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Posted by Logan Ayliffe (Member # 5101) on 03-24-2009, 12:14 PM:
 
Heya there film gurus.

I have some Century SA and C projectors and I am trying to find an estimated year of manufacturer. I called Strong Ballantyne but their customer service says they don't keep serial numbers back that far.

Here they are, if anyone has a clue.

Century SA Projectors -
#4595
#4594

Century C Projector -
#C-8938

Lacking actual manufacture dates, which model is older? The C's or the SAs?
 
Posted by Robert E. Allen (Member # 1351) on 03-24-2009, 01:13 PM:
 
You might drop a note to Balantyne of Omaha (Strong) who have been manufacturing Century for the last couple of decades and perhaps they could tell you. The Cs are the oldest.
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 03-24-2009, 01:24 PM:
 
The c is the older
 
Posted by Tony Bandiera Jr (Member # 2365) on 03-24-2009, 01:53 PM:
 
Robert, he already called Strong and they were no help..do you know of a specific person he could ask for who may be able to help?
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 03-24-2009, 02:32 PM:
 
do a site search here I believe dick prather posted a list once
 
Posted by Robert E. Allen (Member # 1351) on 03-24-2009, 04:16 PM:
 
My wife and I were given a tour of the Balantyne plant in '06 by one of the executives. But would you believe I have forgotten his name. Of course these days I'm forgetting a lot of things. Go to their website (www.strongcinema.com) and look for the "contact us" button. Or call again and try to get past the pretty young thing at the front dest that answers the phone.
 
Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 03-24-2009, 06:14 PM:
 
Century never made s/n 1-100, so 101 is the first one. I have JJ 104 & 105. LOuis
 
Posted by John Walsh (Member # 168) on 03-24-2009, 07:50 PM:
 
Wow, Louis, I pretty sure worked with JJ #106 and #107 for many years ... many years ago. I'll have to check when I go there again. It had the reversed gate/trap setup, which I have never seen any parts listing/ pictorial for.
 
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 03-24-2009, 09:09 PM:
 
JJ s/n 119 (might be 118) is still in daily use, as far as I know.
 
Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 03-24-2009, 10:49 PM:
 
and I happen to have jj 101 nad 102
 
Posted by Dick Prather (Member # 1136) on 03-25-2009, 03:00 PM:
 
Strong does not have very many records or manuals of anything they did not make. ORC had books with serial numbers but I have only seen copies of the first book. All pre-war. I have not had much luck finding exact serial numbers for Century other then the first 1000 or so

As posted the Century C was before the SA. C #8938 was probably made around 1948-49. Then came the H in the early 1950's and the A in the mid 1950's. I thought Century advertised it as the model A with the "S" being single shutter and "D" meaning double shutter version with all kinds of other letters added for water cooling, cinefocus, etc.

Your SA's #4594 & #4595 are probably around 1960 or so.
Dick
 
Posted by Logan Ayliffe (Member # 5101) on 03-25-2009, 03:03 PM:
 
Thanks so much for the information and attempts from everyone, I really appreciate it!
 
Posted by Robert Throop (Member # 61) on 03-26-2009, 01:15 PM:
 
quote: Dick Prather
As posted the Century C was before the SA. C #8938 was probably made around 1948-49. Then came the H in the early 1950's and the A in the mid 1950's.
I have an issue of IP from 1958 announcing the introduction of the model H. I believe the A models coincided with the introduction of the JJ2 35/70mm projector in 1962 or '63.
Bob
 
Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 751) on 03-26-2009, 05:51 PM:
 
What is a Century MSA?
 
Posted by Aaron Sisemore (Member # 145) on 03-26-2009, 05:58 PM:
 
quote: Mitchell Dvoskin
What is a Century MSA?
Century SA, direct drive (that's what the M designates).

-Aaron
 
Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 03-26-2009, 06:54 PM:
 
Bob, the H coincided with the introduction of Cinemascope 55. The later JJ's were a corruption of the 55mm projector, which continued to the end of 70mm. (only 15mm difference!) Louis
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-26-2009, 10:58 PM:
 
There is one thats older then the C and thats the Waller Gunnery Projector. A few of those made it into exhibition after WW-2. Looked like a C but was called something else which slips my mind at the moment.

Actually Louis there is one BIG difference in the CS55 movements from everything else Century built... they had a slightly accelerated pull down which was done by sliding the cam pin (mounted on a vee block) just slightly back and forth via a ball bearing rider and machined cam that was underneath the main cam itself. It was quite ingenious. My movement is at the Chicago Cinema Museum.

Also, wasn't the CS-55 machine called the Model EE?

Mark
 
Posted by Dick Prather (Member # 1136) on 03-26-2009, 11:34 PM:
 
Robert, you could be closer on dates then I was. I will have to look at some of my IP's and refresh my memory ans update my info. My "C" date is probably close but others may be early.

Cantury C & CC's came out in 1940 as a major change from the Century K. Century K was a Kaplan or Simplex clone. I have the gunnery trainer projector as a model "N" and special units known as a model "S". ALL of these projectors along with the "C" used the same consecutive serial numbers.

The gunery trainer machines had a shutter cover half the length of the "C" and other shaft attachments for sync.
Dick
 
Posted by Robert Throop (Member # 61) on 03-27-2009, 09:46 AM:
 
I've seen references to a Century model P. Does anyone know about that?
Bob
 
Posted by Marc Hansen (Member # 705) on 03-27-2009, 08:10 PM:
 
So as long as we are talking about it what would be approximate age of a Westrex 2001-E/3 Serial Number 2193?
 
Posted by Bob Jones (Member # 1756) on 03-27-2009, 09:40 PM:
 
This may help -- or narrow it down a little more.

I just bought a pair of Century SAWs with TR3 soundheads a couple of months ago. I know they were purchased new as a pair - and were in a private screening room from the date of the original purchase. I did not buy the lamphouses - but they were also purchased new with the initial install - they were Strong Mighty Mites.

I called Strong and talked to Jim - who is the archivist - to try to date my new acquisition -- I was told the same thing about the lack of any serial number info for Century prior to their acquisition -- BUT WHERE I DID STRIKE GOLD -- was that I had the serial numbers for the Lamphouses - which Strong made - and he had the information on those - and I was told the lamphouses were shipped from the factory on a particular day in March, 1968.

So - because I know that all the equipment was new and installed together - I put the date of manufacturer of the these Century serial numbers to be around March, 1968.

Century SAW - SERIAL # 1651 AND 1688
and Century TR-3 Sound Heads - SERIAL # 4474 AND 4475

Allow me to add - these projectors only have 206 and 236 hours on them respectively -- and are pristine - they look like they just rolled off the assembly line. The serial numbers on the Essanay Zipper changeovers are also consecutively numbered.
 
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