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Posted by Larry Shaw (Member # 388) on 03-10-2004, 07:28 PM:

We just finished a complete redesign, some of you might enjoy a look around.

Posted by Ian Price (Member # 14) on 03-10-2004, 08:58 PM:

http://www.kinotonamerica.com/

I should get a free projector just for listing the site. [Big Grin]

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 03-10-2004, 09:04 PM:

Larry should get one too!

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Website:http://www.kinotonamerica.com

Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 03-10-2004, 09:22 PM:

Great site.

Small typo @ Cinema Equipment >> 35mm w/mechanical intermittent
Technical specs, voltage. Looks like a "1" was dropped.

Posted by Dan Lyons (Member # 1454) on 03-10-2004, 09:32 PM:

How about some "suggested retail prices" next to each model projector. [Wink]

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-10-2004, 10:04 PM:

"How about some "suggested retail prices" next to each model projector."

Dan you don't want their server to go up in flames do you..... I doubt it can handle that many digits?

No, just kidding here. There ARE affordable Kinoton machines priced right in line with a new Simplex costs... BL&S has done a great job of holding the prices in line unlike Arriflex when they had the line.

By the way... which would you buy?

Mark @ CLACO

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 03-10-2004, 11:04 PM:

Nice redesign.

*Site is only happy with Internet Explorer. Opera doesn't work at all and Netscape only works on some of the links. Be sure and mention this to your webmaster since the code is not fully compliant amongst different browsers (translating into less viewers).

*Why not list all of the available versions of the projectors? I am specifically thinking of the "short" versions of the console units. [Smile]

Posted by Larry Shaw (Member # 388) on 03-10-2004, 11:08 PM:

Steve,
Thanks for the heads up.

Dan,
Already keeping up with all the models (and we don't show everything) and updates drives us crazy; adding pricing changes would make us into raving lunatics. Also showing "list prices" can confuse and scare away folks who don't understand the pricing conventions of this business. It is fair to say that our "normal" products (like regular 35mm heads or consoles) are price competitive with most other manufacturers (but we believe of superior quality). The more unusual and sophisticated, the more expensive of course. Then again, those toys are the most interesting!

Posted by Larry Shaw (Member # 388) on 03-11-2004, 02:55 AM:

Brad,
I've forwarded your 1st question to the web code guy.
The 2nd point about the reduced height columns was on the "E" page, but not the "D" page. I'll add it. Thanks.

Space precludes listing every option individually, but I try to cover most options and variants. However there isn't much liklihood of someone "just stumbling across" a product like our 1570 continuous loop platter on the site and buying one.

Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 03-11-2004, 03:02 AM:

The DCP 12 looks exactly like the Barco D-Cinema Premiere DP50. It actually is the same picture. Why do you do that? Can`t you and Barco agree on a common model designation?

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 03-11-2004, 04:42 AM:

Ok I'll bite...send over some info on that 1570 loop platter! [Big Grin]

Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 03-11-2004, 04:56 AM:

Out of curiousity, why does the picture of the FP-38 E-S show the film feeding emulsion-in and taking up emulsion-out? That's the exact opposite of standard practice in the US. Did they do that just to show how flexible the machine is (with electronic takeup drive, etc.), or was there some other reason.

And if anyone wants to send me a pair of those machines (the 16/35) for, um, "long term evaluation" purposes, I wouldn't complain. [Big Grin]

Posted by Dan Lyons (Member # 1454) on 03-11-2004, 11:17 AM:

I'm with Scott. If I were rich I'd go for the FP 38ES, with Dolby Digital and three lens turret. [thumbsup]

Danny

Posted by Larry Shaw (Member # 388) on 03-11-2004, 11:40 AM:

Michael,
Although essentially the same, there are sometimes differences such as using Kinoton's own water cooler or control systems. The "picture head" is exactly the same.

Brad, I don't have a sheet for the ST 2000 EK 70 SP, but the one I saw looked just like the ST 2000 shown on http://www.kinotonamerica.com/cinemaEquipment/endlessLoopSystem.asp , only with 70mm parts, and turning really, really fast. I'll add that this part of the Kinoton factory, the platter assembly area, is always my favorite because on the wall they have a copy of that photo of me and Mike Rome standing on one of their platters. They always recognize me....I feel like a star!

Scott,
Note that the T/U reel is threaded differently in the 16mm and 35mm photos. The electronic system will go either way on either reel. Why? I don't know. I doubt it was any big plan, more likely just which way the tech working with the photographer felt like threading it.

Dan,
If you upgraded to a FP 38EQ, you could do still frame; handy for analyzing any "wardrobe malfunctions"!

Posted by Juan Urias (Member # 1990) on 03-11-2004, 11:50 AM:

very nice re-designed site..

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 03-11-2004, 02:20 PM:

Good point about that picture Larry. That really should be on your platter page...as well as the Ian Price pic. [Big Grin]

Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 04-17-2004, 04:29 AM:

Scott, most common here is to feed and take up emulsion in on 35mm, though I can think of places that feed emulsion out, and one that used to take up emulsion out; that was on a double-sided tower, and they had to run off the back side of the tower, due to space restrictions in the projection box.

On 16mm it starts to get complicated. The normal standard for 16mm prints, and by far the most common, is for the base to face the lamp as it would when projecting original reversal material. The same geometry was quite convienient for VNF original -> interneg -> release print or original neg -> CRI -> release print, but not very convienient for normal neg/pos working, and you can find 16mm prints with ehe emulsion on either side. I've even seen both spliced together within a single print! When running base to lamp, a spool running clockwise will be feeding, or taking up, emulsion out, and vica-versa, the opposite of 35. This assumes a conventional right-hand machine; there were quite a few left-handed 16mm machines, Carpenter, Hortson and Philips spring to mind, but there were others, and with these the situation reverses again, assuming that you are viewing clockwise and anti-clockwise from the operating side, so left-handed machine, base to lamp, anti-clockwise, would be emulsion out. I had to think about that one! Then just wait until you get a print with the old D.I.N. sound standard, it's the opposite to normal 16mm, with the track on the left, and the perfs on the right; assuming that you don't have a projector designed for it, you have to flip it over, putting the emulsion on the opposite side, re-focus the sound optics, and project via a mirror or prism, or directly on to a rear screen. Folks who only run 35mm don't know how complicated life can get. [Eek!]

Then with stereo sep-mag there is the complication that European and US standards for track positions differ: it's left on centre and right on edge track in Europe, I think. About the only way in which 16mm is better standardised than 35mm is the spindles, which always seem to be 5/16" square for 16mm, but with 35mm can be 5/16, 3/8, 1/2 or 9mm with several different sizes and positions and positions of keys or driving pins, and odd machine like the Fedi Solo, GBN portable and BTH Mk.1 SUPA, which do totally their own thing. I've seen 9 different standards, I think.

I can think of several 16mm machines where the take-up turns the opposite way, Micron and Bolex portables, and older Fumeo pedestal machines for example.

On the various small gauges, with the Kodak designed ones, 16mm, 8mm and Super-8 the spools tend to turn clockwise, while on the Pathe designed ones, 9.5mm, 17.5mm Rural and possibly 28mm, I'm not sure about that one, they tend to turn anti-clockwise. I don't know why.