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Posted by Steven J Hart (Member # 2340) on 12-28-2005, 09:19 AM:
 
Christmas day I started my first show and found that the bottom film guide roller (Kelmar) beneath the projecter had seized up. I didn't have an appropriate lubricant available so I sprayed a bit of Film Guard on the bearing area. Sure enough, after working the roller forward and back a couple times it came free and ran happily.

BTW: what is the best lubricant for this type of bearing?

Steve
 

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Posted by Cory Isemann (Member # 2517) on 12-28-2005, 09:28 AM:
 
If it's not a sealed bearing, I usually hit it with a little WD-40, making sure to wipe off excess.
 

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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 12-28-2005, 09:52 AM:
 
Really... just replace the dang roller. Its a 20 buck item. Far less than the cost of a damaged print . If you are going to re-use the old roller carefully inspect it for damage since it had film dragging across it.

WD-40 is a big no-no in the booth, sometimes causing more harm that one realizes. I always confiscate bottles of WD when I find them. Ball bearings should be lightly lubricated with the proper grease for the longest service life. Projector oil in the bearing would be better than WD for a temporary fix. BTW: The bearing in that roller is a $4.00 item from any bearing distributer!!

For plastic rollers that turn on a steel shaft like the SPECO guidance rollers a tiny bit of synthetic oil works well. LaVezzi has handy 4 ounce bottles for those sort of jobs. Synthetics won't attack the plastic and they don't evaporate.

At any rate but I do commend you on getting it turning again... thats far better than it not turning but a correct fix is in order there.

Mark
 

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Posted by Steve Scott (Member # 630) on 12-28-2005, 12:52 PM:
 
I've used FG on squeaky rollers, too. As long as they're kept clean, its a useful application.
 

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Posted by Dominic Espinosa (Member # 2122) on 12-28-2005, 02:33 PM:
 
We've used FilmGuard on EVERYTHING.

FilmGuard is THE WD40 of the film world!
Squeeky platter roller? FilmGuard it!
Latteral guide rollers stiff? FilmGuard it!
Can't get that preassure strap clean? FilmGuard it!

Yes folks, FilmGuard fixes everything!

You can also use it around the theater for other things to...

That damn theater door won't stop squeeking? FilmGuard it!
Chicken little window cling left behind twin trails of sticky crap nothing under your counter will get off? FilmGuard it!
Lock cylinder froze up? FilmGuard it!

Yes that's right. I said FilmGuard it!

By the way, we've actually used it for all these purposes at one point or another. Don't question my authority!
 

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Posted by Richard Hamilton (Member # 321) on 12-28-2005, 02:58 PM:
 
I keep a bottle on my nightstand. Never know when it's a "chilly"night and you need some lube!
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 12-28-2005, 04:29 PM:
 
No joke here, I actually spray my trash bags with a squirt of FG when putting them out at the street for pickup the next morning. It has completely stopped the neighborhood dogs from tearing into them and spreading the garbage all over the yard.

(Honestly though I think you could use damn near any chemical for this purpose.)
 

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Posted by Bruce Hansen (Member # 281) on 12-28-2005, 05:01 PM:
 
What else can you use Film-Guard on? See the picture on the left. Makes your ski just slip right through the water. OK, yes, it was done as a joke, but hay, it could work.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 12-28-2005, 05:38 PM:
 
I'll bet spraying it on one of them slip'n'slide snow disks (like in Christmas Vacation) you'd really fly! Or even on sled runners maybe.
 

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Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 12-28-2005, 05:50 PM:
 
..it's also good for shooting at spiders (especially black widows) that love to wander around in the booth. (LOL)

..squeaky platter rollers loves this stuff.

stuff's good for sliding door tracks.

-Monte
 

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Posted by Will Kutler (Member # 770) on 12-28-2005, 06:01 PM:
 
Waiting for Phil Hill to post some uses for F.G!
 

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Posted by Andy Muirhead (Member # 712) on 12-28-2005, 06:15 PM:
 

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen

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WD-40 is a big no-no in the booth, sometimes causing more harm that one realizes.

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I used to find FG fantastic for cleaning, well anything!

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quote: Brad Miller

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I actually spray my trash bags with a squirt of FG when putting them out at the street for pickup the next morning. It has completely stopped the neighborhood dogs from tearing into them and spreading the garbage all over the yard.

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A 5# bag of dry dog food soaked in a gallon of automobile antifreeze will do the same trick but you'll only ever have to do it once!

What?!! The bottle FELL and dumped all over that bag of dog food! I was just throwing it away with the rest of the garbage!
Honest!!
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 12-28-2005, 11:23 PM:
 

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A 5# bag of dry dog food soaked in a gallon of automobile antifreeze will do the same trick but you'll only ever have to do it once!

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I seem to recall reading that you could just toss a Hershey chocolate bar over the fence for the same effect.
 

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Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 12-29-2005, 08:26 AM:
 
It would have to be baking chocolate. Regular chocolate doesn't have enough theobromine in it. (Theorbromine is the substance in chocolate that people mistake for caffeine. Caffeine doesn't usually occur naturally in chocolate.)

Antifreeze tends short circuit an animal's sense of satiation, causing the animal to gorge itself. Chocolate can have that effect on animals but there often isn't enough of it to do the job.

Second, there is no antidote for antifreeze. The vet can pump the animal's stomach and administer agents to absorb the poison from the system but once the stuff gets into the bloodstream the liver begins to convert it into deadly poison. If the animal isn't taken to the vet in about a half hour, it will surely die.
 

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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 12-29-2005, 08:42 AM:
 

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It would have to be baking chocolate. Regular chocolate doesn't have enough theobromine in it. (Theorbromine is the substance in chocolate that people mistake for caffeine. Caffeine doesn't usually occur naturally in chocolate.)

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Thanks Randy for that Chemistry lesson!! Now I can make fun of all my Mormon friends that say they don't "do" chocolate because of the caffene it contains. I just may have T-Shirts printed up for them to wear around and help quell that bit of lore.... Oddly... there are more chocolate candy factories here than anywhere else I've been to .

Mark

[ 12-29-2005, 10:51 AM: Message edited by: Mark Gulbrandsen ]
 

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Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 12-29-2005, 11:16 AM:
 
Theobromine is a relative of caffeine but it is not caffeine. They are two distinct substances.

Wikipedia article: Theorbomine

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Theobromine is a bitter alkaloid of the methylxanthine family, which also includes the similar compounds theophylline and caffeine. Despite its name, the compound contains no bromine — theobromine is derived from Theobroma, the genus of the cacao tree, which is composed of the Greek roots theo ("God") and broma ("food"), meaning "food of the gods".

It is the primary alkaloid found in cocoa and chocolate, and is one of the causes for chocolate's mood-elevating effects. The amount found in chocolate is small enough that chocolate can be safely consumed by humans in large quantities, but animals that metabolize theobromine more slowly, such as cats and dogs, can easily consume enough chocolate to cause chocolate poisoning.

Theobromine is a stimulant frequently confused with caffeine. Theobromine has very different effects on the human body from caffeine; it is a mild, lasting stimulant with a mood improving effect, whereas caffeine has a strong, immediate effect and increases stress.

In medicine, it is used as a diuretic, vasodilator, and myocardial stimulant. Scientists have recently discovered that theobromine has an antitussive effect superior to codeine by suppressing vagus nerve activity.[1]

Theobromine is known to induce gene mutations in lower eukaryotes and bacteria. At the time of a 1997 report by the IARC, mutations had not been found in higher eukaryotes, such as humans,[2] but in 1999 the SAX dangerous properties and environmental fate handbook reported human mutations. Theobromine is used as an experimental teratogen in mice and rabbits.[3]

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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 12-29-2005, 11:27 AM:
 
Randy,

Thats way too much info... you've got to keep this a secret man. We don't want "Them" to know.....

Mark
 

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Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 12-29-2005, 01:54 PM:
 
LOL - Wish I did that to our neighbor's dog after I sent the owners to court twice for disturbing my family's peace a couple of years ago.

Have to remember the FG trick on the trash thing though.
 

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Posted by Steven J Hart (Member # 2340) on 12-29-2005, 06:06 PM:
 
Doesn't seem to be much love for "Man's Best Friend" around here!
 

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Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 12-29-2005, 07:50 PM:
 
In my case, it was raccoons and opossums getting into the garbage. It wasn't until after they tore the bags open that the dogs and cats started getting into it.

Once I put the antifreeze out with the garbage, the whole problem stopped. I haven't had a problem in over two years.

None of my neighbors have dogs that are allowed to roam. There used to be about a half dozen cats roaming around here but the coyotes got most of them. The only two cats left are the ones that the owners keep in at night.
 

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Posted by John Hawkinson (Member # 1135) on 12-29-2005, 09:49 PM:
 
So, err, aren't there regulatory issues here (both in terms of checmical disposal, as well as in terms of what you can do to animals in your community)? [Not to mention the moral issues...]

--jhawk
 

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Posted by Jason Black (Member # 684) on 12-29-2005, 09:50 PM:
 
Maybe I should put out a small bowl of antifreeze for the damn cat that has taken roost outside my door as of late..

We don't feed it, yet it continues to linger around. Out of 150+ houses in my 'hood, this black bitch picks MY dirveway to hang out in.

I feel bad for the cat becuase, obviously, the piece of shit who bought it, or the female it was spawned from, cares little about them to begin with, else it would be indoors, where it belongs.

Because someone else isn't considerate enough to contain/control their own pet(s), I have to be the asshole who rids the neighborhood of at least one cat...


 

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Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 12-29-2005, 10:26 PM:
 
It's ironic how we'll have a thread about how some heartless guy/girl threw a dog out of a speeding car, or how some teenagers put firecrackers up their cats butt for fun, and everyone here crys out "Kill the bastards!", but here we have a discussion of how to get rid of animals with chemicals and such... nice.
 

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Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 12-30-2005, 02:37 AM:
 
I'll chime on the dog thingey then end:

When I was 12, riding my bike down the country lane to the store, the neighbor down the road had a dog who hates kids on bicycles for some STUPID reason.

I happened to be one of them MINDING MY OWN FRIKKEN BUSINESS!

On the way to the store, the animal (doberman) following me, barking at me like he had my number like a bad disease. Then on the way back to the store, the dog figured that he had enough of me, jumped up, grabbed me by the leg and yanked me off the bicycle ripping my leg open pretty bad.

NOW, the question is here: WHAT THE FRIK DID I DO TO DESERVE THIS PUNISHMENT? If I did something that I shouldn't have, then I can see it. But minding my own business like a good civilized individual (as it was apparent that this dog wasn't civilized..) just couldn't rectify the reason for the attack outside of poor owner handling, discipline and training.

This insident was pretty tramatic for me that had never experienced such a violent insident before and which was tee-totally uncalled for.

This HUGE CROCK of BS about "Man's Best Friend" should include "only to the owners, but strangers, you are their enemies..!"

Well, I still came out of the end okey. My father's lawsuit to the dog owner paid for my college education and then some, and the owner had his dog destroyed by order of the court.

Sorry, I quit now, but had to vent on this side topic ...

Back on topic: A print that came in tonite was edged marked for 6 feet on each end with "aluminum paint" of all things and rather sloppily placed on the film. Good ol' FG soaked on a corner of a rag, took that aluminum paint off very nicely.

thx-Monte
 

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Posted by Dominic Espinosa (Member # 2122) on 12-30-2005, 06:48 AM:
 
Monte,
Ultimately an animal like that is a hazard to the safety of the public and anyone the owner brings into its house.
In that case I'd say that pooch got what it had coming to it. As a kid on a bike I kicked my fair share of canine ass (quite litterally) from behind my bike.
When it comes to stray cats or dogs I'd have to say call the pound.
I'd rather have the animal destroyed humanely if it's not being taken care of than by poisoning it and leaving it to die on the side of the road somewhere or worse get hit by a car.

Though I like most animals anyway, I'm a big pussy that way
 

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Posted by Randy Stankey (Member # 64) on 12-30-2005, 11:38 AM:
 
I'm sorry. I've just been in the mood for throwing rhetorical hand grenades for the last few days.

I wouldn't really kill a dog or cat like that.

But I'm not above poisoning varmints that are causing property damage and messing up the garbage cans. You just have to make sure that the poison targets the varmints and not peoples' pets.
(Like the way you put rat poison in a tamper proof box.)

** Back on target **

We have some old asphalt tile floor in the bathroom of our house that are dried out and cracked. It will be some time before we can save up enough to remodel the bathroom the way we want it.

Until then, a little FG on a sponge then wiped into the tile will rejuvenate it enough to be presentable until we can do the remodel.

You just have to make sure you let it soak in and clean up the excess or else it will get slippery.
 

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Posted by Matt Fields (Member # 3211) on 12-30-2005, 03:13 PM:
 

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Oddly... there are more chocolate candy factories here than anywhere else I've been to .

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