quote: Dustin Mitchell

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if the first incarnation of the 'platter array' had damaged any prints in its many months of operation.

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quote: Dick Twentyman

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I am beginning to think that Brad "I'm God's gift to cinema projection" Miller will do anything to keep himself noticed by others, when most of us must be starting to see him for what he is - an arrogant, puffed up little know-all.

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Wow, man, that's harsh. I don't personally know Brad, nor have ever spoke to him, but from what I gather, he has a reason for everything he does.

Sure, many of us do things just to say that we have done them, ala the whole complex interlock, but I don't think that's bragging at all, just something that those find interesting, I know I did.

As for the platter array, it's a great concept, without having to ever move prints! I like it!

While I cannot speak for everyone here, I do not nor have ever seen Brad as a know it all. These boards are supposed to be for those that are needing help or looking for new ideas. This is one. Brad should be commended for his planning on this install, not flamed.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 03-01-2007, 12:53 PM:
 
The only downside I can see to the "film motivator array" is the extra walking it would take to thread-up every show. But, with a situation where prints need to be shuffled around a lot, I can see where the tradeoff would be worth the extra footwork. I would think that the biggest challenge for the projectionist would be keeping up with the schedule!
 

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Posted by Ron Curran (Member # 3631) on 03-01-2007, 06:35 PM:
 
I thought that many of the installs pix were of works in progress. Of course there would be exposed wires etc.

Our projection box looks a tad messy at times coz of mods in the works.
 

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Posted by Bill Enos (Member # 440) on 03-01-2007, 06:55 PM:
 
An interesting installation to be sure. What it won't do is force anything. What I believe it does is present a larger opportunity for even the most competent person to make a screw up. Great idea though.

Is it possible to supply any projector from any platter?

Long term it won't make any difference, a row of digital projectors and servers will obsolete it all in less than ten years.

Our booth is a mess too, with lots of surface run conduit for audio, and power distribution, also remains of long gone "50s and "60s TV projection installed for champ boxing matches, cut off capped conduit. It is impossible to do much else with 22 inch thick firebrick walls from the '20s.

[ 03-01-2007, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: Bill Enos ]
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 03-01-2007, 08:37 PM:
 
I've personally known Brad for over 7 years and his talents, honesty, creativity, and professionalism are beyond reproach.

It always amazes me when the old farts here refuse to accept new ideas and slam those that come up with "out-of-the-box" solutions to stale old ideas.

I don't know what set off Dickie, but he certainly is filled with an abundance of bitterness, animosity, and hate. Perhaps he's just jealous of Brad's and other people's skills and accomplishments.

Kudos to Brad for leaving this thread up and not deleting it... I wouldn't have been as kind in my response to such an asinine post.
 

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Posted by Richard Hamilton (Member # 321) on 03-01-2007, 08:45 PM:
 
Good post Dick

NOT MY POST....RICK

[ 03-02-2007, 12:09 AM: Message edited by: Richard Hamilton ]
 

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Posted by Bevan Wright (Member # 1884) on 03-01-2007, 09:30 PM:
 
Don't be a Dick.
 

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Posted by Cameron Glendinning (Member # 3516) on 03-01-2007, 09:45 PM:
 
Over the last 10 or so years lots of Australians seem to have lost there sense of humor! We once lived in a society of people who worked hard to create a better place for our children, but alas no more, its all me me me !

Personally I agree with Dicky on one point, In traditional cinemas, platters should be located as close as possible to the projectors. Air contains dust, film is statically charged and attracts the dust.

What excites me most about the studio grill is that it is not a traditional multiplex experience, its a total experience, a real night out! an exercise in adding a fresh approach to what has now become a rather stale experience. This man is a true showman! The idea that he has gone for a no compromise approach, got an expert in (Brad) who created a unique flexible procedure that would suite his business best. A business that is more similar to a reasturant than a multiplex cinema.

quote: Dick Twentyman

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Brad "I'm God's gift to cinema projection" Miller

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Well this guy did invent filmguard, which to me is God's gift to cinema projection. The reason that Brad can have such long runs in his installs, and absolutely no dust or scratching !

I do not agree with Brad on every point in all his posts but totally defend his right to have his own point of view, just like dicky.

Why is it that people no longer seem to be able to agree to disagree?
 

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Posted by Richard May (Member # 2627) on 03-01-2007, 10:18 PM:
 
There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and being an outright dick. To badmouth americans and to personally insult Brad, who I dont always agree with but respect, is just being an ass
 

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Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 03-02-2007, 07:53 AM:
 
I am pretty sure I had seen in some old posts some rack cabling done by some people in here. I believe Gordon was one of them and if you call that not neat!!! then you have no idea what neat is. If someone remembers that post I believe it would be wise to link it in this forum. It is sad that you pinpoint a whole society just because you see some pictures. An Italian teacher last week cut of a little students' tongue because to stop him from talking. (I heard this on the radio news) Does that mean that Italians are cannibals!? I doubt it. I believe it is wrong to state that Americans are "crass idiots". Brad on the other hand is another matter. Whatever you believe of him is your own opinion and if you don't like what you see here, then stop coming here. Or are you simply brainwashed by the "American Stupidity" (as you imply in your post) my friend and you yourself most probably urge for keeping yourself "noticed by others" and because there is no better way to do it you simply accuse someone. Jealousy is a wicked thing and it should be avoided especially in Film-Tech where we want to improve the film world in our own way. If you think that people here supporting Brad are simply kissing his ass then you are a total retard. Why don't you post some inuative ideas that would help other installers have a look at something new? Lets see how good YOU are. Lets make You God's gift to cinema projection if that is your problem. And listen. I am not even from US. I am from a tiny small island called Cyprus. Oh My God! I've become American Addicted.
Demetris
 

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Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 03-02-2007, 08:11 AM:
 
Look how many posts he made since joining. Probably the type to not add any useful posts, but then uses this site to find information when *he* needs answers to his problems. We had a name for this type: OWF - if he's so smart, let him guess what that stands for.
 

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Posted by Richard May (Member # 2627) on 03-02-2007, 10:12 AM:
 
One Weird Fu.....nevermind
 

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Posted by Dave Ritchie (Member # 4030) on 03-02-2007, 03:18 PM:
 
I'm hoping to buy the cinema i work at in the near future and from what i have seen of your work Brad i like nothing more to have you in charge of a refit - I'm guessing paying for your mileage would be a killer with me on the bottom of the world
 

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Posted by Rick Raskin (Member # 1561) on 03-02-2007, 04:25 PM:
 

quote: Cameron Glendinning

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In traditional cinemas, platters should be located as close as possible to the projectors.

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Ordinarily I would agree, but one must also consider the number of print moves this cinema is likely to do. I think Brad's platter farm is an excellent solution for the latter case.

As to "installation standards", I would prefer to call them installation guidelines. Other than standards for screen illumination and sound equalization, I doubt there are many hard and fast "standards" pertaining to booth layout (local codes excepted). In the good ol' days, Richardson and Cameron suggested booth layouts in their writings but they were only suggestions and not rules.

Also, I always believe that if one is dissatisfied with the way things are done, it is better to offer solutions rather than complaints.

I couldn't resist commenting on this one...
 

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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-02-2007, 06:38 PM:
 

quote: Dave Ritchie

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I'm guessing paying for your mileage would be a killer with me on the bottom of the world

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quote: Mark Gulbrandsen

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in the summer of course.

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quote: Demetris Thoupis

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I believe Gordon was one of them

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I can't contain myself any longer. NICE RACK! I'll be fine now.

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Favorite response in the said link above. I would like to second that comment Gordon and Steve

Perhaps because I have worked in over 50 cinemas, I might be in a better position to judge than Dicky, Here in Australia we have our fair share of piss poor and also old historical(run down) installations aswell.
Its also fair to say that we have some first class techs too! with some fine installs under there belts aswell.

Demetris whats it like in Cyprus?
 

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Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 03-05-2007, 04:39 AM:
 
Considering that we are the only installation company in Cyprus which deals with Cinema equipment (there is not much need anyway), we are trying be as tidy and neat as possible. I will search my photos and posts a couple here so you can see what I mean. One thing I love doing on racks is prewire everything and also the Speaker Outputs from the Amps I terminate them on block connectors so the only thing you have to do on the installation is simply terminate your speakers on the block connectors leaving all the other cabling neat and tidy.
Best Regards

Demetris
 

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Posted by Cameron Glendinning (Member # 3516) on 03-06-2007, 03:10 AM:
 
Demetris, How many cinemas are on your small island? what sort of population numbers, Is moviegoing still a popular activity? Some nice old venues around?
 

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Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 03-06-2007, 10:57 AM:
 
Well. The list goes something like this:

Larnaca -

K - Cineplex = 6 Screens with Christie Pack Equipment constructed in 2001. CP 650D in all Screens and DTS in 4.

Larnaca also had wonderful single and dual screens which got victims to the Cineplex and thus closed down.
Attikon cinema had 2 Victoria 5 projectors (probably the best cinema in the island with the best architecture) provided a trully 360 degree surround sound in this amazing 500 seater and was from the old days and stayed allive until 2002. Sound included CP65 with 25 balcony and ground floor surrounds and DTS.
Othellos cinemas had Prevost P55 and Cinemecanica V8 projectors which went under a lot of renovation both for the interior of the cinema and the projectors, sound equipment (Othellos cinemas were the first between Greece and Cyprus to feature EX system when Phantom Menace was release, I never can forget the overnights we had to run to fit the systems 3 days prior the films' release to the three main towns Othellos cinemas)
Finally Cine City Larnaca was a newly build twin in 1998 which featured a Victoria 5 new projector and a Victoria 4, KCS speaker packages and Dolby CP500D in main screen and Smart Mod VI in small screen. Business was going excellent to all three single, dual cinemas until 2001 when Cineplex openened in Larnaca. Everyone was closed down.

Nicosia -

K - Cineplex = 6 Screens with Christie pack equipment constructed in 2002. CP650D in all screens.

Pantheon Art Cinema = 3 screener which converter to a single art theater. Tri-amp system Dolby CP500D and Victoria 5 projector. This system sound amazing.

Zena Palace = Single screen cinema with Victoria 8 Projector and Victoria 6 running as a change over. One of the largest screens in the island. Sound includes CP 65 and DTS ES system. It sound excellent. Recently renovated with a classic look to attrack the movie going lovers instead of the problematic teenagers.

Cine Studio = Single screen cinema in Intercollege Nicosia which mainly show European Cinema. Includes a single Victoria 5 projector (finished construction in 1998) and last summer went on a major renovation as we installed DTS XD10P processor with 12 JBL surrounds and screen and subwoofer speakers. We are getting excelent comments as to the quality of improvement on the sound of the theater. BACP reverse scan reader plays a major part in it he he he. Odly enough I went on Sunday to watch VOLVER. The cinema was packed and the best thing about it is that it only attracts cinema lovers. It sounded great in analog and I personally was amazed at the clarity of the sound and the way the surrounds and subwoofer where there exactly when they had to be and not overpowering or being too aggressive.

Nicosia also had Opera 1 and 2 cinemas which featured Victoria 8 and Victoria 10 projectors. These projectors have now been stored as the cinema closed down due to the Cineplex. That is also the reason why Pantheon downconverted from a 3 screener to a single. Othellos cinemas 1 and 2 closed down due to Cineplex. These included Prevost P55 projectors with CP65 processors.
(Othellos cinemas were the first between Greece and Cyprus to feature EX system when Phantom Menace was released)

Limassol -

K - Cineplex = 5 Screens the first complex in Cyprus build in 1998 with the Christie pack. CP 45 with DTS in all 5 screens.

Othellos 1 & 2= Prevost P55 projectors. CP500D in Screen 1 and Smart MOD VI in Screen 2. (Othellos cinemas were the first between Greece and Cyprus to feature EX system when Phantom Menace was release)

Rio Cinemas = 4 Screens with state of the art equipment. Finished construction in in 2001 featuring 2 main screens, 1 Gold Class screen and 1 open air screen. the 2 main screens and the Gold class incorporate Kinoton FP30E projectors which proved excellent. Harkness Hall screens and screen constructions all with movable masking. Dolby CP650D in them and bi-amped systems with Smart TCX crossovers. This theater has now the best presentation in sound and image throughout the country. The open air cinema is something to be jealous about. Dolby CP500 with Victoria X projector in Dolby Surround configuration. (Rio is owned by the same person who owns Othellos cinemas. Spared no expenses when we suggested a state of the art solution for his new cinemas. He did not want though EX system as not many films where released in that format).

Limassol also had Pallas and Hollywood cinemas which closed down when Cineplex openened in 1998. Rio brought a dramatic impact when it opened in 2001 in the centre of Limassol.

Paphos -

Orasis 1 & 2 = Victoria 5 projector in screen 1 and Victoria 6 in screen 2. CP 65 in screen 1 and Home theater A/V amp in Screen 2 combined with JBL concert series provided a quite pleasing enviroment in the small 90 seater in screen 2.

Othellos = Victoria 5 projector with CP45.

Have in mind that also several village cinemas are struggling to survive although all went over major expenses especially in sound and seating upgrades. In 2006 we finished constructing a multivenue cinema in a small village which included Victoria 5 projector (used from Cine City in Larnaca) and all the Dolby Digital and KCS equipment from Cine City in Larnaca. A village cinema a lot of peope are envy about it .

This is about it for the Cyprus cinema industry in the Southern Cyprus. As far as the Nothern is I can not provide any information. A new 5 screener is soon to open in the biggest shopping mall ever constructed in Cyprus. We hope to offer our services to it.

Best Regards

Demetris
 

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Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 03-06-2007, 12:54 PM:
 
(Isn't it interesting that Dick started this topic, then suddenly disappeared without any further replies? ...is he just a fly on the wall watching all of this from then on?)
 

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Posted by Cameron Glendinning (Member # 3516) on 03-08-2007, 06:24 PM:
 
Thanks Demetris, I found your post very interesting
 

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Posted by John Koutsoumis (Member # 1855) on 03-08-2007, 06:37 PM:
 

quote: John Wilson

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To say Americans are the only ones with bad installs is equally ludicrous. Have you even SEEN any recent installs in Australia?

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I have. Very bad ones. Shameful, hazardous, unsafe ones but since the employees probably read this site I won't mention them.
Yeah, yeah, I know...but what can you do.
 

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