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Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 02-28-2005, 04:42 PM:

One of the first true (native) HD display units for the home.
A Samsung LT-P468W 46" LCD that has a real 1920 x 1080P display

http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/LCD/ltp468w.asp

I've heard there is another unit out there, but I haven't found it yet.

I've seen street prices at around $5000-5500 for the Samsung

Posted by Don Cross (Member # 2980) on 02-28-2005, 06:32 PM:

A friend on mine presently in Eastern Japan has stated that he noticed three seperate models which are being offered in that market. Given their broadcast signals and also the difference in voltages it would be unlikely that they'd work here.

Posted by Adam Wilbert (Member # 1184) on 02-28-2005, 07:24 PM:

Do LCD HD-TVs have the same dead pixel problems that plague LCD computer monitors, where a couple of stuck (white, black, or even pink) pixels are common even in new monitors? I'm assuming they do. Samsung recently announced a "no dead pixel" policy for their pc line-up... I wonder if the same applies to this monster?!

Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 02-28-2005, 07:39 PM:

The latest issue of The Perfect Vision says there's a bunch of true 1920x1080 displays coming out starting this spring. Sony had one of the first, priced at a whopping $10K or something like that.

Yes, LCD TVs have the dead pixel issue. One of the first rear-projection LCD models I saw on display at Circuit City (which happened to be a Sony) had a pixel stuck on. Once I spotted it, I couldn't NOT look at it. Supposedly manufacturing techniques have improved to the point where dead pixels aren't the problem they used to be. Anyway there's NO WAY IN HELL that anyone should have to put up with ANY dead pixels after shelling out thousands of $$ for HDTV.

Posted by Greg Mueller (Member # 17) on 02-28-2005, 07:48 PM:

What I'm wanting to see is a plasma display with the same rez. It's got to be on the heels of the LCDs. I don't think I'd want dead or stuck pixels either.

Posted by Sam Graham (Member # 2889) on 02-28-2005, 09:59 PM:

It has also been recently reported that Texas Instruments' 1920x1080 DLP chip is ready for mass production.

It's expected that high-end 1080p DLP projectors will start appearing on the market next year.

I'm actually already watching HDTV broadcasts letterboxed on my old 27-inch Magnavox, thanks to a DirecTV HDTV tuner, largely for the benefit of the occasional 5.1 Dolby broadcast. That was pretty cool during Fox football broadcasts this past season.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-03-2005, 07:13 PM:

Sam,

How does the HD look down converted to 525 NTSC? Do you notice many artifacts?

Mark

Posted by Sam Graham (Member # 2889) on 03-04-2005, 09:53 PM:

Not so much letterboxed, but definitely so if I switch to standard image size where the left and right side are cropped off. Otherwise, about all you notice at all compared to analog is an improvement in sharpness and color depth, but I attribute most of that to new equipment on the HD side and the raw transmitter feed vs. the DTV-compressed delivered counterparts.

The audio is the key improvement for me, even if it's not a 5.1 broadcast. Our CBS affiliate, which can't yet pass 5.1 (new board is on the way though), has some buzzing and such on their standard channel that is completely gone on the HD side. And our Fox affiliate, which broadcasts in mono via a compression limiter that makes their dead spots sound like a gasp for breath, is passing the Fox HD feed directly at the transmitter.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-05-2005, 03:17 AM:

CBS has some decent 5.1, but they have yet to learn to do it as well as Fox does it. So far they seem to be the best. My NBC affiliate is not in 5.1. Does anyone get NBC in 5.1 or do they have yet to conform? I also hate NBC's stupid weather channel which takes bandwidth from the HD signal, making artifacting even worse!

Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 03-05-2005, 10:00 AM:

When The Tonight Show started taping in HD there was no way to record a 5.1 mix onto D5HD tape, so they continued to mix in good ol' Dolby Stereo. Don't know if they've since come up with a way to do 5.1 on that show. Also don't know if any other NBC video-originated shows are airing in 5.1. The sports guys seem to be leading the way on this.

CBS will switch The Late Show to HD production later this year.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 03-05-2005, 06:51 PM:

I saw the buzz about "1080p" resolution displays a couple months ago, during the Winter CES show in Las Vegas. All I can say is, "it's about damned time!"

Still, I'm not going to be buying one anytime soon. I'll wait for maybe another year or two before replacing my 32" RCA TV set. There's more important purchases in my way of buying an HD set, such as a notebook computer, an Adobe Studio CS2 upgrade, a new desktop PC (or perhaps even a Mac) and also some new tires for my truck. I also want to be sure that by the time I'm ready to purchase an HDTV most, if not all, of the product offered will feature native 1080 X 1920 pixel displays. Anything less is just stupid.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 03-05-2005, 07:03 PM:

Bobby, why not get an Infocus or Christie DLP projector with a 600x800 fixed pixel resolution? It's just as good.. [Roll Eyes]

Posted by Pravin Ratnam (Member # 1417) on 03-06-2005, 02:15 AM:

SONY has a new line (SXRD) soon to be out. Now word on the prices, but looks very promising.

http://www.qualia.sony.us/qualia_main.cgi

Posted by Sam Graham (Member # 2889) on 03-06-2005, 08:16 PM:

quote: Joe Redifer
CBS has some decent 5.1, but they have yet to learn to do it as well as Fox does it. So far they seem to be the best. My NBC affiliate is not in 5.1. Does anyone get NBC in 5.1 or do they have yet to conform?

My NBC is broadcasting one of the Law & Order shows right now in 5.1. Non 5.1 NBC content (commercials and programs not broadcasting in 5.1) automatically kick to matrix surround. Local inserts kick to Dolby Digital 2.0.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 03-06-2005, 08:36 PM:

Lots of HD here in Salt Lake City, CBS, ABC, NBC, two PBS Channels, Warner Bros, Fox and just about all of it looks alot better than NTSC, even the stuff bumped up from NTCS looks better. The sound varies but all are passable. The Tonight show looks and sounds really good. By the time they get HD for Letterman he will have retired! All in all it can only get better as time goes on.....

Mark