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Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-22-2012, 04:53 PM:
 
12:30pm show, Sunday July 22. Auditorium #9 15/70 IMAX film (not an MPX auditorium).

Problems:
-Very dim xenon bulb with lots and lots of flicker.
-No subwoofer.
-Shitty EQ with emphasis on treble.
-Horrible aperture, fuzz on every edge, some more than others.
-Very soft focus, looked worse than 35mm at pretty much any given theater.

I mentioned my problems to the manager (Leonard, whom I remember being much larger so kudos to him if it's the same guy for the weight loss. Really, I mean it. Good job). But the first thing out of his mouth was "This is film". That was his excuse for how bad it looked. He claimed the xenon bulb was brand new. He did seem to know about the lack of subwoofer but beyond that said that he wasn't going to argue. He did not seem at all interested in correcting the problems. He did give me a refund which I did not ask for, however.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 07-22-2012, 05:26 PM:
 
Too bad about the presentation quality being sub-par there. I'm wondering how good the 15/70 projection is at the Cinemark IMAX theater in Colorado Springs.

I figure there's four possible theaters where I might be able to check out The Dark Knight Rises in film-based IMAX:
Cinemark 17 & IMAX, Dallas
Cinemark Tulsa IMAX
Cinemark Carefree Circle & IMAX, Colorado Springs
Bob Bullock IMAX Theater, Austin

Does any FT participants have any recent 15/70 show experiences at any of those four theaters?
 
Posted by Victor Liorentas (Member # 5272) on 07-22-2012, 06:17 PM:
 
I may have lost my mind if I were there and he says "this is film" as if that is how film looks because it's not up to the superior digital cinema look! [Mad]
 
Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 07-22-2012, 08:32 PM:
 
Bobby, you're best bet will the State Museum in Austin.

The three Cinemark theaters converted to digital and then reinstalled 15/70 for Dark Knight. Austin, on the other hand, has operated a GT film projector all along. It and the sound system were optimized for performance last September just prior to the museum hosting the GSCA conference.
 
Posted by Michael Putlack (Member # 6523) on 07-22-2012, 08:33 PM:
 
Fuck! I just bought my tickets to see TDKR there for tomorrow night! [Frown]
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-22-2012, 09:38 PM:
 
quote: Joseph L. Kleiman
The three Cinemark theaters converted to digital and then reinstalled 15/70 for Dark Knight. Austin, on the other hand, has operated a GT film projector all along. It and the sound system were optimized for performance last September just prior to the museum hosting the GSCA conference.
And there's your answer. Translation, assuming that these 3 theaters ever DID have good projectionists (maybe they did, maybe not)...now that they haven't ran film in a long time, the odds of them having a good projection staff still around to handle the 1570 film is slim to none.

Patronize a theater that has been running 1570 nonstop. Your chances of a good show are significantly better.
 
Posted by Geoff Jones (Member # 3668) on 07-22-2012, 10:18 PM:
 
I guess I have been beaten down by so many bad movie-going experiences that I didn't find it quite so bad. Or maybe things got worse since I was there. (I was at the 9am on Saturday.) Or maybe I'm not discerning enough. [Smile] I try!

- I remember noticing that it seemed a little dim in one of the early catwoman scenes, but that was it.
- I did notice the flicker during the end credits, but did not notice it during the film.
- Focus was not an issue for me, nor edge aperture issues.
- Audio was good for me. Though in hind-sight, I guess it wasn't as bass-y as Imax can/ should be.

I was in the fourth row, dead center. Joe, where did you sit?

Should we have a road trip to Colorado Springs to see if they are doing any better?
 
Posted by Jonathan Althaus (Member # 5042) on 07-22-2012, 10:31 PM:
 
Brad

The Cinemark Dallas brought back its old booth manager to run the 15/70 for the weekend, not sure about the rest of the run. The presentation was as flawless as Dark Knight was 4 years ago
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-22-2012, 11:41 PM:
 
Geoff, yeah it sounds like maybe you're just not a very discerning moviegoer.

It's definitely the worst film presentation I have seen that wasn't also scratched and/or dirty. Regal does not seem to care about their customer's experiences in Colorado.

Cinemark sounds like they care more than Regal does.
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-22-2012, 11:41 PM:
 
Jonathan, That's great they bothered to do that, but we all know it only takes one misthread to destroy a print. Is he/she going to run EVERY performance of that print through the run? I'm betting there is no backup projectionist who is truly skilled there anymore.

That being said, the last couple of times I saw a presentation at the Cinemark Webb Chapel it would've earned a poor review due to scratches, incredible amounts of dirt and flat out bad sound.
 
Posted by Jim Henk (Member # 3628) on 07-22-2012, 11:48 PM:
 
Um... Regal? The Regal 15/70 in Irvine is threaded by floor staff, *when it's their turn*. No kidding.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 07-23-2012, 02:22 PM:
 
Hmm. Well I do have some friends who live just north of Austin. They've been bugging me to come down and visit. So this might be a good excuse to do so.

I had a hunch the theater in Austin would be the better bet just for the fact they've been running 15/70mm film all along.

I came close to driving down there to see Mission: Impossible, Ghost Protocol, but stopped short of doing so for a couple different reasons -one of them being complaints about the 35mm source footage looking digital/jaggy.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-23-2012, 02:30 PM:
 
Where's a mofo to enjoy a movie any more? On Blu-ray, that's where. MI4 was much more enjoyable on Blu-ray than it was in digital IMAX, not because of the visuals, but because of the sound. They should call the DigIMAX version MI:4K because that's the predominant audio frequency that will be meeting your ears at a very high decibel rate.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-23-2012, 06:24 PM:
 
Joe, I wish you lived closer so you could drop by here and have a listen to our sound. I know what I like, but it would be good to have a critical listen done by somebody with a good ear who isn't a salesperson.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-23-2012, 06:54 PM:
 
I'll definitely drop by if I'm ever through Montana. I like theater owners like you, actually asking for critique instead of just trying to sweep everything under the rug like the chains do. I'm sure I might catch some small things that we could fix with no money, only a small amount of time.
 
Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 07-23-2012, 09:20 PM:
 
..and have Joe bring his Ivey to really analyze the sound to what he hears.
 
Posted by Michael Putlack (Member # 6523) on 07-24-2012, 03:26 PM:
 
I saw TDKR at the Regal Colorado Center 9 yesterday, the 7:30 showing.

-The focus wasn't as crisp as it could have been.
-There were totally no subs!
-The edges looked fine to me.
-There was some horizontal shaking happening throughout the film.
-The print is already starting to collect dust [uhoh]

Great movie though!
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-24-2012, 03:35 PM:
 
This is why film has gone away -- actual doesn't live up to potential -- even IMAX can be done wrong.

My last IMAX experience was horrible. Not just dust, but huge hair in the gate. And horrible, loud, screechy, piercing sound.

(And now, let's see the flames!)
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-24-2012, 03:50 PM:
 
That's not why film has gone away, Manny. Film has gone away for money reasons. Keep in mind that exhibition quality is not something that is generally cared about. It's no secret that the Regal Colorado Center 9 is full of incompetence, though. It's also very true that district manager Tim Campbell has no desire to get it fixed. Check out the pictures here on Film-Tech for the UA Denver Pavilions to see how Tim keeps his booth (captions for the pics are NOT by me, however, and it was a Sunday not a Thursday). The pictures were taken when he was managing the place. This kind of neglect gets you promoted at Regal. This is why out of state Regals are better than Colorado Regals... the DM.

Michael. I got responses using this e-mail:
CQO@IMAX.com
 
Posted by Manny Knowles (Member # 1171) on 07-24-2012, 10:03 PM:
 
I'd agree that it's probably "all about the money" but the lack of quality showmanship justified it.
 
Posted by John Stewart (Member # 989) on 07-24-2012, 11:16 PM:
 
Bobby, I haven't been to the Bullock in a while but the 15/70 I've seen there has been good. And so has the sound.
 
Posted by Kurt Zupin (Member # 2751) on 07-25-2012, 03:45 AM:
 
Joe, I was curious if you did get a response. What did they have to say? If you posted it on Facebook I missed it.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-25-2012, 04:05 AM:
 
David Keighley from IMAX responded and assured me that everything has been fixed but didn't go into any details. Who fixed it? What was done? And Michael's post above which was not long before the assurance of things being fixed makes me kind of weary. I was offered free IMAX passes but I don't care about that. I'd much rather they just get their act together instead.

I also asked him about Mission Impossible 4 being mixed way too hot in digital IMAX. Not sure if anyone remembers my story about that one. I was told that one had some sound issues initially and I wanted to corroborate that information. He did not comment on that one. I asked again, so maybe next time.
 
Posted by Cameron Glendinning (Member # 3516) on 07-25-2012, 07:09 AM:
 
If he says its fixed quite possibly its already fixed, a few complaints at the imax I work at (3 out of 12,000) customers about it being dark, led to a fly in visit from the local tech with in days of its opening!

quote: Michael Putlack
There was some horizontal shaking happening throughout the film
The shake mentioned is in the camera work, its hard to run with an huge IMAX camera on a steadicam is my guess! And yes the cinematography does have some moody dark sequences.....
 
Posted by Dennis Benjamin (Member # 1137) on 07-25-2012, 08:31 AM:
 
<sarcasm>

A poor film presentation at a Regal Theatre location?

I don't believe you.

</sarcasm>
 
Posted by Frank B. McLaughlin (Member # 6683) on 07-25-2012, 12:47 PM:
 
Then which IMAX venue (in Denver metro)is worth spending the money on?
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-25-2012, 05:41 PM:
 
Well that's the only one that's film unless you go to Colorado Springs. The rest are DigIMAXes. The ones at the AMC 24 plexes are definitely worth avoiding. The one at the Colorado Mills seems pretty good other than the sound issue which I can't get any answers from anyone about, so I'd say avoid that one too for now. So I guess the best IMAX in the Denver metro area is the AMC Orchard 12.

Basically your best bet is to patronize non-IMAX screens or wait for the DVD.

Cameron, he didn't say it was fixed, he said he had been assured it was fixed. Sounds like he's not in direct control.
 
Posted by Ron Funderburg (Member # 4561) on 07-25-2012, 07:44 PM:
 
Bobby My assistant went to screening of Dark Knight Rises at the at your revered Imax at the Warren in Moore Oklahoma and he said the sound was atrocious if any sound was going on in the surrounds you couldn't hear them talk.

He likes the way I have our houses set up on sound much better. I would guess they didn't eq the house right. No that is not a guess!

I guess my question is are any of the digital Imax (commonly called liemax) set up right on digital sound?
 
Posted by Victor Liorentas (Member # 5272) on 07-25-2012, 08:51 PM:
 
The liemax version of Titanic I saw had painful highs when anyone shouted.
So the question is.Did the Dark Knight Rises sound mix get totally blundered or is something else at play here?
It seems everyone has issues with the sound no matter the venue!
I will be seeing it Saturday at the Toronto Scotiabank Imax but I did listen to some of it it 35mm Dolby digital and D.T.S.
It sounded loud but decent during the moments I heard...it did make me turn the volume down to 5.5 from 6.
 
Posted by Cameron Glendinning (Member # 3516) on 07-25-2012, 11:20 PM:
 
Sound seems pretty good to me in 70mm IMAX, I've only heard 1/2 an hour of it though, but not to harsh or tinny in my basic
opinion.
 
Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 07-25-2012, 11:45 PM:
 
personally I think it's a badly mixed film overall.
 
Posted by Michael Putlack (Member # 6523) on 07-26-2012, 11:54 AM:
 
quote: Cameron Glendinning
The shake mentioned is in the camera work, its hard to run with an huge IMAX camera on a steadicam is my guess! And yes the cinematography does have some moody dark sequences.....
The credits had the shaking too.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 07-26-2012, 12:45 PM:
 
quote: Ron Funderburg
Bobby My assistant went to screening of Dark Knight Rises at the at your revered Imax at the Warren in Moore Oklahoma and he said the sound was atrocious if any sound was going on in the surrounds you couldn't hear them talk.
I haven't seen a movie on the Lie-MAX screen Warren Theaters added to the Moore 14. So I can't tell you how good/bad the sound is there.

The other "regular" theaters in the Moore 14 are all THX-certified and Dolby Digital Cinema equipped. The new Lie-MAX screen is not THX certified.

AFAIK, no IMAX-branded screen anywhere has ever met THX certification standards. I'm not a speaker expert, but from outward appearances the speaker systems often used in IMAX theaters have more resemblence to the loud, but poorer sounding giant sized enclosures used in concert venues.
 
Posted by Ron Funderburg (Member # 4561) on 07-26-2012, 04:39 PM:
 
In Imax main stream movies the most disturbing thing I find (other than the sound has never measured up) is the changing of picture size. It bugs me to go from Scope format to Imax format and then jump back. My BluRay of Tron Legacy does that watching it on the screen here one those jumps just drove me to distraction! Make the freaking format consistent full screen scope or flat not all!!!!
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-26-2012, 08:26 PM:
 
quote: Bobby Henderson
AFAIK, no IMAX-branded screen anywhere has ever met THX certification standards. I'm not a speaker expert, but from outward appearances the speaker systems often used in IMAX theaters have more resemblence to the loud, but poorer sounding giant sized enclosures used in concert venues.
Indeed. People always talk about how great IMAX sound is supposed to be. Really? It may be fine for a nature documentary but for a real movie, it definitely is not. I've never in my entire life come out of an IMAX presentation thinking "Wow, that was some good sound". Instead, if I am left with any impression, it was how large the image was. And that's only in 2D. Watch something in IMAX 3D and the image appears soooo much smaller when you put the glasses on.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 07-26-2012, 10:30 PM:
 
I wasn't as distracted by the aspect ratio changes in The Dark Knight as other viewers. I appreciated Christopher Nolan shooting parts of the movie in the special venue film format.

However, what I wish could have happened like since 1995 when the stadium theater building boom began: big budget movies would return to the use of 5-perf 65mm cinematography and 70mm prints. Lots of big theaters with over sized screens were built since 1995 and dozens of them had screens that were really too big for 35mm to handle. 35mm wasn't bright enough and the image being blown up so big wasn't steady enough either. The traditional 5-perf 70mm format had a big opportunity for a comeback but it never happened.

5-perf 70mm could have survived this major transition to digital. The biggest, best traditional theaters could have kept showing that kind of film format while everybody else converted to video. But with all the steps taken to digitize post production and design it mostly around HDTV resolution, it took away much of the point in originating on 65mm in the first place.

I never really took the IMAX DMR process very seriously, especially when it was being used on some movies produced on video in HDTV resolution. The Dark Knight at least had some native 15/65mm photography to do the IMAX brand some justice. Sadly, this last Batman installment could be the end of 15/70 use. After that the IMAX brand won't mean anything to me.

quote: Joe Redifer
Watch something in IMAX 3D and the image appears soooo much smaller when you put the glasses on.
Yep. That's one of the peculiar things about 3D movies. They tend to make the image look small. The more the 3D depth effect is enhanced the more tiny everything seems to look. Our sense of visual scale is tied to our perception of depth.

A 2D movie shot in native IMAX is going to look huge, especially if the imagery has very deep depth of field. Shoot some aerial footage of a big city skyline and tilt the IMAX camera downward. That can make some audience members motion sick or feel like they're going to fall out of their chair and into the screen!
[evil]
 
Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 07-27-2012, 03:13 AM:
 
quote:
A 2D movie shot in native IMAX is going to look huge, especially if the imagery has very deep depth of field. Shoot some aerial footage of a big city skyline and tilt the IMAX camera downward. That can make some audience members motion sick or feel like they're going to fall out of their chair and into the screen!
That's because 2D actually looks more real than 3D. [Wink]
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 07-27-2012, 12:57 PM:
 
I've told lots of people that 3-D looks better from closer up, since it fills more of your field of vision etc. I've managed to "convert" quite a few people, but some still insist that it looks better from the balcony, which is 80+ feet away from our 30' screen. I don't see how that could be, but there's no point arguing I guess.
 
Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 07-27-2012, 02:04 PM:
 
There are really people who like to watch 3D from the balcony? That's crazy. I agree completely that much of the effect is lost when one sits in the back of the theatre. In general, I like to sit rather close to the screen, anyway...usually around two screen heights back, which is often the first "real" row of seating in a modern stadium-style theatre (or about 1/3 back in a conventional house).

The best 3D that I have ever seen (and I am not a 3D fan, but I feel the need to give credit here) was the Imax Space Station 3D film, which I saw from the second row.

As for Dark Knight (which I have not seen and have little interest in seeing), I am sort of curious about how the shots were composed. Standard Imax shot composition does not use the rule of thirds, but rather puts the subject of greatest importance in the bottom center of the screen, and everything else just becomes peripheral. Obviously, DK was intended to be watched on conventional screens as well, and I am curious about how a compromise was reached.

Finally, I just don't get the people who don't like the Imax sound system. Maybe they have had bad experiences or there are some bad installations (or mixes), but my personal feeling is that the Imax houses that I have visited (real, 15/70 GT or dome...not Lie-Max or SR) blow away conventional theatres in sound quality. Not just in SPL, but also the feeling of power-without-distortion.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-27-2012, 11:15 PM:
 
Well we don't get you either, Scott! But as you pointed out, all IMAX sound systems are not equal, so you can't really say "I prefer IMAX sound to average-schmoe theater sound". No, you can only say "I prefer that sound of such-and-such an auditorium over other auditoriums, and such-and-such an auditorium just happens to be IMAX".
 
Posted by Edward Havens (Member # 4715) on 07-28-2012, 12:13 AM:
 
Did any theatre operator ever attempt to get THX certification for an IMAX theatre? I mean, when THX certification actually meant something.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-28-2012, 05:19 AM:
 
I doubt IMAX would ever allow that.

Also, is it unusual for IMAX operators to open the port glass as they blow out the projector during threading and then start the thing up with the glass still open? They did that at the Colorado Center 9 for whatever reason. Maybe they were using my old manager's logic of cooling off the booth.
 
Posted by Hillary Charles (Member # 769) on 07-28-2012, 10:54 AM:
 
The advantage of 3-D in IMAX is while the scale does appear to be reduced, the hugeness of the image makes the edges of the frame meaningless. Smaller screens generally must avoid violating the "stereo window," keeping the depth of the action at a given distance. Since that rule need not apply in IMAX, the environment we're watching can extend much farther off the screen without being gimmicky.

Two totally different effects, but each valid depending upon the intent.
 
Posted by Dick Vaughan (Member # 540) on 07-28-2012, 12:11 PM:
 
quote: Joe Redifer
Also, is it unusual for IMAX operators to open the port glass as they blow out the projector during threading and then start the thing up with the glass still open? They did that at the Colorado Center 9 for whatever reason
Never happened in any of the 100 or more IMAX theatres I've been in.
 
Posted by Frank Angel (Member # 248) on 07-28-2012, 12:33 PM:
 
In addition to Hillary's point, LieMAX 3D is decidedly brighter than what you will find in what Joe has dubbed the "average-schmoe theater" so the image looks nearly as bright as a normal 2D presentation. Add to that, it has both left eye and right eye images on the screen simultaniously -- no temporal eye-straining distortion. Put that all together and the LieMAX 3d presentation is as good as the best dual film projection 3D, i.e., damn good. The 3D presentation in a LieMax theatre is hands-down the best way to see a 3D movie; so much so that I won't even bother with 3D unless it's at a LieMax.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 07-28-2012, 06:06 PM:
 
quote: Hillary Charles
The advantage of 3-D in IMAX is while the scale does appear to be reduced, the hugeness of the image makes the edges of the frame meaningless. Smaller screens generally must avoid violating the "stereo window," keeping the depth of the action at a given distance. Since that rule need not apply in IMAX, the environment we're watching can extend much farther off the screen without being gimmicky.

Yes, but only if you're lucky enough to be sitting in the middle of the auditorium.
 
Posted by Hillary Charles (Member # 769) on 07-29-2012, 09:12 AM:
 
quote: Joe Redifer
Yes, but only if you're lucky enough to be sitting in the middle of the auditorium.
Oh yeah! We ALWAYS get there early enough to have our choice of seats within that "sweet spot."
 
Posted by Scott Jentsch (Member # 1681) on 07-31-2012, 11:21 AM:
 
I remember the IMAX sequences were more impressive in The Dark Knight when they opened up vertically, and there were only a few times in The Dark Knight Rises when I actually noticed that the image was taller. The transition between scope and IMAX were more subtle this time around.

Given that, I don't think I would have any issues about seeing the movie on a good-sized scope screen. I don't think the extra height added all that much, and I certainly hope they don't do the aspect ratio dance on the Blu-ray like they did with TDK.

I'd also like to see the movie again just to see if another theater would have better bass and surround envelopment. Does anyone know if the IMAX release is a different sound mix than the non IMAX release?
 
Posted by Victor Liorentas (Member # 5272) on 07-31-2012, 03:41 PM:
 
I bet this Imax theater simply has no bass at the moment because there was plenty of sub bass at the one I attended.The bass level in the mix seems pretty close to our 35mm D.T.S and Dolby Digital.
 
Posted by Lyle Romer (Member # 1266) on 08-01-2012, 05:21 AM:
 
quote: Scott Jentsch
I remember the IMAX sequences were more impressive in The Dark Knight when they opened up vertically, and there were only a few times in The Dark Knight Rises when I actually noticed that the image was taller. The transition between scope and IMAX were more subtle this time around.
Maybe this is due to more footage being in IMAX this time? Also, it seems that more of the transitions were during dark scenes in this one. Plus, the intro of the Joker in The Dark Knight was designed to "stand out" vs. the more James Bond like opening sequence in The Dark Knight Rises.
 
Posted by Tony L. Hernandez (Member # 3524) on 08-08-2012, 04:55 AM:
 
We took a trip down to the theater mentioned in the title on 8/07 for the 10:45pm and all things considered, found the presentation to fall somewhere between "good" and "very good". I was also quite pleased to find the the print has remained extremely clean and in perfect condition. We had a great time and witnessed something truly amazing!

On a more critical note, I must agree with Joe about there being several illumination issues and quite frankly, it was abysmal. I would not, however, call any part of the picture dim; my problem was with the almost blinding hot spot in the center that gradually faded out more evenly. Perhaps this was an extremely botched remedy to the dim picture Joe spoke of. The flicker he mentioned was present.
I did notice some travel ghost durring the credits but did not notice it elsewhere.
There were also about 20 random, loud "pops" in the sound that occurred about 25 isolated times throughout the screening. Subs seemed great.

The plates certainly were not good but far from the worst i've ever seen. "Acceptable" is how I will rate them.

I must disclose that my review should perhaps be taken with a half-grain of salt. I am sure I saw the presentation thru rose-colored glasses as I have never before seen an actual 15/70 IMAX presentation (barring a handful of nature shorts at the Denver Museum of Nautre and Science which went digital itself about 1 1/2 years ago) and have long feared I never would. Given the fact that I am a full-time theater operator myself with very few nights off and no time for significant ammount of time for travel, this was most likely my last and only chance to cross viewing a 15/70 feature off my bucket list. For this alone, I am eternally thankful and alas, much more forgiving and less critical that I would be of any other presentation. Needless to say, I also have nothing else to compare it to [Wink]
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-08-2012, 04:17 PM:
 
Sounds like they fixed maybe a couple of issues, or at least the subs. I'm wondering if the film projector was reinstalled a bit too close, resulting in the fuzzy edges. You also described a problem inherent with silver screens, but to my knowledge IMAX does not use silver screens, even in their digital locations.

Also, why are IMAX auditoriums always so small? This one was 350 seats or so. The one at the Luxor in Vagas couldn't have been more than 100 or 150 seats. The Denver museum IMAX seems much bigger. But maybe that's because I haven't been there since I was a kid.
 
Posted by Victor Liorentas (Member # 5272) on 08-08-2012, 04:29 PM:
 
The 2 Imax theaters capable of 3d which I recently attended did indeed have silver screens and aperture fuzz at the top of the screen.
Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn and Cineplex Scotiabank Toronto.
Both things bug me but to fix aperture fuzz just raise that bitch up a little [Roll Eyes] Why can't they do that?
 
Posted by Geoff Jones (Member # 3668) on 08-08-2012, 08:27 PM:
 
Tony, thanks for posting the update. I've been thinking about going back, and this is encouraging.

Joe, thanks for complaining in the first place.

Geoff "not a very discerning moviegoer" Jones
 
Posted by Dick Vaughan (Member # 540) on 08-09-2012, 04:22 AM:
 
Joe

All IMAX 3D screens are silver.

Dick
 
Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 08-09-2012, 08:10 AM:
 
Dick,

Have you forgotten the anaglyph print of 'We are Born of Stars' which ran at Bradford many years ago when you had the original system there? Was that unique, or were there any other anaglyph IMAX films? I've never heard of any others.

Are there any plans to install digital IMAX in Bradford, and if so will it be in addition to, or replacing, film?
 
Posted by Jeffry L. Johnson (Member # 453) on 08-09-2012, 10:03 AM:
 
nWave rereleased _Encounter in the Third Dimension_ in the ColorCode (yellow/blue) anaglyph process. Initial polaroid release in 1999. ColorCode version release in 2000.
 
Posted by Joe Redifer (Member # 3) on 08-09-2012, 07:01 PM:
 
quote: Dick Vaughan
All IMAX 3D screens are silver.
Thanks for updating my knowledge. That's pretty lame, though. Especially with such large screens.
 
Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 08-10-2012, 08:08 AM:
 
quote: Joe Redifer
Thanks for updating my knowledge. That's pretty lame, though. Especially with such large screens.
There were a few IMAX locations that used active 3D glasses, but they seem to be gone. IMAX 3D and D-IMAX 3D uses polarized glasses and polarizers in front of the projectors. With a white screen, this would simply not work.

The IMAX 3D is of the horizontal/vertical polarization kind. If you tilt your head just a little bit, the whole image starts to become one big mess. I don't know why they don't use circular polarization like Real-D, but I guess it has something to do with this kind of polarizers being more light-efficient.

When you watch a movie in D-IMAX 3D, you can actually see and often hear the polarizers being positioned in front of the lenses.
 
Posted by Dave Macaulay (Member # 813) on 08-10-2012, 09:34 AM:
 
"We Are Born Of Stars" was made for Fujitsu to show at their pavilion at a Japanese Expo in Tsukuba, 1985. It followed a test reel of Omnimax computer animated material for SIGGRAPH which proved the concept worked. Transforming flat animation into a hemispherical dome image gives a different possible projected 3D space compared to flat: the "3D window" effect is reduced even more than with flat IMAX and there is greater freedom in object placement within the auditorium space.
Anaglyph was used because there was no real alternative. An over/under polarized system would reduce image resolution and require silver screens (no solver domes existed) plus the linear polarized glasses cause issues in a dome theatre: you do a lot of looking around at images and tilting your head ruins the image separation. Circular polarizer material has gotten a lot more efficient since 1985 but today's best still lose more light than current linear polarizers.
This film was released to Omnimax and Imax theatres, at the time there were no silver IMAX screens so a polarized system would be useless. The image distortion on a flat screen is distracting but the story and most of the 3D effect are intact.
The IMAX Dome 3D system ("Solido") with active shutter glasses did not premiere until 5 years later at Expo 90 (Fujitsu again). Because of the head tilt problem, simple polarizer 3D was not acceptable so the LC shutter glasses were developed.
IMAX 3D on a silver screen premiered at Expo 86 in Vancouver, with polarized glasses. The Suntory pavilion had this 3D system at Expo 90. Producing a decent silver screen in IMAX size was a major hassle. Probably it still is.
Some other developments came and went. Using the shutter glasses along with polarizers gave reduced ghosting with almost no brightness loss, and this was used at the New York Lincoln Square IMAX and possibly other venues. It may have even had a name, "Crystal 3D" or something.
So, yes, there was "Imax" 3D content in 15/70 anaglyph. And yes, currently all Imax 3D screens are silver with their resulting and unavoidable hotspot.
I don't know if there is any 3D Dome system operating today, but these use a matte screen and shutter glasses.
 
Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 08-10-2012, 04:38 PM:
 
quote: Dave Macaulay
I don't know if there is any 3D Dome system operating today, but these use a matte screen and shutter glasses.
There is one location in the world that I know of, that is still using 3D on a dome with shutter glasses. Unfortunately, I did not yet have the opportunity to see it. It is in Futuroscope, a theme park in the South West of France. Futuroscope quite probably has the biggest IMAX density per square mile anywhere in the world, alongside the biggest diversity in IMAX technology. Unfortunately, most of it seems to be pretty tied up with some distinct attractions, so there is just a limited or no choice of movies to be made in a particular venue/attraction.

Furthermore, I really would love to see some real "made for the Dome" content on the IMAX Dome (aka Omnimax) for once. Wide angle nature scenes work pretty well on the dome, but anything getting to close to the camera looks awfully skewed. I've never seen a feature length movie on an IMAX dome, but I don't think I will like it.
 
Posted by Sean Weitzel (Member # 244) on 08-10-2012, 11:24 PM:
 
The very first IMAX theaters (such as the Pictorium theaters at the Marriott Great America theme parks in Santa Clara, CA and Gurnee, IL) had almost 1000 seats each. (980 from some literature I have seen). These theaters opened within the parks in 1979. "To Fly" 1976 was my first IMAX experience at the Santa Clara Great America. I must have been around 7 or 8 years old (early 1980's)

quote: Marcel Birgelen
Furthermore, I really would love to see some real "made for the Dome" content on the IMAX Dome (aka Omnimax) for once. Wide angle nature scenes work pretty well on the dome, but anything getting to close to the camera looks awfully skewed. I've never seen a feature length movie on an IMAX dome, but I don't think I will like it.
I've never seen a natively shot Omnimax film on a dome screen, I think there were only one or two titles* ever released in true Omnimax but I have seen a few feature length DMR releases projected onto a dome at the Hackworth Imax in San Jose. Needless to say, it doesn't work very well at all. For starters, when framing for full 4X3 aspect ratio of a traditional IMAX screen, you want to keep the horizon and eyeline down in the lower third of the frame. Features framed for traditional aspect ratio are tolerable on a flat screen, but on a dome completely fall apart. The eyelines are midway up from the bottom into a "zone" of the screen where a pincushion effect starts to alter the image. The extreme top of the frame is squeezed into a tiny distorted U shape. All in all it's very unpleasant to look at.

*Three titles in Omnimax: "Garden Isle - 1973" "Omnisphere - 1983" and "The Dream is Alive 1985"
 
Posted by Dick Vaughan (Member # 540) on 08-13-2012, 08:17 AM:
 
quote: Stephen Furley
Are there any plans to install digital IMAX in Bradford, and if so will it be in addition to, or replacing, film?

Not at present,they wouldn't fill the height of our screen and they are not inexpensive. We have a Christie 2K alongside our IMAX SR system but this is used for pre show slides, ads,trailers and some standard DCP holdover performances from our other two cinemas.
quote: Stephen Furley
Have you forgotten the anaglyph print of 'We are Born of Stars' which ran at Bradford many years ago when you had the original system there? Was that unique, or were there any other anaglyph IMAX films? I've never heard of any others.


No I haven't forgotten it and we still have it in storage. I was referring to current IMAX 3D screens. WABOS ran as a double bill along with Skyward a standard 2D short from the same EXPO.

quote: Dave Macaulay
Using the shutter glasses along with polarizers gave reduced ghosting with almost no brightness loss, and this was used at the New York Lincoln Square IMAX and possibly other venues. It may have even had a name, "Crystal 3D" or something.
So, yes, there was "Imax" 3D content in 15/70 anaglyph. And yes, currently all Imax 3D screens are silver with their resulting and unavoidable hotspot.
I don't know if there is any 3D Dome system operating today, but these use a matte screen and shutter glasses

The shutter glasses gave a really good image but were a)very expensive to buy , in the order of $250-350 a pair , which meant anti theft sytems had to be put in place to stop customers walking off with them, b) very labour intensive to clean, they couldn't be put through a dishwasher style machine and had to be washed one pair at a time on a specially designed unit and c) very heavy to wear , even after 40 minutes you came away with neck strain.
I think there were around 20-30 E3D installations including the short lived London Trocadero but as far as I know they have now all gone.
The headsets could also be used with Sonics Personal Sound Environment where there were small speakesr inside each headset.

quote: Sean Weitzel
I've never seen a natively shot Omnimax film on a dome screen, I think there were only one or two titles* ever released in true Omnimax but I have seen a few feature length DMR releases projected onto a dome at the Hackworth Imax in San Jose.
There were other films shot specifically with domes in mind , Seasons for example which was made for the Science Museum of Minnesota. http://www.smm.org/omni/seasons

Of late more Giant Screen film producers are making special dome prints of their films with altered contrast and framing.
 
Posted by Jonathan Goeldner (Member # 4854) on 08-17-2012, 06:02 PM:
 
in all honesty, I hate dome screens, the presentation of 'The Polar Express' I saw up in Syracuse New York, made me want to barf, the fishbowl imagining was visually distracting to say the least.
 
Posted by Geoff Jones (Member # 3668) on 09-03-2012, 10:57 PM:
 
I saw this again today at 1:10.

Picture-wise, the flickering was still not a problem for me. And I sit too close to notice aperture issues at the edges of the screen. It did seem to dim to me, more so than it did back on 7/22. But I still found it to be very watchable, and was thrilled to see what was possibly my last 70MM IMAX screening.

Sound-wise, there was a huge difference from before. The bass was thunderous, and the audio was excellent.

Thank you again, Joe, for your complaint that lead to getting the audio fixed. I'm Buddy Pine to your Bob Parr. I hope someday I can be as discerning as you.

And bravo to Regal for actually fixing it. If you ever show a 70MM IMAX print of a film I want to see again, I'll drive down from Broomfield, past 2 of your competitors. But not if you continue only with 2k LieMax.

I think I enjoyed TDKR a bit more the 2nd time. Lowered expectations helped. It has lots of faults, but is a big, sensational film.
 
Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 12-27-2012, 03:49 PM:
 
quote: Edward Havens
Did any theatre operator ever attempt to get THX certification for an IMAX theatre? I mean, when THX certification actually meant something.

The Mitsubishi IMAX Theatre at the California Science Center in Los Angeles opened in 1984, billing itself as the only IMAX Theatre in the world that was THX-certified. There was no THX snipe before the film, but the voice intro stated it, and poster boxes had the THX posters as well as newspaper ads. The two rear surrounds were of the JBL direct radiator type that were THX certified. The certification was dropped a few years later (possibly around the time Mitsubishi dropped its sponsorship). The theatre closed and was torn down when the new, much larger IMAX opened as part of the expanded museum. (the original IMAX was on the small size).
 
Posted by Marcel Birgelen (Member # 6801) on 12-28-2012, 07:27 AM:
 
quote: Paul Linfesty
The Mitsubishi IMAX Theatre at the California Science Center in Los Angeles opened in 1984, billing itself as the only IMAX Theatre in the world that was THX-certified.
So, they had two sound systems present in the same auditorium I guess?

And, they also had a baffle wall for their front speakers?
 
Posted by William Kucharski (Member # 7246) on 12-02-2013, 11:18 PM:
 
Did Catching Fire at the Regal Colorado look badly upconverted in the non-IMAX scenes to anyone else?

There where a few scenes where you could clearly make out the pixel structure. [Frown]
 
Posted by Terry Lynn-Stevens (Member # 7349) on 12-03-2013, 07:45 AM:
 
While I did not see it at the Regal Colorado, I did see it in IMAX-D. I wouldn't call the presentation terrible, but it is no IMAX 15/70 that's for sure.
 
Posted by William Kucharski (Member # 7246) on 12-03-2013, 10:14 AM:
 
quote:
… but it is no IMAX 15/70 that's for sure.
Nothing is. [Frown]
 
Posted by Terry Lynn-Stevens (Member # 7349) on 12-03-2013, 07:22 PM:
 
Lol, nothing comes close to 15/70 although IMAX is claiming that there new laser projector system will exceed it. We'll have to see what happens I guess.

I am not against Liemax as generally you kind of know what you are going to get. The theatre I attended was a purpose built IMAX theatre inside a multiplex. The picture was very bright and some of the images looked fantastic while some of them did not. There were a few scenes where the filmed in IMAX sequences looked great in Catching Fire while some others were not so great. The screen was about 65-70 wide and I would say 50 feet tall? It was not a mammoth purpose built screen it was on the smaller size that is for sure. Overall I found the showing to be pretty good, I like the fact that I do not have to watch any commercials in an IMAX presentation just the actual upcoming IMAX trailers and there only two of them, I also liked that there was reserved seating, and the sight lights from anywhere in the rear six rows were pretty decent.

Funny enough, the largest theatre in this complex has a screen that looked to me to be something like 80 feet wide in scope. It was a former THX house. I guess IMAX can't claim "The world's largest screen" at this location [puke]
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 12-04-2013, 10:57 AM:
 
quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
I am not against Liemax as generally you kind of know what you are going to get.
No, not really. IMAX refuses to notify customers in any way whether the theater is using 15-perf 70mm projectors or a pair of HDTV resolution video projectors. That's why a lot of people refer to it as "LieMAX". If the company continues this approach they won't make any mention of a 2K theater getting new 4K laser projectors. Customers will probably have to get any information about that stuff from third parties rather than anyone from IMAX. As far as IMAX company reps are concerned, all IMAX-branded theaters are the same, whether they're running 15/70mm film, 2K video or 4K video.
 
Posted by Terry Lynn-Stevens (Member # 7349) on 12-04-2013, 12:01 PM:
 
Bobby, that is bullshit I know exactly what I am going to get with IMAX in my area. There are no more IMAX 15/70 anywhere in my area except for two classic IMAX locations that show documentaries, but both are 90 minutes away and both do not show Hollywood fare. So watching a Hollywood movie in IMAX 15/70 is not an option for me. For the most part, the consumer has no choice if they are attending multiplex theatre with IMAX, they will be watching IMAX digital. The closest IMAX 15/70 location that is showing Hollywood movies is the Detroit location that is too far away. The chances of someone coming across a 15/70 Hollywood presentation are rather limited.

Also, the facts are that there are no more MPX 15/70 locations in the United States, they have all been converted to digital.

I like 15/70 IMAX far better than digital IMAX, but it is what it is, so move on.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 12-04-2013, 01:18 PM:
 
quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
Bobby, that is bullshit I know exactly what I am going to get with IMAX in my area.
Bullshit? Terry, are you dense or something? Why do you think IMAX got tagged with the LieMAX name?

Terry, where specifically did you find out the information about what kind of projectors are being used in the booth at the IMAX theaters in your area? If you say you saw it on IMAX' web site or any advertising from IMAX you're full of it. Customers have to find out by third party information outside of IMAX or actually look into booth through the port glass themselves (if that's even possible).

To this day IMAX has flatly refused to list any separate distinction on its web site or any of its advertising between true IMAX theaters equipped with 15-perf 70mm film projection and those that are merely digital. Their theater map shows 4 theater types: IMAX 3D, IMAX, IMAX Dome and Coming Soon. No difference between film or digital. And I will not be surprised if their map shows no distinction between 2K and 4K theaters once the 4K projectors start being installed.
 
Posted by Terry Lynn-Stevens (Member # 7349) on 12-04-2013, 01:32 PM:
 
Bobby, I think you need to educate yourself a little before you start calling someone dense. You are starting to get a little annoying.

quote: Bobby Henderson
Their theater map shows 4 theater types: IMAX 3D, IMAX, IMAX Dome and Coming Soon. No difference between film or digital.
Go back and read what it says. Under IMAX Theatre and IMAX Dome they both say they are using 15/70 technology.

Under IMAX 3D they say they are using both IMAX Digital and IMAX Retrofit for film. However, this a little outdated and likely has not been updated for a while now.

IMAX does not have anymore 15/70 MPX IMAX locations, that is fact, there is no getting around this fact. I know this is fact because IMAX themselves have said this and written this fact in financial paperwork that is released in their 2012 financial report. This paperwork can found on the IMAX website.

I copied this right from their paperwork.

IMAX MPX. In 2003, the Company launched a large-format theater system designed specifically for use in multiplex theaters. Known as IMAX MPX, this system had lower capital and operating costs than other IMAX systems and was intended to improve a multiplex owner’s financial returns and to allow for the installation of IMAX theater systems in markets that might previously not have been able to support one. As at December 31, 2012, there were no MPX systems in operation compared to 6 MPX systems as at December 31, 2011. The IMAX digital system has supplanted the MPX system as the Company’s multiplex product. The decrease in the number of MPX systems is attributable to the upgrade of existing MPX systems to IMAX digital systems.

quote: Bobby Henderson
or any of its advertising between true IMAX theaters equipped with 15-perf 70mm film projection and those that are merely digital.
Complete bullshit. IMAX says they are using DLP technology right after the IMAX countdown trailer and just before the feature presentation. I saw this on Gravity in 3D and I saw this on Hunger Games Catching Fire.

If you see an IMAX movie in any of the nine Cineplex locations in my province, you will be seeing an IMAX digital presentation. That is a fact, there is no way around this fact.
 
Posted by Adam Martin (Member # 641) on 12-04-2013, 01:56 PM:
 
quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
IMAX does not have anymore 15/70 MPX IMAX locations, that is fact, there is no getting around this fact.
That is correct. Except ... MPX is not the only 15/70 film system IMAX has/had in the field. There are three other IMAX projection systems that run 15/70 film, and many of them are still running.
 
Posted by Terry Lynn-Stevens (Member # 7349) on 12-04-2013, 02:06 PM:
 
Adam, there are not very many theatres that use the GT or SR systems in a multiplex location. I don't think any of the chains are using GT systems. Cineplex had a few purpose built IMAX locations that they inherited from Famous Players, these were not MPX locations. There were really nice theatres. Scotiabank Toronto had screen size of about 90 feet, Scotiabank was a really nice location, Scotia was the place to see 15/70 movies. All Cineplex 15/70 locations have now been converted to 2K digital.

Now that Cineplex has announced they have transitioned to become an all digital company, why would we assume Cineplex is still using 15/70?

Finally, if you go on the IMAX website, if it is listed as an IMAX Theatre or an IMAX Dome, it states that they are using IMAX 15/70.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 12-04-2013, 04:25 PM:
 
quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
Bobby, I think you need to educate yourself a little before you start calling someone dense. You are starting to get a little annoying.
Sending a harrasing note to my personal e-mail address is more than annoying. It's cowardly. If you send me any more e-mail notes like that I'll be more than happy to forward them to the moderators of this forum.

I'm calling you dense because you are ignoring the valid points I have made about IMAX' misleading advertsing. You refuse to acknowledge the facts on why so many people call it LieMAX. Instead, you're here to cheerlead the IMAX brand, or troll, or both.

Hashing out 15/70 MPX, GT, etc. setups is irrelevant. I'm keeping it as a simple film or digital question, which IMAX refuses to be clear about in its ads. The key you refer to on IMAX' theater map is fairly useless. The blue "IMAX 3D Theatre" icons lump "digital" and "film retrofit" into the same group. A digital-only theater, like the Warren Moore Theater in Moore, OK has the same kind of icon as the film-only IMAX theater at the Bob Bullock Texas State History Museum in Austin, TX. The green "IMAX Theater" and gold "IMAX Dome" icons are only showing up mostly at museum-based theaters (but not all them, previous example in Austin noted).

Finally, seeing a "DLP Technology" note on a trailer in the theater doesn't do the customer much good if he was actually trying to figure out in advance whether the theater was showing the movie on film or 2K digital.
 
Posted by Terry Lynn-Stevens (Member # 7349) on 12-04-2013, 09:15 PM:
 
quote: Bobby Henderson
Instead, you're here to cheerlead the IMAX brand, or troll, or both.
I am not here to cheerlead the brand nor am I am trolling. Would I rather see an IMAX movie in 15/70? Yes I would. Is it superior to digital IMAX? Yes it is. Would I seek out an IMAX 15/70 movie theatre in my area? Yes I would. Can I? No.

I see no issue with the issue of differentiating between 15/70 and digital in my area, why? Because there is no 15/70 left in the province of Ontario showing Hollywood movies in IMAX 15/70. Every person who watches an IMAX Hollywood at Cineplex will watch it in digital IMAX.

I used to have three theatres within 20 minutes driving distance that showed IMAX 15/70, they were all purpose built cinemas located within a multiplex, they have all converted to digital IMAX.

I have personally made the trip to see The Dark Knight, Tron Legacy, Dark Knight Rises and Skyfall and a few others in 15/70 at IMAX Scotiabank. All on the huge 90 foot screen and this was no MPX location. At that time was there an issue with IMAX advertising? sure there was. Did it bother me, not really as I knew where to see the movie. I recently had the chance to see Elysium in IMAX 15/70 as a second run presentation in a classic IMAX venue, I made the mistake of not going when I should of.

I personally do not care if people in Austin Texas are confused in whether they are seeing IMAX digital or 15/70, I don't live there nor does it matter to me. What matters to me is what is happening in my area to me.

It appears that you get all worked up about it, it seems that it really bothers you. I simply do not care to get myself worked up over it.

The IMAX theater that I saw Gravity and Catching Fire in was nice a theatre, it had upgraded seats, reserved seating, outstanding sightlines for the last six rows and the screen was bright and pretty sharp. The image was no 15/70 that's for damn sure but I knew that going in.

And Bobby, the facts are that IMAX is making more money than they have ever made in past, it makes no difference to average person if they are watching the movie IMAX 15/70 or IMAX digital and box office numbers are showing that. Does it suck that there is very limited 15/70 these days? Yes it does, but it is what it is so why don't we try to move on.

So back to my claim of am I getting a consistent presentation in my area? Yes I am and I am damn right about my claim.
 
Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 12-04-2013, 09:53 PM:
 
quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
the facts are that IMAX is making more money than they have ever made in past
That's due more to an increase in locations, diluting their "brand," taking over the biggest screen (and therefore having the best bookings) in a complex, and lowering their standards than it is to people being fans of Imax. If all Imax theaters were the quality they used to be, they'd be growing but not as fast as they can by whoring out the brand to "multiplex" theaters that are willing to cooperate in cheapening the Imax brand.

If I had ten crappy theaters I would make a certain amount of profit. If I built (or bought) 90 more crappy theaters I would make 10 times the profit, but you would still think I was doing great because my bottom line was growing, quality be damned. It doesn't make much sense to say that a company is "doing great" just because they're making more money. There are other factors involved.
 
Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 12-05-2013, 09:17 AM:
 
quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
It appears that you get all worked up about it, it seems that it really bothers you. I simply do not care to get myself worked up over it.
Terry, you have that completely backwards. You're worked up enough about this topic you resorted to sending a short, vulgar message to my e-mail box yesterday afternoon. In case you didn't know or forgot about it this is a moderated forum. See rule #1 and and rule #12 on the rules page.

quote: Terry Lynn-Stevens
I personally do not care if people in Austin Texas are confused in whether they are seeing IMAX digital or 15/70, I don't live there nor does it matter to me. What matters to me is what is happening in my area to me.
So you do agree IMAX' advertising, including the theater map on their web site, is indeed misleading.

If you don't care about the impact IMAX' misleading advertising has on other customers why are you taking part in this discussion? If you're only concerned about your own movie theater choices and are perfectly happy with IMAX Digital then you've been wasting a bunch of your time arguing with me.

quote: Mike Blakesley
That's due more to an increase in locations, diluting their "brand," taking over the biggest screen (and therefore having the best bookings) in a complex, and lowering their standards than it is to people being fans of Imax. If all Imax theaters were the quality they used to be, they'd be growing but not as fast as they can by whoring out the brand to "multiplex" theaters that are willing to cooperate in cheapening the Imax brand.
IMAX' executives clearly know they're cheapening their brand by doing what they're doing. They're trying as hard as they can to transition away from large format film to much cheaper digital and hope as few people as possible notice any difference.

IMAX wants customers going off the memory of seeing a real IMAX movie in a real IMAX theater and thinking they're getting the same experience when they walk into an ordinary theater where the largest auditorium has been slightly modified and outfitted with an IMAX logo.

I wouldn't have a problem with IMAX' approach if they were more clear about it. If they used another brand name or called it IMAX Digital I wouldn't mind. Instead, they're using the IMAX brand as a one size fits all, non-specific thing.

Dolby tried a similar advertising ploy back in the early 1990s with its triple format logo (Spectral Recording, Dolby Stereo & Digital in one word mark, complete with a "verify theatre format" tagline underneath). They rolled out a new logo in 1995 and went back to being specific with all its processes since then. What if Dolby only used the "Dolby" term for all of its different audio processes, from A-type analog noise reduction to Dolby TrueHD on Blu-ray to Dolby Atmos in certain movie theaters? It would be confusing as hell and not do anybody any good, including Dolby itself.
 
Posted by Terry Lynn-Stevens (Member # 7349) on 12-05-2013, 01:34 PM:
 
quote: Mike Blakesley
That's due more to an increase in locations, diluting their "brand," taking over the biggest screen (and therefore having the best bookings) in a complex, and lowering their standards than it is to people being fans of Imax.
Mike, I get what you are saying, I am not a big fan of the converted auditoriums, the IMAX venues that I will only attend are the ones that are the purpose built ones that are located in a multiplex near me. For what its worth, the IMAX theatre that I saw Gravity and Catching Fire in has only 262 seats, there are six other auditoriums at this venue that are 400 seats or more and two of the auditoriums have screens that are wider than the IMAX one. The theatre that I am talking about was once a Famous Players flagship THX location. Luckily I do not have to pay for the $19 tickets.

quote: Mike Blakesley
There are other factors involved.
I agree with you. I would add that it was inevitable that IMAX would go digital and eventually they will become all digital. If they were going to grow and stay relevant, digital presentation was a must. I know it sucks as I couldn't help wonder what it would of been like to see the Catching Fire scenes in IMAX 15/70, after all they were filmed in that format. The 2K images just don't compare.

An IMAX DMR 2D print is around $20k while a 3D DMR print is $45k. The cost is paid for by the studio or distributor company and Kodak has always been their supplier of 15/70 release prints. With short release periods and upfront first weekend business as well as the prevalence of all digital releases of IMAX Hollywood titles, it would tougher than ever to get more releases of 15/70 in the theatre and still be as profitable. IMAX attendance lives or dies by what is released by the studios, there are no guarantees that the studios will continue releasing product and digital distribution is the only way going forward.

It sucks that there is no more 15/70 in my area, I really do regret not making the trip to the Niagara IMAX 15/70 stand alone location to see Elysium in October.
 
Posted by William Kucharski (Member # 7246) on 10-02-2014, 03:47 AM:
 
To resurrect this thread, I thought they were pulling the film projectors after The Dark Knight Rises; to my amazement, I guess not, at least according to the Interstellar in 70MM IMAX list:

Interstellar 70MM IMAX Film Theatres
 
Posted by Ivan Plamondon (Member # 7637) on 10-14-2014, 10:40 AM:
 
Terry, you didn't miss much in regards to Elysium. It was a DMR release after all and quite blah in terms of acting and story line!
 




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