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Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 02-24-2013, 05:17 PM:

Using two monitors side by side I've watched both 'Oklahoma!' in both Todd-AO and Cinemascope, and 'The Big Trail' in both Grandeur and conventional 35 mm. Are there any other films available on DVD which were made in two completely different versions?

Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 02-24-2013, 05:33 PM:

I think Around the World in 80 days is as well. It shares the 30 frame, 70mm format with Oklahoma. Louis

Posted by Claude S. Ayakawa (Member # 1401) on 02-24-2013, 06:29 PM:

OKLAHOMA was photographed in 65mm Todd AO only at 30 fps and again in 35mm CinemaScope . AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS was photographed in 65mm Todd AO in both 30 and 24 fps.

-Claude

Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 02-24-2013, 07:37 PM:

The 2-disc special edition DVD of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers includes both a CinemaScope and standard wide (flat) version that were actually shot and composed seperately. The Blu-Ray of The Robe includes an optional insert box that shows the majority of the scenes from the regular (seperately shot) version. Too bad that Disney only included a pan-and-scan version of Lady and the Tramp with their scope version instead of the one actually framed and composed for a standard release version (which may have never been used theatrically).

Posted by Jim Cassedy (Member # 4115) on 02-24-2013, 09:57 PM:

Not excactly the same thing, but- -

I remember running a Laurel & Hardy festival some years
back, and many of their early films were shot several times,
with L&H learning or reading their lines phonetically off of
cue cards and the supporting cast members being "foreigners"
who spoke 'the other' language fluently.

The camera angles,editing and even props were often different
in the 'foreign' versions. We ran some documentary which
showed several split-screen examples of this.

I just did some searching, and you can see some photos
HERE

Posted by Jock Blakley (Member # 6552) on 02-25-2013, 06:20 AM:

Perhaps slightly off-topic, but I keep finding myself hoping that D-Cinema's support for 30 fps might one day lead to seeing to us seeing restorations/re-issues of those original Todd-AO productions...

(OKLAHOMA's current 2K DCP is, disappointingly, the 1982 'scope re-issue, right down to the Samuel Goldwyn logo and lack of overture and intermission).

Posted by Bernie Anderson Jr (Member # 410) on 02-25-2013, 06:53 AM:

Brigadoon was another one. They shot the first scene in scope and then stopped, set up the flat lens and shot it again in flat. Two totally different takes of the same movie. I think it was Van Johnson that caught on to it, they were making two movies and getting paid for one. Would love to see the flat version.

Posted by Dennis Benjamin (Member # 1137) on 02-25-2013, 10:29 AM:

I know that "On the Waterfront" was just released on Blu-Ray in three different formats.

Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 02-25-2013, 12:52 PM:

Criterion's Explanation of Aspect Ratios for ON THE WATERFRONT

Posted by Leo Enticknap (Member # 534) on 02-25-2013, 02:17 PM:

There was an Academy and a 1:85 version of Touch of Evil: the Eureka BD has both.

In the late '20s there were numerous films shot in both silent and sound versions, in many cases with major differences in the script and some scenes. One of the most famous is Hitchcock's Blackmail, though annoyingly the silent version has never (to my knowledge) been published on any home video format. There was also a brief fad for multiple language versions in Europe in the early days of sound. Each scene would be shot three times on the same set, usually (though not always) with the same director, but with multiple casts of actors, e.g. for the English, French and German versions. None are known to survive in all the versions in their entirety, though.

Posted by Mitchell Dvoskin (Member # 751) on 02-25-2013, 09:39 PM:

Dracula (1931) was shot in both English and Spanish on the same sets with different actors. The Spanish version is almost 20 minutes longer with extra scenes. Both versions are in the Universal Monsters Bluray boxed set.

Posted by Daniel Schulz (Member # 1881) on 02-25-2013, 09:49 PM:

I don't think you can get both on DVD/Blu Ray, but Angelina Jolie shot In the Land of Blood and Honey in both English and Serbian-Croatian. Each scene had two takes, one in each language.

Posted by Joe Tommassello (Member # 4632) on 04-29-2013, 03:01 PM:

I believe "The Robe" was shot flat and in scope.

Posted by Richard P. May (Member # 3598) on 04-29-2013, 06:05 PM:

I was told by a veteran of the MGM sound department that the musical numbers on SEVEN BRIDES were shot with the same vocal and orchestral playback in both versions. The picture format, as mentioned above, was adjusted for the screen shape, but otherwise the performances had to be virtually identical.
The same was probably the case with BRIGADOON.

Posted by Aaron Garman (Member # 1653) on 04-29-2013, 10:21 PM:

Lady and the Tramp had both a Cinemascope version and a 1.33 version for theaters not yet ready for widescreen.

To my knowledge, the 1.33 version only ever appeared on a special edition LaserDisc : previous pan-n-scan masters were made from the Cinemascope version.

AJG