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Posted by Justin Hamaker (Member # 2165) on 06-30-2008, 07:10 PM:

I just built up my print of Hancock and on reels 1 and 3 the heads were labeled "Hancock H1(or H3) DN14". I don't ever recall seeing something like this and I was just wondering if someone knows what it means. For what it's worth, the same thing was printed on the tails of both reels.

Posted by John Hawkinson (Member # 1135) on 06-30-2008, 07:16 PM:

Duplicate Negative Fourteen.

Release prints are printed from duplicate negatives (aka "internegatives"). Those dupe negs are generally printed from interpositives, though for modern digital intermediate releases, it is possible they may be directly recorded from laser film recorders.

In a digital intermediate workflow, interpositives are produced from a laser film recorder (like an ARRIlaser). For traditional workflow, they are produced from the original camera negative (after it has been cut and confirmed).

--jhawk

Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 07-01-2008, 09:41 PM:

But to Justin's point, that information is not usually printed on the leaders, at least not that prominately. Would the fact that it is a DN14 have the kind of significance that an EK Show print has in terms of it being different from a standard print? Even EK prints were never so obviously marked.

It also looks like this print has mixed reels, some without the DN14. What's that about?

Posted by John Hawkinson (Member # 1135) on 07-01-2008, 09:48 PM:

Actually, Frank, it's quite frequently there. Yes, usually not so prominently. Often inside a little oval.

It's funny, EK prints don't really have the option to be so-marked like that, because they are not produced in volume (usually), and therefore nobody's going to do up a fancy special set of leader titling just for them.

I think most of this stuff is the whim of the lab tech who was handling that reel. Though of course Technicolor Lab and Deluxe Lab do it differently. But the one guy who made up the titles for R1 and R3 decided to label it mega-huge, and the other guys decided not to.

This is kind like asking why some leaders have fancy fonts and some leaders have LAD girls in the CF, etc. Why some say "quad" in the soundtrack and others say "SR/SRD/SDDS/DTS" but still others say "SR/SRD/DTS/SDDS"!

--jhawk

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-01-2008, 10:31 PM:

Just be happy your print was all heads up. That's a sign of a higher quality print (meaning it came from the better of the Deluxe labs), as well as great convenience for you.

Posted by Justin Hamaker (Member # 2165) on 07-02-2008, 05:24 AM:

There is nothing that irks me more when building up a print than having mixed heads and tails. Especially when it's something like H1,T2,H3,H4,T5,H6. You get a print like that and there is no way around rewinding reels before you start.

At least when I built up Kit Kittredge today it was H1,T2,T3,H4,H5,H6. I built Kit onto 6K reels because it was going onto an AW3 with fixed brains, so having the consecutive reels tail out actually saved a bit of time.

Posted by Blaine Young (Member # 3992) on 07-02-2008, 11:38 AM:

Dupe Negative is what we typically interpet this to mean. However, the labels on the cans indicate "Digital Negative", so I'm wondering if DN in this case means something different.

Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 07-02-2008, 11:38 AM:

quote: Justin Hamaker
I built Kit onto 6K reels because it was going onto an AW3 with fixed brains

???????

I build everything on to 6K reels and I run a 16 screen with one Kelmar make up bench. It can be annoying when the reels are mixed up directions. But digital will take care of all of this. [Razz]

Posted by Jim Cassedy (Member # 4115) on 07-02-2008, 12:08 PM:

quote: Brad Miller
Just be happy your print was all heads up.

My Hancock print arrived with reels mixed heads & tails out.
(In box- no lock)
The mixed reel orientation was a particular pain in this instance since my rewind bench is being moved from one booth to the other and it was disassembeled when the print arrived.
(Murphy's Law!)
I improvised a rewind using two MUT's.

Posted by Michael Brown (Member # 890) on 07-02-2008, 02:02 PM:

I built two prints last night. Both had 3 reels foot out and 2 reels head out. This movie must have a hex on it.

Posted by Justin Hamaker (Member # 2165) on 07-02-2008, 07:08 PM:

Darryl - I have one of those Goldberg reels now so I don't normally have to build up on the 6K reels anymore. Although it might work for a platter with a fixed brain, I'm not willing to try it yet.