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Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 10-10-2002, 11:33 PM:
 

As the DVD was still out at my local video store I borrowed this film on VHS. I regret this now because the VHS copy, whilst having good color thanks to the wonders of Technicolor, suffered from being presented in pan and scan. I feel like I missed 50% of the film because in fact I did.

A Fistful of Dollars and Few a Few Dollars More were great western films of a particular genre but this film takes the genre to its pinnacle. In ever respect this film takes the earlier films to a new level. The musical score by Ennio Morricone is arguably a work of art in its own right and has become synonamous with the western movie genre. It is simply unforgettable and is a rich thread in a golden movie tapestry.

The addition of Eli Wallach, too, adds the dimensions of humour and genuine emotion in contrast to Eastwood and Cleef's coolness giving the film greater depth and range.

On top of all the above is great artistic direction of a great plot. The close-ups shots of the eyes of the gunslingers are contrasted with wide shots of the towns, the country and the gunfights.

On top of the above, the dubbed soundtrack accentuates the sounds and the careful use of silence gives the film added impact.

The final scenes are also classics bringing the interplay between the three lead characters to a suspenseful but in the end, homorous finality.

My verdict 100% An absolute classic and a must have in any collection.

cheers Peter



 


Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 10-11-2002, 10:54 AM:
 
A truly original and great Western movie, but needs to be seen widescreen. It doesn't adapt well to pan-and-scan. Scene composition is completely messed up.

 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-11-2002, 05:23 PM:
 
The DVD of "The Good the Bad and the Ugly" can be had at most any Wal-Mart for $10. It may be terrible sounding DD 1.0 mono. Still, it is a fun movie to watch.

Little personal note, though still on topic, I got to meet Eli Wallach once. He was the commencement speaker for the School of Visual Arts 1991 graduation ceremony at Avery Fisher Hall in Lincoln Center. When I got up on stage to accept my diploma, I walked over to the fellow, shook his hand and recited my favorite quote of his from the movie, "there are two kinds of people in this world my friend: those who come in through the door (holy cross gesture), and those who come in through the window." I could have said another great line of his from the movie, "if you're going to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." But I don't know if he would have got the reference.


 


Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 10-11-2002, 08:16 PM:
 
The first letterboxed release on laserdisc had decent video quality, but the sound was noticeably out of sync with the picture for a lot of the film.
 
Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 10-18-2002, 03:21 AM:
 
I'm amazed that so few people have made comments on this film. have so few seen or appreciated it?

cheers Peter
 


Posted by Daniel Boisson (Member # 1027) on 10-28-2002, 12:40 AM:
 
I love that movie. I dislike westerns, but that movie is one that I've always liked since I was younger.

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Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 11-05-2002, 09:56 AM:
 
Those Clint Eastwood "Spaghetti Westerns" did fantastic business at the Grandview Drive-In when I worked there in the late 1960's.

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Posted by Peter Berrett (Member # 672) on 11-06-2002, 06:59 AM:
 

Indeed John

This film proves that the Europeans CAN produce great films that will be popular with US audiences.

I think that if there is one thing that the Europeans deserve credit for it is that they have a capacity to produce films with an original style, a fresh feel and a real 'edge'.

By contrast American film makers are the Mcdonalds of the film world. No matter what mainstream American film you watch (with the odd exception to be sure) you know you are going to get a particular type of comedy or drama that is somewhat consistent in content and style with the same type of film that came out last year. There is nothing wrong with such films eg McComedy, McAction, McSoapiedrama etc etc however for those of us who crave something newer and more stimulating one has to look farther afield. (The UK is becoin teh Wimpys of movie-making )

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly really demonstrates this point. It's music is like nothing else you have ever heard in an American western but still outstanding. The choice of shots used is different to that used in American westerns with many close shots of the gunfighters eyes. The long pauses of silence which create the mood and allow the visuals to tell the story is a completely different approach to western movie-making. Sergio Leone should be congratulated and recognised for showing the world that there was movie making life beyond McWestern.

This film just blew me away - it could be argued that this is the greatest western ever made which is ironic in that it was made by Italians and shot in Spain!

Lest it be thought that such great movie making belongs only to another era I would point to 'Amelie' as an example of how the Europeans are continuing to produce great films of high quality and originality.

I think the time is nigh for the Europeans to reenter the Western fray and produce a western that is original and entertaining. I'd like to see Jean-Pierre Jeunet do a western. It would be quite surreal methinks.

cheers Peter



 


Posted by Dave Williams (Member # 299) on 12-31-2002, 02:18 AM:
 
This is a favorite of mine. You must of course get the long version that played OUTSIDE of the states. It is available on DVD. It is so very much fun to see Clint let Eli dangle on that rope time and again. A very fun almost cat and mouse game.

Dave
 
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 01-11-2003, 03:45 AM:
 
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I'm amazed that so few people have made comments on this film.
Peter, there aren't many Western fans around anymore. I think you and I are two of the few on Film-Tech ("Two of the Few"... sounds like a good name for a Western!)

I keep hoping, with each new Western made, that a resurgence of popularity will occur. When "Unforgiven" won the Oscar, that was as good as it gets, but alas, the genre was only bouncing.

Maybe it's not too far in the future before it comes around again. Audiences seem to be on a medieval-fantasy-King Arthur kind of kick right now... you see it in the video games. It's gotta be just a matter of time before they discover Westerns again.

Keep the faith, brother! [Smile]
 
Posted by William Leland III (Member # 1400) on 01-13-2003, 04:41 PM:
 
I think this was the first western I ever saw (not sure how old I was) but i thought all westerns where suppose to be like this. After watching "The Good,The Bad and The Ugly" I went and rented "Fistful and Few Dollars" they where o.k. but I felt like something was missing. I rented some more Eastwood westerns and they couldn't compete with "The Good,The Bad and The Ugly". "Hang'em High" was one i liked alot.

I think, the reason we think "The Good,The Bad and The Ugly" is great because, after "The Good,The Bad and The Ugly" Eastwood came out with so many westerns how could we not compare that movie to this. The same actor, same type of western genre. Americans saw only another western. Which it was. Imagine if every Tom Hanks movie he was turned into a little boy. The first time it would be great, but after that it's not going to impress you.

Westerns today are more like MTV style videos. They can't tell a story or a script that makes you say WOW.

If you want a true western read Zane Grey . He creatd the Lone Ranager and is an excellent western writer.
 
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 01-14-2003, 12:17 AM:
 
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Imagine if every Tom Hanks movie he was turned into a little boy. The first time it would be great, but after that it's not going to impress you.

Well, you're mixing metaphors. Tom Hanks turning into a boy ("BIG") is the premise of a story; Westerns are a genre which refers to their setting. But I think I understand your point -- you just didn't like the stories. Certainly, there are several basic premises for Westerns, and hundreds of variations (some are better than others), and I don't see too many I don't like. Westerns are pure adventure and escapism for me. They allow the viewer to become a cowboy vicariously -- enjoy the ride!
[Cool]

And I purely love Zane Grey... Louis Lamour, too! Those are great reads.
 
Posted by Ray Brown (Member # 1449) on 01-24-2003, 11:07 AM:
 
I bought the Man With No Name triology pack on DVD at Christmas and watched them in the order they were released.

The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly has got to be by far the best. [thumbsup] The photography, story line, and music were excellant. I can't imagine watching this with pan & scan.

I like the westerns and am working on collecting the classics on DVD.
 
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 01-25-2003, 12:28 PM:
 
Speaking of Westerns on DVD, I just bought "The Man from Utah" at Barnes and Noble. A good Wayne B-Western from the early 30s, and Paul Malvern's "Lone Star" unit at Monogram. Excellent quality! As a bonus, the DVD includes pictures of some B-Western one-sheets, a fairly-common 1930s movie blooper reel, as well as several period newreels and a trivia quiz.

Best $5 I ever spent! Yeah! [thumbsup]
 
Posted by Michael Schaffer (Member # 1204) on 01-25-2003, 12:44 PM:
 
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I think that if there is one thing that the Europeans deserve credit for it is that they have a capacity to produce films with an original style, a fresh feel and a real 'edge'.
Unfortunately, most European film industries have been macdonaldinised away. There are very few original, stylish films now. The only country which still has an interesting movie scene on a bigger scale is France. They still manage to turn out a wide variety of films, from arthouse to blockbuster. Have you seen "Le Pacte des Loups - The Brotherhood of the Wolves"? It should appeal to you, there are many references to Western movies (also credited in the commentary of director Christophe Gans).
 
Posted by Tim Reed (Member # 137) on 03-03-2003, 07:56 PM:
 
Okay, I just got "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" on DVD for $9 at Walmart...

F A N T A S T I C !

How beautiful this picture looks in its original panoramic format! And it's great to hear the soundtrack in proper sync, too (as opposed to the Turner TV screenings).

The narrative, of course, remains beyond reproach.
 
Posted by Christian Appelt (Member # 1067) on 03-04-2003, 09:10 AM:
 
Last year I saw a 35mm print of the english version, and I was amazed about the clarity and sharpness. This is the best looking TechniScope film I ever saw, and most of today`s Super-35 cinematographers should be ashamed. [Mad] Enough light, low-speed negative and dye-transfer printing, this made the film look almost 3D except for some wear at the reel ends.
Definitely a film that should be rereleased because it`s a totally different experience on DVD and in a theatre.
 
Posted by Geoffrey Weiss (Member # 882) on 03-05-2003, 10:09 AM:
 
I'm writing my PhD dissertation on Clint Eastwood--hopefully to get the degree this Spring. I've seen all three spaghettis many times and they're all great! I think "For a Few Dollars More" is my favorite. First, Lee Van Cleef is actually badder than Clint Eastwood (bad as in good) in that film. His first line, "This train'll stop at Tucumcari," is delivered unforgetably. Second, GBU seems to get away from Leone at times, but FFDM is tight and lean throughout. Third, I like Lee Van Cleef so well that I just hate to see him get it at the end of GBU.

If you want to share your memories of seeing these films in theatres (or Dirty Harry or any other Eastwood film) and what they meant to you, post here or email me off-list. Who knows? You might make it into the dissertation or the book that will follow from it. I'm also interested in your favorite Eastwood moment.

Funny story: One of my friends here at Kentucky is a Taiwanese biologist. When Fistful of Dollars came out in 1966 in Taiwan, he remembers all of his friends wandering around in ponchos, chewing tobacco, and spitting while squinting away.

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 03-05-2003, 11:34 AM:
 
I was stationed at Lowry Air Force Base in Denver for most of 1973. Like most large military bases, Lowry had a theatre. I saw many films there, but only 2 of them stick out in my mind as memorable experiences. One of those was "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly". They ran it for one show only, on a Saturday night. The theatre was packed and everyone was clearly loving the movie. I remember quite well that the print was not in very good shape.

(The other film I remember seeing there was Bruce Lee's "Fists Of Fury".)

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Posted by Josh Kirkhart (Member # 1046) on 03-07-2003, 06:03 AM:
 
One of my favorites!

Good news, AMC(the ones that now intercut commercials like gangbusters into classics) has funded a restoration of the 162 minute cut and sprung for the additional dubbing, mixed it in 5.1 and is broadcasting it uncut on May 10th. Prints will be struck and tours in major markets. DVD not so soon, but I'm hopefull.

Read here. http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s745GBU.html
 




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