist I can be. I find the work interesting and fun, and I love being able to fix things when they go wrong. Especially on Friday nights
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 08-11-2011, 03:30 AM:
I've been in the industry for 41yrs .. and with watching the techs on what they do, asking questions left and right on the procedures on their work, along with studying projector/sound manuals, I've gone from changeover houses to automated booths...
...and now learning digital....and that's a whole new animal to tame and get under control. I find myself going back to square one being around this medium with starting anew.
You got a good mind of wanting to learn, just keep observing and moving forward...
..but think about digital in the future since it's coming up pretty steadily..
Good luck-Monte
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-11-2011, 07:20 AM:
Monte... The Series One animal has been tamed. It's now called Series Two and it does indeed make life easier. Thankfully, I now only have a half dozen Series One to deal with... majority is Series Two!
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 08-11-2011, 10:15 AM:
A wise engineer once told me "experience is memory"
Entertainment Equipment in Buffalo does run seminars as do several other service corporations
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 08-11-2011, 01:58 PM:
Ya, and I want to see the results of these Series 2, 4k units - what the image on the screen looks like..
(Now, really trying to learn more digital since, in 6 months, my tenure with 35mm will be over when our theatre goes full digital..or hit the streets in search for a new career...)
Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 08-11-2011, 04:13 PM:
Jen: I like your attitude!
. . . . and get a better tech. Any GREAT tech is more than happy to instruct. I always felt that teaching is the most rewarding part of doing the work. Otherwise, you (as a tech) just become more slave labor. Louis
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-11-2011, 05:36 PM: