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Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 09-21-2011, 01:07 PM:
And what possible good is this to anyone without access to 4k source material (not to mention $25k in disposable income)?
http://techland.time.com/2011/09/08/sony-unveils-ultra-high-def-4k-projector-so-long-1080p/
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"In similar fashion to our industry leading 4K Digital Cinema projectors, our new VPL-VW1000ES 4K home theater projector has been created to not just meet but exceed the needs of the most discerning and demanding home entertainment enthusiasts," said Mike Abary, senior vice president of Sony Electronics' Home Division, in the press release. "It will allow them to become totally involved in the viewing experience and much closer to the action on the biggest home theater screens, with images that deliver considerably more detail and fewer artifacts."
Read more: http://techland.time.com/2011/09/08/sony-unveils-ultra-high-def-4k-projector-so-long-1080p/#ixzz1Ybz35C30
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 09-21-2011, 02:39 PM:
..and even cinemas don't have 4K usage yet - we're still stuck in 2K mode..
Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 09-21-2011, 02:57 PM:
I thought TI was to start releasing movies with it's new 4K DLP technology by now.
Posted by James Westbrook (Member # 3690) on 09-21-2011, 03:11 PM:
There have been a few 4K movies out there. Priest in 2D was one.
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 09-22-2011, 02:42 PM:
That's gonna be a lot of extra work for the bootleggers to get 4K content out to the very rich who can afford a 4K home projector, because the studios sure won't.
Hey, anyone want to take a guess what Disney will say when someone wants to buy a hard drive with the latest Disney movie on it authored at 4K rez? They still refuse to release their 3D titles out on 3D BluRay for whatever their reason is in that alternate-universe/Shutter Island way of thinking they use over there in Burbank and for which they have become justly famous.
Hey, will it have a laser light engine? Why not go for that too -- then there REALLY won't be a reason to ever go to the theatre to see a movie. Except of course if one is drawn to that "social" experience and needs to rub elbows with the unwashed and their chit-chatting offspring, not to mention the cellphones and the bed bugs. Yup...it's that compelling social experience you always hear them talking about that I just can't resist, which is why when I can't go to the cinema, I try to invite a goodly number of strangers into my living room so I can get the full "moviegoing experience."
Yah.
Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 09-22-2011, 03:22 PM:
@ James:
it looks like alongside 'Priest' - 'Bad Teacher' 'The Green Hornet' 'Battle LA' '30 Minutes or Less' 'Straw Dogs' 'Restless' and 'Moneyball' were also released 4K.
I know 'Battle' was shown in 4K DLP - what about the others?
Posted by James Westbrook (Member # 3690) on 09-22-2011, 05:02 PM:
I wasn't aware about Straw Dogs being in 4K. We are running that now.
When I was building the playlist for Moneyball, I noticed the feature file was 4K and I thought "I need to watch this to see if I can tell the difference." Unlike Straw Dogs, Moneyball is showing on one of our bigger screens.
Posted by Dominic Espinosa (Member # 2122) on 09-23-2011, 12:31 PM:
Yes, actually quite a few blockbusters are 4K these days.
And naturally anything coming from Sony now pretty much was shot with a cinealta camera, 5k intermediate, and release prints from that.
I can't say for sure about the home version of the projector, but in the cinema version, the 4K projector receives 4K from the media block whether DCP was 2K or not. The thing I like is that the 2K dcp looks really damn good on a 4K projector.
Visible screen door effect is reduced quite a bit by the pixel size on the projector, moire is almost unoticeable, and no jaggies on sharp edges.
Posted by Martin McCaffery (Member # 37) on 09-24-2011, 08:23 AM:
quote: Dominic Espinosa
Visible screen door effect is reduced quite a bit by the pixel size on the projector, moire is almost unoticeable, and no jaggies on sharp edges.
Just to be clear about what you are saying. In the majority of commercial digital presentations there is visible screen door effect, noticeable moire and jaggies on sharp edges? (that has been my experience for the most part, but I haven't seen that many)
And this is supposed to be better than film?
Posted by Thomas Hauerslev (Member # 566) on 09-24-2011, 12:49 PM:
A 4K festival is currently showing in Copenhagen: http://www.biografmuseet.dk/news/2011/4k_festival/index.htm
Saw SOM and Kwai today
Posted by Tony Bandiera Jr (Member # 2365) on 09-24-2011, 01:44 PM:
quote: Martin McCaffery
Just to be clear about what you are saying. In the majority of commercial digital presentations there is visible screen door effect, noticeable moire and jaggies on sharp edges? (that has been my experience for the most part, but I haven't seen that many)
And this is supposed to be better than film?
Bingo.
I wouldn't buy the projector even if I had the $25k to burn simply because it's a Sony.
Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-24-2011, 02:08 PM:
quote:
"In similar fashion to our industry leading 4K Digital Cinema projectors"
Ya gotta love that line! I donno anyone here in the States installing any Sony's except AMC and Regal. Sony... the only self destructing D-Cinema projector...LOL!
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 09-24-2011, 02:29 PM:
On my "Straw Dogs" sheet: 4096x1716 2K Scope .. and I'm shooting this movie through a twin lens Sony..
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They're not that bad ... but you just gotta know how to work with them to keep ahead of them.
Big thing is to go into your "Restart SMS", then to "Shutdown" to completely power these things down, then hit the button on the status cone once a week to rid of the ghosts that hides in the media block...and no probs will ever arise from these units.
Course, I do this weekly shutdown on the other makes of units that I have ... just to clean out old memory.
Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 09-24-2011, 04:21 PM:
@ Thomas Hauerslev: how did Sound of Music and Kwai look? your impressions please, thanks.
Posted by Dominic Espinosa (Member # 2122) on 09-25-2011, 11:59 AM:
Monte,
I was just thinking of asking you about your experience with stability...Do you have R220's or 320's?
I have revision 1 and revision 2 R220's and find them to be less than ideal in the stability area. Namely the SMS server software specifically.
I find each machine MUST be restarted near weekly, which I think is really excessive.
I've got file/media/web/network servers running elsewhere with uptime of 200+ days under 0.5+ load averages yet no problems.
To me that means the SMS software itself is unstable and has memory management problems.
But I digress. This isn't the time or place. Just curious about your experience....?
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 09-25-2011, 05:35 PM:
I have 320's running v.5.00 software..maybe you could use a software upgrade. - Monte
Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 09-26-2011, 01:26 PM:
quote: Frank Angel
They still refuse to release their 3D titles out on 3D BluRay
Ummmm you can get Pirates of the Caribbean and The Lion King on 3-D bluray.
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 09-26-2011, 07:39 PM:
I might be interested in a native 4K resolution computer monitor. That could be particularly useful in graphics and photo retouching work, especially if the monitor had a very good refresh rate and high quality control of color display.
4K in projection format, not interested. Bulbs are too pricey for at-home use.
Posted by Keegan O'Brien (Member # 6539) on 10-01-2011, 07:59 PM:
quote: Dominic Espinosa
And naturally anything coming from Sony now pretty much was shot with a cinealta camera, 5k intermediate, and release prints from that.
That's not true, actually. Currently the highest resolution image you're going to pull from Sony's top of the line CineAlta, the F35, is 1080p. The new Sony F65, which is has yet to be used on any production aside from test shorts (none of which have been released), will record and produce a true 4K image.
The Red EPIC is the only digital camera labeling itself as 5K at the moment, but in reality only the EPIC's sensor is 5K, the image you'll actually get is somewhere between 4-4.4K after debayering.
And, Sony doesn't force films being made by their studios to use they're cameras. The new Spiderman film was shot with the EPIC...
Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 10-01-2011, 08:42 PM:
other film shot with the Red Epic:
The Hobbit- 3D EPIC
Contagion- RED ONE MX & EPIC
Girl With the Dragon Tattoo- RED ONE MX & EPIC
Underworld 4- 3D EPIC
Jack the Giant Killer- 3D EPIC
Posted by Keegan O'Brien (Member # 6539) on 10-01-2011, 09:10 PM:
Contagion was set to be shot with the EPIC, but the prototypes glitched before shooting began. It ended up being shot entirely with the Red One MX, which has an actual resolution of 3.7K, with the film being finished in 4K.
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo's only EPIC footage are ariels, I believe.
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 10-28-2011, 11:58 PM:
quote: Darryl Spicer
Ummmm you can get Pirates of the Caribbean and The Lion King on 3-D bluray.
OK, so that's three. What about the some hundred plus that have come out since the TOY STORTs? What about the 20 or 30 decent 3Ds from the 50 -- all of which were actually SHOT in REAL 3D? What does it take to transfer them to BluRay disks? What are they waiting for...all of us who saw the HOUSE OF WAX when we were kids to die off? Then where will the demand be?
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