Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE: "The Incredibles" on Blu-ray April 12

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Posted by Sam Graham (Member # 2889) on 01-08-2011, 07:44 PM:

Knowing this is one of the most wanted Blu-ray titles by many here, I figured it was worthy of a heads-up.

Pre order page up at Amazon.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 01-09-2011, 12:04 AM:

I am so there.

Posted by Tom Petrov (Member # 1534) on 01-09-2011, 12:52 AM:

quote: Sam Graham
most wanted Blu-ray titles by many

Why? I never followed or saw this movie

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 01-09-2011, 01:39 AM:

Did Sam say "everyone?" No. He said "many here." I fit in that group of many F-T members who want The Incredibles on Blu-ray. Definitely will buy it.

Of course if someone else doesn't like The Incredibles he can feel free to not buy or even see the movie at all. But that opinion has zero chance of getting in the way of me buying it.
[Razz]

Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 01-09-2011, 02:25 AM:

Thank goodness it will be in 2D.

AJG

Posted by Tom Petrov (Member # 1534) on 01-09-2011, 02:37 AM:

Why? I never followed or saw this movie

Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 01-09-2011, 07:43 PM:

Nice! Another excellent Pixar effort to add to the collection. It should look great.

$45.99 seems expensive though. I wonder why it's so much?

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 01-09-2011, 07:45 PM:

It's in the title John...because it is "Incredible!" [Wink]

-Steve

Posted by John Wilson (Member # 269) on 01-09-2011, 07:47 PM:

Yes, Incredibly Expensive.

I agree it's a great flick though. [thumbsup]

Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 01-09-2011, 08:01 PM:

I not only am excited to see it, but to HEAR it. I remember seeing it in the cinema, and it sounded pretty good but when I got the DVD, the track on there was PHENOMENAL! Perhaps the cinema I saw it in was poorly aligned.

AJG

Posted by Mike Olpin (Member # 1115) on 01-09-2011, 09:06 PM:

This pleases Incrediboy.

Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 01-09-2011, 09:21 PM:

as with all Pixar's blurays the ad's completely ignore that the soundtracks are derived from the Dolby Digital EX 6.1 mixes and with the extra matrixed rear channel of sound really heightens the soundtrack - I soooo can't wait to own this. Disney Movie Reward folk will undoubtably see a $10 off coupon materalize just before the release of the bluray to further bring down the price.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 01-10-2011, 01:50 PM:

quote: John Wilson
$45.99 seems expensive though. I wonder why it's so much

That's the MSRP listing, not what stores will actually be charging for it. Other Pixar titles have had similar MSRP levels. More than likely stores like Wal-Mart will be selling it for near $30. I figure Amazon.com will have the Blu-ray set priced somewhere between $19 and $25. Right now the pre-order price is $31, but that will probably drop.

quote: Jonathan Goeldner
as with all Pixar's blurays the ad's completely ignore that the soundtracks are derived from the Dolby Digital EX 6.1 mixes

The original master recordings are uncompressed. They're not already cooked in a lossy compressed format like Dolby EX 5.1 or DTS-ES 6.1 Discrete for that matter.

I expect the new Blu-ray will have a DTS-HD Master Audio track since just about everything Disney is releasing on Blu-ray has DTS-HD audio. As to whether it's 6.1 or 7.1, I don't know.

Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 01-11-2011, 08:33 PM:

it better BE 6.1 since the DVD is.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 01-11-2011, 09:16 PM:

That's no guarantee. I have all the Pixar movies on DVD from Toy Story up to Ratatouille.

Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc., Finding Nemo, The Incredibles and Cars had Dolby Digital EX 5.1 audio tracks on their original DVD releases. Ratatouille did not, the DVD just had regular DD 5.1. At least the packaging was labeled that way. I think Toy Story 1 and Toy Story 2 were re-released on DVD with DTS-ES 5.1 or 6.1 mixes, but I don't remember for sure. For DVD I have the "Ultimate Toy Box" edition containing the 1st and 2nd movies.

On Blu-ray, Cars and Ratatouille have LPCM 5.1 audio tracks. Disney could have used discrete 6.1 or even 7.1 audio but didn't. The rest of the Pixar movies available on Blu-ray have DTS-HD Master Audio tracks. Toy Story 3 is the only one that features something bigger than a straight 5.1 track (DTS-HD 7.1). The funny thing is the Blu-ray discs of Toy Story 1 & 2 both have foreign language tracks encoded in Dolby EX 5.1.

So really I don't know about The Incredibles having a 6.1 or 7.1 track. Disney isn't very consistent about this. While they were releasing Pixar movies on BD with 5.1 mixes they released some of their other classics with DTS-HD 7.1 tracks, such as Sleeping Beauty.

Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 01-11-2011, 09:24 PM:

"The Incredibles" was the first Pixar movie we played on the break. Not one of my faves, though. I personally didn't find it all that original. But, it will definitely look awesome on Blu-Ray. Me, I'm waiting for the BR of "Finding Nemo."

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 01-11-2011, 09:47 PM:

I really liked The Incredibles for its satirical take on super heroes. No capes! It also spoofed other elements of late 1950's and early 1960's pop culture from James Bond villains to the fashion industry. Pixar did a lot of work to get many of the details right. That's a big part of why I liked Cars as well. If Pixar didn't bother to roll so many road geek details into that movie it would have sucked (some people think it sucks anyway).

Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 01-12-2011, 01:52 PM:

quote: Bobby Henderson
That's no guarantee. I have all the Pixar movies on DVD from Toy Story up to Ratatouille.

Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc., Finding Nemo, The Incredibles and Cars had Dolby Digital EX 5.1 audio tracks on their original DVD releases. Ratatouille did not, the DVD just had regular DD 5.1. At least the packaging was labeled that way. I think Toy Story 1 and Toy Story 2 were re-released on DVD with DTS-ES 5.1 or 6.1 mixes, but I don't remember for sure. For DVD I have the "Ultimate Toy Box" edition containing the 1st and 2nd movies.

On Blu-ray, Cars and Ratatouille have LPCM 5.1 audio tracks. Disney could have used discrete 6.1 or even 7.1 audio but didn't. The rest of the Pixar movies available on Blu-ray have DTS-HD Master Audio tracks. Toy Story 3 is the only one that features something bigger than a straight 5.1 track (DTS-HD 7.1). The funny thing is the Blu-ray discs of Toy Story 1 & 2 both have foreign language tracks encoded in Dolby EX 5.1.

So really I don't know about The Incredibles having a 6.1 or 7.1 track. Disney isn't very consistent about this. While they were releasing Pixar movies on BD with 5.1 mixes they released some of their other classics with DTS-HD 7.1 tracks, such as Sleeping Beauty.

yes the DVD rerelease of Toy Story 1 and II did advertise DTS-ES sound.

even the print ads I saw in Widescreen Review for 'The Incredibles' on DVD, promoted DTS-ES sound

what's interesting about Toy Story 3 release on bluray is that on the back it's denoted as having a DTS 7.1, a DTS 5.1 mix and the French/Spanish language tracks being Dolby Digital EX - I'm sure (I haven't checked) that the DTS 5.1 English has the matrixed rear channel of sound as well.

Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 01-13-2011, 02:55 PM:

I don't know how they have the DTS-HD 5.1 track on Toy Story 3 configured. It could be mixed purely for standard 5.1 playback. The side wall and back wall corner zones are in sonically tricky areas. A 7.1 track flatly folded down into 5.1 could yield some unpredictable results. Maybe that 5.1 track is there to deal with that. Then again it could have matrix data for a back wall surround to benefit those who haven't moved up to a discrete 7.1 setup. But I think the track would have been labeled DTS-ES 5.1 in that case.

quote: Jonathan Goeldner
even the print ads I saw in Widescreen Review for 'The Incredibles' on DVD, promoted DTS-ES sound

The DVD I have of The Incredibles doesn't have any DTS tracks, Dolby Digital-EX 5.1 instead.

Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 01-13-2011, 03:32 PM:

I would be pretty easy to fold 7.1 down to 5.1. For example, the Left Rear surround would come through the left surround at 75% volume and 25% volume in the right surround. It'd work if you were smack in the middle of the two surrounds, but I don't think it would sound bad from any location in the room, really.

Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 01-13-2011, 11:27 PM:

quote: Bobby Henderson
I don't know how they have the DTS-HD 5.1 track on Toy Story 3 configured. It could be mixed purely for standard 5.1 playback. The side wall and back wall corner zones are in sonically tricky areas. A 7.1 track flatly folded down into 5.1 could yield some unpredictable results. Maybe that 5.1 track is there to deal with that. Then again it could have matrix data for a back wall surround to benefit those who haven't moved up to a discrete 7.1 setup. But I think the track would have been labeled DTS-ES 5.1 in that case.

The DVD I have of The Incredibles doesn't have any DTS tracks, Dolby Digital-EX 5.1 instead.

but that's thing with Disney/Pixar bluray's - the DTS 5.1 soundtracks HAVE the matrixed rear center channel - the decision not to advertise that it's in fact DTS-ES sound is just all out befuddeling

oh and yes, the DVD of 'The Incredibles' was indeed Dolby Digital EX.