Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE: Erneman 35mm Projectors

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Posted by Matt Hollis (Member # 2954) on 03-25-2005, 09:30 AM:

Hello once again ladies and gentlemen. Does anyone on here use or have any information on Erneman 35mm projectors. I am looking for some positives and negatives as far as the picture it produces, maintainance required, and ease of use. Thanks for your help.

Matt

Posted by Thomas Jonsson (Member # 1902) on 03-25-2005, 04:03 PM:

Matt
What Ernemann projector are we talking about? They have
been made for almost 100 years. I have worked with Ernemann
II, IV, V, VIIIB and IX. All made by Zeiss Ikon and generally
very good. Only weakness is a tendency to leak oil. I´ve also
worked with the non-Zeiss Ernemann XII (the helicopter), the
ugliest and lousiest machine I´ve ever had the misfortune to
be working with. I have never worked with the Ernemann 15, but
it´s known to be a good machine.

Thomas

Posted by Christian Appelt (Member # 1067) on 03-25-2005, 05:15 PM:

For their present product line, look here

Ernemann CineTec Home

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-25-2005, 09:24 PM:

I have about 15 of them in my service area and I have basically zero problems with them. They don't leak and they ALL still have the original analog Lasers in them. They do have several weak points and the main one is the distance the aperature plate is back from the film and the velvet runners. Velvet is just not a day in day out material for the average multiplex operation. All this results in somewhat of an unsharp edge on the image. I've also rep[laced a couple of the Papst outer rotor motors as well, they are quite pricey at about 800.00 U.S., Kinoton uses the same exact motor! I was able to install new bearings in one of them and that location now has a spare motor. Also, additional cooling fans may be needed for lamps above 2kw.

Mark @ CLACO

Posted by Thomas Jonsson (Member # 1902) on 03-26-2005, 05:46 AM:

Mark,
I guess you are talking about the Ernemann 15? I have no
experience with them, but all the older Ernemanns I´ve worked
with leaked oil, especially the Ernemann IX. Besides that I
never had any trouble at all with them. German quality! The
one I liked most was Ernemann VIIIB. Nice and quiet. Looked
beatiful with magazine covers and original Zeiss arc lamp, all
in light grey hammer finnish.

Thomas

Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 03-26-2005, 06:56 PM:

Hmmm, a 6 micron slit and a source that remains constant for an extended life....that laser light system sounds very appealing. Does anyone else use a laser in the reverse scan systems? I thought Smart did at one time but it is no longer in their catalog. How bout sticking a laser in one end of a forward scanner instead of the white exciter like the home brew hi-intensity LED unit?

Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 03-26-2005, 06:58 PM:

Frank that is how the ACL laser works

Also the only erneman machine I disliked was the 9 terrible lens mount
The 8b was a workhorse

Posted by Sam D. Chavez (Member # 1841) on 03-26-2005, 08:59 PM:

The laser seems to be a great idea as Frank states, but it is not a good way to light a soundtrack. It is the very essence of collimated light when what you need for this application is non-collimated or diffuse light.

Collimated light makes dirt and scratches on the soundtrack much more prominent.

Why it even sounds as good as it does is a mystery to me.

Posted by Christos Mitsakis (Member # 143) on 03-27-2005, 12:28 PM:

Kinoton also uses a laser unit for conversion of Bauer, Meopta and Ernemann projectors to read cyan track.

C.

Posted by Sam D. Chavez (Member # 1841) on 03-28-2005, 12:17 AM:

Kinoton does not make a laser unit for their own projector. Only the best for Kinoton?

BACP now make a reverse scan reader for the Meopta projector.

Our reader replaces the exciter lamp, relay mirror, front scan lens and solar cell.

We will be showing it in Amsterdam.

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 03-28-2005, 09:20 AM:

Yeah? What about the Eastman 25? Gotta reader for that?

Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 03-31-2005, 06:50 PM:

Eastman 25....Yeah! a stereo one to fit my one-of-a-kind Kintek 16.(Yes, Dan, but what will we use for film?)

Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 04-01-2005, 07:50 AM:

I have not heard of any plans for 16mm prints to convert to cyan dye tracks. It's a relatively small market, and labs usually have a slower processing machine dedicated to the format, so the environmental impact of maintaining soundtrack application and wash-off for dye+silver tracks is much less than for the billions of feet of 35mm release prints processed annually.

Posted by Andrew McCrea (Member # 674) on 05-15-2005, 12:58 PM:

On the topic of Ernemanns (the 15 series)...

Cost wise (initially, maintenance, resale), how are these comparable to other current projectors?

Any bang for the buck, with picure quality, etc.?

Do the units on their website, such as the E15-5000, come with the reels, projector, lamphouse, etc.

Posted by Andrew McCrea (Member # 674) on 05-16-2005, 02:30 AM:

BUMP