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Posted by Matthew Bailey (Member # 601) on 07-27-2007, 09:02 PM:

I just came across this recently on You Tube. It's on breaking down from a platter without a working MUT using the rewind bench,but they should either put more antistatic cloths on the floor or use rollers mounted on stands. You Tube

Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 07-27-2007, 10:01 PM:

I'm sure that a bunch of us have have busted down film outside of using a MUT in one form or another.

Been there and done that a bunch of times...

Posted by Jack Ondracek (Member # 1466) on 07-27-2007, 10:02 PM:

Nnear-total lack of tension on the reel. [thumbsdown]

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-27-2007, 10:46 PM:

Oh geez, I wouldn't want to get that guy's print. The tension he has going there is a recipe for cinch scratching.

Posted by Chad M Calpito (Member # 3736) on 07-27-2007, 10:53 PM:

I, too, wouldn't want to get that print as well. Sheez, talk about no tension on the reel. Man, talk about stupid. I say, fix the damn MUT.

Posted by Kyle Anderson (Member # 3504) on 07-28-2007, 02:32 AM:

Should have been pulling from the tail out with the platter brakes on lightly...

Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 07-28-2007, 07:49 AM:

A much better (though more time consuming) method would have been to run the film through the projector and take it up onto 6000' reels, stopping for splices and re-attaching leaders at the appropriate points.

Unfortunately, most platter houses don't have takeup belts installed and many don't even have proper reel arms.

Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 07-28-2007, 09:21 AM:

Another proof that the expression; "Having half a brain is dangerous..." is true. Sad thing is, this guy probably thought he was doing a good job. He will show his fellow workers, who will show others. At the end, it makes digital the best thing that ever happened to theaters.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 07-28-2007, 10:10 AM:

quote: John Walsh
At the end, it makes digital the best thing that ever happened to theaters.

How true... he and a thousand other reasons will make that happen.

Mark

Posted by Michael Moore (Member # 3867) on 07-28-2007, 12:57 PM:

quote: Scott Norwood
"A much better (though more time consuming) method would have been to run the film through the projector and take it up onto 6000' reels, stopping for splices and re-attaching leaders at the appropriate points."

I set movies up like this. I put the reel on projector, then run the reel on to the platter, then after the reel ends I thread up for reel two and so on, this way I can preview, inspect, and setup at the same time. also I have broken down this way as well just as you described. I did all of this before I built the FrankenMUT

Mike

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-28-2007, 04:09 PM:

Michael, that is also very poor practice due to the forced film handling in a bad environment (aka: not at the rewind table). I hope your frankenmut has put a stop to that.

Posted by Gerard S. Cohen (Member # 994) on 07-30-2007, 09:32 PM:

I couldn't watch more than a few seconds of the video in question because of its sickenly unsteady camerawork. But check out the "Related Videos" in the youtube box to the right of it. The "Projection Promo" for one, is a well-made nostalgic bio of a family, or father-and-son, era of showmanship and a projectionist who started there confronting the digital challenge.

Posted by Damien Taylor (Member # 4255) on 07-30-2007, 09:38 PM:

My short attention span led me to this too Gerard. It looks very well edited, I'd like to see the finished version, whatever, or whenever that may be. I've seen a few documentary's that just sort of fell off the face of the earth and their domains lapsed. I hope at least one comes to fruition.

Posted by Michael Moore (Member # 3867) on 08-04-2007, 12:45 PM:

Bran

The FrankenMUT does reduce tension on the film, however why is it that I hear so many people say that platters and MUTs are bad for film, (too much tension) and how change overs is soo much better and the film is not handled as much. When I was doing change overs I was handing the films <100% more then I do now. And my Goldy rewinder put plenty of tension on the film.

FrankenMUT is designed to have no tension applied to the film during setup and the reel is free spinning. I have built an electronic breaking system so I can slow down the system with no damage to the film.

Mike

Mike

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 08-04-2007, 02:53 PM:

Free spinning on loading the platter is bad. You need a bit of tension there because as you stop the platter to splice on another reel, as the platter is started again you will have film slippage on itself, meaning cinch scratches.

The biggest thing to remember is that just because you don't see the damage on screen doesn't mean it isn't happening! Most people don't have enough light on their screen or good enough optics to show light film damage, but damage is damage.

Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 08-04-2007, 03:29 PM:

quote: John Walsh
Sad thing is, this guy probably thought he was doing a good job.

That's precisely the impression I got from the video. He seemed to think it was quite clever.