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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 04-05-2004, 12:45 AM:
 
I've been watching "Deadwood" on HBO, probably just out of convenience since it follows "The Sopranos" on Sunday night.

The show overall is pretty good, but with some dramatic missteps along the way. One well to do character was killed off on tonight's episode and any idiot could have seen that one coming. How could someone so stupid get rich in the first place? Oh wait, I almost forgot. He did it the old fashioned way, being born that way. Oh well.

Anyway, that's not really my point for posting something about a TV show in this forum. The reason: I don't think I have ever seen a show whose dialog was riddled with anywhere near this much profanity. The F-bombs were so numerous I tried to make a game out of counting them in tonight's episode. The show was not even half through when I lost track of the count at around 33 F-words. Lots of c**t and c***sucker bombs thrown in for good measure. Ian McShane had 5 F-words spoken in a short scene early in the show. This much profanity is not just numbing after awhile, it's really pretty distracting. I don't know if I'll be able to stay with this show through the rest of its season if it keeps up this pace.
 
Posted by Ron Yost (Member # 1850) on 04-07-2004, 10:07 PM:
 
Guess only you and I watch it, Bobby. [Smile] I see on the HBO Deadwood website that HBO has picked it up for another season. It must be doing pretty well for them.

I like it too, but agree the language of mostly two characters .. Al Swearingen [swearing.. clever, no? [Big Grin] ] and Calamity Jane is waaaaay over the top. I'm no prude, but gimme a break!

Wonder if Wild Bill will make it out of Deadwood alive on TV? He didn't in real life, if I recall correctly.

HBO is repeating the first three episodes this weekend .. Saturday night, I think? Hide the kiddies, tho. [Eek!]

Ron Yost
 
Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 04-07-2004, 10:18 PM:
 
I watched the first three episodes last night I had recorded on my DVR, and I found the language to be rather strong, as well. And Im no prude. I think the series finally started hitting its stride in episode 3, and the language seemed to subside somewhat (or maybe watching the three episodes back-to-back de-sensitized me). Anyway, I'll think I'll stick with it.
 
Posted by Brad Allen (Member # 470) on 04-09-2004, 02:25 PM:
 
I've been watching, will probably not continue, the [sex] talk gets real old.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 04-09-2004, 05:03 PM:
 
I haven't seen this since I refuse to pay for television, but I heard they showed a naked guy come out of his room with a fully erect penis with pussy-goo all over it, claiming he wasn't done. Sounds like qual[av=l]ity television! [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Steve Anderson (Member # 364) on 04-11-2004, 10:32 AM:
 
So Joe do you wait till it is released on DVD and burn yourself a copy? [Wink] Hey since I got my burner I have been Hollywood Videos best client.
 
Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 04-11-2004, 03:17 PM:
 
quote:
they showed a naked guy come out of his room with a fully erect penis with pussy-goo all over it
Well, they didn't actually SHOW the erect penis, but the gist of the scene is correct.

quote:
Hey since I got my burner I have been Hollywood Videos best client.
Umm, are we supposed to be talking about the joys of copyright violations in here?
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 04-11-2004, 03:38 PM:
 
Considering most DVDs take up two data layers, it seems like a waste of time to copy them. Even if you're doing so from a standpoint of making a legal backup copy of your own store bought discs. I'm not a fan of splitting a movie across two discs (or two sides) unless it is a long movie. And the extra compression apps like DVD-XCopy uses to squeeze a DVD-9 movie onto a DVD-R disc often makes the dub look terrible.

Back to the subject of the show, yeah this show has some nudity in it. The scene mentioned with the guy running around with his wang in his hand was pretty disgusting. Even the few scenes the show has had with naked women weren't all that pleasing either. One of the prostitutes in the show was badly beaten by clients, so she shot one of the violators in the head. She's shown climbing into Al Swearin-a-lot's bed with her face still badly bruised.
 
Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 03-24-2005, 11:39 PM:
 
Well it's been a year (almost) since the last post and I'm really hooked on this show. Turns out a great deal of it is factual.
Anybody else watching?
 
Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 03-25-2005, 01:32 AM:
 
OK. I basically gave up on the show after Wild Bill Hitchcock was killed off early in season 1. The language was bothersome to me.

And yet...

HBO ran a marathon of back to back to back episodes for a week leading up to the season 2 premiere. So I gave the show a second chance and started it from the beginning. It is now my favorite show on TV (Oh, wait. It's not TV, it's HBO. Since they paid a fortune for an agency to come up with that tagline, I should honor them by repeating it. And they will honor me with a free subscription!)

I guess I was kinda wrong about the penis thing. On closer examination, I don't think it was really erect, though. It just looked it, cause the guy was holding it straight out in his hands.

The language is either settling down, or I have become used to it.
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 03-25-2005, 01:42 AM:
 
I think you're used to the language. I saw this for the first time while I was in a hotel room somewhere and all I got out of the envelope was a couple of guys think everyone other guy is a cocksucker (and constantly remind everyone of the fact) and there's this gal who actually *is* a cocksucker and keeps offering people blowjobs.
 
Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 03-25-2005, 08:58 AM:
 
I got the first season on DVD and on the last disk there's an interesting interview with the producer. Turns out the bad language is pretty accurate and was used by men and women as a defense mechanism. Guess they figured if they talked real tough it would fend off any aggressive hostilities.
Many of the characters are real. Swearengen did exist and ran the saloon where it is estimated he made $4k-$6k per day (back then!). The sheriff is/was real too and was of the same type character as that portrayed.
A pretty "gritty" show
 
Posted by Dean Kollet (Member # 1789) on 03-25-2005, 09:32 AM:
 
I watched the first couple of shows to check it out, and I honestly just can't get used to it. I guess it seems real to life or whatever they claim, but I highly doubt they talked like that back in those days, I didn't think 1/2 of the words they say were't around until 50-60 years ago.
 
Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 03-25-2005, 05:04 PM:
 
Maybe, but on the other hand....
I once dated a college English teacher who said the origin of one of the most commonly used swear terms comes from the term.....Familiarity Under Carnal Knowledge..... Which dated to mid-evil England.

Or if you preferr....
a difficult word to trace, in part because it was taboo to the editors of the original OED when the "F" volume was compiled, 1893-97. Written form only attested from early 16c. OED 2nd edition cites 1503, in the form fukkit; earliest appearance of current spelling is 1535 -- "Bischops ... may fuck thair fill and be vnmaryit" [Sir David Lyndesay, "Ane Satyre of the Thrie Estaits"], but presumably it is a much more ancient word than that, simply one that wasn't likely to be written in the kind of texts that have survived from O.E. and M.E. Buck cites proper name John le Fucker from 1278. The word apparently is hinted at in a scurrilous 15c. poem, titled "Flen flyys," written in bastard L. and M.E. The relevant line reads:

Non sunt in celi
quia fuccant uuiuys of heli

Shit...
O.E. scitan, from P.Gmc. *skit-, from PIE *skheid- "split, divide, separate." Related to shed (v.) on the notion of "separation" from the body (cf. L. excrementum, from excernere "to separate"). It is thus a cousin to science and conscience. The noun is O.E. scitte "purging;" sense of "excrement" dates from 1585, from the verb. Despite what you read in an e-mail, "shit" is not an acronym. The notion that it is a recent word may be because the word was taboo from c.1600 and rarely appeared in print (neither Shakespeare not the KJV has it), and even in "vulgar" publications of the late 18c. it is disguised by dashes. It drew the wrath of censors as late as 1922 ("Ulysses" and "The Enormous Room"), scandalized magazine subscribers in 1957 (a Hemingway story in "Atlantic Monthly") and was omitted from some dictionaries as recently as 1970 ("Webster's New World"). Extensive slang usage; verb meaning "to lie, to tease" is from 1934; that of "to disrespect" is from 1903. Noun use for "obnoxious person" is since at least 1508; meaning "misfortune, trouble" is attested from 1937. Shat is a humorous past tense form, not etymological, first recorded 18c. Shite, now a jocular or slightly euphemistic variant, formerly a dialectal variant, reflects the vowel in the O.E. verb (cf. Ger. scheissen). Shit-faced "drunk" is 1960s student slang; shit list is from 1942. To not give a shit "not care" is from 1922; up shit creek "in trouble" is from 1937. Scared shitless first recorded 1936.

Cock and it's derivatives....
O.E. cocc, O.Fr. coq, O.N. kokkr, all of echoic origin. O.E. cocc was a nickname for "one who strutted like a cock," thus a common term in the Middle Ages for a pert boy, used of scullions, apprentices, servants, etc. A common personal name till c.1500, it was affixed to Christian names as a pet diminutive, cf. Wilcox, Hitchcock, etc. Slang sense of "penis" is attested since 1618 (but cf. pillicock "penis," from c.1300). Cock-teaser is from 1891. Cock-sucker is used curiously for aggressively obnoxious men; the ancients would have understood the difference between passive and active roles; Catullus, writing of his boss, employs the useful L. insult irrumator, which means "someone who forces others to give him oral sex," hence "one who treats people with contempt." Cocky "arrogantly pert" (1768) originally meant "lecherous" (16c.); modern sense of "vain" is 18c. A cocker spaniel (1823) was trained to start woodcocks. Cock-and-bull is first recorded 1621, perhaps an allusion to Aesop's fables, with their incredible talking animals, or to a particular story, now forgotten. Fr. has parallel expression coq-à-l'âne.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 03-26-2005, 12:59 AM:
 
My parents like "Deadwood," but my mother jokingly calls it "Cursewood."
 
Posted by Dean Kollet (Member # 1789) on 03-26-2005, 09:55 AM:
 
well, the Latin word (if I remember correctly) for 'to make, or do' is facio. Pronounced fack-e-o. the imperitive form is fac (you know how to say it). If I were to command you in Latin, I would use fac to tell you to make, or "do" something.

Words like this have exsisted, but I don't know about most of the other ones, I just have a hard time believing they talked like that all the time.
 
Posted by Rick Raskin (Member # 1561) on 03-26-2005, 11:00 AM:
 
A truely great show and one of three reasons keep HBO. The other two being Carnivale and The Sopranos. Charlie Utter and Sol Star are also factual characters in Deadwood.

[ 03-26-2005, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: Rick Raskin ]
 
Posted by Adam Wilbert (Member # 1184) on 03-28-2005, 08:32 PM:
 
I picked up season one a few weeks ago and absolutely love it. The language is a bit much sometimes, but after a while I've found it to be simply amusing (particularly the episode about Wu's dead dope couriers). Overall I feel that it gives a prety accurate depiction of the west. Theres dirt and mud, brothels and booze everywhere. I've watched too many westerns and civil war movies where there is no dust or grime... Not to mention the top-notch performances all around, which is more than I can say for most everything else on TV.
 
Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 03-30-2005, 08:43 AM:
 
The new character, "Mr W", is the same actor that played Wild Bill's assassin
 
Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 04-17-2005, 05:18 PM:
 
Deadwood

The Number of Fucks In Deadwood
HBO's series Deadwood had a reputation for salty dialogue even before the first episode aired. It was nearly impossible, they said, to keep count of the number of f-words spoken during each program. We took it as a challenge.

Total fucks in series: 1406
Cumulative series FPM: 1.41

Total fucks in Season Two: 575
Average fucks per episode: 95.8
Cumulative Season Two FPM: 1.78

Total fucks in Season One: 831
Average fucks per episode: 69.3
Cumulative Season One FPM: 1.23



Episode Eighteen "Something Very Expensive"

Fucks per ten minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 7
Minutes 10 thru 19: 20
Minutes 20 thru 29: 26
Minutes 30 thru 39: 17
Minutes 40 thru 49: 23
Minutes 50 thru 57: 5

Total fucks in Episode Eighteen: 98
Fucks per minute (FPM)*: 1.72

*57 minute episode

Cumulative fucks in series: 1406
Cumulative FPM: 1.41

Total cocksuckers in Episode Eighteen: 9
Ratio of fucks to cocksuckers: 10.9 : 1

Episode Seventeen "Complications"

Fucks per ten minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 11
Minutes 10 thru 19: 6
Minutes 20 thru 29: 17
Minutes 30 thru 39: 49
Minutes 40 thru 49: 29
Minutes 50 thru 57: 9

Total fucks in Episode Seventeen: 121
Fucks per minute (FPM)*: 2.12

*57 minute episode

Cumulative fucks in series: 1308
Cumulative FPM: 1.39

Total cocksuckers in Episode Seventeen: 6
Ratio of fucks to cocksuckers: 20.1 : 1

Episode Sixteen "Requiem For A Gleet"

Fucks per ten minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 5
Minutes 10 thru 19: 20
Minutes 20 thru 29: 11
Minutes 30 thru 39: 18
Minutes 40 thru 49: 21
Minutes 50 thru 52: 13

Total fucks in Episode Sixteen: 88
Fucks per minute (FPM)*: 1.69

*52 minute episode

Cumulative fucks in series: 1187
Cumulative FPM: 1.34

Total cocksuckers in Episode Sixteen: 14
Ratio of fucks to cocksuckers: 6.3 : 1

Episode Fifteen "New Money"

Fucks per ten minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 6
Minutes 10 thru 19: 1
Minutes 20 thru 29: 24
Minutes 30 thru 39: 19
Minutes 40 thru 49: 26
Minutes 50 thru 58: 15

Total fucks in Episode Fifteen: 91
Fucks per minute (FPM)*: 1.57

*58 minute episode

Cumulative fucks in series: 1099
Cumulative FPM: 1.32

Total cocksuckers in Episode Fifteen: 8
Ratio of fucks to cocksuckers: 11.4 : 1

Episode Fourteen "A Lie Agreed Upon, Part 2"

Fucks per ten minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 11
Minutes 10 thru 19: 19
Minutes 20 thru 29: 16
Minutes 30 thru 39: 36
Minutes 40 thru 50: 29

Total fucks in Episode Fourteen: 111
Fucks per minute (FPM)*: 2.22

*50 minute episode

Cumulative fucks in series: 1008
Cumulative FPM: 1.30

Total cocksuckers in Episode Fourteen: 15
Ratio of fucks to cocksuckers: 7.4 : 1

Episode Thirteen "A Lie Agreed Upon, Part 1"

Fucks per ten-minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 4
Minutes 10 thru 19: 20
Minutes 20 thru 29: 16
Minutes 30 thru 39: 22
Minutes 40 thru 49: 4

Total fucks in Episode Thirteen: 66
Fucks per minute (FPM)*: 1.35

*49 minute episode

Cumulative fucks in series: 897
Cumulative FPM: 1.24

Total cocksuckers in Episode Thirteen: 8
Ratio of fucks to cocksuckers: 8.25 : 1

Season One Recap

Episode Twelve "Sold Under Sin"

Fucks per ten-minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 1
Minutes 10 thru 19: 18
Minutes 20 thru 29: 6
Minutes 30 thru 39: 10
Minutes 40 thru 49: 2
Minutes 50 thru 60: 4

Total fucks in Episode Twelve: 41
Fucks per minute (FPM): 0.683

Cumulative fucks in series: 831
Cumulative FPM: 1.23

Episode Eleven "Jewel's Boot Is Made For Walking"

Fucks per ten-minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 7
Minutes 10 thru 19: 7
Minutes 20 thru 29: 11
Minutes 30 thru 39: 13
Minutes 40 thru 49: 6
Minutes 50 thru 60: 59

Total fucks in Episode Eleven: 103
Fucks per minute (FPM): 1.72

Cumulative fucks in series: 790
Cumulative FPM: 1.28

Episode Ten "Mr. Wu"

Fucks per ten-minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 10
Minutes 10 thru 19: 19
Minutes 20 thru 29: 26
Minutes 30 thru 39: 48
Minutes 40 thru 49: 27
Minutes 50 thru 54: 3

Total fucks in Episode Ten: 133
Fucks per minute (FPM)*: 2.46

*54 minute episode

Cumulative fucks in series: 687
Cumulative FPM: 1.24

Episode Nine "No Other Sons Or Daughters"

Fucks per ten-minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 9
Minutes 10 thru 19: 22
Minutes 20 thru 29: 11
Minutes 30 thru 39: 31
Minutes 40 thru 49: 2
Minutes 50 thru 58: 13

Total fucks in Episode Nine: 88
Fucks per minute (FPM)*: 1.52

*58 minute episode

Cumulative fucks in series: 554
Cumulative FPM: 1.11

Episode Eight "Suffer The Little Children"

Fucks per ten-minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 18
Minutes 10 thru 19: 26
Minutes 20 thru 29: 8
Minutes 30 thru 39: 11
Minutes 40 thru 49: 24
Minutes 50 thru 55: 5

Total fucks in Episode Eight: 92
Fucks per minute (FPM)*: 1.67

*55 minute episode

Cumulative fucks in series: 466
Cumulative FPM: 1.05

Episode Seven "Bullock Returns To The Camp"

Fucks per ten-minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 3
Minutes 10 thru 19: 21
Minutes 20 thru 29: 10
Minutes 30 thru 39: 8
Minutes 40 thru 50: 25

Total fucks in Episode Seven: 67
Fucks per minute (FPM)*: 1.34

*50 minute episode

Cumulative fucks in series: 374
Cumulative FPM: 0.964

Episode Six "Plague"

Fucks per ten-minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 4
Minutes 10 thru 19: 19
Minutes 20 thru 29: 12
Minutes 30 thru 39: 23
Minutes 40 thru 49: 10
Minutes 50 thru 51: 9

Total fucks in Episode Six: 77
Fucks per minute (FPM)*: 1.51

*51 minute episode

Cumulative fucks in series: 307
Cumulative FPM: 0.908

Episode Five "The Trial Of Jack McCall"

Fucks per ten-minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 10
Minutes 10 thru 19: 5
Minutes 20 thru 29: 7
Minutes 30 thru 39: 8
Minutes 40 thru 49: 4
Minutes 50 thru 55: 6

Total fucks in Episode Five: 40
Fucks per minute (FPM)*: 0.727

*55 minute episode

Cumulative fucks in series: 230
Cumulative FPM: 0.801

Episode Four "Here Was A Man"

Fucks per ten-minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 4
Minutes 10 thru 19: 3
Minutes 20 thru 29: 3
Minutes 30 thru 39: 12
Minutes 40 thru 49: 4
Minutes 50 thru 52: 0

Total fucks in Episode Four: 26
Fucks per minute (FPM): 0.433

Cumulative fucks in series: 190
Cumulative FPM: 0.819

Episode Three "Reconnoitering the Rim"

Fucks per ten-minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 5
Minutes 10 thru 19: 12
Minutes 20 thru 29: 20
Minutes 30 thru 39: 6
Minutes 40 thru 49: 11
Minutes 50 thru 52: 6

Total fucks in Episode Three: 60
Fucks per minute (FPM)*: 1.15

* 52 minute episode

Cumulative fucks in series: 164
Cumulative FPM: 0.953

Episode Two "Deep Water"

Fucks per ten-minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 3
Minutes 10 thru 19: 4
Minutes 20 thru 29: 14
Minutes 30 thru 39: 16
Minutes 40 thru 49: 7
Minutes 50 thru 60: 5

Total fucks in Episode Two: 49
Fucks per minute (FPM): 0.817

Cumulative fucks in series: 104
Cumulative FPM: 0.867

Episode One "Deadwood"

Fucks per ten-minute segment

Minutes 0 thru 9: 12
Minutes 10 thru 19: 9
Minutes 20 thru 29: 3
Minutes 30 thru 39: 21
Minutes 40 thru 49: 9
Minutes 50 thru 60: 1

Total fucks in Episode One: 55
Fucks per minute (FPM): 0.917

Cumulative fucks in series: 55
Cumulative FPM: 0.917
 
Posted by Sam D. Chavez (Member # 1841) on 04-19-2005, 01:20 AM:
 
Ah, my favorite show. We have a group here that watches each episode at least two or three times with Tivo no less to pick up all the nuance.

The language is the language. It does not bother me a bit as I went to Oakland inner city schools and the Key System buses where I lost all sensitivity to MF and any and all derivatives.

I do doubt these were the actual cusswords, but I'm sure there were others just as good.

Let's not forget, at least in part it's comedy or farce.

How about "The Wire"?
 
Posted by Stephen Frazza (Member # 2320) on 04-21-2005, 02:13 AM:
 
Just started watchin this show and all I can say is;

Fuckin Awesome!!

quote: Sam D. Chavez
How about "The Wire"?
And Sam,
The Wire is easily 1 of the best shows on tv now.It takes tv series in long form storytelling to a new level.
 
Posted by Dylan Marchetti (Member # 2764) on 05-21-2005, 12:55 PM:
 
I think it's one of the best-written shows on television today- the language is pretty much pure poetry whenever someone opens their mouth, and I have read enough to lead me to believe that is how people actually did talk back then in the "Wild West".

The acting's improved signficantly this season, as well...I'm a Sopranos nut, but this may be the best series on tv right now.
 
Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 07-03-2005, 09:55 PM:
 
Just finally started watching it and love it. I start laughing anytime someone says cocksucker. The language doesn't bother me at all, whereas it bothered me in Pulp Fiction etc.
 
Posted by Olivia Coleman (Member # 3193) on 07-04-2005, 09:49 AM:
 
I caught the first episode when it first aired and have been hooked ever since. The language doesn't bother me at all. Use to work in a bar!

I can't wait till season 3 starts to see what's in store for everyone.
 
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