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Posted by Bastiaan Fleerkate (Member # 3826) on 03-25-2007, 08:27 PM:

If you have some pictures of Philips projectors please post them (if this is a problem you can send them to me. Just contact me via e-mail). I've worked with Philips FP-5 projectors (if I remember it correctly) and all I have is just a picture from video. I hope someone has worked with these vintage projectors. 5 years ago there were some working ones in Woerden (The Netherlands) and the build date was just after 1950 (that is what I call durable [thumbsup]

, digital cinema...eat dirt!)

I need to know how the filmpath was. I now use Vic5 projectors so I just don't remember it correctly how this projector was threaded.

OW, mentioning booth sizes in the other thread. This projector and it's twin were in a booth not larger than 2 by 4 meters.

Posted by Christos Mitsakis (Member # 143) on 03-26-2007, 09:48 AM:

Try this pages:
http://perso.orange.fr/projecteur.cinema/philips1.htm

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-26-2007, 03:03 PM:

I think durable is understated for these projectors. They are certainly one of the very best projectors ever made. Phillips FP-5 series and Bauers are tops in my book. Too bad there were not more of these brought into the States. Thanks to Thomas Hauerslev and Sam Chavez I now own several Phillips FP-56. I will send you some pics of the intermittent and the gear side tommrrow.

Mark

Posted by Christos Mitsakis (Member # 143) on 03-26-2007, 03:37 PM:

Here you can download an incomplete manual of the FP56:

http://www.kinobauer.de/philips.html

C.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-26-2007, 09:41 PM:

Here are a few shots of the internals.

DP-70 and FP-56 intermittents compared.....

Film Side...

Motor Side. These are the direct drive version...

Posted by Emiel De Jong (Member # 4225) on 03-26-2007, 11:02 PM:

The projector pictured in the original post is a Philips IV:

And here is a nice early FP5:

Posted by Bastiaan Fleerkate (Member # 3826) on 03-27-2007, 05:03 AM:

It's nice to know it is a Philips FP-4 that I worked with. I didn't know this and I was informed wrong. I'm glad I posted the pictures...
I can post some more pictures in the picture warehouse of this cinema, but the pictures I send of the new theatre (AnnexCinema) are still not on the web site. [Frown]

Here is a link to the old cinema they stood in Cinematour City, Woerden it formerly was a stable for the horses that dragged the barges with cargo to and from Woerden. [Roll Eyes]

...*sigh*...the old days.... *sigh*
But I am deviating from the topic. Can anybody tell me how old these projectors are or in what period they were made. I think it is around 1950 but that can also be wrong...

By the way... Emiel, do you know where these projectors are still used in the Netherlands?

Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 03-27-2007, 09:16 AM:

I always dug that logo... [Wink]

Posted by Emiel De Jong (Member # 4225) on 03-28-2007, 05:53 AM:

I guess the Philips IV was made from 1938 till 1945; the FP5 "family" (FP5, FP6, FP7, FP56) from 1939 till far in the sixties. It is not easy to get exact info on this; as far as I know there is no such thing as a list of serialnumbers + dates for these machines. If anybody knows...
Some cinemas I know that still use FP5's: Biobest in Best, Filmhuis Schijndel; and I saw one last year, on a modified base, in use by the Stichting Openluchtbioscoop (open air cinema). There must be more; and of course many are in private use; a nice example you can see in the pictures-section of this site [Big Grin]

Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 03-28-2007, 09:24 AM:

FP5 series is alive and well in some markets out of the USA. I have seen them with lens turret, new film trap reverse scan and laser sound kits as modifications.

Posted by Sam D. Chavez (Member # 1841) on 03-28-2007, 10:56 AM:

There are many FP5 series in Brazil and surrounding areas, which is where I first saw them in person. They were running with platters and very quiet.

I make a red reader that fits both the DP70 and the FP5 series with exactly the same parts and this is compelling evidence of the exacting machine work over the years. Try that with Italian or even American projectors.

[ 03-29-2007, 12:20 AM: Message edited by: Sam D. Chavez ]

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 03-28-2007, 11:36 AM:

On the American projector side...with Simplex you will probably do okay 99% of the time...there is that odd ball one that doesn't seem to align up like everything else.

Christie...I have to give them that...their stuff generally is spot on every time. I've changed out entire projectors and didn't have to align any thing when going from an original P-35 to a curved trap version....just moved the lens turret over with lenses in place an all was just as before...just with a curved trap.

Century...yeah right....no two of them are the same though that may have improved a great deal since Strong took them over. CE readers are almost essential for some Centurys since the machining for the solar cell may or may not place the LED in the correct place...some you have to shim but some are too far outboard...with the CE LED assembly one can slide the LED laterally to get it right.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-28-2007, 12:14 PM:

quote: Steve Guttag
On the American projector side...with Simplex you will probably do okay 99% of the time...there is that odd ball one that doesn't seem to align up like everything else.

I donno, I seem to have to overhaul ALOT of Simplex's... 2 last week alone for bearings. These two had only been running about 9 years. For some reason Strong likes to leave the shields in place so they don't get much oil through them over their life. Yes there are alot of Simplex's out here but there are also alot of weak spots in them. Shutter rear bearing gets zero oil, lower vert. shaft bearing too small for the job, leaky main castings, tiny intermittent gearing, poor quality die castings that stretch over the years, and a sprawling amount of versions of film gates/traps some of which Strong built but they know nothing about today and parts don't exist.

I agree with you 100% on the Christie... their tolerances are always spot on and parts interchangability takes on a new meaning... if only they had adaquate staffing there. The P-35 is still my projector of choice for plex's!! The other zero problem machine for us in plex's is the DP-70.

Mark

Posted by Bernard Tonks (Member # 809) on 03-28-2007, 01:01 PM:

I used to like the Philips FP 7 enclosed projector, the quietest running machine I’ve ever heard. When these were installed in the very large projection room of the Granada, Kingston-upon-Thames in South London, all you heard was the Peerless Magnarc feed motor, and hardly the FP 7 projector running.

(Picture by Harry Rigby CTA of the Granada, Rugby projection room 1957)

I’ve got to like the open Century with turret projectors since doing relief work. They are reliable and quiet running, and give a nice good steady picture.

Link to more Philips projectors and many other makes (translated)

Posted by Bastiaan Fleerkate (Member # 3826) on 03-28-2007, 08:47 PM:

The Vic5 projectors I work with now are also robust. If there is a problem it's probably the projectionist working with these projectors. The shutter blades are to small, but that is the only thing I can think of.
The FP-4's I worked with were not as quiet as the Vic5's I work with now. The first time I heard an Vic5 it was like a butterfly flying trough the air. Now that I am used to the sound the projectors aren't that quiet. It's now like a seagull flying [Big Grin]

The FP-4's were equipped with xenon lamp houses and I remember projector 1 didn't ever strike at once. When changing projectors during a movie this was somewhat annoying...

Posted by Bastiaan Fleerkate (Member # 3826) on 05-11-2007, 12:11 PM:

I found a picture of the actual projector I worked with on the internet...

Here it is...

Thanks to Dutch Film-tech page !