Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE: Mr. 3000 Cyan Track.... Got to wonder how many got caught without red

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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-17-2004, 06:37 PM:

I've got to wonder how many theatre owners/operators got caught with their pants down tonight with the opening of this film.....? The print here in Jackson, WY. is very cyan and to my ears sounded just fine with no noticable difference between it and the previews that ran before hand.

Mark @ CLACO

Posted by Steve Kraus (Member # 476) on 09-17-2004, 08:11 PM:

Very cyan. [Confused]

Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 09-17-2004, 08:55 PM:

quote: Steve Kraus was the last to post
Very cyan.

It all depends on what wavelength you are on! [Big Grin]

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-17-2004, 10:53 PM:

quote:
It all depends on what wavelength you are on!

Well the air here is definately ALOT cleaner than most places so there are probably more wavelengths of light reaching the ground..... so yes.... It looks very cyan to me... [Cool]

.... does it not look very cyan to you [eyes]

?

Mark

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 09-17-2004, 11:13 PM:

We were in Jackson Hole the week after Labor Day...dittoes on the clean air. (Not that it's dirty where we live either, but JH has that awesome evergreen addition.)

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-18-2004, 06:27 PM:

Yea, Jackson is ALOT of fun. I like the service trips up there as all the shows start by 4PM so I'm ususally done and out by 3:30 to give them time to get the booth readied. After that time I'm usually out somewhere hiking and or photographing. It got cold for a couple of days but warmed up the last few days I was there... Over the last two weeks there I overhauled EVERY projector in town(yes literally 7) plus installed single blade conversions onto some first generation P35's that are pretty odd inside. I will post a pix if one of its innards later to see if anyone else has any like these... Interestingly the P35's are 11 years old and had most of the original bearings in them.... yes they sounded like cement mixers but now after only 100 plus bearings they just purr right along and one can actually talk to another person whilst standing in the booth again.

Mark @ CLACO

Posted by Barry Martin (Member # 1376) on 09-18-2004, 09:36 PM:

I've been meaning to ask about this since I received the notice in a can a couple months ago. We have white readers and thus these tracks would be undesireable in our theater so I was wondering if anyone could guesstimate how much replacing these two readers would cost, or if it's something a good projectionist, not technician, could install. Also, is BV the only company doing this or are there others I should ask before booking the film? Thanks!

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-18-2004, 10:20 PM:

Barry,
Its not something that you can install your self unless you go with the JAX Light..... which is less desirable in itself. There is not much choice but to convert over to red light of some sort. It will take a technician with the right equipment to properly install a red scanner system.

This is going to be industry wide sooner than you might think. For now you can stay white light if you don't want to play any Disney, or Touchphone filums. Next up to switch over I believe is MGM.

Mark @ CLACO

Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 09-18-2004, 10:21 PM:

So far, Disney, MGM, and Miramax have announced plans to convert to cyan dye analog tracks, and Ted Costas of Dolby who works closely with distributors expects more to announce by ShowEast in October. More information and links are on the dye tracks website:

http://www.dyetracks.org

Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 09-19-2004, 12:36 AM:

quote:
I was wondering if anyone could guesstimate how much replacing these two readers would cost, or if it's something a good projectionist, not technician, could install. Also, is BV the only company doing this or are there others I should ask before booking the film? Thanks!

Component Engineering readers ordered from most dealers cost approximately US$500 each. Prices from other dealers or brands may be more or less , YMMV.

As john mentioned, BV, Miramax, MGM and certain DreamWorks titles (Woody Allen) are going all-cyan.

-Aaron

[ 09-20-2004, 12:47 AM: Message edited by: Aaron Sisemore ]

Posted by Barry Martin (Member # 1376) on 09-19-2004, 09:43 PM:

Thanks guys, will look into it and be sure to ask when booking, guess I should have tried to stay more in the "know" while not working at a theater over the past 2 years. [Roll Eyes]

I figured it would be something that would require proper equipment for setup, just thought I'd ask instead of poking around in the sound head trying to figure it out and shut us down. Thanks again!

P.S. John, you know you have some "film done wrong" right there....on your chin. [Razz]

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-19-2004, 10:12 PM:

So Aaron, You're saying that Jack Roe is also acting as a dealer selling theatre equipment? Thats a bit tacky for a manufacturer to be doing IMHO. I wonder how many others are aware of that one.....?

Mark

Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 09-20-2004, 12:58 AM:

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
So Aaron, You're saying that Jack Roe is also acting as a dealer selling theatre equipment?

Mark, we bought the readers from Dick Niccum at LIT (who does deal in [mostly used] cinema equipment as well as their own new products). The Jack Roe reference was a mistake, I was thinking of something else regarding JRUSA.

Anyways? JR sells Cinemeccanica equipment (I believe they are now the official US distributor for Cinemeccanica), and CIR splicers, and other booth supplies, etc...

be back in a week!

-Aaron

Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 09-20-2004, 09:00 AM:

Mark that is no different than CPI and Marble Co that manufactured and imported/distributed supplies and equipment and also sold direct (as do any manufacturer to a large circuit)

Posted by Ted Costas (Member # 473) on 09-20-2004, 12:35 PM:

It's Monday morning, after the opening weekend of "Mr.3000", and thus far, we have only one reported problem. I'm awaiting final details, but after speaking with Disney this morning, there was just a single theatre that got the movie that had infra-red readers... yes, infra-red. This is the worst possible scenario, no sound. But, it was the only problem in a 100% cyan release, of a film that was number two at the box office.

How many prints? I don't know the exact amount, but they did title the film, "Mr.3000"... I would think that you'd be safe guestimating that as the total number of prints manufactured for this release, so far.

With one problem reported.

Just one.

That, my good friends, is a home run!

If any of you are aware of any other problems, please let me know.

All the best, Ted

Posted by Ian Joseph Parfrey (Member # 2682) on 09-20-2004, 05:56 PM:

Someone out there may be able to answer this for me.

I have recently had the pleasure of watching one of the new Technicolor dye transfer prints and was mightily impressed by the vibrancy of the image. These prints use the old technique of printing on B&W stock with a silver image for the soundtrack.
Will there be any move to dye transfer prints with cyan tracks or will they stick with the tried and true?

Just a thought.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-20-2004, 06:43 PM:

Technicolor has mothballed and possibly dismantled the new dye transfer equipment...Bob Harris would know the answer to that. It was really only capable of doing small runs anyway....albiet at much higher printing speeds than were originally used. I suggest that you enjoy what few prints that were made as you probably will never see any more unless the likes of Bob Harris or Steven Squeelberg can coherece them into making them again.

Mark @ CLACO

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 09-20-2004, 06:53 PM:

Weren't they looking for a school or similar group to come and take all of the equipment off their hands? I've got to agree with Mark, it doesn't sound like you're going to see anything new printed.