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Posted by Peter David Bruce (Member # 4447) on 01-21-2008, 11:29 AM:
 
Odd title, perhaps...

When I first saw my first projection booth on my interview for the job, I was overcome somewhat by the lovely smell of the place. I couldnt put my finger on it. A bit of musty, dusty, 'from your grandpas attic' smell perhaps?

Whatever it was, since working in the booth for about 5 months now, I cant smell anything. And thats such a shame. It was half the experience of working there, and one of the main reasons I fell in love with the booth. I still smell it a few times a week when i get in, but soon its gone.

Does anyone else know what I mean? It had that kind of stately home/mansion feel to it? Perhaps its the darkness, all the equipment and maybe even the film itself?

I cant put my finger on it - anyone help?

It used to be a little bit of nostalgia whenever i got into work. [Smile] lovely feeling.\

Peter
 
Posted by Larry Myers (Member # 738) on 01-21-2008, 11:42 AM:
 
I think Simplex Oil has that musty dusty smell.
 
Posted by Benjamin John Doman (Member # 4365) on 01-21-2008, 11:51 AM:
 
Hi,
Ahh, that lovely warm old oily smell! My wife always knows when I have done some 'open heart surgery' on a projector as I bring the smell home with me. Takes me right back my first cinema. Westars, Westrx valve amp and the pasties warming on the convector heater in the corner!

Ben
 
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 01-21-2008, 12:05 PM:
 
I always loved the smell of a carbon arc booth at a drive-in, with the slight mixture of popcorn and hamburgers in the air.

Every once in a great while, I'll smell something similar and I'm instantly transported back in time.

Then I realize I just need a bath.
 
Posted by James Westbrook (Member # 3690) on 01-21-2008, 01:21 PM:
 
It's the normalicy factor. You get used to a smell, you simply don't notice the smell anymore.
I don't notice the smell of popcorn popping anymore unless I am in front of the popper actually running the popper (and on our old Cretors machine, the smoky smell hit me once and I had a flashback where I recalled in a small community we lived in for 6 months, we could burn our garbage in barrels in the alley which was designed for this. This was back in 66 and 67.)
The lobby of Movies 4 (Mann Slide Road0 smelled like a kitchen/dishroom of a restaurant, but this was likely due to a restaurant being located next door to it.
 
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 01-21-2008, 02:15 PM:
 
Mine was smelling the carbon arc soot from Ashcrafts and the grease smell of Motiographs - along with the hamburgers, pizzas and freshly popped popcorn in our snakbar at a drive-in that I began at back in 1969.
 
Posted by Robert Throop (Member # 61) on 01-21-2008, 04:26 PM:
 
I love the smell of mag tracks on a 70mm print.
 
Posted by Bill Gabel (Member # 1105) on 01-21-2008, 06:24 PM:
 
Go to the Vine Theatre in Hollywood, CA the whole theatre smells of booth.
 
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 01-21-2008, 06:51 PM:
 
For me, it's the mix of stale popcorn and projector oil that makes up "that smell."

Has anyone noticed that different chains have slightly different smells, presumably due to the use of different popcorn oils? I know that the "General Cinema" smell is different from the "Landmark" smell, for example.

Naturally, I cannot stand to be exposed to "vinegar" smell.
 
Posted by Chad M Calpito (Member # 3736) on 01-21-2008, 08:14 PM:
 
Ahhh, a walk on memory lane. Everytime I walk into my booth, I feel at home and am transported back in time to my Ultra Star Cinemas La Costa 6 days, especially when I do a shift at the Gaslamp Stadium 15. Still transports me back to the good ol' days when I first learned booth operations. [beer]
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 01-21-2008, 09:31 PM:
 
We had a ticket-taker girl who used to hang out in the booth with me sometimes. A couple of years ago she visited Forsyth after being gone for 15 years -- she walked into the booth and took a deep breath and said, "Ahhhhh, it still smells just the same." (And she was smiling when she said it, so I assume it was a good memory.)
 
Posted by Peter David Bruce (Member # 4447) on 01-22-2008, 02:58 AM:
 
Thanks for the replies. I was hoping everyone else would have the same memories of the early days. I suppose for me it takes me back to the smells of my grandpas printing press he had in his garage. all that metal and oil and stuff. And all the rags covered in parafin and machine oil.

Its nice, for me its almost like im stepping back in time to my childhood a little every day. I just wish I could smell it all the time.

Mostly if its been raining and the booth gets a little damp in the air it gets all musty. Thats when i smell it nowadays.
 
Posted by Bernard Tonks (Member # 809) on 01-22-2008, 03:46 AM:
 
Going back to the old days in 1952 when I first worked in a projection room, I remember the musty smell of nitrate film on Saturday morning children’s shows, and Sunday for 1 day revivals. The weekday release pictures were by then all on safety film stock.

The projection room wooden block floor polished daily.

Projector oil.

Very strong vinegar or lavender odour on treated reissue prints. [evil]

Film cement. [Smile]
 
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 01-22-2008, 10:36 AM:
 
FILM CEMENT! Bernard, I had forgotten all about that! I LOVED it...probably about as close to sniffing glue as I will ever get, but I did love to take deep deep breaths whenever I was splicing. Splicing tape....bahhumbug.

Smells really do transport you back in time. And yes, we do get used to smells fairly quickly -- it's nature's deodorant! Actually, we tend to do that with all of our senses.....the brain figures out what is the steady-state and does it's best take that out of the mix. Keeping us aware of change is better for our survival; we can better aware of something changing, moving, if everything else become background. Just yesterday one of the lenses fell out of my eyeglasses while I was driving. At first I paniced, but then I remembered about cinematographers who don't have to keep both eyes closed when looking thru the viewfinder because the brain will effectively shut off the eye that he's not concentrating on. It worked; after a minute or so, yes, I was seeing both eye images (one badly out of focus), but my brain just ignored the out-of-focus image....just like some booth zombies do when they start a movie.

As for steady-state smells....that's why you can put a dozen air freshener hanging thingies in your car, but it's only when you first enter that you notice the fragrance. That's why they have to put a fan in those little plug in things. Unfortunately for the consumer who thinks plugins is an alternative to cleaning, that's just a gimmic -- you will STILL get used to it. They could spray perfume into the room using fire hoses and you'd get used to it. It's in our DNA.

I've asked this before, but...does anyone know of the aresole spray that had the scent of popcorn? In my early days, the owner of my theatre in Bryan-College Station used to spray this stuff in the back of the theatre about 20 minutes before the intermission (we ran double bills). People would come out in droves to buy popcorn; he would just stand there with a smile on his face. I don't recall the name at all other than it had Popcorn as part of it....Maybe Instant Popcorn? I've never seen it since.
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 01-22-2008, 10:46 AM:
 
I think alot of the smell is all the oil thats dripped down and saturated the cement floors... That oil goes ransid and has a unique pungent oder. Mixed with popcorn and burgers smell its pretty unique.

Film cement gone well before I was in this biz... I used to use it to splice my 8mm home movies back when I used to frequent the likes of Superior Bulk Film Company for film, processing chemicals and 8mm processing tanks....

Mark
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 01-22-2008, 10:50 AM:
 
Ah yes, film cement. I was only in the booth about a year before we started using the tape splicer, so I've kinda forgotten what it smelled like but I remember liking it.
 
Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 01-22-2008, 11:46 AM:
 
I kinda liked the smell of mag striping, although it was probably because of the great sound and image to follow, rather than the smell itself....!
 
Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 01-22-2008, 12:49 PM:
 
quote: Mike Blakesley
We had a ticket-taker girl who used to hang out in the booth with me sometimes. A couple of years ago she visited Forsyth after being gone for 15 years -- she walked into the booth and took a deep breath and said, "Ahhhhh, it still smells just the same." (And she was smiling when she said it, so I assume it was a good memory.)
Ahhhh, the smell of the ticket taker girl;> Sorry, couldn't help myself
 
Posted by Bernard Tonks (Member # 809) on 01-22-2008, 02:12 PM:
 
As for film cement, I still get a high when my wife uses nail varnish remover!! [Smile] Some others...

Carbon Tetrachloride, used for cleaning the projectors and occasionally film. Since banned. [Eek!]

Methylated Spirits, the original lovely addictive odour type. Since banned, now made almost odourless and undrinkable!!!

Dipping the red hot carbon holders (for burning up short ends) in the old water fire buckets.

My worst smell in a projection room was the ozone from the old 3 electrode xenon lamps. Since banned. [evil]
 
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 01-22-2008, 11:50 PM:
 
maybe not the smell, but seeing Carbon Tec fire extinguisher bottles hanging all over fire prone areas in the booth..

..but did forget how the presence of mag film in the booth gave off it's own odor and I bet those operators running 70mm mag prints entering their booths would notice that odor...and I just barely missed that era.
 
Posted by Scott McGuire (Member # 4508) on 01-23-2008, 01:57 AM:
 
We have a tapas bar in the same building as the theatre so when they are open our booth smells like bacon wrapped scallops. I think this must be one of their more ordered items. I wish they would trade popcorn for scallops as this smell makes me hungry all night long.
 
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 01-23-2008, 09:30 AM:
 
We were allowed to eat all the popcorn and drink all the soda we wanted, we just had to pay for the first containers, then we could refill them as long as they would hold up -- the popcorn containers could go almost forever unless you sat on one or something. The soda cups lasted about a month. No place else I've worked at had such a magnimous policy. I used to love to chew the ice cubes. Later in life, I found out that all that constant ice chewing causes fillings to crack or become loose in the tooth cavity. Practically all mine have had to be drilled out and refilled. But drinking soda and chewing ice all day, eating as much popcorn (fresh popped) as you could stomach, smelling splicing cement and running movies....what more could a kid just hitch-hiking around the country and landing in a town too small to have its own name ask for (Bryan-College Station)?
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 01-23-2008, 10:10 AM:
 
quote:
Ahhhh, the smell of the ticket taker girl;>
She DID smell good. [Wink]
 
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 01-23-2008, 02:18 PM:
 
also, maybe not in the booth, but seeing a good ol' Manley popper roaring away in the concession stand really brings out the 'smell of the theatre'

Sorry Cretors and others, they just don't cut it for memory's sake.

-Monte
 
Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 04-20-2010, 08:10 PM:
 

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Posted by Jeremy Jorgenson (Member # 2989) on 04-20-2010, 08:10 PM:
 
*bump*

There have been two booths in my career that I have come back to work at after a significant time away, one had a smell that took me right back, the other has no smell memory so far as I can tell (but maybe I should say "yet" as I currently work there, perhaps the nostalgia side of the brain hasn't kicked in).

I would like to re-visit some of my old booths at some point, though I know one has been converted to all digital, so I wonder what the effect on the smell would be?
 
Posted by Martin Daian (Member # 1779) on 04-20-2010, 11:59 PM:
 
Speaking about Cinema Smells i remember when i was a little boy and my grandfathers takeme to the theaters, first need to made a file on the street to enter on the theater, normally this files size arround 500 feet long with 1000's of people awaiting to enter on the theater lobby, i remember that when little by little i near the theater street doors a wonderfull smell go out to the street and when enter on the theater the smell are concentrated, no popcorn machines here so the smell was magical, years later i speak with a professional architect and make this questions that what is the unique theater smell and he say that the smell is produced for a mix of various components installed on the theater, one of the components was the projector carbons fired, the smell is impregned on all the theater, the other factor are the old desmontable acustical ceiling roof that was a 1 feet square acustical panels plaques with holes for the sound, the other factor was the wood on the internal doors and the perlux screen, old perlux screens have a incredible cinema smell, well the people that loves the theaters like all us will feel that sensation of the smell and creates a magic sensation, is a mix of senses, the smell the big spaces and the oldest retro style.

Today the theaters not smells like in the old days, today smell to a popcorn and smell to a carpeting, i don't like the smell of the new theaters, i like the old style street theaters smell, that smell and special construction buildings have the magic, today survive very little of this theaters thans to the fans that have some money to maintain this big palaces.

The smells of the projectors are also a incredible thing, for example the RCA 400 smells all the same smell,
the Siemens also all the same smell, the Philips FP 3 also the same smell, i discovery that mayor part of the smell comes from the paint, in the old projectors more smell for the old coarrugated paint, black and obscure grey coarrugated paint like in the Philips FP3 or like in the Ernemann X, the same paint the same smell, i made the smell projector test and all coincident.

The carbon smell are a important part of the smell on the theater, the problem that carbons looks impractical today, expensive and toxic, also the autonomy permits up to 50 minutes of continuous prjection so a platter system will not work, only changeovers.....
 
Posted by Alan Plester (Member # 852) on 04-21-2010, 01:12 PM:
 
Although I have been out of the game for sadly some time, I can still smell in my head, that certain something, as soon as I opened the booth door, ozone, popcorn,oil, I dont think it ever leaves you, after all, there is no job like it in the world,is there.
 
Posted by Jonathan Smith (Member # 5609) on 04-21-2010, 03:01 PM:
 
Only glossed over this, so apologies if this one's already been spoken for, but it's not any of that crap, it's the DUST getting incinerated by the lamphouse that is a big part of the smell.

Even with digital, shouldn't go away, though WE will certainly be eliminated at most theatres.

The older the equipment, and the longer it's been storage, and the brighter the lightbulb, the more that smell permeates the room.

Of course, these pesky exhaust ports and BS safety equipment detract from the experience greatly [Wink]
 
Posted by Manny Montes (Member # 5639) on 04-21-2010, 09:55 PM:
 
The smell of simple green and other cleaning supplies
 
Posted by Tom Wyse (Member # 5621) on 04-22-2010, 03:03 AM:
 
I always enjoyed the smell of a new print. Of course nitrate has a distinctive aroma all it's own, and I remember tyhat, too!
 
Posted by Ian Parfrey (Member # 5122) on 04-22-2010, 04:01 AM:
 
That unforgettable aroma of vinyl floor-polish, carbon dust, warm 1620 valves, the ozone jolt from the xenon igniter, wax from the print, Fuji print stock and hot, fresh drive-in coffee.

Damn. Gotta love this business!
 
Posted by Don Furr (Member # 1469) on 04-22-2010, 09:41 AM:
 
Last night I fired up an old RCA Porto-Arc lamphouse!!! What a smell. I haven't smelled that odor since the 70's. Brought back fond memories. [beer]

Don
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 04-22-2010, 10:20 AM:
 
The smell of carbons in the morning it smells like .... victory [Smile]
 
Posted by Fred Georges (Member # 505) on 04-22-2010, 01:45 PM:
 
Smells like VICTORY CARBONS! Only a REEEEEEL old timers gonna get that one! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Richard B. Perrine (Member # 409) on 04-23-2010, 09:33 AM:
 
The smell of that Dupot print....
Eastmen film cleaner...
the new print that just came from the lab.
and I've got the smell of Vita Film in my office right now.

Roar of the grease paint, the smell of the crowd
 
Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 04-23-2010, 11:55 AM:
 
My booth smells like a 30 year old musty building with a bit of FilmGuard thrown around. We run a Christie booth with a few Sony's tossed in to really spice things up. The only grease we play with is on the platter bearings.
 
Posted by Tony Gallimore (Member # 5358) on 04-23-2010, 09:08 PM:
 
I remember a difference in the smell produced by different brands of machinery. Most of the drive-ins in this area were equipped with Century equipment. The lubrication requirements were very different from the Brenkerts at the indoor. Of course, the Brenkerts were lubricated by oil bath. That in itself injected the smell of oil into the booth, plus they were notoriously bad to leak. We set a catch pan on the floor below to catch the leaking oil, which was quite a bit. That booth really smelled of used oil until the Brenkerts were retired and replaced by Simplex's. The Century's used very little lubrication, it was measured in a drop here or there on each fiber gear once a week. Back in the day of carbon lighting, we always had the smell of the rectifiers heating up. We also used mercury vapor rectifiers at one theatre. These were heated all the time you were operating to keep the mercury vaporized, and had a very distinct smell. The drive-in booths, being located beside or above the concession stand really pulled some great food smells through the ventilation system. I really loved it when they threw a few onions on the grill... aahhhhh!! Great memories!
 




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