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Posted by Paul Konen (Member # 41) on 06-22-2001, 01:07 PM:
 
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Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 06-24-2001, 02:24 AM:
 
Yeah...right. THAT'S why he didn't release it first.

If he had done so, how would he get to have people buy it twice?

It's all about the money.

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Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 06-24-2001, 03:55 AM:
 
everything is about the money unfortunatly. Hopefully this thing will be loaded to the gills with special features. I want it for the 5.1 digital sound. Wish they would go ahead and do the first trilogy. plus this is another way to push the next film.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-24-2001, 04:56 AM:
 
Well if you REALLY wanted Ep1 for the 5.1 digital sound, you'd get the Japanese LaserDisc which has been available for a couple of years now. I'm sure it has the exact same Dolby Digital, bit for bit, that will be on the DVD. I have the first three (Special Editions) on LaserDisc, all in 5.1 Dolby Digital and the sound is fantastic.
 
Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 06-24-2001, 02:46 PM:
 
Personally,
I am hoping that the whole STAR WARS series will be released in the futute (all six) on a special value package DVD set with an extra Dvd or more with extra footage or whatever. It will be great to see it in DIGITAL sound and even better to watch Star Wars EP1 in 6.1 channels!!
Demetris Thoupis

"MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU"
 


Posted by Greg Anderson (Member # 235) on 06-24-2001, 05:41 PM:
 
John,

This was always a no-win situation for Lucas. If he'd released a "movie-only" DVD at the same time as the VHS version, people would be accusing him of trying to make us buy it again when the "Special Edition" DVD would inevitably be released. Even by taking sufficient time to produce an impressively-packed DVD version, there are still people who say that the VHS-first approach was just a way to make us buy it twice. If he'd released an American laserdisc back when he did the VHS version, that still wouldn't have made a differece to his critics. Now there are even people saying that 6 hours of extra material on the DVD is, somehow, still not enough. I can't think of another filmmaker whose so-called fans have been this cruel or who have whined this much.
 


Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-24-2001, 06:31 PM:
 
What I can't believe is that most people hated this movie in the theater, and now all of a sydden they MUST have it on DVD? Why? It will suck just as much on DVD. If you just want to see the extra stuff I'd recommend renting it.
 
Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 06-24-2001, 06:36 PM:
 
Greg, it could be just another case of instant kharma. Luca$ was the first (to my knowledge) to say no to projectionists screening his films before showing them and back it up with threats. For a person making films that are purportedly against an "evil empire" his tactics have sure been a lot more congruent with that empire than his protagonist rebels. Lucas was mentored by Joseph Campbell as his Obi Wan, yet he appears to have a lot in common with the character in his movie that was seduced to the dark side, rather than Luke.

Besides, anyone who put a Jar Jar into a landmark sci-fi series like S.W. ought to be forced to watch a prequel to GWTW with Abbott and Costello as main characters. He dumbed down his prequel to fit the current demographics of moviegoers rather than remaining true to any vision he might have had. I'm not surprised his fans are cruel.

I've written him off as a meaningful creator. I don't much care what he has on DVD now or in the future. Lost in time... Lost in space.



 


Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 06-24-2001, 07:34 PM:
 
I could care less about this flick, but Im one of the ones waiting for the Indiana Jones trilogy, wonder what's holding those back? I happen to think alot of the complains for Ep. 1 dvd are a little unfounded, since I remember reading the McCallum's comments about how they were originally going to release all 6 flicks when done, in "super duper" versions, with unlimited extras, etc etc. But then then everyone started whining about having to wait 5 years or however long its going to be till ep. 3 is done, so they were probably forced to put a shortened version of what they originally wanted to do.
 
Posted by Greg Anderson (Member # 235) on 06-24-2001, 08:00 PM:
 
Even your comments don't make complete sense to me, Jerry. If Lucas has somehow fallen from grace and is nothing more than a has-been director, then let him go. Why spend so much effort to denounce him? He financed Episode One with his own money and, unfortunately for you, he made all that money back. Congratulate yourself if you didn't make a significant contribution to his wealth this time and then move on with your life. Meanwhile, he's putting all that "instant kharma" right into his bank account.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-24-2001, 08:57 PM:
 
Jerry, I specifically remember getting a memo from the studio (signed by Lucas) along with the prints of Episode 1 that said that a projectionist (and only a projectionist) is to screen each print as soon as possible to check for defects before it is shown to an audience. I don't remember any threats about screening it at all.


 


Posted by Jesse Skeen (Member # 586) on 06-24-2001, 11:02 PM:
 
I don't get the people who expect every DVD to have 'extras'- I buy DVDs for the MOVIE- if they put behind-the-scenes stuff on it, great, but if they don't, and it's a movie I like, and it's reasonably priced, I'll buy it anyway! I would've been happy with a DVD of "Episode 1" with JUST the MOVIE on it- those who want the 'extras' could have just waited, but those who didn't could still have the MOVIE! What if every movie shown in theaters had 'extras' at the end of it? I guess nobody'd see those since they're in such a hurry to get out!
 
Posted by Rory Burke (Member # 512) on 06-25-2001, 04:04 AM:
 
Lucas is a money making genious, what ever decision he makes im right there with him.....I would guess that Lucas tried to hold out as long as he could with this whole "intellectual rights" argument vs digital copies of his movies.....but alas...he too has fallen to the great World Wide Pirate Web!! There are so many sites out there where you can download EP1 movie in an .asf file format<windows media player> with perfect digital and audio sound.....im afraid that my guess would be to just put it out there and make the money as it can come. His initial idea to hold out was however brilliant. The irony to this is the EP1 laserdisc that was released in Japan. sure it has japanese subtitles but its still the movie in a perfect digital format in my opinion better in quality to DVD. So what is the real reason the DVD is being released?
Rory
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 06-25-2001, 04:57 AM:
 
quote:
Lost in time... Lost in space.

Also, he has no neck.

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-25-2001, 01:48 PM:
 
LaserDisc is analog. Only the sound is digital. And most of the time they have a backup analog soundtrack as well.
 
Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 06-25-2001, 03:10 PM:
 
LOL! William, you got it. It's just a step to the right, and I won't comment about any pelvic thrust.

Greg, I make it a point never to make complete sense. I have let Lucas go in that I no longer have interest in his upcoming projects. I didn't bring the subject up, but I did feel that exposing an alternate view was important, since you seemed to be saying that the"whining" of fans was unjustified. I think your "move on with your life" comment in response was personal, gratuitous and uncalled for, which was a surprise, given the general positive and professional tone of your posts.

I'm not sure that it is even possible for a large business to be socially responsible anymore. The posterchild for social responsibility, Ben and Jerry's, drove one of their small suppliers to bankruptcy, messed up rainforst crunch's social benificence bigtime, and later sold to one of the mega-corporations.

As for Lucas's bank account and kharma, don't look at me, he indicted himself;

"Mercenary Han tells the Princess that his job is finished:
Han: It is (over) for me sister. Look, I ain't in this for your revolution. I'm not in it for you Princess. I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money.
Princess: You needn't worry about your reward. If money is all that you love, then that's what you'll receive."

An interesting review of a Lucas biography and Lucas is here


Joe, I'm trying to remember the film where screenings were outlawed. It wasn't E1 and it was a while back. "Return of Jedi" maybe?

The whole scenario of someone promoting a "rebel" alliance against the mainstream system, then getting pirated himself is humorous in a way. It reminds me a little of the "Steal This Book" thread, if Hoffman had turned capitalist.

 


Posted by Greg Anderson (Member # 235) on 06-25-2001, 06:33 PM:
 
I must caution you not to infer too much from what I write, Jerry. I don't mean the "move on with your life" as an insult. I just can't completely understand how so many film buffs, in general, feel compelled to spend so much time and energy denouncing George Lucas or Disney or what-have-you. In this case, it really is "only a movie" and, arguably, only a movie which doesn't deserve this much attention... from you or from me!

On a personal note, I watch Steven Spielberg's career through a personal filter which sees him as a formerly great filmmaker who has been a corporate sell-out for the last decade... and who lets his work get over-run by the liberal politics an other idealogical influences of his wealthy, famous friends. He no longer speaks for the common American whom he seduced so successfully in the 1970s and 1980s. Plus, he was the inventor of the "Special Edition with never-before-seen footage." I don't know why he gets a pass while George Lucas takes all the heat.

Months before "Episode One" was in theatres, Lucas screened it for his good friends, including the likes of Ron Howard and Steven Spielberg. And, according to the rumors I heard, Spielberg was the only one brave enough to offer specific suggestions about the film. For all I know, we need to blame Spielberg for what was wrong with Episode One!

Having said that, I don't look forward to Mr. Spielberg's next project and I'm officially commanding myself to move on with my life. But I'm not going to spell his name $teven $pielberg or come up with other clever ways to make fun of him. It's just over between me and Mr. Spielberg. So what?


 


Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 06-26-2001, 09:13 AM:
 
I find discussing different directors to be instructive, and I find that the comments people make about those directors can become a way of understanding not only the directors, but the mindset of the people who make the comments.

I'll agree with you that Speilberg has been over-hyped by the Hollywood advertising and promotion machine. To me, "Saving Private Ryan" was a good film but not great. "Schindler's" was very very good for a commercial film, in part because it was a personal agenda for Speilberg. I think seduction is probably an excellent choice of words to describe his "Jaws" series. "Jaws" was an intentional playing with and manipulation of the vulgar emotions of the audience that made it intensely popular (and in a way cleared the way for the glut of low budget slice and dice films that followed).

Spielberg plays to a particular audience and always has a certain amount of schmaltz and family orientation in his films, so much so that I sometimes consider him the Lester Lanin of the director set. To his credit, he has over the years attempted to tackle increasingly difficult subjects and worked his way from biting swimmers to subjects of merit. How well he has succeeded is open to the interpretation of the individual viewer.

Lucas, in contrast, brought attention to himself by providing the both the first nostalgia film for baby boomers and the first science fiction film of any value in over 14 years. It is hard to imagine that the entire genre of science fiction was ignored after Kubrick's 2001, but it was, and Lucas tapped a huge audience of die-hard sci-fi fans that were well educated and starving for something visual to match what they had read for years. He followed through with Empire, but when reviews weren't as good for Empire as Star Wars, he switched tactics and brought in the teddy bear Ewoks in Return of the Jedi, focusing more on marketing than on vision. His personal product over the years has not appeared to "grow up" in any way, and remains targeted to the younger audience with only token innuendos for adults watching his more recent films. To me, he seems to have bought into the fallacious idea of a "dumbed down" audience for movies.

Most directors find a niche; Tim Burton, Hitchcock, David Lean come immediately to mind as well as Spielberg and Lucas. In this group a creative genius shows from the beginning, but as each made more films he became not only more polished, but more institutionalized.
This worked better for Hitchcock than the others (exception Family Plot), with Lucas arguably towards the low end of the list.

The particular "vision" of each director is what makes him interesting to me. Burton's dark and brooding undercurrents, Hitchcock's sense of hidden terror and obsessiveness, Lean's fantastic visual and timing sense that blows away Kubrick's plodding "art" are all examples. In the beginning of his career, Lucas was an immensely talented and creative person who I believe had a true vision when he made Star Wars, as evidenced by his naming it "Episode IV" from the outset. The nagging question to those who appreciated the original Star Wars was "How much of that vision was just a reworking of the E.E. Doc Smith stories with a better plot line supplied by Joe Campbell, and how much of it was the creativeness and vision of Geo. Lucas?" The issue was important because if Lucas had used Campbell's mythos as a starting point, then developed upon it and gone beyond it he could have been considered THE great visionary of cinema. If there is a place where Lucas fell, that is it, and the height of that fall is tremendous.

Speilberg didn't start out as promising, but has increasingly exposed his inner motivations in his films while Lucas has, if anything, become more hidden or shallow. Obviously, these are personal opinions. Each person interprets film in relation to his own values and life experience.

I must caution you not to infer too much from my use of clever phrases like Luca$. I do a lot of reading; I do a lot of writing. Word play comes easily to me.
 


Posted by Greg Anderson (Member # 235) on 06-26-2001, 05:00 PM:
 
It's interesting to compare Spielberg and Lucas. Each was an ambitious, visionary filmmaker in the early 1970s. Each had early experiences with Universal which set each of them on different creative paths. Spielberg chose to proceed, embracing the Hollywood system, and became the most prominent director/producer in town. Lucas rejected the Hollywood way and became the wealthiest independent filmmaker in history.

These days, the creative drive has, perhaps, been overshadowed by each man's ambition to build his personal empire... one fully intergrated into the Hollywood system and the other reflecting another course. And, perhaps, each man's personal filmmaking projects are too influenced by the people with whom he surrounds himself. Spielberg's films are too influenced by his famous, liberal friends. Lucas' films are too influenced by the people he spends the most time with: His own children and his employees who spend most of their waking hours creating digital animation.

One might also argue that Star Wars was never Science Fiction. It was always Fantasy, aimed at an audience of 11 year-old boys (of whom I was one in 1977). Most of the guys my age were soon weaned on stuff like Alien and now they crave the likes of The Matrix and The Terminator. Meanwhile, Star Wars is still aimed at children.

I also find it strange the much of what we see on "The Sci-Fi Channel" is horror. Granted, most Sci-Fi fans like horror just as much. I don't.


 


Posted by Jerry Chase (Member # 660) on 06-27-2001, 12:46 PM:
 
Many "science fiction" stories do not meet the requirement of requiring an uninvented object or device to make the plot work, and fantasy does blur the boundries of science fiction. Horror is often classified with or near science fiction, but the two could not be further apart, other than both requiring some sort of special effects.

Science fiction can be a devastating way to outflank the mind's defensiveness against new or different ideas. One of the current subjects sci-fi authors are tackling is the nature of individual existence, using the ideas of the Star Trek transporter and cloning as jumping off spots. Cutting edge social commentary and philosophical discussion are often the fodder for true sci-fi stories.

Fantasy and alternate world stories can be little more than escapism, but when handled well epics like the Dorsai series can be formed. So much depends on the author.

Another genera is the "world story" or universal story that seems to be found in some form within multiple cultures. Creation myths, Arthurian legend, good overcoming evil, and many simple stories seem to have a life of their own. Saying that world stories are aimed at pubescent boys is a stretch, although there are elements that do appeal to a boy of that age and development.

It has been regularly argued that STAR WARS is accessing the `world story' because of the Japanese influence on it.

From the web...


"As a man `steeped' in movie lore, Lucas is at least passingly familiar with the works of possibly the greatest film director in Japan, Akira Kurosawa. Kurosawa's movies, particularly his historical samurai adventure epics, have provided inspiration for several later productions. The most famous instance would be his full length "The Seven Samurai" and its hollywood clone "The Magnificent Seven".

A less well known Kurosawa adventure, starring Toshiro Mifune, is "The Hidden Fortress". A great general (Mifune) is lost in the badlands after a terrible battle. He finds and rescues a princess, struggling his way back through enemy territory, fighting a mighty duel with the enemy commander. They also strive to save a vast treasure of gold from falling into enemy hands. The entire story is seen through the eyes of two lovable rouge peasants, who are unwilling accomplices in the rescue.

It has been observed several times by film critics that the basic story of this 1950's movie is the inspiration for the basic plotline of STAR WARS. The Princess is of course Leia. The General is a sort of Kenobi/Solo/Luke combination. The Gold is the DeathStar plans and of course the lovable rougues are the droids.

(sidebar: the plotline is more universal than this implies. Campbell points out the archetypes and embellishments of later stories based on core archetypes is common.)

Conceptual artist Ralph McQuarrie reports that the design for Lord Vader's costume was based upon a Japanes Samurai's armour, as specified by Lucas. A quick browse through the conceptual sketches for the trilogy fims reveals many Japanese design influences. The Rebel and Imperial Guard helmets are a sort of cross between a Japanese ashigaru helmet and a medieval German Salet.

Some early versions for the script call for main characters to be asian in appearance. At one stage, it is said, Lucas considered an entirely Japanese cast!

Far deeper resonances of Samurai influence are found in the Jedi.

The lightsabre, is style, use stance, grip and techniques is essentially Japanese. The weapon is clearly based upon the katana of the samurai. Even the respect with which the Jedi treats his weapon is in keeping with this tradition.

Obi means belt, a ken-obi is a sword belt! (in `pigeon' Japanese at least!)

`Yoda' is a Japanese surname!

The Force, as it is demonstrated in the movies, is nearer to a form of Zen mysticism than a set of fancy psychic powers. Despite a genetic predispisition in the Skywalker clan, the impression is that virtually anyone can `tap' into this force, by a form of meditative higher-consciousness indistinguishable from the Zen principles of Japanese martial arts. "

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Lucas also had to have been exposed to the teachings of Alan Watts, the great populizer of Bhuddism in California.

I could go on about the reasons why SW is more than a kid's film, but it does take different glasses to see the under-the-surface stuff, and it can get tedious dissecting it.

Your assessment of both Lucas and Speilberg suffering from ambiton over creative drive is probably all too true. Creativity often resides in the homes of the starving artists and flees when well fed.

As a side note, I don't care for horror or gore films either, and tend to view horror as a form of pornography.



 


Posted by Michael Gonzalez (Member # 593) on 06-27-2001, 08:26 PM:
 
Getting somewhat back on topic... I am very curious to hear what he has to say during the director's commentary espically when Jar Jar appears for the first time. I haven't heard a single interview where he has commented on the almost universal dislike of this character. Hell I didn't hear him say anything when Spike Lee was accusing him of racism for the Jar Jar character. So it would be intresting to hear if he even acknowledge any of it. It's almost funny because of all the behind the scenes specials that came out before EP:1, he seem so proud of Jar Jar.

Now going back off topic... Has anybody heard of the new cut of EP:1 that some fan made up and posted it online? I would like to see a copy of that.
 


Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 06-28-2001, 01:58 AM:
 
Yeah, there was some posts on another thread (I think) about this. Check the Yak section and you should find it.
 
Posted by Jesse Skeen (Member # 586) on 06-28-2001, 04:56 PM:
 
One thing I am looking forward to is the Spanish and French (Canadian, presumably) dubbed soundtracks- I'll get it just to hear Jar Jar speaking French.
 
Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 07-15-2005, 03:54 PM:
 

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