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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 09-10-2003, 12:56 AM:
 
Who do I have to be screwing in Hollywood to get them to produce a Special Edition DVD of TITANIC?

This one's a slam-dunk no-brainer. What could they possibly be waiting for?
 

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Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 09-10-2003, 01:15 AM:
 
Waiting for James Cameron. For some reason he's taking a sabbatical. From anything fictional. And Paramount isn't exactly the home video studio that pushes for these kind of DVD's.
 

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Posted by Paul G. Thompson (Member # 655) on 09-10-2003, 02:00 AM:
 
Special Edition? What was wrong with the orginal?
I do know that the engine room scenes from the movie were filmed on board the SS Jeremiah O'Brien in the San Francisco Bay. It apparently was the only operational and seaworthy ship they could find that used the triple-expansion steam engine. Hers had three cylinders, where the Titanic had four cylinder engines.

Just for general information, The O'Brien has a three cruises scheduled for October of this year. The one on October 11 is already sold out. They allow for tours of the engine room while the ship is under weigh. In March of 2004, she goes into drydock for a special inspection to keep her certified. It is going to cost the foundation about $500,000 for this inspection.

The SS Jeremiah O'Brien is the sole operative unaltered surviver of 2,751 liberty ships built during World Wat II. She thus represents the largest single class ships ever built in the world. Her hull number is 230, and was built by the New England Shipbuilding Company of Portland, Maine. It was launched on June 19 of 1943.

Remember this picture?


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Posted by Hillary Charles (Member # 769) on 09-10-2003, 07:06 AM:
 
There were so many other scenes shot, including those involving the Californian, whose wireless operator was admonished to "shut up" by the Titanic's wireless operator, when he was trying to warn them of icebergs. Subsequently, the inaction of the Californian (even after seeing the distress flares) has become a major part of the Titanic story.

Because of that relevance, it would be nice to see them within the body of an SE version. I guess it was too important to keep all the fictional stuff, to retain such actual historical scenes.
 

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Posted by Mark Ogden (Member # 43) on 09-10-2003, 08:34 AM:
 
Here's the question I have for people whenever this issue pops up: exactly how many times are you willing fork over for the same movie? I for one am really goddamned tired of buying a DVD movie, then seeing the same film subsequently released in a "Special Edition" followed by a "Director's Cut" followed by an "Enhanced Edition" followed by a "Superbit Edition" followed by the "Definitive Edition" (as witnessed by everyone who coughed green for all the "T2" discs). It's all designed to seperate you from your bucks, and the studios KNOW that people fall for it, that's why it happens. All you have to do is promise a ton of marginal extras to get the wallets out again.

Look at the new disc of There's Something About Mary. Six hours of extras? How much could there be to say about this movie? Deleted scenes? Do you know why scenes are deleted from movies? Because they aren't any good, that's why. Because when the film was made, they didn't add anything to it. Yet let somebody uncover a 10 sec. clip of Cameron Diaz making faces at the camera between takes and hey! Deluxe edition on it's way! Another $24.95 please!! I mean, c'mon.

I'm sorry to rant, but this infuriates me to no end. It's just marketing, and it's just foolishness, IMveryHO.
 

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Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 09-10-2003, 08:45 AM:
 
"Uno sciocco e il suo denaro son presto separati."

or

"A fool and his money are soon parted".

Humorist Will Rogers also said "A fool and his money are soon ELECTED".
 

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Posted by Ron Lacheur (Member # 1126) on 09-10-2003, 09:07 AM:
 
Hollywood is going to shoot themselves in the foot with this marketing technique called " Double Dipping ".
 

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Posted by Evans A Criswell (Member # 381) on 09-10-2003, 09:55 AM:
 
The main reason I'd like to have a new DVD transfer of Titanic is because the first disc was not anamorphic. A new transfer would look much better on a 16x9 set. An anamorphic transfer of a scope movie uses around 357 (probably 360 is used most of the time) scan lines (since some black must be used at the top and bottom), while a non-anamorphic one uses around 268. The anamorphic transfer gives a 33 percent increase in resolution when viewed on a widescreen set.

Thankfully, most studios don't pull this stunt any more of making a non-anamorphic transfer for their first release, then go in a year or two later and do an anamorphic transfer.

Anyway, if you want to watch Titanic, there is a trailer for Titanic on one of the early DTS demo DVDs. It's not anamorphic, but it sounds great. Just watch that -- it's a long trailer and it's almost as good as watching the movie, and it takes far less time. :-)
 

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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 09-10-2003, 10:24 AM:
 

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Here's the question I have for people whenever this issue pops up: exactly how many times are you willing fork over for the same movie?

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I guess it was too important to keep all the fictional stuff, to retain such actual historical scenes.

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Hillary, I don't think you are being fair. The movie is clearly a work of fiction and I don't have a problem with them using the most notorious disaster as a setting. I think it was a stroke of creative genius and I think the filmmakers were well within their rights to include/exclude facts based on the relevance to the fictional story.

The involvement of the Californian and Carpathia is covered adequately in various documentaries and the still-brilliant British classic A NIGHT TO REMEMBER which is, by various accounts, the most accurate docudrama about the Titanic disaster. You really should get your hands on a copy if you haven't yet seen it.

For the record, I am not really that interested in seeing a re-edited version or a Director's Cut. I am happy with the theatrical release (although ours began with the Fox logo) but an anamorphic transfer and at least a director's commentary and an in-depth behind-the-scenes documentary (and not some made-for-HBO promo).

And who's looking at still photos on their DVD player? This is a crap feature that they ought to do away with. Nobody wants that stuff, do they?

Also in the "not really a special feature" category would be previews for OTHER movies. Some studios call this "Recommendations" but it's really just another way of saying "crap."

Now, if you asked me, I'd have to say that THOSE are "marginal extras."
 

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Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 09-10-2003, 12:44 PM:
 
I would definitely buy a new SE of Titanic if it became available. All I ask for is a new, 16x9 transfer, DTS (full bitrate would be nice, but not likely to happen), deleted scenes, trailers, and maybe a commentary with James Cameron or a Titanic historian. I wish Fox had gotten the video rights to this film because we would have probably already gotten a nice 2 disc special edition by now.

AJG
 

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Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 09-10-2003, 02:50 PM:
 
Evans,

I also have a copy of that DTS sampler DVD you mentioned that features the "TITANIC" trailer and I agree with you that it is an awesome demo. I also have the movie itself on a full bitrate DTS laserdisc and the sound is just as good as the DVD sampler. Although the laser's picture quality is very good, it is not equal to the DVD. I agree, another DVD is warranted only because the original release lacked 16X9 anamorphic encoding. A special edition of "TITANIC" is coming and when it does, it will be something very special. I can hardly wait.

-Claude
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 09-10-2003, 06:41 PM:
 
I have the DTS LaserDisc as well. I haven't bought it on DVD because there is absolutely no reason to since I have the LD. While an anamorphic version would be good, I could do without the deleted scenes. Deleted scenes often slow the pace and make a good movie bad. Unless the deleted scenes are not in the actual cut, but offered as extras on a seperate disc. The only argument against is the LotR trilogy, where Peter Jackson had to cut out 12 days of footage from each movie to get it down to about 3 hours. LotR people say he cut out quite a bit, and adding it back helps them recreate the entire story.

Personally I don't get much (if anything) out of extras. I don't listen to the commentaries (I wanna watch the movie, not listen to conversations... how much time do they think I have?). I don't give a rat's ass if a page-for-page version of the script is on there. I don't care about random shots of the cast taking a crap and a closeup of a peanut that scratched their anus upon exit. I really don't care what any actors have to say... they're actors! The extras were kind of cool back in the day when I'd rent LaserDiscs like Aliens, but now I really don't care. People like those who read Widescreen magazine seem to go into orgasmics over the extras, though. I wonder if those people even realize that the movie itself is hidden somewhere among those extras?

Extras are getting ridiculous.

While I'm at it, let's talk about DVD menus! Most of them are obviously designed by retarded people. I must apologize to retarded people, though, for associating them with DVD menu design, because retarded people probably could do BETTER. Take Truman Show for example. Do I really need to see a blimp fly past the menu screen before I am allowed to make my selection? NO! And after I click "play", which is all I wanted to do in the first place, I gotta watch the blimp turn around and fly towards the screen again! Why must I watch this EVERY TIME I watch the movie? It won't let me skip it. There is no option for a "non-annoying" menu. No, it is meant to be "cute". You see it and are supposed to go "How clever those DVD authors are!" every single time you see it. I could see how it might amuse a child. That's it!... DVDs are designed for kids.

I'm sorry for the rant.... actually no I'm not.
 

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Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 09-11-2003, 03:39 AM:
 
Joe, menu design is a big pet peeve of mine too. Personally, I love the way Sony is doing the Superbit menus: static menus, and no cheesy animation. Also, let us select subtitles and audio on the fly. What is the point of not allowing me to do this!? Sometimes I just totally miss laserdisc. I'd love to get the DTS laserdisc, but it is a little pricey for a college kid and with a possible DVD re-release, I don't want to spend that much.

As far as deleted scenes go, I'd rather have them as a separate feature as well. I loved the version I saw theatrically, and I want it to stay that way.

AJG
 

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Posted by Hillary Charles (Member # 769) on 09-11-2003, 07:30 AM:
 
Manny,

Yes, "A Night To Remember" is the definitive movie treatment of the Titanic tragedy as it happened, and I really admire it. In fact, in college, I was part of a student film crew who interviewed Walter Lord (the author of the legendary source book of the same name), and I brought my copy of that book along to the interview for him to autograph. It remains a cherished posession.

Cameron's film compares more to the 1950's 20th Century Fox version with Clifton Webb (albeit with many filmmaking advances). I'm very ambivalent about the movie because there WERE so many compelling and heart-wrenching stories which he could have concentrated on, yet much else is done SO DAMN WELL. In the interest of completeness, ANTR tried to give even coverage to every major story, and it's not as easy to get as involved with any particular characters as it is with Jack and Rose. Would a filmmaker in 80 years feel the need to add some hot fictitious romance to a film about 9-11? Well, probably.

My point is that since there aleady IS the theatrical version DVD out there (I have one), it would be cool to have the more complete one as well. Perhaps the way the "Independence Day" DVD gives one the option of versions. That way, a new 16x9 transfer could be offered in addition to a re-edited version. I'd alo be okay with the extra scenes in a special section. ANYTHING!

Cameron made the movie he wanted to, and who am I to argue with its success? When I found out about all the factual stuff that wasn't included due to length, I've been hoping for the SE DVD as well.
 

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Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 09-12-2003, 04:46 PM:
 
Okay Hillary -- and a big WOW! for getting the book autographed.

Joe -- many times if I've already seen the movie in a theatre I will buy a DVD for the extras. The first thing I did with WEST SIDE STORY was watch the documentary. I haven't even looked at the movie on the other DVD yet. It's about 50-50 for me: sometimes I buy a movie because I never got around to seeing it in theatres and the rest of the time I know the movie quite well and now I want to know more about how it got made.

As for the menus -- Why do they also try to force us to watch a preview before we even get to the menu? Disney does this all the time -- and usually with SEVERAL "attached" previews. A lot of people don't know that they can skip over these and so they sit there and watch them. Then again, I've seen some situations where you have no means to skip them; the "menu" button is disabled until the trailers have cleared. That's very annoying.
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 09-12-2003, 06:43 PM:
 
I already have a copy of the regular "Titanic" release, but will buy again if they come out with an anamorphic enhanced version. A real "SE" of it would be a 2 or 3 disc set.

While mentioning movies by James Cameron, we still lack 16x9 enhanced versions of "The Abyss" and "True Lies."

The DTS thing would be nice plus for any of those titles, but mainly if it is in the 1509kb/s "full" bitrate that nearly no DVD authoring places bother to use anymore. The 754kb/s version is still a bit better than DD at 448kb/s, but not by much. DVDs in DTS 1509 typically sound better (discs like "Dances With Wolves," "Price of Egypt" or even "Twister").
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 09-13-2003, 06:36 PM:
 
Manny, sometimes, if you are lucky and the DVD authors don't totally hate you, you can still use the next chapter button (pictured) to skip scenes which won't allow the menu button.


So why are there "DVDs" and "Disney DVDs"? The only difference I have noticed is that "Disney DVDs" come in the white fluffy boxes for kids (kids suck, by the way) and there are tons of trailers that play BEFORE the menu. "Disney DVDs" are created by morons.
 

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Posted by System Notices (Member # 2357) on 07-15-2005, 05:12 PM:
 

It has been 670 days since the last post.

 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 07-15-2005, 05:12 PM:
 
The RMS TITANIC sets sale for the DVD special edition release this September,2005 Bugger me, Ice-burg right ahead….

I wonder if it will come with DTS as well…
 

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Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 07-23-2005, 05:06 PM:
 
Actually, there is a 'special edition' of sorts of Titanic recently out on DVD - see here. But James Cameron being on sabbatical or not knowing who to screw in Hollywood wasn't a problem. This 1943 version was, like its better known 1997 remake, a major blockbuster... but one made by the Nazis to point out the evils of western capitalism.

As anyone who has seen any Nazi 'entertainment' films can guess, the script is a tad heavy-handed to put it mildly. The story is framed around Ismay and Astor (Jewish stereotypes which leave little to the imagination) banking everything on the Titanic breaking the speed record and bribing the captain to go full speed ahead through the ice field. The first officer is a stiff-necked German who tries to seduce Astor's girlfriend in an attempt to get her to get him to order the ship slowed down. He, in effect, is the Leonardo DiCaprio character.

Other than that, there are some striking similarites with the Cameron film. The nicking the jewels/locked in the brig/rescued by the heroine sub-plot is lifted almost unchanged, as is the song and dance scene below decks (though the steerage class passengers are predominately Scandinavian rather than Irish in this version). The passengers freezing in the water also suggests to me that Cameron must have seen this version. In this case the sinking is obviously done with scaled models and stop-motion, but it's more convincing than a lot of other '40s stuff I've seen.

There are two extras on this DVD: a 1912 advertising film about the Titanic made by the White Star Line and a newsreel rushed out shortly after the sinking, most of which is faked or misattributed footage (full info on Titanic footage faking can be found in this book), but interesting nonetheless.
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 07-23-2005, 06:34 PM:
 
The new DVD releases of "Titanic" will hit Region 1 store shelves on October 25.

There is some controversy/confusion going on about the upcoming DVDs and the number of discs and features that will be included on the Special Edition and Deluxe Collector's Edition versions. It mainly involves this mix of Region 1 and Region 2 artwork from Paramount.



It appears the "Special Edition" R1 release will have 3 discs. The Region 2 version has 2 discs. The Region 2 Deluxe Collectors Edition release is also shown -which features 4 discs.

Naturally, the concern is Region 1 customers may have access to fewer extras than what the R2 releases will have. Some are worried this 3 disc version may be the only release. Previous annoucements indicated there would be 2-disc and 4-disc versions of this new "Titanic" release.

Further adding to the confusion, some are saying R1 will have 2-disc and 3-disc releases. The Digital Bits' website says there's a possibility we haven't seen the Deluxe Collectors Edition artwork for Region 1 yet -implying the 3-disc version may be the entry level release and not the huge "ultimate" release.

At any rate, Paramount really needs to deal with this confusion. There is a fair amount of anger brewing among fans of the film in the United States who feel the R1 offerings may be lesser than the DCE 4-disc version to be sold in Europe.

Oh, BTW, it doesn't appear any of these new "Titanic" DVDs will have DTS at all. However, the mix has been updated to take advantage of Dolby Digital Surround EX 5.1. That's right, I said 5.1. DD-EX is a 5.1 format. It's still annoying that so many folks out there are calling it 6.1 track. Even Dolby Labs says it's 5.1.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-23-2005, 09:30 PM:
 
I just hope the movie itself fits on one disc. EX sounds good and I hope it is true anamorphic widescreen this time. The lack of that prevented me from purchasing the previous DVD. It is interesting that my LaserDisc version of Titanic is in DTS.

You think people calling EX 6.1 is bad... that's nothing! People call receivers with EX or Dolby Pro Logic 2 "7.1"! That's right, 7.1. They figure that each of the back surround speakers is its own individual discrete channel. These people are morons, and the companies actually advertise their receivers as "7.1".
 

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Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 07-24-2005, 07:32 AM:
 

quote: Joe Redifer

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I just hope the movie itself fits on one disc.

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quote: Joe Redifer

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I just hope the movie itself fits on one disc.

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quote: Andy Summers

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Do you think there will be a D-Theatre version in the U.S

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quote: Joe Redifer

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I just hope the movie itself fits on one disc.

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Just got sent a 3 disc version from Paramount New York.

In the 3-disc version, the movie is broken up on to two discs.

Disc 1 features:
Commentary by Director James Cameron

Cast & Crew Commentary by Kate Winslet, Gloria Stuart, Lewis Abernathy, Jon Landau and Rae Sanchini

Historical Commentary by Don Lynch and Ken Marschall

Branching To Behind-the-Scenes Featurettes

Disc 2 Features commentaries by the above director and players.

Branching to Behind-the-Scenes Featurttes
Alternate Ending: "Brock's Epiphany"
Music Video: "My Heart Will Go On" by Celine Dion

Disc 3
Over 45 minutes of Never-Before-Seen Deleted Scenes with optional commentary.
Fox Special: Breaking New Ground
Press Kitt Featurettes
1912 Newsreel
Construction Timelapse
Deep Dive Presentation
Videomatics
Visual Effects Breakdowns
Still Galleries

And So Much More! (That's what the package says)

The soundtracks are:
DTS 6.1 ES
Dolby Digital English 5.1 EX
English 2.0 Surround
French 2.0 Surround
Spanish 2.0 Surround

Widescreen Enhanced for 16x9 TVs

Andy get those JBLs and your THX system fired up this.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-17-2005, 09:48 PM:
 
Bill’

I’m all ready fired, and I’m wanting for the region 2 DVD release next month and the previous version I all ready have is complex enough, lords knows what techniques they have done to this version, but I’m sure the dynamics are going to be big.

I’ll be looking out for the 4 disc set, so do you all ready own the previous version, and if so have you done an A&B test, a simple test with the SPL db meter, and keeping the fader at the same level, I’ve also noted there’s no documentary for Sound mixing as “Skywalker Sound” did an outstanding achievement on this one….


 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-18-2005, 12:20 AM:
 
Unacceptable! I don't give a rat's ass what the directors, actors, historians and foley people have to say. Get rid of all of those comments. Secondly there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for English Dolby Digital 2.0 sound. All DVD players everywhere downmix the 5.1 to 2.0, and if the 5.1 track was encoded with each surround 90 degrees out of phase (which is easily applied in the Dolby encoder after mixing), then you have perfect Dolby Pro Logic 2. Get rid of that track. Nobody needs the French or the Spanish Dolby Digital 2.0 tracks either. Since they are not English then they cannot be considered true languages. Get rid of branching tracks. I hate that. They are worthless. Now get rid of the Dolby 5.1 EX track. Offer a separate Dolby-only version as well as a DTS-only version like they did with Jurassic Park. Now get rid of the 6 tons of unskippable animated menus, FBI warnings, studio logos, and the like that are surely going to be offered. Instead have a simple still menu without sound and with simple overlays instead of layered buttons. The only options will be PLAY and DO NOT PLAY. At the bottom of the menu will be some text from the FBI that says "PLZ don't copy this movie! We will all go broke and die starving on the street. But we have high hopes that a warning from the FBI will actually deter you. Yes, we think you are an idiot!" Get rid of all the subtitles. People who cannot hear simply do not deserve to watch movies. Blind people cannot watch movies, so why should deaf people get special treatment? With all of that useless crap gone, the movie can now fit on a single disc and be enjoyed without being broken into pieces and pissing me off. Weak people will probably need the interruption to go pee. Not me. Put all of the extra crap that nobody will watch more than once on a second, disposable disc.

Stupid fuckers.

And yes, I'll probably buy it.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-18-2005, 12:33 AM:
 
As I suspected, you’re a rank cynical miserable git, you don’t like anything well, that is what most normal people do like, yeah sure I agree with the Dolby 2.0 track does seem a waste, and extra audio commentary could have been saved just for you Joe’ “The Joe’ how you’ll be swinging from the chandelier commentary tack within 60secounds.”
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-18-2005, 04:17 AM:
 

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The Joe’ how you’ll be swinging from the chandelier commentary tack within 60secounds.

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Can you please translate this sentence as it is obviously not in English. I suggest you learn the language at your nearest opportunity. It is vital for proper communication.

And hell yeah... it's people like me who don't settle for "good enough" and strive to make things "as good as possible". Without assholes like me you'd be stuck with VHS.
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-18-2005, 11:10 AM:
 
Perhaps one day I can be a rank cynical misserable git too. The thing I can't stand is the message after the FBI warning - the one in French. Why the hell is there a message in French on a North American DVD? Why the hell is the French soundtrack recorded by French Canadians and not by the French or Belgians? Why isn't there a warning in Spanish and Chinese for crying out loud? They should be warning in Chinese! That's where all the pirated DVD's are coming from.....China and Colorado.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-18-2005, 12:00 PM:
 
I can just hear the pirates now: Oh look, there's a warning....what's that? It is a FEDERAL offense to copy this? QUICK, turn off the computer!
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-18-2005, 03:23 PM:
 
Yeah turn off the pc, I don’t fancy picking soap up for the next five years….
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-18-2005, 04:34 PM:
 
Piracy in nine countries:

Paraguay - 99% are illegal pirated copies
China - 85%
Indonesia - 80%
Ukraine - 68%
Russia - 66%
Mexico - 60%
Pakistan - 59%
India - 56%
US - LESS THAN 10 PERCENT!

Source - IFPI 2005 Commercial Piracy Report

Now who wants to cry me a river about how there should be tons of strict standards in the US on piracy? The US is not where the problem is, so why are companies taking it out on us? This HDCP bullshit is going way too far.
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-18-2005, 05:21 PM:
 
Like I keep saying, HDCP, HDMI and Sony's latest "DVD player phone home and authenticate" efforts are stepping stones to pay per every view DVDs. Hollywood really doesn't give a rat's ass about piracy. They just want a lot more short term money and think you have it to give.

About piracy in other countries (such as China), Hollywood and our government again do not care. Multi-national corporations own the Hollywood studios and they want to outsource as much of America overseas for short term gain as possible. If that means eating it overseas on some piracy, so be it. Their profits elsewhere will be much bigger. Some of the CEOs out there must masturbate to visions of an America where most of it consists of an endless gated community for 20 or so trillionaries. The rest of us will get crammed into a work camp outside of Bakersfield, California (or perhaps moved down to Mexico).
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-18-2005, 05:48 PM:
 
Now if the copyright laws where not upheld, there will be, a rising climb and the warnings need to be said again and again with fierce conviction…
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-18-2005, 06:45 PM:
 
Andy, if there was a rise in piracy, do you think they'd fight it with more warning screens? Do you know of any individual who has served 5 years in jail or fines $250,000 for buring his own copy of a movie he downloaded? Nope. That's because it's never happened and it will never happen.

Jack Valenti reminds me of the screaming, wacko Florida lawyer Jack Thompson.
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-18-2005, 06:51 PM:
 

 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-18-2005, 07:43 PM:
 
What’s with the image, seeing that it’s a TV show, sorry I’m lost hear?
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-18-2005, 07:46 PM:
 
Well, I'll tell you -um, no wait. On second thought, I'll let you figure it out.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-18-2005, 08:14 PM:
 
Got it that’s, former president "Bill Clinton."
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-18-2005, 11:50 PM:
 
No. He's the only sane lawyer in Florida, or at least that's what HE says.
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-19-2005, 01:29 PM:
 
I've changed my mind on wanting to be a rank cynical misserable git like Joe. I just found out what git means.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-19-2005, 03:32 PM:
 
Joseph’

I don’t think you would possible fit into the (Rank minded cynical miserable git), category so don’t worry about it, everything is cool.

Joe’ I’m just Kidding around with you mate.
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-19-2005, 03:49 PM:
 
Andy,

Just ask my girlfriend. I tend to fall into all those catagories, and possibly git as well. And actually my apologies for being dyslexic. I really am a git. Unfortunately, instead of git, I looked up gip, which is slang for vomit, which leads me to yet another crisis. If Reagan played "The Gipper" in Knute Rockne, All American, what did his name mean? And then I started wondering why if they have all those FBI warnings in front of video presentations, why there isn't one at the beginning of The Twenty?
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-19-2005, 04:22 PM:
 
Joseph’

Well I’m at with loss with this one, but I did have a look at some images of your former President “Reagan” he played college football correct?

The Gipper means maybe it’s Gripper as he had a good grip of the ball when running around on the field?

I don’t know, it’s a totally different game to what we play over hear, and guess what I don’t support any football team over hear, British football is mostly full of yobs, which simples just spoils the game. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/813953.stm

Not sure if you guys have the same problems over there with your sporting games?

Anyway how in the hell did we get onto this,? Watching Species in six-track Dolby with split-surrounds at the moment with the THX WOW this has lots of DEEP low end…cool.
 

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Posted by Richard Greco (Member # 2032) on 10-23-2005, 12:17 AM:
 
Ummm, on topic here...Just saw a commercial for the SE Titanic. US release date is Oct 25th.
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-23-2005, 03:06 PM:
 
From The Onion AV Club (the portion of the in-print Onion that isn't satire) 20-26 October:

Underrated entertainment experience: Just watching the movie and ignoring the DVD extras
Why? The increasing focus on DVD supplements encourages publishers to sell popular movies twice - once in a quickie edition, and again in a filler-packed "special collector's edition" that costs twice as much. That manipulative commercial calculation is annoying enough, but worse yet is the quantity-over-quality vibe which that dynamic encourages. More extras mean more money, no matter how empty an experience those extras are. For every disc or set out there with an insightful filmmaker commentary or a revealing alternate ending, there are half a dozen full of self-congratulatory puff-piece documentaries, useless "image galleries," and empty-air twittering about how cool everyone involved with the film was. Every film is a unique experience, but most DVD supplements fit generic patterns, and they don't extend the experience of the film so much as they cheapen it, reduce it to the predicable patterns, and then beat it into the ground.
The evidence: Almost any "collector's" DVD or DVD set, but for a recent example, check out the three-disc Titanic Special Collector's Edition due to be released October 25th. Love it or hate it, Titanic is a love story. And what love story is enhanced by hours and hours of overanalysis and dissection? (Also, what three-hour-plus movie is really improved by 45 minutes of deleted scenes?)
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-23-2005, 03:30 PM:
 
“TITANIC” I LOVE IT….JUST LIKE this click on it……
http://www.nexternal.com/vegane/images/MarmiteLg.jpg
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-23-2005, 05:24 PM:
 
I agree. The majority of extras beyond original trailers and whatnot are extremely lame, and I rarely ever watch them.
 

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