quote: Joe Redifer

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...zany...

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Zany? ZANY! I've not heard that word in years! You're cracking me up, Joe. WTF do you come up with all this stuff?
 

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Posted by Lyle Romer (Member # 1266) on 07-26-2005, 07:19 PM:
 
Oh, how I love outtakes!!! They are soooooo funny and entertaining. I hadn't thought of it before but they can turn this whole attendance decline around by showing outtakes instead of the movie! [/sarcasm]

I think I've watched DVD outtakes one time a while ago because I was very bored. It's the same as watching those stupid blooper shows. One actor messes up the line and then all the actors crack up. Man, that's funny!
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 07-26-2005, 07:56 PM:
 
Hello there all Star Wars fans

Wow I’m all JBL and THX ready, and more for this eventful showdown and if Joe is Zany, then I guess I’m Wacko then….

Joe, get one of those (Darth Vader) masks and your sorted…

Get the picture, Taking over the world!

[ 09-18-2005, 07:10 PM: Message edited by: Andy Summers ]
 

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Posted by Bill Gabel (Member # 1105) on 09-19-2005, 10:57 AM:
 
Alittle JBL / THX bump to the top.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 09-19-2005, 03:10 PM:
 
You bet and I’m fully JBL THX ready watching WILLOW at the moment softy as I’m on the pc but there’s plenty of JBL sound power, hear to make the ODEON Westover Road with there behind the times ALTEC A-4 screen speakers seam shamelessly fit for a firing squad…..

Adam’

oh cheers

Meow…! I did like “CATWOMAN” though …

[ 09-19-2005, 05:15 PM: Message edited by: Andy Summers ]
 

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Posted by Kurt Zupin (Member # 2751) on 09-19-2005, 07:25 PM:
 
Andy all your credibility is now gone with you admitting to liking the fest that is known as CATWOMAN
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 09-20-2005, 11:33 AM:
 
Kurt’

Meow

I only like the six-track Dolby mix, nothing more oh and the film score sounds ok, it’s only movie, what’s the big deal, so it shouldn’t have been made point taken…

Meow….
 

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Posted by Kurt Zupin (Member # 2751) on 09-20-2005, 05:28 PM:
 
I was joking around with you Andy. Meow?!?!
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 09-21-2005, 12:01 PM:
 
No VHS release. Nice!

Still have a crappy pan/scan version on DVD available though. Urg!
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 09-21-2005, 04:00 PM:
 
Andy, my THX digital surround sound JBL SPL home theater surround sound is better than yours.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 09-21-2005, 06:51 PM:
 
Joe’

What’s this then, I hear bragging…..

No, no here’s looking at you, kid….

I tell you what I’ll leave a link and you can see my Home Cinema via a different site, where imaging isn’t a problem, you say when and I’ll leave a link…..


Anyway I have college in the morning, so if I have any time in the day I may log on at “The College” “Bournemouth & Poole” studying access media, anything to do with the arts live performance cinema radio and crummy TV, film is the original and will all ways be the original moving talking media….

Catch you later, bye, bye...
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 09-22-2005, 04:55 AM:
 
Sorry Andy, but I've got THX in each speaker. You fail. I win.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 09-22-2005, 06:22 AM:
 
Joe’

WOW I’m totally overwhelmed, so Mr I know it all, as you have stated in the past I know it all, what does “THX” stand for then…..?

Oh well plan “B” lets just shout it out then shall we LOL…..

 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 09-22-2005, 02:21 PM:
 
It stands for: Andy Summers home theater system really sux!

I use Kimber cable, which means I don't need to EQ.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 09-23-2005, 07:41 AM:
 
Joe’

Good for you THX Tomlinson Holman Experiment or “X-over”

I know you only playing around, doesn’t mater though “Kimber” cable is that better than “Monster” Cable which is naff I hear well these are the rumours that I have been hearing all over the home cinema forums, not sure if there is some truth behind these accusations….
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 09-23-2005, 09:28 PM:
 

quote:

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It stands for: Andy Summers home theater system really sux!

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I'd figure the guitarist for The Police would be able to afford a good home sound system. Maybe he blew all his $$$ on guitar synthesizers.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 09-24-2005, 12:02 AM:
 
Andy Summers do u play guitar for the Police?
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 09-24-2005, 06:55 AM:
 
Joe’ and Bobby…

You guys are cracking me up, LOL……

Leonard Nimoy’ once wrote a book called “I am not Spock…”

“I am not Andy Summers…”

Tied to the tracks and the train's fast coming
Strapped to the wing with the engine running
You say that this wasn't in your plan
Don't mess around with the demolition man

Tied to a chair, and the bomb is ticking
This situation was not of your picking
You say that this wasn't in your plan
Don't mess around with the demolition man

I'm a walking nightmare, an arsenal of doom
I kill conversation as I walk into the room
I'm a three line whip, I'm the sort of thing they ban
I'm a walking disaster, I'm a demolition man

Tied to a chair, and the bomb is ticking
This situation was not of your picking
You say that this wasn't in your plan
Don't mess around with the demolition man

You come to me like a moth to the flame
It's love you need but I don't play that game
'Cause you could be my greatest fan
But I'm nobody's friend, I'm a demolition man

I'm a walking nightmare, an arsenal of doom
I kill conversation as I walk into the room
I'm a three line whip, I'm the sort of thing they ban
I'm a walking disaster, I'm a demolition man

Demolition man
 

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Posted by Pete Naples (Member # 761) on 09-24-2005, 01:00 PM:
 
I'll have a couple of pints of what he's having!
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 09-24-2005, 01:42 PM:
 
Pete’

You sound like you what some of the good stuff, well I’ll be honest I don’t drink, just give some Robinsons summer fruits and I’m there….

Well I’ve just pooped in to see what’s going down on “STAR WARS EPISODE 3” as I’m at present doing an assignment for college, you know where you are asked to produce something with 3000 to 5000 words etc, etc, along with images facts as well….

All this information can be based on

1# Primary research - where you generate the information
VS
2# Secondary research –someone else as published the information

The list is ongoing, anyway, so I’m just taking a break at the moment and time for dinner to, as I’m close to swing from the chandler, hehehe LOL, the project assignment is called “The Art of Visual Effects” from past to present going though all the aspects of the journey, WOW that was cool, I like those words, I’ll think I’ll incorporate some of them into it….

So its getting closer now, I feel a disturbance in the Force, October 31st 2005 is only 37 days away, and with college, time fly’s by like there no tomorrow, but there is and it helps, it helps because you’re focused on what you are doing.

You know I’ve read that “TITANIC” as been postponed to a later date in October, well that’s just typical and it will be no surprise if “STAR WARS EPISODE 3” was pushed forward, due to what I believe in is clashing with another realise within the same week or time frame…..

I’ll be waiting for both, anyway you’ll have to excuse me the pasta is done and, I’ll continue this in a short while….WOW that wasn’t long though some of wished it was, so I think that’s it for today after doing some 6 typing and research as well, I’ll continue tomorrow…

And I think I’ll take a break and pop on over to see a friend, so Bon voyage…

I'm a walking nightmare, an arsenal of doom
I kill conversation as I walk into the room
I'm a three line whip, I'm the sort of thing they ban
I'm a walking disaster, I'm a demolition man
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 09-24-2005, 05:01 PM:
 
Do u feel bad that u r not as popular as Sting?
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 09-24-2005, 06:38 PM:
 

quote: Actual unedited Andy Summers

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I’ve just pooped in

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quote: Joe Redifer

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Do u feel bad that u r not as popular as Sting?

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Sting is popular? All I know is Andy is not quite as tall (or thin either).



Do have to give Sting points for making some DTS CD versions of his albums, as well as the Police Greatist Hits CD. What this has to do with Star Wars Episode III I certainly don't know. But it seems more interesting to discuss!
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 09-25-2005, 07:47 AM:
 
Arr, I was only doing the music as a means to buy myself a “George Lucas” “THX” sound system……and now I’m just waiting with only 36 days to go I’m going to bee buzzing of the vibes of “THX” and “STAR WARS EPISODE 3.”
Every breath you take
Every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
I'll be watching you.

Every single day
Every word you say
Every game you play
Every night you stay
I'll be watching you.

Oh can't you see
You belong to me?
How my poor heart aches with every step you take.

Every move you make
Every vow you break
Every smile you fake
Every claim you stake
I'll be watching you.

Since you've gone I've been lost without a trace.
I dream at night, I can only see your face.
I look around but it's you I can't replace.
I keep crying baby, baby please..................

Every move you make
Every vow you break
Every smile you fake
Every claim you stake
I'll be watching you.

Every move you make
Every vow you break
Every smile you fake
Every claim you stake
I'll be watching you.......

 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 09-25-2005, 01:57 PM:
 
I think I hear the "copyright police" sniffing about.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 09-25-2005, 02:55 PM:
 

 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 09-25-2005, 05:49 PM:
 
Meow, I like cats, meow LOL

C3-PO
-We’re doomed, this madness-

You don't have to put on the red light
Those days are over
You don't have to sell your body to the night

Roxanne
You don't have to wear that dress tonight
Walk the streets of money
You don't care if it's wrong or if it's right

Roxanne
You don't have to put on the red light
Roxanne
You don't have to put on the red light

Roxanne (Put on the red light)
Roxanne (Put on the red light)
Roxanne (Put on the red light)
Roxanne (Put on the red light)
Roxanne (Put on the red light)
Roxanne

I loved you since I knew you
I wouldn't talk down to you
I have you to tell just how I feel
I won't share you with another boy

I know my mind is made up
So put away your make up
Told you once I won't tell you again
It's a bad way

Roxanne
You don't have to put on the red light
Roxanne
You don't have to put on the red light

Roxanne (Put on the red light)
Roxanne (Put on the red light)
Roxanne (Put on the red light)

 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 09-25-2005, 08:46 PM:
 
That is, by far, my least favorite Police song of all time. I hate it. It has no melodical qualities. The singing is horrific. One of the worst songs of all time. Anyone who likes the song deserves to get Hepatitus B and die.
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 09-25-2005, 10:02 PM:
 

quote: Andy Summers

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Meow, I like cats, meow LOL

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...

Actually I really enjoy reading these posts. I look forward to the day that Andy and Gordon get into a discussion about something. (No offense meant to either, of course.)
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 09-25-2005, 11:01 PM:
 
Hey Andy...



...now you figure out why.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 09-26-2005, 06:09 AM:
 
Brad’

WOW, I’m honed to receive this Award, I like to thank the Academy, mom my dad LOL…..

Figure it out Brad’ I’ve got college tonight, I have a cold and you win I lose….

Anymore jokes Brad’ anyway “I am not Andy Summers!
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Mark’

Sorry if you look a little lost there, yeah I haven’t spoken to Gordon’ for quite a while now, fascinating chap…

Anyway 35 days to go now…STAR WARS EPISODE 3 arr the Dolby 5.1-EX THX feeling arr….
 

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Posted by Jesse Skeen (Member # 586) on 09-26-2005, 01:40 PM:
 
Every Breath You Take is the most overrated Police song. It certainly didn't deserve to be the #1 song. That was back when the charts still sort of mattered too- I don't even know what the #1 song is right now.

What was the subject of this thread again?
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 09-26-2005, 05:47 PM:
 
Jesse’

Hallo nice to see, to see you nice…

Don’t pay any attention to this madness, no more lyrics from me this week, well maybe next week…

I think the joke on me. Anyway tonight saw a live puppet performance, at the college fascinating and one of the techniques that I liked was blacking out the stage, while the puppeteers give the puppets a more live feeling.

When I saw this I remember hearing about the (BUNRAKU puppet theatre) in Japan, where they blackout the stage, with careful lighting, lighting just the puppets was fun.

Very interesting more so than film, with film its simply just there, to take audiences to places that are too fantastic or too dangerous, and so my friends only 34 days now to “STAR WARS EPISODE 3” getting exciting now.

 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 09-27-2005, 12:24 AM:
 

quote: Jesse

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What was the subject of this thread again?

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Your mom.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-02-2005, 03:49 PM:
 
WOW 28 days to go now hehehe….stuff the ABC Westover Road, call that a presentation, sound like an ole vitaphone recording system….

28 days and counting…..

 

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Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 10-02-2005, 07:08 PM:
 
28 days left to get SBC Yahoo! DSL for just $14.95/month for 12 months!
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-06-2005, 05:48 PM:
 
24 days to go now…I’m really getting excited, watching “ALIEN” at the present moment and listening to the production sound track on the DVD WOW this fantastic.

“The son of a bitch is huge it’s like a man….”
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-06-2005, 06:15 PM:
 
I can't wait to illegally PIRATE this movie, watch it once, and then DELETE it! It's the same as renting, but without the PITA.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-06-2005, 06:51 PM:
 
Which one that’s Joe’ Star Wars or Alien….

“The son of a bitch is huge it’s like a man…it's big..."
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-06-2005, 07:45 PM:
 
What the hell are you talking about? Don't make me BAN you for being unintelligible.
 

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Posted by Adam Wilbert (Member # 1184) on 10-06-2005, 08:29 PM:
 
...or for faking a signature line. But mostly for being unintelligible
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-08-2005, 11:50 AM:
 
22 days “Jedi-Blaster-Lightsabers” THX
 

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Posted by Adam Wilbert (Member # 1184) on 10-09-2005, 04:25 PM:
 
21 days yoda wookie cookie monster
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-09-2005, 04:44 PM:
 
Anyone remember the 20th anniversary 1997 Star Wars reissue trailers?

quote:

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"See Star Wars the way it was meant to be seen..." (This was referring to people watching it on video.)

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Ummmm no, apparently it is now meant to be seen in 3D!

I do find it humorous that Andy Summers will not be watching Star Wars in theaters 3 weeks fromnow, as George Lucas intended. Shame on you Andy.
 

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Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 10-09-2005, 07:27 PM:
 
I think Andy should be a true star wars fan and go wait in line for the remaining 3 weeks for the dvd.
 

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Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 10-10-2005, 03:16 AM:
 
Winners of the 2005 Ig Nobel Peace Prize: 'Claire Rind and Peter Simmons of Newcastle University, in the U.K., for electrically monitoring the activity of a brain cell in a locust while that locust was watching selected highlights from the movie "Star Wars." '
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/biol/research/psychology/nsg/insectvision/projects-3.html
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-10-2005, 03:11 PM:
 
Sonic Whole Overhead Sound now installed and ready for “Star Wars episode 3” at the present moment I’m testing her out, and she works lovely, this totally immerses you in a cocoon of sound, this may not be the final leap in Dolby Digital surround-EX, but it sure makes the movie experience more fun at home than most cinemas.

“Mission to Mars” “We Where Soldiers” all work out just fine, as do a few others with split-surrounds, anyway 20 days to go now, I like round numbers…

Well I guess that makes my home THX cinema 8.1 now, with a few extra left centre and right centre channels to be installed in the near future….WOW.

Mike'

No I’m not a true Star Wars fan, what I mean by that is I don’t dress up in costumes and hang around cinemas day in and day out like all the rest, I simple like the films as a science fiction film media, nothing more and nothing less, as for the sound design and mixing techniques on all six films, yes I like raving about that, same goes with “Glory.”


 

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Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 10-10-2005, 03:47 PM:
 

quote: Andy Summers

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Sonic Whole Overhead Sound now installed and ready for “Star Wars episode 3

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Just curious, Andy. Has the DVD been specifically encoded for this? If not, then are you truly playing back this feature in the manner that George Lucas wants you to? And are you using only a THX-certified component/speaker for the overhead (matrixed channel from the L-R "EX") channels? If not, than that would kinda render your THX system rather non-certifiable (unlike a certain someone we know .
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-10-2005, 06:58 PM:
 

quote: Andy Summers

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Well I guess that makes my home THX cinema 8.1 now

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quote: Bobby Henderson

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If there's corn chunks it, how can it still be diarrhea?

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quote: Bobby Henderson

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Either way, with how that BM was described I strongly recommend a thorough shower with lots of soap and scrubbing. Paper alone won't wipe away a mess like that.

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Wipe away? Paper? What are you talking about?
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-11-2005, 04:22 AM:
 
Your disgusting man well let me see, around 1994 I saw “Maverick” at the newly refitted Warner West End now called “VUE” the “THX” sound system in that auditorium was just way too bright sounding not much low end, and worse it failed to impress me. Unlike the “Empire” and “High Wycombe 6” the Warner also had sound system problems that day with what sounded like the audio leads been disconnected thus creating loud buzz and humming and thumping sound, “the audience was laughing….”

Well we all know that the “THX 3417” cross-over is nothing more than a high tech electronic cross-over network system, I also heard that some “THX” cinemas lost there licence due to noisy “AC” is one of them, and the rest is just cinema politics.

Now as to the question of home “THX” that some issue you have brought up lots of people disagree with home “THX” and those us that agree with the technical standards understand, mate I’ve worked for two cinemas hear in the UK in the past, something I wouldn’t mind doing again if one would arise.

Now Joe’ what you think about the use of adding matrix decoders on to Dolby Digital for extracting an extra channel or as I would plainly put it, tacking away this the disorientation, where in the past and I noticed slight confession between the split-surrounds, this is where the modification of the Dolby CP-45, correct me if that is wrong, helps making the spilt-surrounds more open, wider etc, etc.

Anyway I got to get back to my class mow, bye, bye…….19 days to go LOL

 

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Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 10-11-2005, 01:24 PM:
 

quote: Joe Redifer

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I can't believe people count MATRIXED channels as part of the whole 5.1, 6.1, 7.1 etc thing.

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Maybe because Dolby considers matrixed channels as true channels.

From the Dolby website :

Dolby Digital Surround EX brings even more realistic surround effects, with added dimension and depth. It adds a third surround channel the Dolby Digital format (making it, in effect, 6.1), reproduced through speakers on the rear walls of the cinema."
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-11-2005, 02:09 PM:
 
Paul’

Yeah if you think about it, the signals within the Dolby SA-10

http://www.kinoteam.de/kt/image/big/dol_sa10_innen.jpg

must have a few more things up it sleeve, and I’m a believer and know that I will be getting a signal from the height surrounds, or “Sonic Whole Overhead Sound” and if using Dolby matrix decoding processors to extract extra information that sounds different, then I see no wrong in it, if it’s an ancient technology and it works, then why not use it...

I was running center back surround in my home cinema, nearly 1 year before I read about it for cinema application, as well as specking to a Dolby technician based at the New York office about the idea of using a Dolby pro-logic decoder with my Millennium dts 2.4.6 decoder, the technician understood what I was saying by making it more exciting and drawing the audience into the film just a little bit more.

But my original idea consisted of five surround loudspeakers for the back, and multi layout of the side array, and the height surround was there to use back around 1998, though I never gave it any thought, but now I’m looking to find ways to add on or improve the film, like “cross over height surround” this is another idea that I have worked out, when I was watching Goldeneye dts 5.1 SS THX Laserdisc, side 1 chapter 24, I thought wait a second I’ve got a plan, and after drawing a few diagrams came up with what I call “cross over height surround” which is completely different to “Sonic Whole Overhead Sound.”

So why am I playing with "Sonic Whole Overhead Sound” and not “cross over height surround” simple fact is I don’t have enough Dolby matrix decoders to do this at the present moment, I need matching decoders and a few more stereo amplifiers EQ’s to make this doable.

Well all I have to do is keep checking the second hand shops for some matching AVR, as some home cinema users get rid of them at the silliest prices, bring it on, if I can make it work for say around £200.00 0r less not bad at all…..I will be patient.

Getting close now 19 days....
 

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Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 10-11-2005, 04:01 PM:
 

quote: Andy Summers

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Dolby matrix decoding processors to extract extra information that sounds different, then I see no wrong in it

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Keep in mind the key word here is "decoding," which means to pull out something that was encoded in the first place. Anything else is not part of the intended mix.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-11-2005, 04:07 PM:
 
If it's not discrete, then the number value should not be increased (5.1 to 6.1, etc). They should just say "matrixed to emulate a 6.1 sound" or some shit like that. You are still relying on the bandwidth of two channels to create three or more. Dolby can lick my diarrhea-laden ass if it thinks otherwise.
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-11-2005, 05:52 PM:
 
Dolby Labs mandates the use of "5.1" in terminology to describe Dolby EX soundtracks on DVDs. It is against their advertising guidelines to use 6.1. Dolby EX is not a discrete 6.1 system and thus should not be described as that.

The situation is different regarding Dolby Digital Plus (for use on HD-DVD and Blu Ray Discs). Dolby Digital Plus supports higher bitrates than the 640kb/s maximum of Dolby Digital. It can go as high as 6 megabits per second. Dolby Digital Plus can support the 8 discrete audio channel maximums of HD-DVD and BD and extend farther than that for other formats in the future.

Of course, a Dolby Digital Plus decoder will be yet another thing to put on the checklist of items needed in a new audio-video receiver. Lots of HDMI connections would be at the top of the list.
 

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Posted by Frank Dubrois (Member # 3042) on 10-11-2005, 07:06 PM:
 
I' dont' get' it'. I' have' been' reading' these' posts' for' several' days' now' and' havent' learned' a' thing'. Usually' I' get' something' out' of' reading' these' forums'. Oh' well'.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-11-2005, 08:08 PM:
 
Bobby’

You’re all clued up on this and one the ball as usual, now I can’t speak about what Joe’ said but I think he should consult a Doctor before he overflows the sewers and “Denver” is flooded and overwhelmed with diarrhea. http://www.bangkokhealth.com/cimages/diarrhea02.jpg

Now this is getting some attention, it’s all about spectacular or adding more parts of the room with extra sound, anyway call it what you will, other than this new “Dolby” format, “Dolby Digital Plus” holding up to 8 channels wow, now will this have the left centre and right centre channels or do they have different plans for this.

Anyway Bobby’ do you think you can post a direct glossary link explaining more on “Dolby Digital Plus” sounds good.

Maybe we can have some of the old Todd-Ao films as they where meant to be heard five-screen and split-surrounds, D’oh! Sorry mono surrounds as split-surrounds didn’t come around till mid 1970’s “Superman the movie”, will if they what to remix the film and not give us the original road show event, so be it.

Frank’ sorry you have been left in total confusion, on these issues I trust that you will make heads and tails of all this madness.

One more thing Bobby’ will dts be on the HD-DVD band wagon, with a newer version of dts-ES or will it remain unchanged only with a higher bit rate, oh and why isn’t Dolby implementing this new format into the professional field the cinema, and once again “making films sound better….”
 

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Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 10-11-2005, 11:47 PM:
 

quote: Bobby Henderson

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Dolby Labs mandates the use of "5.1" in terminology to describe Dolby EX soundtracks on DVDs. It is against their advertising guidelines to use 6.1.

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If it's against their advertising policy, then why do they use it on their website?
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-11-2005, 11:55 PM:
 
The Dolby website says "in effect, 6.1".

If you disagree, go find a Dolby EX DVD that says "6.1".
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-12-2005, 01:35 AM:
 
This thread started out irritating, veered over into the realm of disgusting and has now just become irritating again. I vote to close it, just to drive Andy crazy.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-12-2005, 04:40 AM:
 
I say we close it the day before this DVD comes out.
 

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Posted by John Koutsoumis (Member # 1855) on 10-12-2005, 06:13 AM:
 
There should be no surprise to find Cinemas that are "THX certified" to actually be sub-standard in their presentation. I feel that THX never really meant anything on most parts because it's up to management to ensure that it's "THX" 365 days year. Not just when the THX guy is around the corner.

Here in Melbourne THX cinemas are all over the place. Sometimes good then other times bad. And being THX don't bring them more patrons either.

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Andy with our preview cinema setup of a DOLBY CP55, QSC power amps and aaron loudspeakers will knock your digital THX, JBL, SPL down any day. And yes that's without stereo surround!

One thing i don't like about Home Theatre is that apart from the music the rest of the mix sounds fake ie: the sound effects actually sound like sound effects etc rather than being realistic as they are with decent Cinema set up.

Keep in mind the trailers for the re-issues of
Star Wars 4,5 & 6 had that little in the background with voiceover saying " "if this is the way you see Star Wars, you haven't seen them at all..." or something like that.

I just don't understand why they are not available for theatrical distribution.

I suppose instead we just go over to Andy's place and have the experience of our lives
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-12-2005, 12:52 PM:
 

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our preview cinema setup of a DOLBY CP55, QSC power amps and aaron loudspeakers will knock your digital THX, JBL, SPL down any day. [Big Grin] And yes that's without stereo surround!

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If it's against their advertising policy, then why do they use it on their website?

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The argument of it being okay to describe DD-EX as 6.1, 7.1, etc. makes about as much sense as a car stereo fanatic claiming his automobile has 20 channels of sound based solely on his number of amps and speakers. If you're playing a normal red book CD on the thing, you're only playing back 2 discrete channels. Not any more than that.

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Not a good example. Because Dolby EX is being called 6.1 from the viewpoint of an added encoded channel, not because of the fact it uses an additional amps and speakers.
Dolby has consistently referred to their Dolby Stereo optical format as providing 4 channels of sound, yet that only has two tracks.

I'm curious to see the source cited about Dolby's policy regarding EX not being called 6.1. It's still odd they would still be violating that on their own website after all this time.
 

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Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 10-12-2005, 04:09 PM:
 

 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-12-2005, 05:12 PM:
 
Paul, please link to a page where they CLEARLY call EX a 6.1 format.
 

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Posted by John Koutsoumis (Member # 1855) on 10-12-2005, 07:33 PM:
 
Bobby,
I have compared our sound and picture to top end cinemas and home set ups. In my opinion we are just as good and some cases better. Of course there are certain venues here where the sound is superior to ours.
If i had the budget i'd go digital too but being non commercial, and non profit doesn't allow for it.
We always get compliments on our sound whether playing back 35, 16 or video.
One evening I had a cast and crew screening for a short which was to screen in 35mm but somehow the optical sound was printed out of sync to the picture (long story) so that was replaced with Digital Betacam. The guy who did the sound mix at the top end Sound Firm post house was concerned that the sound would be inferior off the digi beta compared to the optical track.
He was quite impressed and mention after the screening " I didn't know it would sound that good".

With our system I like what I hear, i'm not saying that it's the best but for our needs and budget it's damn good.
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-12-2005, 08:40 PM:
 

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I'm curious to see the source cited about Dolby's policy regarding EX not being called 6.1. It's still odd they would still be violating that on their own website after all this time.

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Also, it is important to note that consumers have come to expect the term “5.1” to refer to 5.1 discrete channels of audio (five full-range channels plus a low frequency effects, or LFE, channel). Dolby Digital Surround EX carries 5.1 discrete audio channels with a matrix-encoded Back Surround channel. It is therefore not a true 6.1-channel system, and the term “6.1” should not be used to describe it. Some new formats carry more than 5.1 channels of audio, including 6.1 discrete channels, and it is therefore important to prevent consumer confusion by distinguishing between the 5.1-channel Dolby Digital Surround EX format and true 6.1-channel formats.

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So I’m just going to take a guess will it have five-screen channel and the usual split-surround configuration with Dolby surround-EX including .1 sub bass LFE, sounds like the SDDS 8 format, or will it be left centre right split-surrounds discrete centre back surround and discrete height surround or “Sonic Whole Overhead Sound” with the .1 sub bass LFE, which configuration will it be?

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Paul, The whole point to Dolby surround-EX is to eliminate---(snip)

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Correct me if I’m wrong hear, wasn’t Dolby format 42 the baby boom sub bass track mono? With the release of Superman the movie and the replacement of the 2 remaining tracks well 1 replaced so that they can mix films with what they called split-surrounds, thus leaving one sub bass track playing, as the baby boom was simply playing the same signal and that would present as waste….

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As for the layout for “Dolby Digital Plus” I think we should have five-screen discrete with left and right side surrounds centre back matrix “Sonic Whole Overhead Sound” matrix and .1 sub bass, now that’s more wow and refreshing….

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After visiting a number of AMC movie theater sites... absolute suckage.

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I’ve done a diagram for this; it’s around somewhere, oh yes it’s still in my head

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this sentance is classic. Where is that damn thing? Oh, wait... I never drew it. .

My home set up is a 6.1 deal. I've got the usual 5 speakers, plus 11 ".1" subs. I rule.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-14-2005, 03:29 PM:
 
Bobby’

So it was Dolby format 43, know idea which films on DVD I’m talking about the classic the “Dolby” Stereo 70mm films like “Starman” which format was that, or better still do you have a list comprising all the “Dolby” format 42 and 43 though 42 would have been remixed, that sucks, I think the planning of “Dolby Digital” for the home cinema hasn’t been thought out very well by “Dolby”, tell now with there “Dolby Digital Plus”

What does AMC stand for, “Amateur Movie Cinemas” I thought other projectionists liked other projectionists, well I guess I was wrong, tell you the truth I don’t like ODEON they say there “fanatical about film” now if AMC gets a grade f in your books, the ODEON gets a grade “X” in book for the rest of all time….

Anyway I’m going to fire up the THX sound and watch the last 1hr 20mins of “Kingdom of Heaven” with “Sonic Whole Overhead Sound” LOL….JBL kicks ass…Back in a jiffy…. 16 days only 16 days left now….
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-14-2005, 06:12 PM:
 
Although Format 43 pioneered the 5.1 split-surround model, I don't consider it to be the "classic Dolby" format. Format 42 was used on the vast majority of 70mm Dolby mag releases. I consider Format 42 to be the "classic Dolby" sound format because it was used on Star Wars' 70mm release prints. And that's the movie that made Dolby famous. Even though Format 43 debuted at the end of 1978 it didn't get much of any regular use on 70mm prints until the end of the 1980s and early 1990s.

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format 42 and 43 though 42 would have been remixed, that sucks, I think the planning of “Dolby Digital” for the home cinema hasn’t been thought out very well by “Dolby”

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I don't agree with that. Certainly not in terms of the channel layout. New sound formats need to be designed more for the future rather than be rooted soley in the past. The 5.1 format's trade of a second subwoofer channel in return for stereo surrounds is a good compromise. Many argue subwoofer audio is not directional and that only one sub channel is needed.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-14-2005, 06:48 PM:
 
Bobby’

That’s very true “Star Wars” was made famous on its bases and use of sound, for many years was one of controversy and still is I think to this day.

Subwoofer directional, depending on where you’re sat in the cinema, or the home cinema, the crossover point setting also is critical the higher the setting your eras will detect it and therefore localization of it will be located the setting on my JBL 4645 “THX” modified is set to 80Hz hears a link to my small but “Just Bloody Loud” home THX cinema http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/3/158039.html

The images are around 2 months old, and since that time the positioning of the three-screen is different…

Not the JBL sub bass placed to the corner, as I don’t dare place the multi standard SONY monitor on top of the sub as it may pull on the electro guns, though I have had a Panasonic on top of it with no pulling on the colour at all, just lucky, but it may pull on the SONY, but the problem will be sound, the sound playing are with psychoacoustics.

All the three-screen channels are at the same height at the moment, and placed a little bit wider with a toe-in angle, also this is still in the workings, when I get the time and money to build a sound stage extending the fall width of the front, along with a vertical wall a THX baffle.

Also note the JBL placed on top of the JBL control 5 this gives me upper centre sounds when playing most films, and at the press of the button on the Yamaha DSR-70Pro, works fantastic on “Apollo 13” dts THX laserdisc chapter 11 trough to chapter 16, well the whole damn film…

You will see the black box that I’m using for the stereo surrounds decoding the pioneer VSP-200 and that “Sonic Whole Overhead Sound” LOL.
 

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Posted by Robert Harrison (Member # 3202) on 10-15-2005, 04:29 PM:
 
Attention: Andy Summers!

This just in! DON'T go out and buy "Revenge of the Sith" on November 1st, because Lucas is going to pull a "Lord of the Rings" and bring out an expanded "Special Jedi Knight Edition" on January 17th.

It will include another 45 minutes of footage, including the following scenes:

Miles Solo teaching his son, Han, how to pilot a spaceship.

Annakin and Amidala boogeying at a space disco to the tunes of Guum Wanglow and the Inter-Galactic Jug Band.

Jar Jar Binks getting blown away when he discovers Palpatine's secret identity before anyone else.

Yoda visiting his secret girlfriend, who just happens to be Mace Windu's sister, Melonda.

And, C-3PO and R2-D2 declaring their homo-robotic love for each other.

The soundtrack will be completely re-mixed in Tom Holman's 10.2 channel system, which has been adapted to be 5.1 compatible via matrixing. This Christmas, stores will begin selling the new processors which will decode these soundtracks. BUT ONLY IN AMERICA! SO MOVE HERE NOW!
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-15-2005, 04:35 PM:
 
I knew they shot the Miles Solo footage and wondered why it wasn't in the movie. The same goes for the disco and Jar Jar scenes. I guess we will finally get to see them! Also Ultimate Electronics (a store here) is advertising the 10.2 already. Prices are speculated to be between $650 and $1400 for the good ones!
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-15-2005, 04:46 PM:
 
Andy, no need to wait...just download a pirated copy.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-15-2005, 05:20 PM:
 
Brad’

I will not have anything to do with pirated copy’s sorry Brad’ I’m not that dodgy LOL it’s only 15 days to go now, and unlike those two Canadians who got nicked for filming “Star Wars Episode 2 attack of the clones” in 2002 sorry I not fancy a $250,000 dollar fine or 5 years in a federal prison, for a petty crime…hear in the U.K. I think it’s up to 20 years in the nick bugger that man, 20 years of your backside been done in, that is going to be very sore when you get out…
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-15-2005, 05:54 PM:
 
Here you go Andy. You should bid on this.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-15-2005, 05:56 PM:
 

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Lucas is going to pull a "Lord of the Rings" and bring out an expanded "Special Jedi Knight Edition" on January 17th.

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I wouldn't be surprised if this was true. Which would be too bad, it's a decent movie the way it is. If they add a bunch of padding to it, it'll be just as bad as I and II which were all padded out to start with.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-15-2005, 06:35 PM:
 
Mike’

I’m not buying into this no, way special “Jedi Knight Edition" on January 17th. Release date is 31st October 2005 for the U.K. and 15 days 23 hours and counting.

In case you have never heard of importing, it’s where I use the Force to bring mountains to me not I who goes to the mountain.

Tom Holman’s 10.2 I’ve read about it well over a year ago…looks good, or should I say sounds good looking forward to it though I think the cost will be an arm and a leg or maybe a few legs after you take a second bank lone and cant pay Mr Holman back, he’ll send the boys around to "THX" you into a plaster body suit, get the picture….

I’ve also head there bring out “THX” bubble-bath to help you relax with pops and rumpling big pops in the bathtub….
 

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Posted by Robert Harrison (Member # 3202) on 10-15-2005, 07:23 PM:
 
And George Lucas has heard of importing also. This is why the new American discs are specially treated with a disolving agent which is activated when it senses being transported overseas. The rich are always willing to spend money to keep from losing money, as our friends at Disney have proven over the years.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-15-2005, 09:17 PM:
 
Robert’

Guess the Borg will assimilate the DVD’s as well LOL, anyway it’s only 16 days before you guys can buy it, and 15 days 21 hours before we get it. It’s a pity “Concorde” isn’t flying anymore, I mean all you have to do is hop on it and you’ll be in the U.K within 2. ½ hours or so, get the tube to the West End drop in to “HMV” buy the film catch a movie at the “Empire Leicester Square” then get the tube back to Heathrow airport back on to “Concorde” arrive back at you home destination grab a cab and with less than 24hours you’ll be watching “Star Wars Episode 3 Revenge of the Sith” by which time I’ve watched it some 3 times and tripping of my head and writing a short review and posting it on the Film-Tech forums….LOL
 

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Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 10-15-2005, 09:32 PM:
 
It's been said before that Lucas plans a mega boxset with tons of extras of all 6 SW films once they're all done, whether this includes re-editing them and adding footage, I dont know, but we certainly haven't seen the last of them on DVD I'm sure.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-15-2005, 09:36 PM:
 
Mike’

Now that’s true I’ve also head this rumour, this will properly come about late next year or early 2007 30 years 1977 get the picture…
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-15-2005, 10:04 PM:
 
Andy get real. The Borg have nothing to do with this. Get your mind back to reality please. The discs are instructed to detect if the players run off of 50Hz or 60Hz power. If it detects 50Hz or anything other than strict region 1 (that includes region free) the disc becomes unplayable in any player. You have to have a region 1 ONLY player that runs off of US 60Hz, so you'll have to import a player as well and maybe a power plant. Even if you can get 60Hz power over there you still have to deal with the GPS devices that are built into every US DVD player. If the player does not have this GPS the disc won't work. If the GPS detects it is not in the US it will not work. You lose, like always!

This movie will sound like crap with all of those random speakers you haphazardly placed throughout your garage or whatever it is. But at least it'll look sharp on that 13 inch TV you have!
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-15-2005, 10:19 PM:
 
Joe’

“It’s a crock of Shit….” Do you think I was born yesterday LOL did you know CD’s last for 50 years and DVD’s around 20 years now that does bother me…

 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-15-2005, 11:05 PM:
 
Let me guess a couple of things:

-English is not your first nor your primary language.
-Earth is not the planet from which you originated.

quote: Andy Summers

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Do you think I was born yesterday LOL

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Of course not! I think you were born 6-09-2005, a day before you registered here.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-15-2005, 11:13 PM:
 
Joe’

That’s right I’m an illegal Alien just visiting and don’t worry Joe’ I’m not going to leap out of your chest….

 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-15-2005, 11:20 PM:
 
Of course you won't jump out of my chest. You can't. You're in the UK! My chest is in the US. God save the queen and all that crap! Jolly good.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-15-2005, 11:26 PM:
 
Thank goodness for that blood is a massy thing, a troubling thing, well there’s lots of things to talk about things like Star Wars, and Joe’ don’t worry about a thing….
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-15-2005, 11:27 PM:
 
Thanks Andy, you have comforted me. Please hold me.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-15-2005, 11:45 PM:
 
Joe’

See this, is the type of attention I draw to myself, after a short while people what we to hold them and hug them specially the men, Joe’ have you taken leave of your senses, or what…

Anyway guys & Dolls I’m laughing my way, to get some sleep has it’s coming up to 06.00 hrs and I’m bushed as you say, but I’m really knacked, it’s been fun talking to you all I’ve enjoyed this thank you catch you later and as astronaut “John Young” said bye, bye…
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-16-2005, 12:11 AM:
 

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Miles Solo teaching his son, Han, how to pilot a spaceship.

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There's footage of Miles Davis performing a solo? I thought he was dead.
 

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Posted by Robert Harrison (Member # 3202) on 10-16-2005, 12:24 PM:
 
This just in....

New DVD CAP Code makes it's debut with "Revenge of the Sith." Just so it will show up better on smaller screens, the dots will be larger than Jabba's man-boobs. However, if you play them in slow motion scan, the dots will spell out the words, "If you can read this, BOY ARE YOU A NERD!!!"

Of course, I'll give it a try.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-17-2005, 06:03 PM:
 
13 days to go now October 31st 2005 is getting closer, and for you guys just 14 days getting nearer and nearer….and with Batman Begins in just 3 days holy £14.99 that’s cheep….

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/books/scrapbook/atatdock1.jpg
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-17-2005, 08:13 PM:
 
15 pounds? That's like $24 over here. Ouch. Our Batman Begins will be $15 (about 8 pounds or maybe 16 kilos. Whatever weighs more). I will have it in less than 24 hours. America is the land of opportunity. Oh, and my version won't be increased in speed up to 25fps. PAL framerate sucks ass, but I'm sure you know that.

Did you say somewhere that your speakers are set to 105db for each of the front channel speakers and 110db for the subwoofer? That is incredibly wrong. All of the equipment in my room is THX certified. Does that mean I have myself a THX cinema?
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-17-2005, 09:53 PM:
 
Yeah the frame rate does suck big time, is if I didn’t know that, 24 is the international rate….
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-19-2005, 04:23 AM:
 
I just watched a DVD of SWE3ROTS in Dolby Digital Surround EX 5.1 JBL SPL THX 5.1 JBL! OMG the sound was so good! You may not believe that I really watched it, but I did. You would not believe the THX certified 115db JBL SPL THX SRD OMG! I watched it in certified THX! Did I mention that I watched it in THX? Well I did watch in in THX! In fact it was 105db THX JBL SPL JBL THX SPL JBL THX db JBL!!!!!! Each and ever db was THX certified by SPL. I think I will mention THX in every god damned post I ever make, just like Andy. All hail JBL THX SPL 5.1!

Now I will go put JBL stickers on my speakers.
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-19-2005, 11:28 AM:
 
Naw, you need some huge, custom made vinyl logos to apply to the cabinets (cut from of official JBL artwork of course). Have plenty of THX and Dolby logos too -even that 40th anniversary thingie.
 

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Posted by Adam Wilbert (Member # 1184) on 10-19-2005, 12:11 PM:
 
Head on over to brands of the world for all of your vector logo rebranding needs. JBL , THX and two dozen flavors of Dolby .

Might as well get some extra vinyl cut so that you can certify your 5.1THX SPL JBL DD street-racin' car.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-19-2005, 03:56 PM:
 
Freakin' AWESOME site there, Adam! 5.1 JBL SPL dbc!!!
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-19-2005, 05:20 PM:
 
Sorry, but Brands of the World sucks ass. And that includes all its attempts at Dolby and DTS logos.

I should know. I deal with a lot of authentic corporate logos and other artwork. The versions often found on the Brands of the World website are poorly done knock-offs. The level of inaccuracy is often surprising. I grabbed a Best Western logo off Brands of the World to use as a place holder in one sign design. Then I received the authentic vector art from Best Western's marketing department. The BOTW version sucked ass, just as I predicted!

I have strongly advised other graphics people I know to use logos found there ONLY for comping purposes and never for any final output.

Just as bad, all logo libraries for sale on CD are no better. They mostly have inaccurate re-creations and not authentic artwork. Either source almost never has proper color specifications.

Then you have to consider such sites and compilation CDs never have any of the useage guidelines, such as protected white space specifications, font specifications and more.

About the only easy way any casual computer user will get access to authentic corporate logos in vector form is by downloading PDFs from a corporation's website and opening the PDF within Adobe Illustrator. Very often, however, many of those PDFs are encrypted and password protected. There are hacks that can get around PDF security, but it's probably too much of a pain for most people.

In the end, even when you have a proper version of a popular trademark, you can't do much with it -at least in terms of business use- without having the useage guidelines. Gotta follow them to the letter. If you don't your customer won't get paid any of that co-op advertising money to recoup his expense on stuff like signs, website graphics, etc.
 

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Posted by Adam Wilbert (Member # 1184) on 10-19-2005, 08:32 PM:
 
While I totally agree that they might not be 100% accurate for legitimate business use, who is going to be upset that their knock-off re-logoed speakers aren't pantone correct? The other option, of course, is to contact those companies directly, tell them your plan to print stickers to put on your sucky speakers to make them sound better, and then wait for said company to mail you a logo disc. Granted, the whole operation is infringing on copyright, but who is Joe if he's not against the commodification of intellectual property?
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-19-2005, 08:37 PM:
 
I dunno, let's look:


Looks perfect to me.


Perfect, except maybe the word "Video" is a bit off-centered. Easily fixed.


Looks completely wrong! Please e-mail me a proper vector.


Completely 100% perfect.


Rough around the edges.


Looks good to me. Maybe the "shine" is off? I don't think that really matters since the shine is usually in motion. Maybe it could use a bevel as well.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-19-2005, 09:04 PM:
 
Ok whose the pirate hear that is the dodgiest dts logo in living memory.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-20-2005, 05:20 PM:
 
I looked at the DTS logos on the site, the one for theatrical looks better than the one Joe posted. (At least the fonts are correct.)
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-20-2005, 06:03 PM:
 
Mike’

T-minors 10 days and counting, yes it’s only ten days now before we Brits get are hands on George Lucas’s Star Wars episode 3 Revenge of the Sith, but there is a new hope for you guys across the pond it’s called 11 days and counting, so be cool.

Robert’

Hallo there by now most of the Film-Tech crew have seen my home cinema set-up.

The THX baffle wall that I plan to construct when the time is right, should take me about two weeks with such matters like cost, once that is dealt with the trail and error will start, once built and if it doesn’t work to my expectations tearing it down and restarting will be a messy affair, so this is why I have planed to firstly start of with a sound stage extending the entire width of the front, the depth of it will be the same of the JBL sub bass, the height will be around ½ inc to an 1inc above the SONY monitor.

I will have addition support holding it place, placed at each side of the SONY monitor, and then the positioning of the three-screen JBL control 5 will be calculated with the centre in the usual position, with angles of pointing it down to the sweet spot in the room, once I’ve checked it out and have determined it will be fixed into position with some small pieces of wood screwed down into the stage on each side of the JBL, with a wedge piece keeping it at the chosen angle.

Selecting the positions of the left and right screen-channels will be critical, were it’s voicing of panned sounds along with captivating my attention as well or anyone for that matter, fixing them will be same as with the centre, except they will have a slight toe in as I will be experimenting not just with (Wideband Pink Noise) but with some very complex films one that comes to mind is “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.”

Once done the construction of the vertical THX baffle wall will start, with cutting plasterboard to size one for each section where it will be addressed to and the frame work to support each section as well, I’ll need a small access way or opening that will be screwed into the baffle wall, so if I needed to get to any one of the JBL’s the access way will be placed in-between the left and centre and right and centre with room to at lest get my arms in there.

(Rockwool) will be placed within it along the walls and the baffle as well, and just thinking that I’m sensitive to that stuff so I’ll take caution with it.

So it will take a few weeks, where someone else may do it with a few days, no rush.

Anyway thank you for showing interest, as for your home cinema, start of again with matching loudspeakers for the front, and depending on the size of the room, high end bookshelf models are recommended, one there far easy to install, and multiple surrounds.

Hope it works out for you.
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-20-2005, 08:15 PM:
 
Joe,

The Dolby Digital logo, but just a bit off. I'll e-mail you a PDF showing actual measurements of the elements. Too bad it's an outdated design. The newer Dolby logos have the Eurostile "Dolby" letters blown up too big for the container rectangle.

The DVD Video logo: decent attempt, but still off a bit. I have a collection of authentic marks from SPE/Sony. It's pretty amazing how much trouble they went through to develop specific DVD logos for lots of different point sizes. The brand marks even have all the cuts adjusted to account for ink flow/dot gain.

The DTS Digital Surround logo is just hideous. Whoever did that recreation needs to have his Crayons confiscated.

The Pioneer logo: again pretty close, but not perfect. I downloaded that BOTW website version and compared it to logos I extracted out of a couple product manuals and their 2005 annual report. The paths don't quite line up. Different placements of control points. Most people wouldn't know (much less care) about the difference. But I wouldn't use that BOTW version on any electronic store promotional stuff.

SDDS logo? How the hell can I know? I'm having trouble trying to dig up one of the copies I have of it. It's been a long time since I've cared to bother looking into that format!

THX - looks like some JPEG bitmap output from Photoshop. Not flat vector art. Just pull up some Denon audio video receiver owner's manual PDFs, open them in Adobe Illustrator and you'll have some good THX logos that way, dude!
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-20-2005, 09:43 PM:
 

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there is a new hope for you guys across the pond it’s called 11 days and counting, so be cool.

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Like I said dude, I have already watched the DVD version of this.

Bobby:
Just checked my e-mail, nothing there. I was hoping to find an e-mail with Dolby Digital EX, DTS, and DVD Video vector logos attached (as I can use them for my own DVD cases because I usually mix shorts that I shoot in Dolby Digital and DTS).
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-20-2005, 09:52 PM:
 
Bobby’

Arr, promotion copy yes well that’s the only thing that makes sense, how does the image look, seeing it’s a direct digital transfer from the digital High Def.

Also does anyone remember this, the two Canadians that stole Star Wars episode 2 Attack of the clones…?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2056443.stm
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-21-2005, 12:04 AM:
 
Bobby didn't see it. Leave poor Bobby alone.

Anyway it looks exactly like Episode 2 which was shot in HD. Things have fuzzy edges because of the compositing, and this even shows up in the low-res DVD. Blue screen sucks my ass.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-21-2005, 08:55 AM:
 
Yes I noticed that when “Obi-Won” is fighting “Jango-Fet” what ever his name is, not sure if it’s the rain that’s making the image look a bit queer around the edges, I can deal with it Joe’ remember what the early days of visual effects "Voyage dans la Lune, Le/A Trip to the Moon" by "Georges Melies" looked like, groundbreaking technology in my books, in fact there’s still plenty of magic to play with.

Film is going to stay around for many years still to come, until it retires.
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Quote- Arthur C. Clark

“Any sufficiently advanced Technology is indistinguishable form Magic”
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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-21-2005, 08:58 PM:
 
Here is a DTS logo I made in Adobe's brand new program called "Illustrator", now available at a supermarket near you:



Almost there but not quite. Though it is 20x better than the one on the previous page (Ug). Still waiting for Bobby.
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-21-2005, 10:16 PM:
 
Damn, Joe. Don't you have the Optima font family on your machine? Gotta use the right font for those "Digital Surround" letters.

Not that it will be necessary. Check your e-mail. I've finally sent you some things, with type converted to outlines no less (makes that PC to Mac platform jump easier).
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-21-2005, 11:50 PM:
 
**Checks fonts**

Well I'll be damned. Optima is an exact match! I just stumbled on Lucia Grandee first because L comes before O, and it looked fairly close to Lucia.

Thanks for the e-mail!

PS - Picking fonts in Illustrator sucks ass! It's a drop down menu! SUCK!
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-22-2005, 11:16 AM:
 
Joe’

Wow that’s getting pretty close, what are you using to create this?

And by the way Joe’ has it all ready, but for some of you that may have joined the dark side, it’s only 8 days to go now soon it will be the magic 7 days or 1 week…LOL

I’m getting so very excited, I’m going to give this film one hell of a six-track Dolby Stereo digital surround-EX presentation with the (Sonic Whole Overhead Sound) and the Lucasfilm THX sound system, this is going to be a forceful evening, with Saturday 5th 2005 “STAR WARS DAY” all films presented in…six-track Dolby Stereo surround-EX (Sonic Whole Overhead Sound) and the Lucasfilm THX sound system….

http://www.popmatters.com/film/reviews/s/images/star-wars-episode-3.jpg

By the way I’ve seen a lot of dts logos all over the internet, if you just type “dts logo” in Google and hit image search there’s a lot of dodgy ones, and a few legitimate ones, Joe’ your not posting these all over the internet are you LOL...?

Checkout this transparent dts logo…
http://bby.chinahome.org/dvd.chinahome/mac/1/yyqccsbd-5d9-07.jpg
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-22-2005, 12:15 PM:
 
Andy, that DTS logo linky is slow and then the image stinks. A white beveled "dts" logotype on a white background? Okay.

Here's a decent one I created:
Cool DTS Logo
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-22-2005, 12:43 PM:
 
Bobby’

Now that was a cool looking dts logo, saved that to my pictures, where it belongs, maybe I’ll convert it to my pc’s desktop…

I’m still in the dark hear how, in the hell DO YOU POST an image please, has I keep getting Joe’s’ NOSE all the time, doesn’t look happy….
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-23-2005, 01:15 PM:
 
Hay guys I found this, have a look some ole newspapers clippings of STAR WARS 1977 tickets publicity posters etc, etc.

http://www.toysrgus.com/relics/prerelease/
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-23-2005, 06:36 PM:
 
WOW ONLY ONE WEEK TO GO NOW!

The force is with us British and the Americans have got just 8 days left till it stocks up the shelves.
http://www.emerchandise.com/images/p/SWR/pdSUSWR0007.jpg
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-23-2005, 07:10 PM:
 

quote: Andy Summers presented in 6 track magnetic Dolby Digital dts 70mm IMAX ToddAO Spectral Recording with THX and other such babble that means nothing in a home video environment

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WOW ONLY ONE WEEK TO GO NOW!

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Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 10-23-2005, 08:06 PM:
 
I didn't know 1 week is 8 days over in England?
 

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Posted by Kurt Zupin (Member # 2751) on 10-23-2005, 08:56 PM:
 
oh Mike you didn't get the memo...England has adopted the 8 day work week now! Quite exciting to be honest!!!!
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-23-2005, 11:23 PM:
 
Just don't tell anyone on Wall Street about the 8 day work week. The 'raiders there will cream their slacks over the possibility of fitting TWO 4-10 work schedules into one week! Wow! Just imagine the possibility -even more 401K retirement money going into the fund for us to steal! Joy-freaking-gasm!

To get back on topic, that "Star Wars" EP I thing will be strictly "480p, MPEG-2, DD 5.1 EX, 448kb/s" If someone wants to attach 70mm nomenclature to that they need a smack.
 

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Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 10-24-2005, 02:13 AM:
 
The UK uses the Imperial Week, which is larger than the US week.
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-25-2005, 07:53 PM:
 
There’s no question about it just 5 days to go now….
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-26-2005, 01:57 AM:
 
There's no question about what?
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-26-2005, 02:27 AM:
 
I for one will be ecstatic when this movie comes out because that means Andy will shut the $&#% up for a couple of days, at least.
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-26-2005, 10:09 AM:
 
You wish. He'll likely make some "viewing in progress" posts, noting that "sonic overhead spl +/-db, etc." veribage he keeps using. I'm afraid you'll see 1 to 3 posts per chapter stop.

Um dude, what's with the speaker on the ceiling? Couldn't run any wires in the walls to hook them up there in the right place?
 

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Posted by Ben Wales (Member # 92) on 10-26-2005, 03:29 PM:
 
When do we all get to see a picture of the famous Andy Summers (aka Ashley?) on his profile and his all singing THX sound system Home Cinema?.

As for "Star Wars Ep3", well it is best viewed at a (great) distance and in Mono sound
 

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Posted by Andy Summers (Member # 3207) on 10-26-2005, 09:27 PM:
 
Well the heights are up now, and the EQ process now begins with just 4 days till “STAR WARS Episode 3 Revenge of the Sith” completes the circle on DVD.

I must honest hear the “Sonic Whole Overhead Sound” is such choice and works very well with “STAR WARS Episode 1 The Phantom Menace” anyway got get back to the EQ now catch you later alligators….

Hi there Ben’ low numbers about the Bournemouth “IMAX” I mean all the other cinemas in Westover Road are a joke….now they’ve simply lost the edge in spectacular, anyway must get on…its all good stuff?
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-26-2005, 09:44 PM:
 
Is it me or is Episode III tremendously old news? Didn't that movie come out like half a year ago?
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 10-26-2005, 10:07 PM:
 
I'm glad I don't need to EQ my private THX cinema. Why not? I use Kimber cables!
 

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Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 10-27-2005, 12:26 AM:
 
You should upgrade your system before the arrival of SW & replace your center, left & right speakers with 3 of these:



Few other speakers will be able to do justice to SW EP III.
Beware: they can be very expensive.
http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=8040907
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-29-2005, 01:16 AM:
 
That's a speaker?

It looks like a piece of bedroom furniture to me. Turn it around and you have drawers to put away your socks!
 

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Posted by Jason M Miller (Member # 2597) on 11-01-2005, 08:38 AM:
 
Anyone else get this at midnight last night?
 

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Posted by Bill Gabel (Member # 1105) on 11-01-2005, 09:15 AM:
 
Got mine last Friday along with Madagascar and Charlie & the Chocolate Factory.
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 11-01-2005, 10:05 AM:
 
I went by Wal-Mart to get a few grocery items. They had their 2-pack deal (the "Story of Star Wars" disc was bundled into the package). But they only had the FOOL-SCREEN versions on the floor.


Fool screen DVDs suck ass. Anyone who buys those stinked up discs will be regretting it later whenever they move up to a widescreen digital TV. Likely scenario: to get rid of the grey bars on the side of their DVD images, they'll zoom into the panned and scanned picture for an even more extremely screwed up experience.


Needless to say, I didn't get the DVD. Since I had to wait, I'm going to find out just what is on that 2nd Wal-Mart exclusive disc (mainly to find out if it's worth getting). If it's just a fluff piece disc, then I'll price shop to possibly get a better deal elsewhere.

If the dumbasses at the Wal-Mart had put the widescreen version out on the floor they would have made a sale last night. Too bad.
 

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Posted by Jesse Skeen (Member # 586) on 11-01-2005, 12:45 PM:
 
Volume 4 of The Brady Bunch comes out the same day, so guess what I'LL be watching!
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 11-01-2005, 03:15 PM:
 
I've learned the Episode III bonus disc exclusive at Wal-Mart is basically two 30 minute documentaries that simply recap what happened in the other movies. They're reported a bit cheezy and aimed for kids (particularly with R2D2 and C3PO doing the narration). 4:3 ratio, 2.0 sound. Die hard fans and completists may want to pay extra for it. But the 2-disc edition by itself is selling for $14.99 (or even less) at some places.

This is assuming you even want to have a copy of the movie.

I'll get one. I liked this one more than the other two prequels. The opening battle scene was pretty cool.
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 11-01-2005, 05:40 PM:
 

quote: Bobby Henderson

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Likely scenario: to get rid of the grey bars on the side of their DVD images, they'll zoom into the panned and scanned picture for an even more extremely screwed up experience.

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quote: Star Wars Episode III back of the box

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Six never-before-seen Deleted Scenes created just for this release...

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HELLO!!!! If the scenes were created just for the DVD, they, by definition, could not have been deleted from anything else. I hope the hemorroid who wrote the text on the back of the box gets AIDS, SARS, avian flu, Alzheimer's, explosive diarrhea, and acne.
 

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Posted by Frank Dubrois (Member # 3042) on 11-01-2005, 09:19 PM:
 
I know. Thats hilarious
 

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Posted by Mike Heenan (Member # 392) on 11-01-2005, 09:23 PM:
 
Also, Lucas had to have seen them, so technically, they're not "never before seen".
 

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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 11-01-2005, 09:50 PM:
 
They are never-before-seen but NOT never-before-heard?
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 11-01-2005, 10:19 PM:
 
Andy's been awfully quiet for the last couple of days. He must be glued to his home theatre with the tenth go-round of his "Episode III" DVD!
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 11-01-2005, 10:46 PM:
 
Actually, Michael, you'll need to talk to Brad about that. Hehe.
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 11-01-2005, 11:58 PM:
 
Uh-oh. Someone musta got busted.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 11-02-2005, 03:35 PM:
 
Or else he's too busy having orgasms over Natalie Portman, or figuring out new ways to misuse the English language.
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 11-02-2005, 04:43 PM:
 
I think quite a number of film-tech members are guilty of both of those things.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 11-02-2005, 05:44 PM:
 

quote: Joe Redifer

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Has anyone noticed the text on the back of the box?

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quote: Joe Redifer

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I wouldn't buy such a thing, but am I the only one who HATES those fold out DVD boxes?

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They look nice, but yeah, functionally they are stupid.

What I really want is a LIST OF EPISODES on the back of the case that holds all the disks. Cripes, you have to be an expert on a TV show to shop for its DVDs.

Oops, this is a Star Wars thread. Damn, that is a good movie.
 

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Posted by Frank Dubrois (Member # 3042) on 11-03-2005, 03:28 PM:
 
Banned? Well, at least its only temporary. I don't have anything against him, however, his daily countdown of the Episode III release was getting old. Thank god he posted his home theater pictures to keep us going.
 

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Posted by Ben Wales (Member # 92) on 11-04-2005, 03:37 PM:
 
So, The THX Man of Mystery" (Andy Summers) "we know his real name" has been banned from this site.

Was it his Home THX Cinema Pictures was the final straw or just his recent postings?.

I did like Joe R Home THX Pictures, were they taking the P#*# or just for fun and wondered where I can obtain that Calibration Microphone?
 

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Posted by Frank Dubrois (Member # 3042) on 11-04-2005, 03:46 PM:
 
I had a center channel speaker like Joe has. Mine was made by Sanyo, but every day at 6am it would make an obnoxious beeping noise, so I had to throw it out.
 

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Posted by Robert Harrison (Member # 3202) on 11-04-2005, 04:16 PM:
 
For details on the Summers ban, see Film-Yak under thread titled "HALLO-Film-Tech-WEEN" and prepare to laugh.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 11-04-2005, 04:20 PM:
 
This thread stinks of gossip queens!
 

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