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Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 05-23-2003, 02:05 PM:
 
Apparently a DVD release is in the works.
Toon Zone Forum link
 
Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 05-23-2003, 03:03 PM:
 
Hi Paul,

That is wonderful news! I had several laserdiscs box sets of Warner Brothers cartoons and I thought they looked pretty good.
All Warner Brothers color cartoons and feature films in the forties were in Technicolor using the three strip dye transfer process so the DVDs made from them should look awesome.

-Claude
 
Posted by Michael Gonzalez (Member # 593) on 05-23-2003, 04:03 PM:
 
I wonder how they are going to go about releasing them? Are they going to relese them in order almost like a season one, season two, etc.? Are they going to do in a collection basis group by characters or themes? Are they going to relese the banned episodes (there are many from WWII that I haven't been able to see)? It will be interesting to say the least. I know that I am pretty much going to buy each and every one as they come out.
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 05-23-2003, 06:59 PM:
 
I liked the way the LT's were organized when they came out on LD, so hopefully the DVD releases will follow a similar pattern. One LD release consisted of five box sets (!) and was an attempt at a comprehensive package--virtually every pre-1948 title that could be released.

There was a second series of single-disc LD releases of post-1948 titles that were organized by featured characters or themes. Each disc was a "selected highlights" compilation for a character (or a pair of characters), with one disc Assorted Nuts being a collection of LT's that featured the other second-tier WB "contract players." [Smile] This is the series that I have in my collection. My favorite: Curtain Calls which contained the various opera and vaudeville sendups perpetrated by the Termite Terrace gang.

All of the LT titles are once again under one roof via AOL Time Warner, so production dates shouldn't matter any more.

In Japan WB has already released three R2 DVDs all featuring Tweety--apparently Japan's favorite LT character (supposedly because he looks a lot like an SD or CB-mode anime character!). The film transfers on these discs are flawless--hopefully the eventual R1 DVDs will look just as good.
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 05-25-2003, 12:47 PM:
 
I'd much rather see them in theatres [Big Grin] !
Mark
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 05-25-2003, 12:59 PM:
 
Now wouldn't that be something? [Big Grin]

Hmmm. Re-release some of the best of the LT's to theaters as a celebration and promotion (since they're plugging DVD releases in rolling stock nowadays anyways, why not plug something worth plugging?). Nah, never work (i.e. make money)...
 
Posted by Ken Layton (Member # 133) on 05-26-2003, 11:48 PM:
 
Yes, I agree with Mark. These belong in theaters and UNCUT. Jerry Beck's website reports that WB has also started to restore the two reel Max Fleischer Popeye Technicolor specials. The first is Popeye Meets Sinbad.
 
Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 05-27-2003, 08:46 AM:
 
I agree! Run them in the theatre!

When Turner got the rights, his people got to handle some IB 35mm prints that had not been touched since 1958-59. A few of the prints were on Eastman stock, and are faded. The AAP logos on the heads were all Eastmancolor.

Wouldn't you like to KICK the person that added the AAP logos to the 35mm prints? He cut into the sound on almost EVERY one!

I've got a 16mm print of "Streamlined Greta Green" (1936) that has almost a full second of sound before the AAP cut. It's on Ansco stock and still looks nice, except for the greenish tinge. I 'restored' it properly by removing the logo.

I sure hope that the person that cut the IB's doesent have relatives here. Just my luck! [Smile]
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 07-23-2003, 03:27 PM:
 
The title list for The Looney Tunes Golden Collection 4-disc DVD compilation set (apparently discs Three and Four are identical to another DVD compilation The Looney Tunes Premier Collection):

Disc One (Bugs Bunny)
1. Baseball Bugs
2. Rabbit Seasoning
3. Long-Haired Hare
4. High Diving Hare
5. Bully for Bugs
6. What's Up Doc?
7. Rabbit's Kin
8. Water, Water Every Hare
9. Big House Bunny
10. Big Top Bunny
11. My Bunny Lies Over the Sea
12. Wabbit Twouble
13. Ballot Box Bunny
14. Rabbit of Seville

Disc Two (Daffy & Porky)
1. Duck Amuck
2. Dough for the Do-Do
3. Drip-Along Daffy
4. Scaredy Cat
5. The Ducksters
6. The Scarlet Pumpernickel
7. Yankee Doodle Daffy
8. Porky Chops
9. Wearing of the Grin
10. Deduce, You Say
11. Boobs in the Woods
12. Golden Yeggs
13. Rabbit Fire
14. Duck Dodgers in the 24 1/2 Century

Disc Three (All Stars)
1. Elmer's Candid Camera
2. Bugs Bunny and the 3 Bears
3. Fast and Furry-ous
4. Hair-Raising Hare
5. The Awful Orphan
6. Haredevil Hair
7. For Scent-imental Reasons
8. Frigid Hare
9. The Hypo-condricat
10. Baton Bunny
11. Feed the Kitty
12. Don't Give Up the Sheep
13. Bugs Bunny Gets the Boid
14. Tortoise Wins by a Hare

Disc Four (All Stars)
1. Canary Row
2. Bunker Hill Bunny
3. Kit for Cat
4. Putty Tat Twouble
5. Bugs and Thugs
6. Canned Feud
7. Lumber Jerks
8. Speedy Gonzales
9. Tweety's S.O.S.
10. The Foghorn Leghorn
11. Daffy Duck Hunt
12. Early to Bet
13. Broken Leghorn
14. Devil May Hare
 
Posted by Michael Gonzalez (Member # 593) on 07-23-2003, 03:48 PM:
 
Release Date? Price?
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 07-23-2003, 05:46 PM:
 
Heh heh, sorry! [Embarrassed]

Release Date: October 28, 2003
MSRP: The Looney Tunes Golden Collection $64.92
MSRP: The Looney Tunes Premiere Collection $26.99
 
Posted by Peter Kerchinsky (Member # 1098) on 07-23-2003, 09:14 PM:
 
I'm in line already to buy my set.
This is great news.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-23-2003, 10:12 PM:
 
I'll be buying this too, but why can't they realize the full potential of the DVD and quit screwing around with so many disks? 14 toons = just over 90 minutes per disk. They could easily have put this set on 2 disks.

AND, I would love to see a nice box-set of each character, not these mish-mashes. Where's a 10-disk set of Bugs Bunny?

This isn't the worst though...I saw a FIVE-DISK set of the Andy Griffith show that has (get ready) just TWO episodes per disk. Pretty funny when you can buy a "full season" of some shows on 3 disks.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-02-2003, 04:14 PM:
 
More on this:

WB is also releasing a DVD of "Space Jam" which includes the film in widescreen for the first time, a short "Jammin' with Michael Jordan" and best of all, an hour of classic LT shorts not available on the other collections.

Other items being released include "Reality Check" and "Stranger than Fiction," both containing new material based on current events and popular culture.

All of the disks except the above-mentioned "Golden Collection" will feature game content as well as the toons. The "Reality" and "Stranger" DVDs will feature outtakes, character "interviews" and parody commercials.

And more good news: Dorinda Marticorena, Warner Home Video executive kids' marketing director, says that the Looney Tunes library "is the pillar of our collectible animation library, and we are looking to continue to grow the brand in 2004 and beyond."

So it looks like that's NOT all, folks! [Smile]
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 08-02-2003, 04:58 PM:
 
Where are the Wile E. Coyote / Roadrunner cartoons? Would they fall under the "Merry Melodies" shorts or a "Chuck Jones Collection"?
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-02-2003, 05:50 PM:
 
I'm with you. There should be a Road Runner collection. It could be called "Wile E. Coyote's Greatest HITS." [Big Grin] I'm major-bummed that there's only one RR film on the track list, and it's the oft-released "Fast and Furry-ous."

All but a couple of the Classic RR cartoons were directed by Chuck Jones. I don't think there was a distinction between Merrie Melodies and Looney Tunes except for the theme music.

LT = Merrily we Roll Along
MM = The Merry-go-round Broke Down

There's just nothing like the sound of the Warner Bros. cartoon music! [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Steve Anderson (Member # 364) on 08-07-2003, 04:52 PM:
 
Also these extras are on the discs:
~Disc #1:
14 remastered Bugs Bunny cartoons including:
• a special opening greeting from Chuck Jones;
• Audio track commentaries on these cartoons:
RABBIT SEASONING (Mike Barrier & audio from his rare interviews with animators), LONG HAIRED HARE (Mike Barrier), HIGH DIVING HARE (Greg Ford), BULLY FOR BUGS (Mike Barrier), WHAT'S UP DOC? (Greg Ford), RABBIT'S KIN (Stan Freberg), BIG TOP BUNNY (Mike Barrier), WABBIT TWOUBLE (Mike Barrier);
• separate music tracks for RABBIT SEASONING, WHAT'S UP DOC? and RABBIT'S KIN
• Featurettes on Bugs Bunny, Yosemite Sam, and Elmer Fudd with exclusive interviews;
• THE BOYS FROM TERMITE TERRACE part 1 (rare John Canemaker documentary);
• animated sequences from MY DREAM IS YOURS and TWO GUYS FROM TEXAS
• THE BUGS BUNNY SHOW bonus materials: Bridging sequences from episode #1648 "A Star Is Bored"; Mel Blanc recording session from episode #1639 "The Astro-Nuts"
• Bonus shorts:
FIFTY YEARS OF BUGS BUNNY IN 3 1/2 MINUTES (1989 short)
BLOOPER BUNNY (1991) with commentary by Greg Ford
• A gallery including Lobby Cards, photgraphs, music cue sheets and original dialogue transcripts.
•Trailers from 1950s theatrical compilation shows: BUGS BUNNY'S CARTOON FESTIVAL and BUGS BUNNY'S CARTOON JAMBOREE

~Disc #2:
14 remastered Porky and Daffy cartoons, including
• Audio track commentaries on DUCK AMUCK, DRIP-ALONG DAFFY, THE SCARLET PUMPERNICKLE, WEARING OF THE GRIN, and DUCK DODGERS by Mike Barrier using his exclusive interview audio with classic animators.
• Separate music tracks for DUCK AMUCK, DRIP-ALONG DAFFY,THE SCARLET PUMPERNICKLE and RABBIT FIRE.
• Bonus featurettes on MARVIN MARTIAN, Porky Pig, and DAFFY DUCK
• THE BOYS FROM TERMITE TERRACE part 2
• A gallery including Lobby Cards, photgraphs, music cue sheets and original dialogue transcripts.

~Disc #3:
Premiere Collection Vol. 1 includes 14 remastered Looney Tunes, including
• Audio track commentaries compiled by Michael Barrier for FAST & FURRY-OUS, HAIR RAISING HARE, HAREDEVIL HARE, FOR SCENT-I-MENTAL REASONS and BUGS BUNNY GETS THE BOID; FEED THE KITTY (commentary by Greg Ford), BUGS BUNNY AND THE THREE BEARS (Commentary by Stan Freberg).
• Separate music tracks for BATON BUNNY and FEED THE KITTY
• Featurettes on the ROAD RUNNER, MEL BLANC and CARL STALLING
• TOONHEADS: THE LOST CARTOONS
• Original storyboards for HAIR RAISING HARE and THE HYPO-CHRONDRI-CAT
• A gallery including Lobby Cards, photgraphs, music cue sheets and original dialogue transcripts.

~Disc #4:
Premiere Collection Vol. 2 includes 14 remastered Looney Tunes including:
• Audio track commentaries compiled by Michael Barrier for TWEETY'S S.O.S. and THE FOGHORN LEGHORN and commentaries by Jerry Beck on CANARY ROW, DEVIL MAY HARE, CANNED FEUD and SPEEDY GONZALES
• Separate music tracks for PUTTY TAT TWOUBLE, BROKEN LEGHORN, and SPEEDY GONZALES.
• Featurettes on SPEEDY GONZALES, FRIZ FRELENG AND TWEETY & SYLVESTER, and ROBERT McKIMSON AND FOGHORN LEGHORN.
• Bonus all-new 50 minute documentary "Irreverent Imagination: The Golden Age Of Looney Tunes" narrated by Stan Freberg.
• The complete "BOSKO THE TALK-INK KID" pilot
• Virgil Ross pencil tests
• A gallery including Lobby Cards, photgraphs, music cue sheets and original dialogue transcripts.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-15-2003, 06:17 PM:
 
I wonder if they are going to include the Porky Pig "outtake" where he smacks his finger with a hammer and then says "Son of a bi -son of a bi -- son of a GUN!" and then looks at the camera and says "I'll bet you thought I was gonna say son of a BITCH."

Going over the list again, I notice they have left out some of the very important toons:

- "What's Opera Doc?" -- probably the most highly acclaimed Chuck Jones film of all

- "Knighty Knight Bugs" -- his only Oscar-winning film

- "One Froggy Evening," another highly-acclaimed film and the only appearance of Michigan J. Frog

- They totally ignored the Bugs Bunny/Marvin the Martian toons.

- And they included only two-thirds of the Bugs/Daffy/Elmer hunting series. (Why not the whole trilogy?)

So I think it's safe to say that more compilations will be forthcoming....they just GOTTA be!
 
Posted by Martin Brooks (Member # 1269) on 08-28-2003, 12:08 AM:
 
For those of you who love cartoon music, here are some great audio discs:
The Carl Stalling Project: Music from Warner Bros. Cartoons 1936-1958 (Warner Bros. 0 7599-26027-2 3).

The Carl Stalling Project Vol. 2: More Music from Warner Bros. Cartoons 1939-1957. Warner Bros.

The Music of Raymond Scott: Reckless Nights and Turkish Twilights (Columbia Legacy CK 65672)

That's All Folks: Cartoon Songs from Merry Melodies and Looney Tunes (Rhino 74271) 2 CDs
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 08-28-2003, 06:42 AM:
 
quote:
I wonder if they are going to include the Porky Pig "outtake" where he smacks his finger with a hammer and then says "Son of a bi -son of a bi -- son of a GUN!" and then looks at the camera and says "I'll bet you thought I was gonna say son of a BITCH."
That's from one of the Private Snafu cartoons that WB did for the military during WWII. It was popular on "Blooper reel" compilations that ran as whole shows back in the 80s or so.
 
Posted by Bill Gabel (Member # 1105) on 10-17-2003, 02:39 PM:
 
I got in the Looney Tunes Golden Collection. It has so many extras on these discs. WOW [Eek!] They look fantastic.

There is a video store in the East Village that has the non-PC cartoons like "Tom & Jerry" and others of that era.
 
Posted by Robb Johnston (Member # 239) on 10-17-2003, 09:46 PM:
 
As to the question of putting the shorts in front of films again, they will be, sorta.

Last July at Comic Con International in San Diego WB announced that they were in production on a whole new series of Looney tunes that will run in front of their films next year.

They ran one, I forget the title but it was a Tweety and Sylvester in a Museum short. It was a riot.

Voices and animation were good, but I think the animation was done on a computer the way that Simpsons is anymore. I could be wrong though.
 
Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 10-18-2003, 08:06 AM:
 
I hope the cartoons look better then the ones on the Warner Classics Sets (Yankee Doodle Dandy, Robin Hood, etc.) They look just awful, with severe ringing around the edges and weak color. The features look great, but the cartoons are very disappointing.
 
Posted by Bruce McGee (Member # 131) on 10-18-2003, 06:31 PM:
 
In reference to including a WB cartoon as part of the show:

EVERY TIME I have been to a show where one was run, as soon as the circles began to form, and the WB shield comes out, the audience applauds and gets loud! Warners has about 1000 LT and MM cartoons. Air the things and run them! There are LOTS of us out here that prefer to see things like this on a big screen!!!
 
Posted by Michael Gonzalez (Member # 593) on 10-18-2003, 07:25 PM:
 
I think that it would be pretty useful to the theaters as well especially if they are shown inbetween the commercials. It might make the audience less angry about having to sit through them (commercials) anyway.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-19-2003, 01:49 PM:
 
Bill, how did you get the box set already when it doesn't release until 10/28? Or did they move up the date? [Confused]
 
Posted by Bill Gabel (Member # 1105) on 10-20-2003, 08:36 AM:
 
Mike

I got mine from the Warner, last week. We do a lot of work for Warner/New Line. A friend sent over a boxset, because I'm a big Looney Tunes Fan. They are Great [thumbsup] to see again.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-20-2003, 10:13 AM:
 
Well I am jealous! Looking forward to getting mine next week. [Smile]
 
Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 10-23-2003, 07:47 AM:
 
quote:
There is a video store in the East Village that has the non-PC cartoons like "Tom & Jerry" and others of that era.
There were quite a few non-PC Looney Tunes, too; not least Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarves and Tokio Jokio, in which Porky Pig takes on General Yamamoto, if memory serves me correctly. The archivist Dennis Nyback distributed a compilation on 16mm called The Bad Bugs Bunny Show which I saw back in the late '90s. I'd give an arm and a leg to have videos of some of that stuff.
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 12-07-2003, 12:17 PM:
 
Actually, Porky doesn't make an appearance in Tokio Jokio though Admiral Yamamoto does. [Smile] Obviously, due to PC sensitivities distribution of this title has been suppressed but you can see it here:

http://www.authentichistory.com/images/ww2/toons/Tokio_Jokio.html

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Here's the MSN Slate review for The Looney Tunes Golden Collection DVD set, emphasizing Carl Stalling's musical contributions:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2092021/

The Mickey Mouse Genius
The brilliant composer behind Looney Tunes, now on DVD.
By August Kleinzahler
Posted Friday, Dec. 5, 2003, at 10:18 AM PT

The singular advantage of growing up in the 1950s was being able to watch Looney Toons on television. But the children of today need no longer feel culturally deprived. Now, with the release of The Looney Tunes Golden Collection, a selection of classic Looney Tunes, kiddies everywhere, by merely pressing a button, may gain entry into a veritable Age of Pericles—cartoonwise, that is.

But it's not just the animation of the cartoons that's so good. It's the man who composed their music. You probably have never heard of him, and if you go looking for his name in the compendia of music—whether jazz, classical, popular—you'll be unlikely to find him. He is, however, an authentic American genius, an original; if you were to hear even a few bars of any of his musical compositions you would recognize the source immediately.

His name is Carl Stalling. And from 1936, when he hooked up with Warner Bros., until his retirement in 1958, he wrote the musical scores for 600 cartoons. As the musicmaker of Merrie Melodies and Looney Toons, Stalling is as important, in his way, as Ives, Copland, Cage, Partch, and Ellington; his most notable compositions include "Putty Tat Trouble," "Porky's Poultry Plant," "Speedy Gonzales Meets Two Crows From Tacos," "To Itch His Own," and hundreds more.

Walt Disney discovered Stalling in the early '20s at Kansas City's Isis Theater, where Stalling was conducting his own orchestra and improvising on the organ to silent movies. Stalling would have been in his early 30s then. Born in Lexington, Mo., he saw The Great Train Robbery projected in a tent when he was 5. From that point on, he was hooked on motion pictures. By the time he was 13, he had become resident pianist at the primitive local movie house where he played during reel changes.

Disney had Stalling score two animated shorts for a new character named Mickey Mouse. When Disney set up his studio in Hollywood, he brought Stalling along with him. Stalling invented cartoon scoring, which included a "tick" system, whereby individual members of the orchestra were provided with earphones through which they heard a steady beat and, on one occasion, the voice of Mickey, and which allowed them to synchronize the music more precisely to the action.

Stalling's detractors sometimes call what he invented "musical mickey-mousing"—that is, merely a description of visual events. But he had many admirers, not least the formidable avant-gardist John Zorn:

quote:
In following the visual logic of screen action rather than the traditional rules of musical form (development, theme, variation, etc.), Stalling created a radical compositional arc unprecedented in the history of music. … All the basic musical elements are there—but they are broken into shards, a constantly changing kaleidoscope of styles, forms, melodies, quotations. …
In a sense, then, Carl Stalling was, among the first of the postmodernists—if not the first. His compositions are wildly disjunctive, incorporating tempo shifts, mixed genres (folk motifs, classical, jazz, nursery rhymes), sound effects, speed of transition. He characteristically moves from a stormy, dissonant section to a flute solo, maybe throwing in a quotation from a jazz standard or Rimsky-Korsakov's "Flight of the Bumblebee." He was very fond (some might say too fond) of quoting from bandleader, pianist, and composer Raymond Scott, who recorded some notable novelty pieces with a studio quintet between 1936 and 1938—tunes like "Dinner Music for a Pack of Hungry Cannibals," a Stalling favorite. But Stalling was nothing if not voracious and democratic in his cribbing when it suited the action. For instance, Mendelsohn's "Fingal's Cave" made a good match with the Mynah Bird's walk in Chuck Jones' "Inki" cartoons.

Even with all the quotations from Scott, classical music, and so forth, some 80 percent to 90 percent of the material was original; it had to be specifically matched to the action. Stalling had a 60-piece orchestra to work with at Warner Bros., and by all accounts the musicians looked forward to the sessions, especially between Bette Davis and Bogart melodramas. Stalling would write the piano parts of the score—the skeleton—and include the cues he wanted and special notations with regard to instrumentation. He was blessed with a brilliant arranger in Milt Franklin and an equally brilliant sound-effects man in Treg Brown, something of a comic genius in his own right—excellent with breaking glass, etc.

When Stalling died in 1974, at the age of 86, the fizz had long gone out of American animation with the televised cartoon. Stalling attributed it to the ascendancy of dialogue over music. But the conventions of the medium had hardened while at the same time the product had become more diluted. The market, not the artist, determined what was produced. That tendency has not abated. But every medium or genre has its heyday, be it the musical comedy, dance, the horror movie, or painted still life. These moments depend on cultural and economic forces, accident, a serendipitous conjunction of geniuses—like that when Disney first found Stalling at the Isis Theater. In short order, Mickey Mouse was the king of cartoons, Disney Hollywood royalty, and Stalling, who had picked out tunes on a broken toy piano as a child, was providing the wackiest soundtrack any child or grown-up dared imagine. The lid was off American animation and would stay off for a good long while.

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August Kleinzahler is a poet and the author, most recently, of The Strange Hours Travellers Keep.

[ 12-08-2003, 12:59 AM: Message edited by: Paul Mayer ]
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 12-10-2003, 02:17 AM:
 
I wish I hadn't bought this DVD set. The images have been sharpened, saturated, noise-reduced, & the result is that cel dust has become a HUGE, distracting problem. Try dialog humor with busy crap going on upstage of the speaker, it bombs.

Originally, they weren't supposed to look like that, they didn't look like that, & they shouldn't have been altered to look like that. The supplementary material is really not so hot, especially the commentaries. Some cartoons have music-only audio tracks, which is neat, but they're not even the titles that have the best or most interesting scores! Keep the laserdiscs & videotapes; they are still the best home video versions of the WB cartoons.
 
Posted by Steve Anderson (Member # 364) on 01-01-2004, 09:18 AM:
 
I am glad I have all my laser disc's of these classics.
I also noticed the little specks of dirt that would travel up the screen. So why didn't they clean that up too?
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 01-06-2004, 12:34 AM:
 
My theory is that they are in large part a result of the image cleanup.
After they've processed the image to remove specks & other transients, they removed the areas of each splotch which earlier "faded" into the surrounding picture. Then, with just a clot left, they sharpened the hell out of it. That created thee nice, amorphous, but visually defined sci-fi things walking up the walls in the picture.
 
Posted by Daniel Wright (Member # 1983) on 01-07-2004, 07:20 PM:
 
although you can get them from Kazaa or any other P2P network, I would still like to see the so called banned Looney Tunes released on DVD. I can not being to show some of the WW2 stuff out of context,but completely burying it is not right either.
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 01-07-2004, 11:47 PM:
 
I'm not seeing what William Hooper is talking about. Maybe I don't know what I'm looking for.

I'd appreciate having the name of a specific short and also a scene reference where I can clearly see what is being discussed.
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 01-09-2004, 08:35 PM:
 
Okay, I've seen some of this stuff that y'all are talking about in "Baseball Bugs" and "High Diving Hare." It's hard to miss in those.

I agree -- They ought to have done a little bit of cleanup. Were these truly marketed as "remastered" ? (Goes to check.)

What are the odds that film grain would have disguised these imperfections back in the day?
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-12-2004, 09:59 PM:
 
Warners is releasing ANOTHER 4-disk collection of Looney Tunes on Nov. 2. Title is "Looney Tunes Golden Collection Volume 2." They have filled pretty much all of the gaps I griped about earlier in this thread. Now if only they did a better job remastering on this one. (And I still won't be completely happy until they put out "Captain Hareblower.")

Here is info from amazon.com:

60 classic cartoons restored, remastered, and uncut

30 commentary tracks

2 documentaries

9 behind the scene featurettes

Music-only tracks, audio sessions, TV tribute shows, rareties, a new 2004 cartoon, "Daffy Duck for President" and more

1 (Bugs Bunny) - The Big Snooze; Broomstick Bunny; Bugs Bunny Rides Again; Bunny Hugged; French Rabbit; Gorilla My Dreams; The Hare-Brained Hypnotist; Hare Conditioned; The Heckling Hare; Little Red Riding Rabbit; Tortoise Beats Hare; Rabbit Transit; Slick Hare; Baby Buggy Bunny; Hyde and Hare

2 (Road Runner/Tweety) - Beep Beep; Going Going Gosh; Zipping Along; Stop Look and Hasten; Ready Set Zoom; Guided Muscle; Gee Whiz-z-z-z; There They Go-Go-Go; Scarambled Aches; Zoom and Bored; Whoa Be Gone; Cheese Chasers; The Dover Boys; Mouse Wreckers; Bear for Punishment

3 (Road Runner/Tweety) - Bad Ol' Putty Tat; All Abir-r-r-d; Room and Bird; Tweet Tweet Tweety; Gift Wrapped; Ain't She Tweet; A Bird in a Guilty Cage; Snow Business; Tweety Pie; Kitty Kornered; Baby Bottleneck; Old Glory; The Great Piggy Bank Robbery; Duck Soup to Nuts; Porky in Wackyland (B/W)

4 (All-Star Cavalcade of Hollywood Parodies) - Back Alley Oproar; Book Revue; Corny Concerto; Have You Got Any Castles; Hollywood Steps Out; I Love to Singa; Katnip Kollege; The Hep Cat; Three Little Bops; One Froggy Evening; Rhapsody Rabbit; Show Biz Bugs; Stage Door Cartoon; What's Opera Doc; You Ought To Be in Pictures
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 10-12-2004, 11:13 PM:
 
"Cheese Chasers"... Holy ShReally?! [thumbsup] [beer]

My absolute favorite LT that doesn't have any of the major LT players in it. The dog's punch line is a classic, "It just don't add up!"

I still haven't picked up the first Golden Age set dammit. Now I don't care if I'm eating ketchup soup for the rest of the year, I'm getting these. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 10-13-2004, 02:05 AM:
 
quote: Mike Blakesley
4 (All-Star Cavalcade of Hollywood Parodies) - Back Alley Oproar; Book Revue; Corny Concerto; Have You Got Any Castles; Hollywood Steps Out; I Love to Singa; Katnip Kollege; The Hep Cat; Three Little Bops; One Froggy Evening; Rhapsody Rabbit; Show Biz Bugs; Stage Door Cartoon; What's Opera Doc; You Ought To Be in Pictures
What a FEAST of WB cartoon musicals! Friz Freleng is da KING! What's Opera Doc is genius, but all those others of Freleng's, woo boy...and the finish of Back Alley Oproar! I wish they'd included A Hare Grows in Manhattan! Since they've got Rhapsody Rabbit on this one, I guess Rhapsody in Rivets will have to wait, shoot.

quote:
Gorilla My Dreams [...] Tortoise Beats Hare
Clampett's & McKimson's Bugs Bunny cartoons are so tangy!

quote: Mike Blakesley
The Dover Boys
Always consult the handbook.

quote: Mike Blakesley
Mouse Wreckers
I love these guys. They do Awful Nice Work in this one.

It's gruesomely deficient in Foghorn Leghorn cartoons. It's just so pleasant to watch Foghorn Leghorn cheerfully tormenting that dog.

I hope WB is cooking up a black & white collection for release soon. You Ought to Be In Pictures can hold its own with any color, 3D, 70mm or Cinerama thing you put it up against.

I'm counting this DVD set bought already & the money gone!
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-13-2004, 02:23 AM:
 
They still haven't included "Knighty Knight Bugs" (his only Oscar-winning film) so I will bet on a third box in the future.

At least this time there is a veritable feast of Road Runner pictures, along with a great selection of Tweety & Sylvester.

Life is good!
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 10-13-2004, 02:40 AM:
 
Open that drawbridge! Open it! Open it up, I say!
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 10-13-2004, 08:05 AM:
 
Gotta love the displaced brick gags.

"Dragons is soooooooo stupid." [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Ron Yost (Member # 1850) on 10-13-2004, 03:08 PM:
 
Perhaps this time the 'play list' will actually correspond to the order of the cartoons on the DVD's .. unlike that provided for the L.T. Premiere Collection. [Confused] [Mad]

Ron Yost
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-13-2004, 03:32 PM:
 
What's the one where Bugs and Yosemite Sam are in the desert, and Sam has a camel that won't "whoa" on command?

"When ah say Whoa.....Ahhhhhh mean WHOA!" (smack)

I don't think they have done the Bugs vs. Sam matchups justice...yet. And I agree, we need more Foghorn Leghorn.
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 10-14-2004, 01:47 AM:
 
quote: Mike Blakesley
What's the one where Bugs and Yosemite Sam are in the desert, and Sam has a camel that won't "whoa" on command?
That's Sahara Hare, which was made a few years earlier by Freleng. It's a good example of how director Freleng & the writers would do or see something like a gag, piece of timing, storyline, or character, & then pieces of it would clank around in his mind as he'd work new & usually tighter implementations. The Sam/Camel thing was really good, stuck in his mind, & ground away some more useful implementations of it. It came back with new & improved stuff as an ancillary with the dragon in Knighty Knight Bugs.

Back Alley Oproar is a highly-tweaked remake of a much earlier cartoon that Freleng did with Porky Pig instead of Elmer Fudd. Overall, Back Alley Oproar is better, but I like better the way the finish was done in the earlier cartoon. It made my hair stand up the first time I saw it. The two cartoons really show Freleng teching his humor - the later one's got all the new & more effective techniques for timing, pacing, etc. he's learned; he's tweaked it by putting the more effectively, slightly more aggressive Fudd in there (but not Yosemite Sam, who'd be too aggressive & intelligent to let the gags play out satisfactorily). Freleng often said that Yosemite Sam was actually created to satisfy a need for heightened, more believable conflict dramatically with Bugs Bunny - Elmer was just a noodle. Lots of things work for Elmer, but you get more intensity & better situations involving Yosemite Sam.

If you run a bunch of WB cartoons, there's an effect that after a number of Chuck Jones cartoons run, the subsequent ones aren't as effective as if they'd been run in isolation. On the other hand, Freleng's keep up novelty & suspense. Jones had a sort of repertoire of gag timings, & the permutations came with the writing. It's independent of the story pacing.

Freleng timed his gags with greater attention to technical detail & novelty. The chief difference (I think) is that Chuck Jones worked with exposure sheets, but Freleng started with bar sheets (staff paper, like sheet music is written on) for the story & timing, then transferred it to exposure sheets. Freleng had an early technical, personal developmental phase working on the earliest sound cartoons, which were music/song driven, & that phase probably started him working with bar sheets.

Comedy's broadest algorithm is setup/suspense/surprise, & Freleng noted that it's not just that something that is done is surprising, but the moment it is done is a huge tweak of the surprise. He knew the cartoons would be musically scored, watched the rhythm, then set up the gag so it would come in slightly early or late from the setup of the music. Stalling had a huge technical sense of how things got funny, too, & could see how Freleng worked it scoring from the exposure sheets (they probably talked about it broadly some, too), & Stalling could collaborate musically in the setup & surprise.

You can sometimes tell Stalling is punching up some of Chuck Jones gags by having to work *backwards* scoring from where the surprise is, & Stalling shifting the music to punch up a stock Jones gag timing.

Stalling & Freleng were the supreme music/gag/movement team. They collaborated from similar technical knowledge. And not just by exploiting audience reference to rhythm by violating it, but when they worked gags that seamlessly fell right on it, by design.

"Take it, Sam!" One of the most excellent, rewarding, beautiful moments in movie history.

Freleng's strictly musical cartoons are always uniformly the best, too, those that put humor on top of a piece of music. Jones could do brilliant musicals, like Rabbit of Seville & What's Opera Doc, but you see that he had to go all out Belasco & lean on his "art director" & conductor/arranger/orchestra real hard. Freleng could do it with a pit band & in front of a street drop, or even just with one piano playing "Those Endearing Young Charms". Freleng can leave you with the feeling of having seen a big movie without having to smother it with production values.

Freleng said he didn't read music, but he was very musical, so the bar sheet technique from the early sound days not only gave him the analytical & structural tool that he worked so well from, but it allowed him to explore & analyze more closely what was obviously his enormous enjoyment of very meaty & successful short vaudeville acts. It's not hard to see Freleng kicked back at the Orpheum watching Weber & Fields, Gus Visser & His Singing Duck, The Nicholas Brothers, or any of that wide, weird expanse of highly effective short entertainments parading by, & just laughing his head off & eating it up. Then later, going to work & busting technique on the bar sheets. The displaced bricks is pretty stage-y when you think about it, very offstage voice or crash.

If you ever get a chance to see a collection of Vitaphone shorts made of popular vaudeville acts, don't miss it. Some's a little corny & dated, but it's effective entertainment still: the established acts hit the nail whenever they want & the variety is huge.

If you read music, which Freleng didn't beyond tempos, time signatures & beats per measure, & have some technical knowledge of staging & timing, it's mind-blowing to look at some of Freleng's bar sheets where he laid out cartoons. Life & movement seen through an orchestra score, & an orchestra score looking at life. And a huge, sharp brain putting it all together on paper.
 
Posted by Patrick J. McCart (Member # 1043) on 10-23-2004, 11:10 PM:
 
One reason why the older cartoons (pre-1953) have more visible cel dust is likely due to the way dye-transfer was printed. A 1940's Technicolor print would have softened the image to an extent where the cel dust would blend in.

Now, with the finer grain and detail in modern film stocks, it's all too obvious. I wouldn't go too hard on Warner for making poor transfers, though. Disney's "Walt Disney Treasures" collections of the cartoons from the same era have just as much cel dust.

It's really like criticizing video transfers for having dirty opticals. It's just the way they are.
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 11-09-2004, 01:15 AM:
 
All in all, it's an excellent release!

Two formeost irritants, though:
1. Cheap synthesizer versions of "Merrily We Roll Along" or "Merry Go Round Broke Down" over the Menu screen. What the hell? Didn't the last set have a feature on Carl Stalling where the guys said what set the WB cartoons apart was the full WB orchestra, & that nowadays cartoons just have a synthesizer? And why not just USE the title music from the cartoons? Whose nephew got some bucks for a synthesizer version of them for the DVD?

2. Audio: on some of the cartoons, there's a blatant lack of high freqs & sometimes upper midrange. Sometimes the attenuation moves around the freqs, making me think some frequency-specific gating was used to ameliorate some noise or distortion around those areas that somebody didn't like. They should have just left it. The cartoon that it's most obvious on is really missing a lot on top & sounds like there's a pillow over the speaker, & it's probably the most music-famous cartoon. It's like the audio guys worried it over too much, & certainly more than they needed to. It's criminal! That vintage WB soundtrack sound in the cartoons & features is one of the great joys of movies: snappy, punchy; they sound like Chuck Berry records. WB sound had everyone else's beat, & it sounded good on it's own!
 
Posted by Daniel Wright (Member # 1983) on 11-11-2004, 07:00 PM:
 
Actully some of the banned Looney Tunes have been released on DVD. I found them at Wal-Mart for $1.00 per DVD. Thy are on DVD sets called Cartoon Craze by Digiview productions. One of the DVD's had Rabbit Stew and annother had Jungle Jitters. I am not sure how many of the other banned cartoons are Included.
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 07-27-2005, 12:44 AM:
 
This was posted to alt.movies.silent on 7/20/2005:

quote:
>From Jerry Beck's site:

http://looney.goldenagecartoons.com/looney-dvd3.html

The Looney Tunes Golden Collection, Vol. 3
Release Date: 10/25/05
MSRP: $64.92
Discs: Four
Disc #1: Bugs Bunny Classics

1. "Hare Force" (Bugs Bunny; 1944)
2. "Hare Remover" (Bugs Bunny, Elmer Fudd; 1946)
3. "Hare Tonic" (Bugs Bunny, Elmer Fudd; 1945)
4. "A Hare Grows in Manhattan" (Bugs Bunny; 1947)
5. "Easter Yeggs" (Bugs Bunny, Elmer Fudd; 1947)
6. "The Wabbit Who Came to Supper" (Bugs Bunny, Elmer Fudd; 1942)
7. "Bowery Bugs" (Bugs Bunny, Steve Brody; 1949)
8. "Homeless Hare" (Bugs Bunny; 1950)
9. "The Case of the Missing Hare" (Bugs Bunny, Ali Bama; 1942)
10. "Acrobatty Bunny" (Bugs Bunny; 1946)
11. "Wackiki Wabbit" (Bugs Bunny; 1943)
12. "Hare Do" (Bugs Bunny, Elmer Fudd; 1949)
13. "Rebel Rabbit" (Bugs Bunny; 1949)
14. "Hillbilly Hare" (Bugs Bunny; 1950)
15. "Duck! Rabbit! Duck!" (Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Elmer Fudd)

Audio Commentary by:
Jerry Beck ("The Wabbit Who Came to Supper" with Martha Sigall)
Michael Barrier ("Bowery Bugs" and "Hillbilly Hare")
John Kricfalusi ("Wackiki Wabbit")
Eric Goldberg ("Duck! Rabbit! Duck!")
Greg Ford ("Hare Remover", "Hare Tonic", and "A Hare Grows in
Manhattan")
Eddie Fitzgerald ("Wackiki Wabbit")

Disc #2: Hollywood Caricatures and Parodies

1. "Daffy Duck in Hollywood" (Daffy Duck; 1938)
2. "Hollywood Capers" (Beans; 1935)
3. "The Coo-Coo Nut Grove" (1936)
4. "Porky's Road Race" (Porky Pig; 1937)
5. "The Woods Are Full of Cuckoos" (1937)
6. "She Was an Acrobat's Daughter" (1937)
7. "The Film Fan" (Porky Pig; 1939)
8. "Speakin' of the Weather" (1937)
9. "Thugs with Dirty Mugs" (Edward G. Robbemsome; 1939)
10. "Goofy Groceries" (Jack Bunny; 1941)
11. "Swooner Crooner" (Porky Pig; 1944)
12. "Wideo Wabbit" (Bugs Bunny, Elmer Fudd; 1956)
13. "The Honey-Mousers" (1956)
14. "The Last Hungry Cat" (Tweety, Sylvester; 1961)
15. "The Mouse That Jack Built" (Jack Benny; 1959)

Audio Commentary by:
Jerry Beck ("Hollywood Capers" with Martha Sigall)
Michael Barrier ("The Coo-Coo Nut Grove")
Greg Ford ("Daffy Duck in Hollywood" and "She Was an Acrobat's
Daughter")
Daniel Goldmark ("Swooner Crooner")
June Foray ("The Honey-Mousers")

Disc #3: Porky and the Pigs

1. "I Haven't Got a Hat" (Porky Pig, Beans; 1935)
2. "Porky's Romance (Porky Pig, Petunia Pig; 1937)
3. "Porky's Party" (Porky Pig; 1938)
4. "Porky in Egypt" (Porky Pig, Humpty Bumpty; 1938)
5. "Porky and Teabiscuit" (Porky Pig; 1939)
6. "Pigs Is Pigs" (Piggy; 1937)
7. "Pigs in a Polka" (1943)
8. "Porky Pig's Feat" (Porky Pig, Daffy Duck; 1943)
9. "Daffy Duck Slept Here (Porky Pig, Daffy Duck; 1948)
10. "Bye, Bye Bluebeard" (Porky Pig; 1949)
11. "An Egg Scramble" (Porky Pig, Miss Prissy; 1950)
12. "Robin Hood Daffy" (Daffy Duck, Porky Pig; 1958)
13. "The Windblown Hare" (Bugs Bunny; 1949)
14. "Claws for Alarm (Porky Pig, Sylvester; 1954)
15. "Rocket Squad" (Daffy Duck, Porky Pig; 1956)

Audio Commentary by:
Jerry Beck ("I Haven't Got a Hat")
Mark Kausler ("Porky's Romance")
John Kricfalusi ("Porky's Party")
Daniel Goldmark ("Pigs in a Polka")
Joe Dante ("Porky Pig's Feat")
Eric Goldberg ("Robin Hood Daffy")
Eddie Fitzgerald ("Claws for Alarm")
Paul Dini ("Rocket Squad")

Disc #4: All Stars Cartoon Party

1. "Daffy Duck and the Dinosaur" (Daffy Duck, Casper Caveman; 1939)
2. "Super Rabbit" (Bugs Bunny, Cottontail Smith; 1943)
3. "Daffy Duck and Egghead" (1938)
4. "A Gruesome Twosome" (Tweety; 1945)
5. "Draftee Daffy" (Daffy Duck; 1945)
6. "Falling Hare" (Bugs Bunny; 1943)
7. "Steel Wool" (Ralph Wolf, Sam Sheepdog; 1957)
8. "Birds Anonymous" (Tweety, Sylvester; 1957)
9. "No Barking" (Claude Cat, Frisky Puppy; 1954)
10. "Rabbit Punch" (Bugs Bunny, Crusher; 1948)
11. "An Itch in Time" (Elmer Fudd, A. Flea; 1943)
12. "Odor-able Kitty" (Pepe Le Pew; 1945)
13. "Walky Talky Hawky" (Foghorn Leghorn, Henery Hawk; 1946)
14. "Gonzales Tamales" (Speedy Gonzales, Sylvester; 1957)
15. "To Beep or Not to Beep" (Road Runner, Wile E. Coyote; 1963)

Audio Commentary by:
Jerry Beck ("Birds Anonymous" and "Gonzales Tamales" with Art Leonardi)
Paul Dini ("Super Rabbit")
John Kricfalusi ("A Gruesome Twosome", "Falling Hare" and "An Itch in
Time" with Bill Melendez)
Michael Barrier ("Odor-able Kitty" and "Walky Talky Hawky")
Milt Gray ("A Gruesome Twosome")

Other Bonus Features:

·"Philbert" - a rare 1963 TV pilot (Theatrical version)

·Private Snafu in "Gas" ·Private Snafu in "Rumors" ·Private Snafu
in "Spies"

·"Point Rationing of Foods" (a rarely seen wartime short released
2/25/43)

· "The Bear That Wasn't" (the 1967 MGM Cartoon by Chuck Jones, based
on the book by Frank Tashlin)

· THE BUGS BUNNY SHOW - "The Honeymousers" (Production #1822 telecast
7/24/62)

· STORYBOARDS (includes deleted scenes):
1. "Falling Hare"
2. "Porky's Party"

· FROM THE VAULTS:
1. "Sinkin' in the Bathtub" (1930 - first Looney Tunes cartoon)
2. "It's Got Me Again" (1932 - the first Warner Bros. cartoon nominated
for an Academy Award)

· New Documentaries on:
1. Frank Tashlin
2. Black & White cartoons
3. Restoration of cartoons
4. Pepe Le Pew
5. The Bugs-Elmer-Daffy Trilogy
6. Looney Tunes Go To War
7. Birds Annonymous tribute

Other materials in the set, according to Jerry Beck:

http://looney.goldenagecartoons.com/looney-dvd3.html

· PHILBERT - a rare 1963 TV pilot (Theatrical version)

·Private Snafu in GAS
·Private Snafu in RUMORS
·Private Snafu in SPIES

·POINT RATIONING OF FOODS (a rarely seen wartime short released
2/25/43)

· THE BEAR THAT WASN'T (the 1967 MGM Cartoon by Chuck Jones, based
on the book by Frank Tashlin)

·THE BUGS BUNNY SHOW - "The Honeymousers" (Production #1822
telecast 7/24/62)

·STORYBOARDS (includes deleted scenes):
1. FALLING HARE
2. PORKY'S PARTY

· FROM THE VAULTS:
1. SINKIN' IN THE BATHTUB (1930 - first Looney Tunes cartoon)
2. IT'S GOT ME AGAIN (1932 - pictured above, the first Warner Bros.
cartoon nominated for an Academy Award)

· New Documentaries on:
1. Frank Tashlin
2. Black & White cartoons
3. Restoration of cartoons
4. Pepe Le Pew
5. The Bugs-Elmer-Daffy Trilogy
6. Looney Tunes Go To War
7. Birds Annonymous tribute

Audio track commentaries by:
Joe Dante (Porky Pig's Feat)
John Kricfalusi (Wakiki Wabbit, Porky's Party, A Gruesome Twosome, An
Itch In Time, Falling Hare)
Bill Melendez (An Itch In Time and Falling Hare with John K.)
Eric Goldberg (Robin Hood Daffy, Duck Rabbit Duck)
Daniel Goldmark (Pigs In A Polka, Swooner Crooner)
Paul Dini (Super Rabbit, Rocket Squad)
Greg Ford (Hare Remover, Hare Tonic, Hare Grows In Manhattan, Daffy
Duck In Hollywood, She Was An Acrobat's Daughter)
Mark Kausler (Porky's Romance)
Milt Gray (A Gruesome Twosome)
Michael Barrier (Bowery Bugs, Hillbilly Hare, The Coo-Coo Nut Grove,
Odorable Kitty and Walky Talky Hawky)
Eddie Fitzgerald (Wakiki Wabbit, Claws For Alarm)
June Foray (The Honeymousers)
Jerry Beck (Hollywood Capers (with Martha Sigall), The Wabbit Who Came
to Supper (with Martha Sigall), Birds Anonymous (with Art Leonardi),
Gonzales Tamales (with Art Leonardi), Philbert (with Art Leonardi and
Trustin Howard) and I Haven't Got A Hat)

A Hare Grows In Manhattan! One of the best incredible Friz Freleng singalongs!

She's the daughter of Rosie O'Grady,
A regular old-fashioned goil
She isn't crazy for diamond rings
Silkens & satings & fancy things
She's just a regular lady
And when you meet her you'll see
Why I'm glad I caught her, the daughter of Rosie O'Grady!

 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-31-2005, 12:57 PM:
 
This is great news as always, but once again...why are they holding back so many of the GREAT Bugs/Yosemite Sam toons?

Captain Hareblower
Knighty Knight Bugs
Sahara Hare

...and others are all top of the list material, yet they have not made this series yet.

And there's still not enough Foghorn Leghorn. [Mad] I'd like to see more Marvin Martian too. He was only in a few films but became a superstar anyway.

Oh well, at least that means there's probably yet another volume on the planning board.

I'm really glad to see "The Honeymousers" on this set, and the "The Mouse that Jack Built." I've been a Jack Benny fan for years and his old radio shows are prime listening.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-25-2005, 09:34 PM:
 
An ad for this latest set in "Entertainment Weekly" contains the following fine print: "LOONEY TUNES Golden Collection is intended for the adult collector and may not be suitable for children."

[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 10-29-2005, 01:44 PM:
 
Does anyone know if the _original_ version of "Duck Dodgers in the 24th 1/2 Century" is available on these disks, or is it the censored version? It's a personal favorite and I would happily purchase the un-edited version in any format, if it is available.
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 10-31-2005, 03:28 AM:
 
What's been censored from "Duck Dodgers in the 24th 1/2 Century"?

This is a fun collection, lots of stuff you rarely see like Freleng's "She Was An Acrobat's Daughter", which is a great representation of folks going to the movies at that time (& a great cartoon theater), lots of excellent studio transfers of titles that have gone PD so those cheap PD WB cartoon DVD's can be tossed, original black & white versions of the titles that can usually only be seen in the inferior versions which were decades ago poorly colorized by re-painting the cels & re-shooting, nice big chunks of hilarious McKimson & Clampett stuff, & a good inclusion of Tahlin's stuff.

With the "intended for adults" label & an explanatory introduction by Whoopi Goldberg In A Room That Doesn't Exist & We Don't Care That It Looks That Way But We Can't Explain Why We're Doing It That Way Anyway, I sort of thought the strategy would be to put in as many of the cartoons with offensive stereotypes & just get it over with in this set, but they didn't. Off the top of my head, the Bugs Bunny cartoon set in Mythical Dixie ("Oh, Belvedere!") with the ending blackface gag at the end isn't on it.

I've still got some beefs with the re-mastered audio for modern tastes that isn't as punchy & dynamically compressed as the original soundtracks, & a little less with the tweaked images (2-color Technicolor never looked like it does here).
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 11-03-2005, 05:31 PM:
 
One of the extras is a good look at the restoration process. The extras are particularly good on this set.

Still doesn't have that Porky "son of a gun" clip that I enjoy so much, though.
 
Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 11-04-2005, 12:48 AM:
 
That was part of a gag reel made at the WB cartoon studio, never intended to get out, & of course it did. I sort of doubt WB will release it on DVD for corporate image reasons.

It was run in a midnight show of Hollywood blooper reels I attended at a theater in Manhattan with a good-size house of a few hundred young adults, & I thought the roof was going to come off & the carpets would have to be cleaned. People were losing their minds. If the floor fell out from under them they couldn't have been more freaked out. It was pandemonium.

It's got to be PD, never copyrighted; I wonder if it's on any of those cheapo no-name blooper DVD's in bins at Wal-Mart, dollar stores, etc. The hot cartoon tip is that dollar stores have huge bins of no-name DVD's with great collections of orphaned & black & white cartoons like the Van Burens, Fleischers, Terry, etc. Those things are fabulously hilarious & weird.
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 11-04-2005, 03:52 AM:
 
It's on one of my LDs. I'll have to go dig through the racks to see which one.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 11-30-2005, 12:45 AM:
 
I think where I first saw it, was in the movie "Bugs Bunny Superstar." Don't know if that's available anywhere now.
 
Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 751) on 12-01-2005, 09:13 AM:
 
Bugs Bunny Superstar is no longer available. It was last released in the early 1990's on VHS and LaserDisc. The behind the scenes home movie footage at the WB cartoon studio along with showing the included cartoons complete with logos and credits make this collection priceless. This was originally released theatrically in the late 1970's. I still have the 1-sheet.
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 12-01-2005, 12:08 PM:
 
Found it. The LD is titled Here's Looking At You, Warner Bros., Warner Home Video number 12670, 1991, 108 minutes. Side 1 chapter 15 is The Looney Tunes gang, and side 2 chapter 2 is Bloopers including the Porky Pig one.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 08-30-2006, 02:37 AM:
 
Volume 4 of the Looney Tunes Golden Collection will be released 11/14/06.

It will include the complete "Bugs Bunny Superstar" movie mentioned by Michael D. above. Cool!

Here's a list of the contents from Amazon.com.

Disc 1: Bugs Bunny Classics
Includes:
Roman Legion-Hare
The Grey Hounded Hare
Rabbit Hood
Operation: Rabbit
Knight-mare Hare
Southern Fried Rabbit
Mississippi Hare
Hurdy-Gurdy Hare
Forward March Hare
Sahara Hare
Barbary-Coast Bunny
To Hare is Human
8 Ball Bunny
Knighty Knight Bugs
Rabbit Romeo

Commentary on Rabbit Hood by director Eric Goldberg
Commentary on Operation: Rabbit by writer Paul Dini
Commentary on Mississippi Hare by director Eric Goldberg
Commentary on Hurdy-Gurdy Hare by writer Paul Dini
Commentary on 8 Ball Bunny by historian Jerry Beck
Commentary on Rabbit Romeo by actor June Foray and historian Jerry Beck
Alternate Audio Programs: Operation: Rabbit Music and Effects Track, Knight-Mare Hare Music Only Track, Southern Fried Rabbit Music and Effects Track, Sahara Hare Music Only Track, Barbary-Coast Bunny Music Only Track, To Hare is Human Music Only Track, Rabbit Romeo Music Only Track
Twilight in Tunes: The Music of Raymond Scott
Bugs Bunny Superstar Part 1 (1976 documentary)
Powerhouse in Pictures
Fifty Years of Bugs Bunny in 3-1/2 Minutes (1989 short)
The Bugs Bunny Show
Ballpoint Puns Bridging Sequences
Foreign Legion Leghorn Audio Recording Sessions
Trailer Gallery: Bugs Bunny’s Cartoon Carnival, Bugs Bunny's All-Star Revue

Disc 2: Frank Tashlin Classics
Includes:
The Case of the Stuttering Pig
Little Pancho Vanilla
Little Beau Porky
Now that Summer is Gone
Porky in the North Woods
You're an Education
Porky's Railroad
Plane Daffy
Porky the Fireman
Cracked Ice
Puss n' Booty
I Got Plenty of Mutton
Booby Hatched
Unruly Hare
The Stupid Cupid

Commentary on The Case of the Stuttering Pig by animator Mark Kausler
Commentary on Now That Summer is Gone by historian Michael Barrier with director Frank Tashlin
Commentary on Porky in the North Woods by animator Mark Kausler
Commentary on You’re an Education by historian Daniel Goldmark
Commentary on Plane Daffy by filmmaker Greg Ford
Commentary on Cracked Ice by historian Michael Barrier with director Frank Tashlin
Commentary on Puss n' Booty by historian Jerry Beck
Commentary on I Got Plenty of Mutton by filmmaker Greg Ford
Commentary on Porky's Poultry Plant by historian Michael Barrier with director Frank Tashlin
Commentary on The Stupid Cupid by director Eddie Fitzgerald
Bugs Bunny Superstar Part 2 (1976 documentary)
Porky and Daffy in The William Tell Overture (2006 short)
Frank Tashlin's Storybooks
Little Chic's Wonderful Mother
Tony and Clarence
From the Vault: The Goldbrick (1943 short), The Home Front (1943 short), Censored (1944 short)

Disc 3: Speedy Gonzales
Includes:
Cat-Tails for Two
Tabasco Road
Tortilla Flaps
Mexicali Shmoes
Here Today, Gone Tamale
West of the Pesos
Cannery Woe
The Pied Piper of Guadalupe
Mexican Boarders
Chili Weather
A Message to Gracias
Nuts and Volts
Pancho's Hideaway
The Wild Chase
A-Haunting We Will Go

Commentary on Cat-Tails for Two by actor Stan Freberg and historian Jerry Beck
Commentary on Mexican Boarders by filmmaker Greg Ford with director Friz Freleng
Commentary on Nuts and Volts by animator Art Leonardi and historian Jerry Beck
Commentary on The Wild Chase by writer Paul Dini
Alternate Audio Programs: Cat-Tails for Two Music and Effects Track, Tabasco Road Music Only Track, Mexicali Schmoes Music Only Track, West of the Pesos Music Only Track
Friz on Film (2006 Documentary)
From the Vault: 90 Day Wondering (1956 Short), Drafty, Isn't It? (1957 Short)

Disc 4: Cats
Includes:
The Night Watchman
Conrad the Sailor
The Sour Puss
The Aristo-Cat
Dough Ray Me-ow
Pizzicato Pussycat
Kiss Me Cat
Cat Feud
The Unexpected Pest
Go Fly a Kit
Kiddin' the Kitten
A Peck o' Trouble
Mouse and Garden
Porky's Poor Fish
Swallow the Leader

Commentary on Conrad the Sailor by filmmaker Greg Ford with director Chuck Jones
Commentary on The Aristo-Cat by director Eddie Fitzgerald
Commentary on The Aristo-Cat by filmmaker Greg Ford with director Chuck Jones
Commentary on Dough Ray Me-ow by historian Jerry Beck
Commentary on Pizzicato Pussycat by Daniel Goldmark
Commentary on The Unexpected Pest by actor June Foray and historian Jerry Beck
Alternate Audio Programs: Cat Feud Music Only Track, The Unexpected Pest Music Only Track, Go Fly a Kit Music Only Track, A Peck of Trouble Music and Effects Track
Behind the Tunes (2006 documentary featurettes): One Hit Wonders, Sing-a-Song of Looney Tune, The Art of the Gag, Wild Lines: The Art of Voice Acting, Looney Tunes: A Cast of Thousands
From the Vault: Porky's Breakdowns, Sahara Hare Storyboard Reel, Porky's Poor Fish Storyboard Reel

[ 10-11-2006, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: Mike Blakesley ]
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 11-21-2006, 09:59 PM:
 
Well I've been perusing this set over the past few days. It includes 2 of the Bugs/Yosemite Sam toons that I've been pining for ("Knighty Knight Bugs" and "Sahara Hare") and that Porky Pig "Son of a gun/Son of a bitch" clip is included. It's not part of "Bugs Bunny Superstar" like I thought, but is a separate item called "Porky's Breakdowns."

Lots of Frank Tashlin pictures - (a whole disk's worth) and disk 4 is devoted to toons featuring cats (but not Sylvester). They're really getting into the nitty gritty now!

Now my wish list includes: The Marvin Martian cartoons (there are only a few, and one or two have already been included on previous sets) and "Captain Hareblower," probably the funniest Bugs/Yosemite battle ever.
 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 10-07-2007, 08:42 AM:
 
The Golden Collection Volume 5 will be released on October 30th. The titles:

Disc 1: Bugs and Daffy
14 Carrot Rabbit
Ali Baba Bunny
Buccaneer Bunny
Bugs's Bonnets
A Star is Bored
A Pest in the House
Transylvania 6-5000
Stupor Duck
The Stupor Salesman
The Abominable Snow Rabbit
The Super Snooper
Oily Hare
Hollywood Daffy
You Were Never Duckier
The Up-Standing Sitter

Disc 2: Fairy Tales
Bewitched Bunny
Paying the Piper
The Bear's Tale
Foney Fables
Goldimouse and the Three Cats
Holiday for Shoestrings
Little Red Rodent Hood
Little Red Walking Hood
Red Riding Hoodwinked
The Trial of Mr. Wolf
The Turn Tale Wolf
Tom Thumb in Trouble
Tweety and the Beanstalk
A Gander at Mother Goose
Senorella and the Glass Huarache

Disc 3: The Best of Bob Clampett
Bacall to Arms
Buckaroo Bugs
Crazy Cruise
Farm Frolics
Hare Ribbin'
Patient Porky
Prehistoric Porky
The Bashful Buzzard
The Old Grey Hare
The Wacky Wabbit
The Wise Quacking Duck
Wagon Heels
The Daffy Doc
A Tale of Two Kitties
Porky's Pooch

Disc 4: "The Early Daze"
Alpine Antics
Eatin' On The Cuff or The Moth Who Came to Dinner
Milk and Money
I've Got to Sing a Torch Song
Porky at the Crocadero
Polar Pals
Scrap Happy Daffy
Gold Diggers of '49
Porky's Double Trouble
Wise Quacks
Porky's Preview
Pilgrim Porky
Porky's Poppa
Wholly Smoke
What Price Porky?

Special Features
Chuck Jones: Extremes and In-Betweens documentary - (2000)
The Bugs Bunny Show
Bridging Sequences for Bad Time Story
Mel Blanc audio recording sessions for What's Up, Doc?
General Foods commercials starring Bugs and company
Tricks of the Cartoon Trade
Private Snafu Cartoons: Coming Snafu and Gripes
Seaman Hook Cartoons: The Good Egg, The Return of Mr. Hook and Tokyo Woes
The director's cut of Hare Ribbin'
The Bashful Buzzard original storyboards
Milt Franklyn opening themes with intro by Greg Ford
Commentaries
Music-Only Tracks
Tribute to Directors
Television Specials: Bugs Bunny's Looney Christmas Tales, Bugs Bunny's Bustin' Out all Over, and Bugs and Daffy's Carnival of the Animals
Behind the Tunes: "Once upon a Tune", "The Art of Robert McKimson", "Wacky Warner One-Shots" and "The Adventures of Private Snafu"
 
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 10-07-2007, 09:54 AM:
 
I bought the forst disk a while ago. If you think this is fun wait till you see these in HD. There are a ffew HD disks out that have one or two cartoons on them Robin Hood is one.

Mark
 
Posted by Damien Taylor (Member # 4255) on 10-08-2007, 05:10 AM:
 
Bugger just putting cartoons back in the cinemas, for almost $20 bucks a ticket these days, I want at least a newsreel, a cartoon a serial and a double feature.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-31-2007, 03:19 PM:
 
Why a newsreel when you can get news 24/7/365? A movie theatre these days should be a place to escape the news.

Now to my annual gripes about this new set. I can't believe they didn't include "Beanstalk Bunny" on the "fairy tales" disk. It's a hilarious Bugs/Daffy/Fudd entry.

And there are still a few great Yosemite Sam classics missing, most notably "Captain Hareblower" which is probably the most violent of all the Sam/Bugs confrontations. Maybe that's why they keep skipping it....LOTS of cannon blasts to the face.

I want more more Wile E/Roadrunner, please. The rest of the Bugs/Marvin Martian stuff. And a couple more of the Wolf/Sheepdog toons. Oh well, maybe next year...

[ 10-31-2007, 09:44 PM: Message edited by: Mike Blakesley ]
 
Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 06-14-2009, 05:17 PM:
 

It has been 592 days since the last post.


 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 06-14-2009, 05:17 PM:
 
I guess I never got around to posting this last fall.

The Golden Collection Volume 6 (the final installment of the Golden Collection) was released back on October 28, 2008. The titles:

Disc 1: Looney Tunes All Stars
Hare Trigger
To Duck...or Not to Duck
Birth of a Notion
My Little Duckaroo
Crowing Pains
Raw! Raw! Rooster!
Heaven Scent
My Favorite Duck
Jumpin' Jupiter
Satan's Waitin'
Hook, Line and Stinker
Bear Feat
Dog Gone South
A Ham in a Role
Often an Orphan

Special Features
Looney Tunes Television Specials

Bugs Bunny in King Arthur's Court
Daffy Duck's Easter Egg-citement

4 Bonus Shorts
Boyhood Daze
Hippety Hopper
Rabbit Rampage
Sniffles Takes a Trip

Disc 2: Patriotic Pals
Herr Meets Hare
Russian Rhapsody
Daffy - the Commando
Bosko the Doughboy
Rookie Revue
The Draft Horse
Wacky Blackout
The Ducktators
The Weakly Reporter
Fifth Column Mouse
Meet John Doughboy
Hollywood Canine Canteen
By Word of Mouse
Heir-Conditioned
Yankee Dood It

Special Features
Friz Freleng at MGM Shorts Gallery

The Captain's Christmas
A Day at the Beach
Mama's New Hat
Poultry Pirates
Seal Skinners

3 Bonus Shorts
Confusions of a Nutzy Spy
The Fighting 69-1/2th
Hop and Go

Disc 3: Bosko, Buddy & Merrie Melodies
Congo Jazz
Smile, Darn Ya, Smile!
The Booze Hangs High
One More Time
Bosko's Picture Show
You Don't Know What You're Doin'!
We're in the Money
Ride Him, Bosko!
Shuffle off to Buffalo
Bosko in Person
The Dish Ran Away with the Spoon
Buddy's Day Out
Buddy's Beer Garden
Buddy's Circus
A Cartoonist's Nightmare

Special Features
The World of Leon Schlesinger Featurette Gallery

Introduction by Martha Sigall and Jerry Beck
Crying for the Carolines
Haunted Gold Title Sequence
Schlesinger Productions Christmas Party

4 Bonus Shorts
How Do I Know It's Sunday
I Like Mountain Music
I Love a Parade
Sittin' on a Backyard Fence

Disc 4: Most-Requested Assorted Nuts & One-Shots
Horton Hatches the Egg
Lights Fantastic
Fresh Airedale
Chow Hound
The Oily American
It's Hummer Time
Rocket-bye Baby
Goo Goo Goliath
Wild Wife
Much Ado About Nutting
The Hole Idea
Now Hear This
Martian Through Georgia
Page Miss Glory
Norman Normal

Special Features
Documentary Profile

Mel Blanc: The Man of a Thousand Voices

4 Bonus Shorts
Bartholomew Versus the Wheel
Punch Trunk
Sleepy Time Possum
Wild Wild World
 
Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 05-26-2012, 10:13 PM:
 

It has been 1077 days since the last post.


 
Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 05-26-2012, 10:13 PM:
 
Finally! Here come the Blu-rays!

quote:

May 09, 2012

Looney Tunes: Chuck Jones, The Mouse Chronicles to Be Released this August

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On 8/28/12, Warner Home Video will release "Looney Tunes: Chuck Jones Mouse Chronicles", a 2-disc Blu-ray set featuring 19 classic cartoons. There is no word yet on pricing or special features, but reportedly, it will have special material.

The included shorts: (all directed by Chuck Jones)
- Naughty But Mice (1939) - Sniffles
- Little Brother Rat (1939) - Sniffles
- Sniffles and the Bookworm (1939) - Sniffles
- Sniffles Takes a Trip (1940) - Sniffles
- Egg Collector, The (1940) - Sniffles
- Bedtime For Sniffles (1940) - Sniffles
- Sniffles Bells the Cat (1941) - Sniffles
- Toy Trouble (1941) - Sniffles
- Brave Little Bat, The (1941) - Sniffles
- Unbearable Bear, The (1943) - Sniffles
- Lost and Foundling (1944) - Sniffles
- Hush, My Mouse (1946) - Sniffles
- Aristo Cat, The (1943) - Hubie & Bertie
- Trap Happy Porky (1945) - Porky Pig
- Roughly Squeaking (1946) - Hubie & Bertie ; Claude Cat
- House Hunting Mice (1948) - Hubie & Bertie
- Mouse Wreckers (1948) - Hubie & Bertie ; Claude Cat
- Hypo-Chondri-Cat, The (1950) - Hubie & Bertie ; Claude Cat
- Cheese Chasers (1951) - Hubie & Bertie ; Claude Cat

Many of these films can be seen at ChuckJonesCenter.org Chuck Jones Filmography.

Source: Toonzone.net


 
Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 05-27-2012, 05:41 AM:
 
Is there a listing of what feature "goes with" each cartoon? Louis
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 05-27-2012, 01:35 PM:
 
I'm still waiting for "Captain Hareblower" and "Sahara Sam." There's not enough Yosemite Sam on disk yet.
 




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