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Posted by Shawn Arndt (Member # 7159) on 11-28-2012, 09:26 AM:

I've got a question. I've got a DTS-6D and was trying to play Jurassic Park & Star Trek: Generations. I had some issue. I then used a Winamp plug-in to check them out and it came back "Unknown AUD File". I do have the v1.46 updated BIOS.

Were the early discs just stereo tracks compared to the 5.1 on the later discs for these movies or is it something else?

Thanks.....

[Smile]

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 11-28-2012, 10:09 AM:

A few hundred of the first DTS systems sold were of the "DTS-S" variety, units that could be dropped into an existing stereo-optical sound system. When Jurassic Park was first released DTS-6 systems cost only $3500 and the DTS-S units cost only $2500. DTS-S was phased out in 1994. Everything went to DTS-6 only after that.

Given Star Trek: Generations was a summer 1994 release, I don't know if that movie had a mix of DTS-6 and DTS-S CD-ROM discs.

I don't know if a 3-drive DTS-6D has any compatibility issues with playing DTS-S discs. It wouldn't surprise me if it did, given the DTS-S stereo format was eliminated before the DTS-6D was introduced.

Posted by Peter Hall (Member # 695) on 11-28-2012, 10:42 AM:

Hi
The DTS-S units used different disks to the 6 channel ones - these were usually marked DTS-Stereo. The playback units had only one disk drive and the 2 channel playback card - the 6 channel output card was an upgrade, as was the extra disk drive. Initially we installed both the 6 chl and 2 chl cabling on 6 channel units, then stopped bothering with the 2 channnel (which was a pain - it needed A type NR plus a switch to projector 2). The Mask, Jurrasic Park and a few others were released in DTS 2 channel, it was quickly dropped. We upgraded all the UK units to 6 track - I think about 80 units, mainly UCI. I have a couple of 6 channel units and some DTS6Ds taking up shelf space - open to offers !

Cheers

Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 11-28-2012, 12:53 PM:

Jurassic Park - being the first with DTS in 1993, was four channel only along with their players. By the next year, DTS made the revision on the players for six channel playback. Early DTS-6 units had twin spin, caddie drives installed and were workhorses in themselves.

Any computer can read the content on the DTS discs since the content is MSDOS based ...

Plain DOS or Windows Explorer can see the content on the discs.

The players used ix86 processors and momboards - DTS-6 used a 386 processor, and the 6D used 486sx25 processors.

Posted by Shawn Arndt (Member # 7159) on 11-28-2012, 01:14 PM:

Wow, nice to see the responses, thanks.

I did drop the discs into a Windows laptop. When I use the "plug-in" for Winamp to check play it said "Unkown AUD File" and they wouldn't play. Any other .AUD file I checked was at least playable....these 2 movies were not.

Is there any way to find out more about DTS-S? I've done some searching and there isn't a whole lot out there that helps explain how to handle it.

And again, thanks for the replies....I like learning how this stuff works ..... makes it easier to deal with issues as they arise.

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 11-28-2012, 01:34 PM:

quote: Monte L Fullmer
Jurassic Park - being the first with DTS in 1993, was four channel only along with their players.

Is Monte right?

My memory may be off, but I kinda recall that DTS offered 6-channels with the initial "Jurassic Park" rollout. Many theatres advertised DTS 6-Track playback (and I'm pretty sure that's how I saw/heard it in 1993).

Some other cinemas advertised "DTS Stereo" which was vague, since it wasn't clear if they were playing the 2-Track disc (matrix decoded or not), or the analog-optical track, which wasn't officially a Dolby track (even though it used A-Type NR.)

My very first DTS players had "check boxes" on the packaging to indicate "Stereo" or "6-Track" -- and the manuals also specified that they were for the 6-Track players.

I recently ran an archival print of Jurassic Park -- and it came with both sets of discs -- "DTS Stereo" and "DTS 6-Track"

Posted by Shawn Arndt (Member # 7159) on 11-28-2012, 02:23 PM:

I believe I saw it mentioned in a thread here that Lt/Rt is decoded to LCRS which would mean it's analog audio? I see Manny mentions that there is 6-Track Jurassic Park audio....would Generations have a 6-Track variation as well?

Since the discs I got were kindly copied and sent to me I can only guess that by what I've learned so far, I probably have the DTS-S versions. At this point the only way for me to know for sure would be to take a file and decode it properly to wav format and play it through Windows.

Would anyone with the 6-Track discs have extras they'd be willing to part with?

It's amazing to find how much there is to learn about stuff like this. Thanks for everyone being so helpful.

Shawn

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 11-28-2012, 04:27 PM:

The DTS recordings are digital. Depending on your player and processor, the DTS output might be analog or digital.

For instance, my original DTS-6 players output analog to the Smart IIB and Dolby CP-45 processors, but a digital connection was possible to the Smart MOD IIC. Connection to the "Film" input of a DMA8plus processor would also be analog.

Even though DTS-Stereo (2-track) still needed to be Lt/Rt decoded, one would have noticed improvements in: signal-to-noise, dynamic range, frequency response, and perfect "azimuth" -- as compared to analog-optical. Furthermore, splices or other print damage would have had no degrading effect on the soundtrack.

My experience with copied DTS discs is that they're hit-or-miss -- sometimes they play just fine, and sometimes they don't. For example, earlier this year I received an Italian film with DTS discs containing the English dubbed version of the soundtrack -- those discs were useless. They wouldn't even load. [This wasn't the end of the world for us, because we really wanted the Italian dialogue (the SR-D track) for the actual screening anyway, but I was hoping to test out my DTS player.]

Back in the day, when I was running lots of first-run stuff, it wasn't too difficult to phone the distributor -- or even the depot -- and request a set of "chaser" discs. Not sure what happens when a repertory title doesn't include the discs.

Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 11-28-2012, 05:04 PM:

The DTS STEREO was a LtRt track that was fed through the Projector 2 optical preamp
JP was available in both version as was one or two more movies
There was a issue with the NR encoding on the tracks since it played through the cinemas NR cards

Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 11-28-2012, 05:09 PM:

quote: Shawn Arndt
I did drop the discs into a Windows laptop. When I use the "plug-in" for Winamp to check play it said "Unkown AUD File" and they wouldn't play.

To my knowledge, there is no general player application for DTS cinema files.

You sometimes come across DTS files and the like, but they are not of the cinema DTS type.

Just because their extension is *.AUD doesn't mean it is the same file format as the WINAMP *.AUD format.

- Carsten

Posted by Shawn Arndt (Member # 7159) on 11-28-2012, 05:55 PM:

quote: Carsten Kurz
To my knowledge, there is no general player application for DTS cinema files.

You sometimes come across DTS files and the like, but they are not of the cinema DTS type.

Just because their extension is *.AUD doesn't mean it is the same file format as the WINAMP *.AUD format.

- Carsten

Carsten,

These weren't files I just found somewhere or files that were left on my doorstep from some anonymous secret delivery person during the cover of dark. They were copies of DTS cinema discs that I received from someone kind enough to help me out. I'm not trying to be mean....but it would probably help if you read the entire thread before responding.

Thanks

Posted by Daniel Schulz (Member # 1881) on 11-28-2012, 06:15 PM:

There was a slight change made to the file formats immediately after Jurassic Park to correct a few technical issues and update the .exe to support new CD drive hardware. The very first run of Jurassic Park discs do not play back in modern DTS and Datasat hardware for this reason (we have of course since then made new Jurassic Park discs). I'm not positive, but this may be why the oldest discs are not playable using the Winamp plugin.

The collective memory on the board with respect to 6-track vs Stereo is correct: Jurassic Park had both mixes available. There was a 5.1 soundtrack, and also a DTS-S version available, which was a digital Lt/Rt. The player output 2 channels, which then needed to be matrix decoded back to the LCRS.

Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 11-28-2012, 06:18 PM:

My customer, National Amusements, launched dts with 6 track Jurassic Park. They only bought 1 dts 2 channel and it was quickly upgraded. (Then the entire curcuit went to Dolby Digital with basement readers.) Louis

Posted by Shawn Arndt (Member # 7159) on 11-28-2012, 06:29 PM:

quote: Daniel Schulz
There was a slight change made to the file formats immediately after Jurassic Park to correct a few technical issues and update the .exe to support new CD drive hardware. The very first run of Jurassic Park discs do not play back in modern DTS and Datasat hardware for this reason (we have of course since then made new Jurassic Park discs). I'm not positive, but this may be why the oldest discs are not playable using the Winamp plugin.

The collective memory on the board with respect to 6-track vs Stereo is correct: Jurassic Park had both mixes available. There was a 5.1 soundtrack, and also a DTS-S version available, which was a digital Lt/Rt. The player output 2 channels, which then needed to be matrix decoded back to the LCRS.

I had read about the plug-in here so I went searching...just to test the files out. Apparently both the JP & Generations discs I have are probably the older DTS-S. I will search out the 6-Track discs.

[Smile]

Shawn

Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 11-28-2012, 07:18 PM:

Shawn - don't know how to make my point clear - to my knowledge, there is no WINAMP Plugin or any other media player application to play original cinema dts files - no matter wether it is the later dts 6 channel or dts-s format. You can browse and copy the files, that's it.

DTS consumer format or Winamp AUD files are a completely different species, so I consider it completely normal that Winamp can not read these AUD files from dts cinema discs.

You need the proper dts hardware player and the necessary timecode/reader in order to play DTS discs. A windows laptop can not do it. Which 'the plugin' do you mean? The more common Winamp AUD format is a game music format.

DTS stereo (not DTS-S) was an analog optical format compatible with Dolby SR. It's only original intention was to have an optical fallback format for digital DTS, without the need for a proper Dolby licensed SR track. With the later common combo DD, DTS,SDDS, and SR prints, there was no need for a dedicated analog DTS fallback format anymore, and they gave up on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTS_(sound_system)

- Carsten

Posted by Shawn Arndt (Member # 7159) on 11-28-2012, 07:33 PM:

Sorry, double post.

Posted by Shawn Arndt (Member # 7159) on 11-28-2012, 07:33 PM:

quote:
Shawn - I say it again - there is no WINAMP Plugin or any other media player application to play original cinema dts files - no matter wether it is the later dts 6 channel or dts-s format.

DTS consumer format or Winamp AUD files are a completely different species.

You need the proper dts hardware player and the necessary timecode/reader in order to play them.

- Carsten

I believe you mean that the DTS Cinema audio format & Winamp .AUD files are different because the discs don't have consumer DTS on them....that is the Coherent Acoustics codec used for DVD, and it is not the same as either of those.

I HAVE a DTS-6D which I also posted about earlier. DTS .AUD files WERE able to be played via a certain .dll but it will not work for .AUE files at all. They changed the format to combat piracy.

These are all things I've read about here. If you're saying that everything I read is myth then you'll have to take it up with the authors of those posts, not me.

Thanks

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 11-29-2012, 08:46 AM:

The theatrical DTS format used a waveform compression codec called APT-X100 and ran at 820 kilobits per second (IIRC). It's a completely different format from the consumer DTS lossy compression format (the DTS Coherent Acoustics codec).

I'm not entirely certain, but I seem to remember reading claims from WinAmp users about being able to play audio files from theatrical DTS discs made up until the early 2000's. That goes along with DTS making some changes to how the discs were encoded which apparently broke the WinAmp ability to play DTS theatrical discs made from then on.

quote: Daniel Schulz
There was a slight change made to the file formats immediately after Jurassic Park to correct a few technical issues and update the .exe to support new CD drive hardware.

I thought that all the original 2-drive DTS-6 and DTS-S units used the same 2X speed SCSI-based Toshiba CD-ROM caddy style drives. Perhaps it was an update to improve performance of those drives?

The main technical issue I remember being solved after the 2nd or maybe 3rd Universal release with DTS: the movie title being included in the time code to prevent the wrong discs being loaded for a given movie. Apparently one or more theaters had cases where discs for Jurassic Park were either loaded or simply left in the disc drives for playing Heart & Souls, Universal's 2nd movie with DTS. I'm not sure if Hard Target was the first release done with the corrected time code.

quote: Daniel Schulz
The very first run of Jurassic Park discs do not play back in modern DTS and Datasat hardware for this reason (we have of course since then made new Jurassic Park discs).

Do those discs play with the original first run of Jurassic Park prints, the ones with the shorter "digital experience" snipe and proper looking DTS logo on the end credits? Another run of Jurassic Park prints were made several months later. The logos on the end credits are different; the DTS "digital experience" logo was horribly goofed up looking and the Dolby logo used was the dreaded triple format logo with the silly "verify theater format" tagline underneath.

quote: Monte L Fullmer
Jurassic Park - being the first with DTS in 1993, was four channel only along with their players. By the next year, DTS made the revision on the players for six channel playback.

Even though others have sort of responded to this, I'll do so directly.

The DTS format launched with both 6-track and stereo versions. The stereo versions were offered, at a $1000 price discount, to increase installation numbers. I don't know the breakdown between DTS-6 installation versus DTS-S installations for the original roll out with Jurassic Park. The DTS-S units helped boost that format debut theater count to over 800. At the time DTS was introduced with Jurassic Park Dolby Digital was equipped on perhaps 100 screens in North America, if even that. The first generation Dolby Digital systems were commanding a $20K price tag compared to the cheap price for DTS.

Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 11-29-2012, 01:09 PM:

Just a short reminder: dts has never had 6 channels. 5.0 with subs stripped from one of the surrounds. Dolby and others had discrete sub channels, full range possible on the Dolby. Louis

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 11-29-2012, 02:42 PM:

^ This is true.

Posted by Tom Mundell (Member # 4555) on 11-29-2012, 04:00 PM:

quote: Bobby Henderson
Another run of Jurassic Park prints were made several months later. The logos on the end credits are different; the DTS "digital experience" logo was horribly goofed up looking and the Dolby logo used was the dreaded triple format logo with the silly "verify theater format" tagline underneath.

Was there a reason to do something like this? It seems like it would be cheaper and easier to just leave things alone. Did the new prints have a Dolby Digital track and this was a side effect of having to add the Dolby logo?

Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 11-29-2012, 07:29 PM:

Universal releases were dts only with analog backup for a number of years. Perhaps someone remembers when DD showed up on their prints. Louis

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 11-30-2012, 02:05 AM:

Sooooo much confusion here.

Yes "stereo" (Lt, Rt) discs existed in the beginning. Yes they ran through the optical preamp input and matrix decoder as explained above. They were always labeled "STEREO" as opposed to the usual "6 TRACK" everyone is used to seeing.

On a side note, any dts disc with a 4 digit serial number is a standard 5.1 mix (although Louis is correct, there was no actual subwoofer channel...it was derived from stealing frequencies out of the surrounds via a crossover). Any dts disc with a 5 digit serial number is an EX / ES release. (ES was just the dts name for EX, but it is the same thing.)

Yes the first two titles, Jurassic Park and Heart and Souls have since had a remaster done on the discs so they can play with XD10 and newer players. The original discs will play only in dts-6 and dts6-d players...nothing newer.

Yes the remastered discs for JP does have the short dts logo on them, as back then those logos were physically attached (printed on without a splice) to the beginning of the movies. This turned out to be a bad idea, as even mono theaters were playing the snipe, but these early releases had an annoying issue (and these titles are affected) where if you cut the logo off to put a newer version of the logo on, the "start" command in the timecode is lost and the entire first reel will not play in dts digital sound! (Seriously, I have absolutely verified this.) I could be wrong, but I THINK that was corrected by Hard Target...to where you could start mid-reel. In a nutshell, if you were running a Jurassic Park print and had to stop the show during a reel for whatever reason, when you started it back up you would be running analog sound until the next reel change where another "start" command was in the timecode. As I stated, dts quickly fixed that.

No there was never Jurassic Park prints with the longer dts logo printed onto them for the reasons above.

Yes the restruck prints have the same timecode and play with the same discs. This is the same reason why you could have the same discs and play the US (Paramount) or European (Fox) print of Titanic...or similarly, play English discs with a French dubbed print from Canada.

Yes the third release Hard Target had the "technical issue" resolved, and original discs from that day will play fine even in the latest XD20 player.

Yes there IS a Winamp plugin that enables the dts cinema discs to play on a PC. That all changed with the third Lord of the Rings movie thanks to piracy paranoia. I used to have a copy somewhere, but I've no idea where it is or if I still have it.

Posted by Shawn Arndt (Member # 7159) on 11-30-2012, 08:23 AM:

Thanks Brad, for taking the time to lay things out like that. Very informative. It is appreciated.

Shawn

Posted by Robert Harrison (Member # 3202) on 12-01-2012, 11:56 AM:

Regarding Universal beginning to use Dolby Digital and SDDS along with DTS soundtracks, I first noticed this with the early 1998 release of "Blues Brothers 2000."

Posted by Chris Slycord (Member # 4239) on 12-01-2012, 07:24 PM:

quote: Carsten Kurz
Shawn - don't know how to make my point clear - to my knowledge, there is no WINAMP Plugin or any other media player application to play original cinema dts files - no matter wether it is the later dts 6 channel or dts-s format. You can browse and copy the files, that's it.

http://in-dtsc.sourceforge.net/

Though I believe it doesn't work on discs produced in the last few years.

edit: And I was beaten to the punch...

Posted by Shawn Arndt (Member # 7159) on 12-01-2012, 08:20 PM:

quote: Chris Slycord
http://in-dtsc.sourceforge.net/

Though I believe it doesn't work on discs produced in the last few years.

edit: And I was beaten to the punch...

Apparently Carsten felt I was lying or trying to propagate some absurd myth .... the only problem with the winamp plug-in is that it doesn't label the channels correctly but apparently people figured out how to correct those mistakes. Besides, the work and patience it takes to get things done proper are a waste of time for most folks..... especially since "Bluray" & Lossless audio are the supposed king of the home viewing arena. If you believe in archiving films past for future generations to enjoy and marvel at, the work is worth it.

[Smile]

Just my 2 cents on the matter anyways.

Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 12-01-2012, 09:37 PM:

http://in-dtsc.sourceforge.net/

only demonstrates a plan to write a winamp plugin. If you follow the discussions, only some basic work for an xmms implementation was done, and the project was abandoned before any usable result was achieved. At least that's what it looks like.

'10/8/03 - Version 0.2.0.0 Released

Release Notes:
Added configuration window, and implemeted custom title formating
Still no playback [Frown]

'

I own quite a few DTS-C discs and would love to have an opportunity to play them. But after a lot of searches on this forum and elsewhere, I have never seen a clear indication that such a plugin exists, let alone a download location.

What you do find is loads of confusion about dts consumer/coherent acoustic, AC3 and the dts-cinema files.

- Carsten

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 12-01-2012, 10:38 PM:

That's not the one I was referring to. The one I used actually worked. I still can't remember what the plugin was called though.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 12-01-2012, 10:46 PM:

quote: Louis Bornwasser
Universal releases were dts only with analog backup for a number of years. Perhaps someone remembers when DD showed up on their prints.

Like Robert Harrison said, Blues Brothers 2000 was Universal's first movie release to have Dolby Digital alongside DTS time code on the film print. SDDS was there too. But Universal's first releases using Dolby Digital took place back in 1993, Matinee in January of 1993 and Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story in May.

From Jurassic Park to In the Name of the Father Universal releases had DTS with Dolby-branded noise reduction applied to the analog tracks. Schindler's List was their first release without the Dolby brand on the analog track. From that point onto a few years later DTS was treating both the digital and analog track on Universal releases. IIRC, MGM's Blown Away was the first movie to use both the DTS Digital Sound logo and DTS Stereo logo on poster art, TV commercials, etc.

Universal dropped their exclusive use of DTS for digital sound first with The Boxer at the end of 1997. That one had DTS and SDDS. Universal released Half Baked a couple weeks later with DTS and SDDS.

One thing that hasn't been clear to me, once Universal started ordering quad format 35mm release prints with Blues Brothers 2000 did they start using Dolby-branded A-type or SR-type noise reduction on the optical analog tracks again?

quote:
Yes the remastered discs for JP does have the short dts logo on them, as back then those logos were physically attached (printed on without a splice) to the beginning of the movies. This turned out to be a bad idea, as even mono theaters were playing the snipe, but these early releases had an annoying issue (and these titles are affected) where if you cut the logo off to put a newer version of the logo on, the "start" command in the timecode is lost and the entire first reel will not play in dts digital sound!

From June 1993 to April 1994 the shorter DTS "the digital experience" snipe was attached to the front of all Universal Studios 35mm release prints. I saw it play a few different times in analog sound here in Lawton (at theaters that are no longer in operation) during that period. I don't remember if the longer digital experience snipe was debuted with The Crow. I saw it for the first time one the front of Speed.

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 12-02-2012, 03:45 PM:

quote: Bobby Henderson
One thing that hasn't been clear to me, once Universal started ordering quad format 35mm release prints with Blues Brothers 2000 did they start using Dolby-branded A-type or SR-type noise reduction on the optical analog tracks again?

According to the spec, "SRD" was to have an SR analog track...so anything with a Dolby Digital soundtrack on it by definition was supposed to have an SR fallback.

Posted by Marco Giustini (Member # 4544) on 12-02-2012, 04:12 PM:

Carsten,
Sorry but you're mistaken, the Winamp plugin existed and worked. It stopped working - as Brad said - when DTS changed the files format for anti-piracy reasons.
The .dll was called "in_APTX.dll" I found it on my archive!

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 12-03-2012, 10:53 AM:

quote: Brad Miller
According to the spec, "SRD" was to have an SR analog track...so anything with a Dolby Digital soundtrack on it by definition was supposed to have an SR fallback.

Yes, any 35mm print with a Dolby Digital track is supposed to have a stereo optical track encoded with Dolby SR noise reduction. But what's there to stop the folks in post production from deviating from that rule?

Didn't The Lion King have some Dolby Digital prints with the analog track encoded with Dolby A-type noise reduction rather than SR?

Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 12-03-2012, 11:38 AM:

Bobby: it is specified in the Dolby contract. "A" is Ok, but then no digital dolby. Louis

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 12-06-2012, 04:51 PM:

Does anyone know definitively what the analog track of "Lion King" was?

I'm curious as to why Disney would bend over backwards to use A-Type if they were entitled to have SR noise reduction. And why only for one title? And why would they create two print masters, and a dual-inventory situation to accommodate this?

That doesn't seem to make any sense to me.

Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 12-06-2012, 08:35 PM:

Lion King was SR. We had to install SR cards at the same time as we installed the da10/cat 699. Louis

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 12-07-2012, 02:34 AM:

Lion King was triple inventory.

SRD
SR
A

Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 12-07-2012, 09:56 AM:

By "triple" do you mean that there were SR-only prints, with no SRD? Or were the SR/SRD combined as usual? (In which case, wouldn't that be triple format, but dual-inventory?)

Anybody have the explanation for the triple inventory?

Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 12-07-2012, 09:58 AM:

I remember that WinAmp plugin. I remember putzing around with it when I was in a video production class in college, and we grabbed some cool sound effects from Kill Bill to use. I'm sure I still have it in my archives too, the driver and old version of winamp that is.

I always had hoped we'd get a version of that original short DTS snipe on video...I've never seen it released on any home format.

AJG

Posted by Shawn Arndt (Member # 7159) on 12-07-2012, 10:05 AM:

quote: Aaron Garman
I always had hoped we'd get a version of that original short DTS snipe on video...I've never seen it released on any home format.

Isn't it on the Jurassic Park DTS discs? At least I thought it was.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 12-07-2012, 10:09 AM:

No. The more sedate "sonic landscape" DTS trailer (the one with the piano) is on the Jurassic Park DTS DVDs. I don't have the Jurassic Park trilogy Blu-ray yet, but I'm guessing there's no DTS trailers on those movie discs since Universal hasn't, AFAIK, put any DTS trailers on any of their other Blu-ray releases.

Posted by Shawn Arndt (Member # 7159) on 12-07-2012, 10:01 PM:

quote: Bobby Henderson
No. The more sedate "sonic landscape" DTS trailer (the one with the piano) is on the Jurassic Park DTS DVDs. I don't have the Jurassic Park trilogy Blu-ray yet, but I'm guessing there's no DTS trailers on those movie discs since Universal hasn't, AFAIK, put any DTS trailers on any of their other Blu-ray releases.

I meant on the DTS Cinema discs for JP....I thought the shorter trailer he was talking about was on there...at least the audio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtzEa62KXBE

^^^^this one?

Posted by Ron Yost (Member # 1850) on 12-08-2012, 01:03 AM:

The first 15-16 seconds of that one, yes. Through 'the Digital Experience' exploding to black.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 12-08-2012, 09:44 AM:

From an advertising standpoint the longer "digital experience" stand-alone trailer is better for making the DTS brand name far more prominent.

The thing I liked about the shorter trailer: the sound of the disc exploding was better. The wind effect whistled off into silence. That worked extremely well in dramatic tone leading into those loud drum thumps in the Jurassic Park opening titles. I wish they had included that in the DVD and Blu-ray releases.

Posted by Sean Weitzel (Member # 244) on 12-08-2012, 01:04 PM:

I have the dll and an install package for v2.95 winamp on a host. but Brad needs to give the ok to post it before I do.

Posted by Shawn Arndt (Member # 7159) on 12-10-2012, 03:57 PM:

quote: Sean Weitzel
I have the dll and an install package for v2.95 winamp on a host. but Brad needs to give the ok to post it before I do.

I know I enjoyed playing around with the setup. It takes a little bit of research to work with it properly but if you're a collector and you are aware that not all soundtracks released nowadays on any disc format are equal then this is something to appreciate.

[Smile]

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