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Mark G, were you the tech for Regency in Utah? Don't lie!

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Yes Joe I was, however we were on a fix it only if it's broken type of arrangement with Regency! That meaning the equipment never saw regular maintainance doring its entore life. All of those BACP LED's have been replaced once over the years by me but it's probably been a while. The gain adjust should work out fine for them for quite a while. When that location closed we only disconnected the booth equipment... we did not disnmantle it as per their request. Our stage riggers did however lower the screen speakers and surrounds down. Also, you will find one of the CNA-100's is not working correctly to dim the lights . It never did from about the second year it was installed. Regency never wanted us to spend the time to fix it. Good luck with the gear... Except for the Millenniums and a couple of Strong ignitor failures it was never much trouble. Make sure whoever dismantled the stuff didn't loose any of the springs that go behind the flywheels. Use your 100mhz dual trace tektronix scope to set the gains correctly... too much level will overload the processor... too little and you have the situation you're in now.

Oh, and Utah being a very dust oriented state... you may want to blow out the 650's and QSC power amps.

Mark
 

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Posted by Sam D. Chavez (Member # 1841) on 07-05-2008, 06:19 PM:
 
There is a trim pot behind the CCD cover, where the Red/Green status lght is attached. Look for an access hole for a small screwdriver.

As to the drum not springing back there should be a spring in back of the flywheel.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-06-2008, 12:56 AM:
 
OK I found the hole for the LED adjustment trim and they are all a steady green now, thanks. I still have one that reads 5-F-5-F-6-F-8-F-F-F-4-F-F-5-F-F, etc no matter what. Possibly a bent shaft creating too much vibration?

There are springs on all of the shafts, I can feel them even on the two units where the flywheel cannot be removed (because it is on backwards and the allen head screw can't be reached). So the one that doesn't "pop back" or move at all can't really be adjusted, but I can feel a spring back there.

So Mark, who installed the flywheels originally? Why are two of them backwards? Do I need some super-secret special tool to reach the allen screw if this is the case?

quote: Mark G

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you will find one of the CNA-100's is not working correctly to dim the lights

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quote: Mark G

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Make sure whoever dismantled the stuff didn't loose any of the springs that go behind the flywheels.

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According to Gary Stanley they came 100% pre-assembled, including the flywheels. That's why I am wondering if perhaps the shaft got a bit bent since the flywheels were left on during shipping. I really hate the gate/trap design of those Milleniums. The trap always is loose and moves about. A bunch of breakers on the lamphouses are physically broken off, perhaps during shipping?
 

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Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 07-06-2008, 01:30 AM:
 
Joe make sure that they are threaded exactly on the lines of the readers. I had the same issue on 1 screen at a venue we installed in Cyprus on 5 Christie projectors and when I reached there I stopped the film for 2 seconds, reajusted the film path on the reader and walla! a solid 3!! The other thing you might want to check is the spring in the casing of the reader. You might want to try to move it a space forth or back depending where it is now. You might have too much pressure on the pad rollers or as you say, you might have a bent shaft . I've personally found these penthouse readers very reliable and with great optics.
Demetris
 

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Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 07-06-2008, 02:37 AM:
 
(The Regency was a great place to watch 70mm films there. I cant remember if they had "JJ's" or AA2's - but it was a pretty noisy booth when the machines were running..Place had the great reputation of opening a lot of the summer blockbusters up there located on a hill overseeing the entire SLC valley. Now, it's a large office complex..)
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-06-2008, 04:02 AM:
 
Ha ha I doubt you are thinking of the same Regency. Regency Theaters is a company who shows (mostly) independent-style movies.

Anyway the readers are being threaded correctly without too much or too little tension... that is slightly more tension than, say, a Cat702 reader. I have one BACP that reads 0's and 1's, another that reads 2's and 3's and the fourth one reads 5's, 6's, and a few Fs. The spring didn't feel as if it could be moved. I'd be able to check if I could get the flywheel off. Mark, come out here and remove these flywheels!
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-06-2008, 04:08 AM:
 
On the BACP, the threading diagram printed on the reader is very accurately drawn showing the ideal spacing. Essentially you want it just big enough to put a Sharpie marker in between the two tensioner rollers. (I know you already know this Joe...I am only posting it here for future people searching the archives.)

I say you send the reader to Mark for him to fix. After all, it's his fault it isn't working properly. EVERYTHING that doesn't work right in Utah is his fault!
 

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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 07-06-2008, 08:20 AM:
 
The sad part is that the theater was closed because the mall wanted its space back.... not because Regency wanted out. There was a shooting at this mall a couple of years ago that killed 6 or 7 people. The mall has new owners that feel a need to face lift the place. Its a pretty cool mall actually...built in the old trolly barn.

I can't speak for what happened to the gear after it was all disconnected but all the BACP readers worked just fine when they were last running. We urged them to let us disnmantle them and pack the stuff... now you see what happens when head office thinks they know more than the tech does.

P.S. If the flywheel is on backwards don't point the finger here... I didn't install the stuff, in fact the stuff didn't get any service until after it had been in for about two years. I seem to remember hearing that someone from Seattle did the install. In theory it shouldn't matter which way the flywheel is on the shaft, it'll still spin. I remember doing the LED's, sending one QSC in for repairs and the usual dose of DC ignitors failing. Beyond that there wasn't much trouble there.

Mark
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-06-2008, 04:28 PM:
 
But Mark, technically the penthouse reader IS a "digital" item, and we all know how much you love playing with digital things.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-06-2008, 04:37 PM:
 

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In theory it shouldn't matter which way the flywheel is on the shaft, it'll still spin.

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Yes, this I know and understand. But it makes two of them a HUGE pain to remove and service if it is even possible. I still can't figure out how they were even attached in the first place unless someone glued them onto the shaft or something. Is there some really short metric allen key that I'd need if the allen screw is now pointing towards the inside? I can barely even get my fingers around there.
 

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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 07-06-2008, 05:22 PM:
 
I agree... had I had the need to go in the back of any of them I'd have probably discovered it myself. Good luck straightning them out!!

Mark
 

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Posted by John Hawkinson (Member # 1135) on 07-06-2008, 05:32 PM:
 
Yes, Joe, a number of manufacturers make special hex heys, probably the best known is the Bondhus "Stubby"(tm), but generically they are "short arm hex keys."



It's good to have a set kicking around.

And, of course, you can always "sacrifice" an allen wrench and cut it down to size for your application.

--jhawk
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-06-2008, 05:39 PM:
 
I think it needs to be shorter on the long end rather than the short end.
 

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Posted by John Hawkinson (Member # 1135) on 07-06-2008, 05:41 PM:
 
Then just flip a regular hex key around the other way (weak leverage) and turn it with a pair of pliers?

--jhawk
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-06-2008, 06:31 PM:
 
Don't go sacrificing a perfectly good allen wrench! Just throw the reader away and buy a new one. Your company loves to spend money anyway.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-06-2008, 09:41 PM:
 
I'm not going to sacrifice one of my allen wrenches! The theater doesn't own any metric allens, so they would have to buy some for me to sacrifice.

Now with buying the new reader, shouldn't I just throw away the projector, lamphouse, automation, platter, sound system and the auditorium itself and just get new everything just to be 100% sure?
 

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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 07-06-2008, 10:14 PM:
 

quote: Joe Redifer

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Now with buying the new reader, shouldn't I just throw away the projector, lamphouse, automation, platter, sound system and the auditorium itself and just get new everything just to be 100% sure?

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Joe,
I think everyone here knows that you'd be far happier AND better off with an all Christie booth .
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-04-2008, 01:47 AM:
 
So it appears that I have a slightly bent shaft which makes one of the readers F constantly no matter what (though it is sometimes solid in certain trailers). The problem does not follow the LEDs. When watching the flywheel spin, you can see a slight wobble.

Is it possible to order just a replacement shaft? If so, what is the PN?
 

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Posted by Sam D. Chavez (Member # 1841) on 08-04-2008, 09:19 AM:
 
Joe,

The way to remove the flywheel which is job one is to use the holes used to attach the reel arms to gain access to the allen on the inside of the flywheel.

I can't speak to the bent shaft but it is a tight fit and may not come out. I'm out of town, so contact Clint and get in touch with David Sanchez and ask for some help.
 

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Posted by Clint Koch (Member # 1179) on 08-04-2008, 12:40 PM:
 
Joe, I am also out of town today. Contact Tom Atkison at USL and he will help you out. We will need to know who you purchased the unit from so we can keep the paper trail clean.
USL, 805-549-0161
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 08-04-2008, 01:50 PM:
 
Shouldn't the serial number show that?
 

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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-04-2008, 02:03 PM:
 
They originally belonged to Madstone. I'm out of town too fishing near Ennis,MT. so don't call me either. I did find out that a bunch of kids were hired to haul em down the stairs and load em on the truck...
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-04-2008, 05:48 PM:
 
Madstone never had any digital sound they didn't inherit and I don't think the BACP readers existed when they did. I would call Tom but I am out of town. I'll try to get the serial number on Tuesday night.
 

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Posted by Clint Koch (Member # 1179) on 08-04-2008, 09:39 PM:
 
The serial number will show who originaly bought the unit yet as we all know things do change hands. Old theatres close and people buy the used equipment and then sell it on to another user who then sells it again and again etc. etc...

What I was getting at was how it came to be at the theatre it is now in. Say Steve at Cardinal Sound originally bought it from BACP and then sold it to XYZ Theatre. Then XYZ theatre closed and MiT bought all the used equipment and sold this particular piece to the theatre Joe is at. This would mean that MiT is who we need to go through, not Cardinal Sound or BACP.

Anyway, we will get this settled when Joe is back in town.

If anyone has questions on this I am back in the office tomorrow (Tuesday the 5th) and you can call me.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-04-2008, 09:47 PM:
 
I'm pretty sure Regency Theaters originally purchased it for their Utah theater. That theater closed and it is now at Regency in Colorado. Whether they purchased it new, used or inherited it is unknown to me. I guess that question could be answered by looking at whoever originally purchased the unit when I get the serial.
 

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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-04-2008, 09:59 PM:
 
Ha, I bet the serial numbers will be out of town when you go to check! But when you can finally get together with them when both you and they get back in at least we'll have a really good idea who put the flywheels on backwards .

Actually Madstone very definately did open that location up at Trolley Square in SLC with that gear. They left because Megaplex just a couple miles away got all the good mainstream titles and The local Art House jokers had more scresns and so tied up all the artsie stuff. After Madstone left it sat closed for quite some time with the gear in place. Regency reopened it and ran it till we ripped all that stuff out at their request. Actually the Mall owners wanted the space for retail. The firmware that was in the 650's was pretty early stuff. The firmware thats in them now has plenty of bugs to drive Joe crazy! At Midnight on December 18th they will all, well, I'm not tellin whats going to happen.

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If anyone has questions on this I am back in the office tomorrow (Tuesday the 5th) and you can call me.

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If I were you I'd definately still be out of the office tommrrow since everyone around now knows and thinks you'll be in the office. Ha, won't they be disappointed...

Mark
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-04-2008, 11:27 PM:
 
Perhaps, but did Madstone buy that gear new? Were BACP readers in use back then? When were BACP readers introduced to the market? I always had trouble getting Madstone to spend any money in the booth (but they sure spent it on the lobby), and when they did they sent me 2 new and 4 severely used Strong switched platters! STRONG! Not even SCDC!

I will be sure to quit on December 17.
 

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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-05-2008, 08:38 AM:
 
Yep, It all went in new... We went over and hooked up the automation remote just after Madstone had opened the place so they could start the shows from downstairs... They quickly found out they weren't going to be making dollar one with a four screen theater located just 1.5 miles from a 12 screen mainstream location and half a mile another 6 screen Arstie fartsie location. So they let the projectionists go and the manager ran the booth. Ditto with Regency except they had a booth monger upstairs on weekends.

Mark
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-05-2008, 03:35 PM:
 
Where is the automation remote/status panel and why was it not removed from Utah?
 

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Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 08-05-2008, 07:39 PM:
 
Far as I know its still hanging on the wall at the mall. We were only hired to disconnect the equipment in the booth and remove the speakers in the auditorium. Nothing else which is probably why you also didn't get the light dimmers.

Mark
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-06-2008, 02:14 AM:
 

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The way to remove the flywheel which is job one is to use the holes used to attach the reel arms to gain access to the allen on the inside of the flywheel.

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