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Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 09-30-2004, 01:15 AM:

Anyone seen it done that way nowadays?

Posted by Dick Vaughan (Member # 540) on 09-30-2004, 02:25 AM:

Not as yet but I have discussed the possibility with our friends at IMAX.

I had asked the question about running on changeovers on our SR sytem as we currently only have 75 minute capacity platters. The problem is the first and second halves have separate sound files for the DTAC and someone would need to play about with them to get them to run through. Not something I want to get in to.

The fade out to intermission titles would also have to be dealt with but this would be an easypart of the job by adjusting right dowser close/ changeover frame count in the presets.

Ironically(waits for Film God Gordon to say I told you so [Wink]

) if we had 90 minute platters and were still using a dubber(with a tower for the 35mm mag tracks [Big Grin]

) on a regular basis it would be more straightforward needing only a sharp razor blade and some splicing tape [Roll Eyes]

Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 09-30-2004, 11:08 AM:

Thanks for the info Dick. Yeah, it seems the DTAC is what's killing any options for this. A buddy is setting this title up to run at the Brenden Palms here, and the bosses asked if it could be run straight through. For now I guess it will run with the intermission.

Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 09-30-2004, 04:24 PM:

Rolling Stones at the Max is available for non-intermission use. There is a dramatic pause in action between reels, though, just long enough for you to go "is it coming back or what?". There are one or two prints specifically set up to run uninterrupted ... you just have to ask DKP about it.

The .seg files for extended length soundtracks have nothing to do with the different parts of the film. Even GTs with non-changeover full-length titles have .seg files on the DTAC.

You can run a single short title as a changeover on the SR and not have to make any changes in DTAC because the SR projectors continuously send timecode. When the changeover is made, the timecode seamlessly switches between projectors where it left off.

Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 09-30-2004, 04:45 PM:

quote: Mr. Vaughan who was too stuck up to drop by when he was here last year
Ironically(waits for Film God Gordon to say I told you so [Wink] ) if we had 90 minute platters and were still using a dubber(with a tower for the 35mm mag tracks [Big Grin] ) on a regular basis it would be more straightforward needing only a sharp razor blade and some splicing tape [Roll Eyes]

Since Gordon's busy tonight, I'll step in for him and say, "He told you so, and so would have I if you'd asked!".

Posted by Dan Suomi (Member # 2585) on 09-30-2004, 06:08 PM:

This is what we did for a 3D double feature, you could do the same for Rolling Stones. All you have to do is treat Part one of Rolling Stones as a Trailer and Part 2 as the feature. Put part one on the platter then splice part 2 onto the end of part one. Run the film and when part one ends stop the projectors, put the splice in the apreture block and sync up in DTAC just as you would do for a trailer on any other film. Make a simple announcment before you show the film stating that even though the film shows and intermission card there really won't be one and the film will continue.

Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 09-30-2004, 06:27 PM:

Or, if you don't have the QTRU upgrade, attach the appropriate changeover tail/leader and program it as an EP feature.

I thought you guys ran it as a changeover in Grand Rapids and they had a special DTAC soundtrack made for running it as a single film.

But running it on DTAC as a trailer would work just as well. In fact, you can splice any two (or more!) films together with this method for multi-feature shows.

Posted by Dan Suomi (Member # 2585) on 09-30-2004, 06:43 PM:

Nope, we did it like I described in Lansing. Believe it or not we fit 69 min onto a 60min platter. [Smile]

Posted by Gordon McLeod (Member # 33) on 10-02-2004, 01:45 AM:

Okay Dick I told you so no guiness tonight for you you have to drink Tetley's [Smile]

With the intermission the snakc bar does booming business on a dead picture so why bite the hand that feeds you [Smile]

Posted by Paul Mayer (Member # 355) on 10-02-2004, 12:09 PM:

I'll pass along the trailer idea. Rolling Stones opened yesterday at the Brenden Palms, playing one show a day at 3:40 with Harry Potter getting the other three. We'll see what they decide. I'm sure the casino would rather have those patrons dropping money in the pit or the slots as opposed to a theatre snackbar. That theatre has lousy per caps anyway, since one has to walk through the casino food court to get to the theatre lobby. Every minute counts. [Wink]

Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 01-07-2005, 11:44 AM:

Why has there always been a kind of culture to rip out intermissions on films that have them? I could never understand that, given the fact that any manager worth his salt knows that, as Paul pointed out, intermissions mean increased per cap concessions sales. All those roadshow pictures that would come in with the intermisison tags & additional music always missing, would drive me crazy.

Intermissions are good for sales, they are good for showmanship (they give the show a "roadshow" feel that the audience understands as special). I know there always was a push to get in as many shows per day as you could and cutting out intermissions could give you that one extra show, but, hey, in second run and rep engagements, which is where the intermissions seem to get ripped, let's face it, no one is selling out every show for a film that is decades old, so the need to squeeze in that extra show seems foolish. So why? I've never been able to figure it out. And to the guys who do chop off the intermission title and the music, even if for some reason you feel you just HAVE to run a film like, say, LAWRENCE without an intermission, at least splice the damn elements back at the end of your grindhouse run (bet the bottom of your screen is 15 feet above the floor and the exit doors are under it and there's soda goo under every seat and the way you clean the popcorn off the floor is to let the mice have at it....I know your kind!)

Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 01-07-2005, 01:08 PM:

The only reason there was an intermission in Rolling Stones at the Max is because the equipment required it. The original systems couldn't hold the full 90-some minutes of the concert film and it had to be split in half. Now, with newer equipment, many systems are capable of running the full print.

Your intermission rants don't belong in the Large Format Forum.

It's pretty dumb to have an intermission 45 minutes into a concert film ... you're just getting into it and bam! intermission.

This film DOES sell out decades later.

Large Format theaters don't arbitrarily remove elements from films.

Large Format films don't have intermission music built in.

The bottom of the screen isn't 15 feet above the floor. It's 15+ feet below the floor and the exits are in the rear and mid-auditorium.

Many LF theaters are in museums and other institutions and often food is not allowed in the auditorium.

Posted by Dan Suomi (Member # 2585) on 01-07-2005, 01:52 PM:

Adam,

Glad to see that your still alive!!

Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 01-07-2005, 05:11 PM:

Someone touched a nerve!