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Posted by Thomas Hauerslev (Member # 566) on 01-31-2011, 02:08 PM:

Dear 70mm friends

We are looking forward to seeing all of you again in Bradford in March 2011. Come and see Cinerama and 70mm in all its splendour. We will include new 4k DCP prints of classic widescreen and large format films, as well as a mix of new and old 70mm prints, from the vaults and collectors alike, in its 70mm curved screen splendour.

For bookings contact Jeni Hall at the Museum on 01274 - 203442 or email Jennifer.Hall@NationalMediaMuseum.org.uk

Programme details can also be found at http://www.in70mm.com/pictureville/2011/index.htm and

And detail on the films at http://www.in70mm.com/pictureville/2011 ... /index.htm

Also the Museum’s own page at http://www.nationalmediamuseum.org.uk/n ... screen.asp

Bill and I look forward to seeing you there.

Posted by Paul Gordon (Member # 3320) on 01-31-2011, 04:19 PM:

Hi Thomas,

Curious about Dersu Uzala, how are you gonna do the English subtitles?, it says Russian with Dutch subtitles in your program.

Cheers,

Paul

Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 01-31-2011, 05:30 PM:

Thomas,

Hope to see you in Bradford this year.

Your link to the NMM website has been broken; the Widescreen Weekend page seems to be here:

web page

On this page "Dr. Zhivago" and "How the West was Won" are both shown as being '70mm'. Since "Dr. Zhivago" was shot in 35mm anamorphic, and is being presented digitally, it's difficult to see what this means. Was the film scanned from a 70mm element?

"How the West was Won" was shot, and is being presented in Cinerama, I believe a few few scenes were shot in 65mm, so what does '70mm' mean in this case?

On your own site, "The Bridge on the River Kwai" is described as being 'in 4k DCP CinemaScope with full 6-track PCM stereo sound on the flat screen' This description seems to mix origination and presentation formats. The more detailed description in the full programme says 'Filmed in: 35mm 4 perforations, 24 frames per second. Principal photography in: CinemaScope. Presented on: The flat screen in a new 4K DCP print with a new 5.1 digital soundtrack. Aspect ratio: 2,55:1.', but further down we see 'About showing 4k DCP on a 2k projector. The server scales a 4k DCP down to 2K DCP and the projector shows it in 2K.'. What does 'a new 4K DCP print' mean in this case? Does projecting in 2k from 4k data give better quality, in the same way that projecting a 35mm print from a 65mm negative can?

These days when a film may have been originated in one format, or possibly several different ones, has been restored in one digital format, or if it's a more recent production passed through a digital intermediate in one digital format, distributed as data in a different digital format, and finally projected by a digital projector possibly at a different resolution, it's difficult to know what we are actually seeing.The days when a film could be simply stated as being in Todd-AO or Cinemascope or whatever seem to have passed.

"Дерсу Узала" sounds interesting; I know no Danish, and only a little Russian.

Posted by Thomas Hauerslev (Member # 566) on 02-01-2011, 12:17 AM:

Dersu have Danish subtitles, not Dutsch.

The museum web site need some editing, but it is not something I do.

Zhivago and West is not 70mm

Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 02-01-2011, 12:58 AM:

What happened to the new WSS 70mm with the Chase restored original 5 across-the-front DTS mix?

Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 02-01-2011, 05:32 AM:

Frank, WSS ran in 70mm at the Bradford Festival quite recently, 2009 I think, so it's probably a bit too soon to bring it back again, even in a new version.

Posted by Thomas Hauerslev (Member # 566) on 02-02-2011, 05:32 AM:

see http://www.in70mm.com/now_showing/index.htm

WWS shown next week @ AFI

Posted by Michael Brown (Member # 890) on 02-04-2011, 06:13 PM:

What digital projector is installed at Pictureville? Is it a 2k or a 4k?

Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 02-05-2011, 09:28 AM:

quote: Michael Brown
What digital projector is installed at Pictureville? Is it a 2k or a 4k?

Michael, it's a 2k Christie, unless things have changed since last year which I don't think they have. The Widescreen Weekend section on in70mm says:

"The server scales a 4k DCP down to 2K DCP and the projector shows it in 2K."