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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 10-05-2005, 02:40 AM:
 
So how many of you work at a theatre that has recently installed or is scheduled to install a DLP Digital Projection system for your engagement of "Chicken Little"?
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-05-2005, 10:25 AM:
 
FROM THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER 10/6/05:

TOP 3 EXHIBS ROLL WITH REAL D

By Nicole Sperling

After months of haggling and deal brokering, the country's top three theater chains have either signed or are about to sign five-year contracts with digital 3-D provider Real D for 3-D exhibition. Its system will be in place in time for next month's release of Walt Disney Pictures' "Chicken Little," which proved to be a tipping point for the agreements.

Real D has completed deals with AMC Entertainment and Loews Cineplex and is in final negotiations with Regal Entertainment Group.

By adopting Real D's technology in advance of the release of Disney's first homegrown CGI-animated film, which bows Nov. 4, the exhibition community is making one of the first tentative steps in the rollout of digital cinema.

Real D said the participation of the top three exhibitors, in addition to several smaller chains, will result in 85 locations where "Little" can be screened in 3-D. Excluding Regal, 20 chains have signed on.

The list of exhibitors now on board also includes the Boston-based National Amusements theater chain, which intends to install 10 systems in its circuit, as well as Century Theatres, headquartered in San Rafael, Calif. Century declined comment on the number of systems it will employ.

Absent from the list are such top 10 exhibitors as Cinemark USA and Carmike Cinemas.

The 85 systems matches the number announced by Disney Studios chairman Richard Cook when he discussed plans for "Little's" rollout at a demonstration of its 3-D footage Sept. 22.

Neither Disney nor technology partner Dolby Labs, which is responsible for the digital cinema servers and the system integration, would confirm the exhibitor list provided by Real D.

Regal is in negotiations to install 15 projectors across its circuit, according to sources involved in the deal. AMC has confirmed that it will install two systems, one in its Willowbrook 24 theater in Houston and the other in the Town Center 20 location in Kansas City, Mo. Loews is expected to install eight systems.

The smaller circuits, which have long been looking for a way to distinguish themselves from their competitors, appear even more eager to adopt the new technology.

Dallas-based Rave Motion Pictures has signed an agreement to install the systems in nine of its theaters. The 5-year-old theater circuit has been trying to differentiate itself from such larger competitors as Cinemark and AMC by offering consumers a unique moviegoing experience.

"Real D is the first truly transforming technology to meaningfully enhance the moviegoing experience," Rave president and CEO Tom Stephenson said. "Digital cinema is nothing without 3-D -- 3-D is the killer app for digital cinema."

Said Real D chairman Michael Lewis: "Real D is the next step in the evolution of cinema. It provides our exhibition partners with premium entertainment experiences that can't be duplicated at home."

The 3-D implementation was first announced by Disney, Dolby and Real D in advance of the CinemaExpo convention in Amsterdam (HR 6/27). At the time, the companies said they would install 100 systems in the top 100 markets, even though they had no advance commitment from the exhibition community. Since then, reps from the three companies have haggled long and hard with exhibitors, who have been reluctant to commit to extra expenditures for new technology when the prospective financial returns are unknown.

Dolby and Real D negotiated separate contracts for the systems. Sources said Real D's contract requires a $50,000 upfront payment, primarily for the installation of its silver screen, and $25,000 a year for five years. However, if the flow of 3-D product -- at this point confined to "Little" and Sony Pictures' release of "Monster House" in summer 2006 -- does not remain constant, then deal points with Real D will be renegotiated, sources said. The industry projection is for three to four 3-D films a year.

In contrast, Dolby has required exhibitors to sign 10-year contracts with the San Francisco-based tech company. Dolby is fronting most of the costs of installing its digital system, which costs about $85,000 per screen. Distributors will pay Dolby a virtual print fee of $1,200 per screen per movie. The exhibitors remain in negotiations with Dolby over maintenance contracts and warranty issues for the equipment, sources said.

Another challenge holding up the 3-D installation is the number of digital 2K projectors ready for deployment. Dolby already has announced that it purchased all 50 of Christie's available digital projectors.

Sources said the breakdown for deployment is 51 Christie projectors and 34 Barco systems -- all the stock available in North America.

Real D hopes to announce additional exhibition partners in the coming months as it works toward its goal of equipping more than 1,000 screens globally with Real D systems over the next two years.
 

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Posted by Amanda Jones (Member # 3326) on 10-05-2005, 11:22 AM:
 
Our theater is. Yesterday the new porthole was installed and they almost have the projector done. Don't know when the new screen is being installed.
 

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Posted by Bruce Hansen (Member # 281) on 10-05-2005, 05:06 PM:
 
Looking back, 3D comes around every so often. At first, people think it's something special, then get tired of it, and it goes away. I wonder how long it will be around this time, and what will happen to these "deals" when 3D fades, as it has in the past.
 

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 10-05-2005, 06:22 PM:
 
I'm sure Hollywood is very excited about the prospects for releasing new 3D versions of their best catalog films like "Schindler's List", "Platoon", "The Godfather", and many many more. Those old boring dramas will really come to life in 3D!
 

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Posted by Frank Dubrois (Member # 3042) on 10-05-2005, 08:11 PM:
 
Well, I heard George Lucas is going to redo the original Star Wars Trilogy in digital 3D. If he's excited about it, should we all be?
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-05-2005, 09:40 PM:
 
Once those 2K systems (effectively similar to 1080 HDTV) are installed, I doubt if they'll be running much, if any, 3D content.

I think 3D movies are cool. But they only seem to work for things like IMAX-3D shows. The 30 to 50 minute run time for those kinds of large format movies tend to work better in 3D.

Why? Not many audiences can stand to watch a movie in 3D for up to 2 hours or more. When you watch a movie in 3D you're doing something phyiscally unnatural to your eyes. Normally your focal plane and convergence point in eyesight are tied together. They're separated when you watch a 3D movie. You focus on the screen. The point of convergence jumps in front of or behind the screen. Many people will get eye strain or even a full blown headache after watching an hour of that.

3D has also taken a step backward since most movie theaters don't have the right kind of screens to do the right kind of 3D.

It's not difficult for a 100% CGI-based cartoon to be produced in 3D. Very few, if any, live action movies will be made that way. I know George Lucas is working on a 3D version of "Star Wars," but I'm not convinced at this point it will look convincing. Without two discrete camera views of the original action the artificially produced 3D will have subjects looking like flat cut outs floating above a background. That won't be very good.

Without the 3D angle, I'm sure the movie companies and theaters that ponied up the cash for the projection systems will shout "DIGITAL!!!!" Yeah, digital, sure. A 1080p native rez HDTV monitor does an audience just as good.

Show me 4K. Some me something I can't get at home. Then that will at least be something.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-05-2005, 10:41 PM:
 
I dunno Bobby. I've heard from a couple of people whom opinions I trust that this 3D is unlike traditional 3D and that it doesn't have the normal eye strain.

I guess we'll see, eh?
 

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Posted by Darryl Spicer (Member # 711) on 10-05-2005, 10:51 PM:
 
ok can we step back for a few minutes and look at something interesting here. Why in the hell do you want to make a what is essentially a kids movie 3D...I mean come on all the fighting over the glasses...making them stay on the kids head....keeping them off the floor....getting the sticky goo off of them. I see one huge headache without even watching the movie.

I wish Lucas would stop milking a dry cow. It is obvious he can't move on to different things. He is stuck in a permanent cycle of dulness.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-05-2005, 11:41 PM:
 
I saw the 3-D preview of Star Wars IV at Great States. I thought of all the 3-D stuff they showed, it was the least impressive. But Mr. Lucas knows, as we all do, that the Star Wars fans will pony up.

Also: The glasses were uncomfortable. But supposedly this Disney thing uses a different kind of glasses (the ones we got at the demo were battery operated.)
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-05-2005, 11:56 PM:
 
Oh, wooo. Battery operated...

...kinda like a dildo.


I'm sorry. I couldn't resist making the joke.

Weren't the original IMAX-3D laser controlled goggles battery powered? They were laser synched by lasers installed in the auditorium. The Sony Lincoln Square IMAX-3D theater had such a setup. But I haven't seen it repeated in most other IMAX-3D locations -even ones in Las Vegas where you have to pay $184,858,838,269.95 for a 25 second ride. You just get plastic plain non-powered glasses. They're polarized and work really well though. But they don't need any batteries....

...just a dose of dish washing detergent after all the mullet wearing throngs have tried them out! Hey, don't anyone be offended. A theater must eradicate head lice where ever the risk might be present!
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 10-06-2005, 12:05 AM:
 

quote: Brad Miller

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this 3D is unlike traditional 3D and that it doesn't have the normal eye strain.

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quote: Bobby Henderson

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Weren't the original IMAX-3D laser controlled goggles battery powered?

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quote: Brad Miller

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Care to elaborate on your lengthy post?

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quote: Bobby Henderson

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even ones in Las Vegas where you have to pay $184,858,838,269.95 for a 25 second ride.

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quote: Brian Michael Weidemann

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They were, indeed, battery powered, but they were infrared, not laser. The glass in them was polarized, so they would work without a battery (should it die in the middle of a show, and if the projector ran with polarizers, too). The batteries powered the liquid crystal flicker, that was timed to the projector shutter system. It did a fantastic job eliminating ghosting, but I guess it wasn't worth the $600 or so per headset. Simply polarized disposable paper pieces of junk, handed out at box office, are a much better financial decision, it appears, to those in control.

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quote: Brad Miller

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Anaglyphic is just crap and shouldn't even be called 3D.

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I've actually seen some anaglyph 3-D that worked very well indeed, though it wasn't used for moving images, and wasn't projected. What I saw were some sample prints, about postcard size, from a company who produce these images for various scientific, technical and medical applications. There was perfect separation of the two images, with no ghosting, and no eye strain, at least in the fairly short time for which you would be likely to view such an image. The glasses were made from Wratten filters mounted between optical glass, rather than bits of stage lighting gel, and the printing inks used were obviously chosen with care, for the correct spectural absorbtion. Of course, this sort of thing doesn't come cheap; I agree that most anaglyph 3-D on films, comic books etc. is pretty poor, at best.
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 10-06-2005, 10:38 PM:
 
You shoulda went to Jeff's 3D Fest, Brad. You might have a different outlook on polarized 3D.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-06-2005, 10:48 PM:
 
I saw some 3D material in Jeff's screening room earlier this year. Doesn't that count?
 

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Posted by Alex Grueneberg (Member # 2652) on 10-07-2005, 02:19 AM:
 
I wonder if it will last, or if people will notice.
 

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Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 10-07-2005, 02:22 AM:
 
Edit:
Sorry, I missed the 'Brad' in the first line of your post, so the first line of my one doesn't now apply. I think the rest of my post is still relevent, so I'll leave it here.

quote: Mark J. Marshall

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You shoulda went to Jeff's 3D Fest, Brad. You might have a different outlook on polarized 3D.

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Alex, it is unclear who you were replying to; if to my previous post then I think you have misunderstood what I was saying. I found the polarised IMAX system *more* satisfactory than the LCD shutter one. Problems with dirty or scratched glasses are not inherent in the system, but are problems with the venues concerned. Polarised 3-D does have inherent problems, ghosting if the head is tilted, need for a silver screen, restricting the viewing angle etc., but I think it is the best system currently available for projected moving images.

Some of the best, from a technical viewpoint, 3-D that I've seen is on the short films from the 1951 Festival of Britain. Unfortunately, the films are not very interesting; they were intended mainly as a novelty and demonstration of the process. The original prints still exist, and are shown from time to time, but sadly the original stereo tracks are now 'lost', so they are now run with the mono optical track only.

Unfortunately, many (most?) 3-D films are either badly made, or badly projected or shown in unsuitable venues; or, sometimes, all three.

The Lafayette, Suffern, NY is running 'House of Wax' in two strip 3-D this month.

http://www.bigscreenclassics.com/indexlafayette.htm

I would like to have gone, but I just can't find the money this month . I've never seen 3-D at the Lafayette, but I have been there for several conventional shows, andthe design of the theatre should make it a very suitable venue for 3-D. Maybe I can get there next time.
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 10-07-2005, 08:52 AM:
 

quote: Brad Miller

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I saw some 3D material in Jeff's screening room earlier this year.

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quote: Stephen Furley

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I've never seen 3-D at the Lafayette, but I have been there for several conventional shows, andthe design of the theatre should make it a very suitable venue for 3-D.

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quote: Joseph L. Kleiman

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The Castro is in the middle of its dual system 3D series. I'm looking forward to seeing Andy Warhol's Frankenstein tomorrow at midnight.

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quote: Brad Miller

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The best 3D I have ever seen was IMAX Nascar

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Then, Grand-Poo-BAH, you had better go see "T2-3D" at Universal when you're out here at the end of this month. It IS by far THEEEE best 3D ever. Oh AND NO crappy POS heavy/awkward LCD headgear...it's a linear polarized system.

Having worked on many 3D films including Jaws 3, Friday 13th, etc as well as well as a ton of Special Venue shows...AND having installed over 150 3D 35mm, 570, 870, and 1570 film and DLP theatres with dual projectors and over-under and side-by-side systems, I can honestly say that the majority of the posts here are hearsay and most of the posters have NO clue as to what they are spouting.

About the only one that is accurate is Brain. With some parts of others true as well.

No matter the media, IF the 3D images are correctly recorded as to the inter-ocular and focal/focus point, and correctly projected, it will not result in eye-strain and headaches...NO matter how long the film.

The ONLY system that requires a "silver screen" rather than a matt screen is a polarized system. Those crappy LCD systems DO NOT require a silver screen.

Circular polarization is NOT preferable to linear polarization since the image separation is not a great. Studies, including my own, have show that even with motion rides, one's head tends to remain vertical due to the body's normal reflexes and thus doesn't affect the 3D effect.

It's a shame (and sham) using a LCD system most especially with a rolling loop projector. In order for the LCD 3D system to work, each "eye" can only be allowed to see 50% of the time. So an additional shutter must be installed to limit that GREAT normal 67% shutter efficiency to 50% thus wasting a lot of light (i.e. image brightness). This is true even for allowing for the extra time required for the LCD panels to change from dark to "almost clear".

The best 3D system for the most light to the viewer's eye is a Linear Polarized system which is about 32% efficient overall. The worst is LCD with about 25%.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 10-07-2005, 08:50 PM:
 
OK Phil, I will be the brave one to step out of the bunch and say you are right: I know absolutely nothing about 3-D, except this: Any time I have to wear some glasses that aren't fitted to my head by an eye doctor, said glasses are uncomfortable and a pain in the neck, and that is probably the biggest reason why 3D never has and never will be a long term huge deal in the movie business. Wearing uncomfortable glasses for a 3-minute theme park ride is one thing....a two hour movie is something else.

Personally the best 3-D thing I've ever seen is the Spider-Man ride at Universal Islands of Adventure in Orlando, with Disney World's "Mickey's Philharmagic" a close second or maybe even a tie.
 

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Posted by Phil Hill (Member # 371) on 10-07-2005, 09:06 PM:
 
I agree, Mike. Wearing bad-fitting glasses are a pain in the butt...so to speak. No matter if for vision correction or for 3D. The thing I hate is: Since I wear corrective glasses, trying to wear 3D Polaroid glasses, or those POS LCD goggles, on top of/over my regular glasses just doesn't cut it. It was OK when I wore contacts...

I also agree that the "Spider-Man" ride (I'd hate to say how much time I spent on that show) and "Magic Journey" are both great as well...although they are "shorts".

As sick as I am, I also really liked a lot of the Three Stooges 3D stuff...
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 10-07-2005, 09:42 PM:
 
Captain style and clip on glasses are what I suggest. The cheap-o card board glasses suck major ass.

Watching hours and hours and hours and hours of 3D didn't cause me any eye strain at all, nor the other three people that were with me for the entire festival. There were a few prints that had some problems (most likely due to their age) where the image on one side (or the other - or BOTH) would move up and down slightly during the course of the show. I can see that causing some discomfort if left unattended. Thankfully, the projectionists at the show were pretty quick on the frame knobs. Cat Women Of The Moon comes to mind. The other potential problem was Gog, which had one full color print and one pink print. So depending on what you saw, Brad, some discomfort may have been expected I guess.

For what it's worth, I do think that eyes need to "train" themselves to look at 3D, but they can learn. And I agree about Terminator 3D, Phil.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 10-08-2005, 04:44 AM:
 

quote: Phil Hill

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About the only one that is accurate is Brain.

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Assuming you meant me? Thanks.

But to get back on topic ... we currently have a slew of cardboard boxes stacked all around by #15. The install of the new 2K digital projector is so close we can taste it! When it's all done, the whole projection staff is going to have a midnight meeting/training-session on the thing. I'm not enough "in the know" to elaborate on the specs, but it's going to be running from a much better server than our #17 DLP. I think we're all excited about it.
 

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Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 10-08-2005, 06:03 AM:
 

quote: Phil Hill

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The ONLY system that requires a "silver screen" rather than a matt screen is a polarized system. Those crappy LCD systems DO NOT require a silver screen.

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quote: Brian Michael Weidemann

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They were, indeed, battery powered, but they were infrared, not laser. The glass in them was polarized, so they would work without a battery (should it die in the middle of a show, and if the projector ran with polarizers, too).

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quote: Phil Hill

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As sick as I am, I also really liked a lot of the Three Stooges 3D stuff...

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quote: Phil Hill

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No matter the media, IF the 3D images are correctly recorded as to the inter-ocular and focal/focus point, and correctly projected, it will not result in eye-strain and headaches...NO matter how long the film.

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I'm sure you're correct about this, but that's a very big 'if'. In by experience, most 3-D shows in ordinary cinemas were bad; some very bad.

Phil, I've just noticed the hair-do in your new picture; do you use the same hairdresser as my 'neice' from a couple of years ago?



Thankfully, I am no longer Tiny Tears' uncle; her 'mummy' has now grown up somewhat, no longer plays with dolls, and no longer insists that I have to play with her. Tiny now has a new mummy and daddy, the younger sister and brother of the original one, who don't seem to think that she needs a middle-aged uncle!

Strange things, children; I never could understand them!
 

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Posted by Jeffry L. Johnson (Member # 453) on 10-08-2005, 11:33 AM:
 
I have (or had, not sure if I tossed them) StereoVision clip-ons. They were great in the early 1980's but they've faded to worthless.
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-09-2005, 02:18 AM:
 
I just saw the best 3D presentation I've ever seen at the Castro - the original House of Wax shown in polarized Natural Vision. Remarkable. The convergence had to be the best I've ever seen and I noticed ghosting only in one small part. I'm heading back tomorrow to photograph the duel strip projectors and I'll try to post the photos on here in the next couple of weeks. Other than emulsion and a few artifacts from it being an older print, this gives anything I've seen in digital 3D a run for the money, including REAL D.
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 10-10-2005, 01:09 AM:
 
No kidding.



Not bad for a movie directed by a guy with only one eye, huh?
 

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Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 10-10-2005, 08:33 AM:
 
Some of the people involved in the 3D films at Disney theme parks included Dr. John Simonds of the Kodak Research Labs, Murray Lerner, and Steve Hines:

http://www.hineslab.com/Disney3dCameraRig.html

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The Disney dual-camera 3-D Rig developed by Steve Hines in 1980-81, for shooting stereo motion pictures, is owned by Walt Disney Pictures and is shown here as an example of engineering now available from HinesLab. The Disney rig is the original dual-camera 3-D rig to use cameras in the compact forward-and-down arrangement. No modification of the cameras' shutters is required...

Disney 3-D Rig films:

"Magic Journeys" for EPCOT Center, Orlando, Florida
"Captain Eo" for Disneyland, Anaheim, California
"Muppetvision 3D" for Disney/MGM Studio Tour, Florida.
"Honey, I Shrunk the Audience" for Disney/MGM Studio Tour in Florida, & Disneyland in Calif.

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Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 10-10-2005, 10:47 AM:
 
Stephen,
I ran the two Three Stooges shorts in their original dual 35mm print with polarizers in the late 1970's...much better than the 8mm copy you have. The corny effects are great including the string wire holding up a special effect in one shot
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-11-2005, 10:09 AM:
 
John, you forgot Peter Anderson, without whom every Disney and Universal 3D theme park production would look like crap.
 

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Posted by Stephen LaPadula (Member # 3050) on 10-13-2005, 04:07 PM:
 
Here is an 'unofficial' list of the 15 Regal theatres (and markets) that will be equipted:

Lincolnshire Stadium 20 + IMAX Chicago
Colonnade Stadium 14 Las Vegas
New Roc City Stadium 18 + IMAX New York
Union Square Stadium 14 New York
King Of Prussia Stadium 15 + IMAX Philadelphia
Irvine Spectrum 21 LA
Countryside Stadium 20 DC
Mall Of Georgia Stadium 20 + IMAX Atlanta
Pinnacle Stadium 18 Knoxville
Sawgrass Stadium 23 Miami/S Fla
Waterford Lakes Stadium 20 Orlando
Hacienda Stadium 20 + IMAX Sacramento
Colorado Mills Stadium 16 Denver
Gateway Stadium 16 Austin
St. Louis Mills Stadium 18 St. Louis
 

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Posted by Stewart Anderson (Member # 1809) on 10-13-2005, 04:56 PM:
 
Megaplex 17 @ Jordan Commons + IMAX (Sandy, Utah) is also part of the program (but we are not a Regal theatre). I believe we are actually the first to have running Barco DLP install instead of the Christie DLP.
 

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Posted by Jack Ondracek (Member # 1466) on 10-13-2005, 06:32 PM:
 
With 3 weeks to go before this picture releases, are there any more theatres that can confirm they're installing DLP for "Chicken Little"?

So far, I count 3 on this thread, with a list of "gonna haves".

Was it something like 85 projectors that were available for purchase on this project? Where have they gone?
 

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Posted by Mike Babb (Member # 1379) on 10-13-2005, 07:49 PM:
 
4 so far here in Michigan with one more for sure coming, maybe another too. Waiting on silver screens so I can't comment on the 3D yet but the rest of the setup (Dolby server and Christie DLP) is great, but honestly I am waiting to see feature film run for a couple weeks before I form opinions...
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 10-13-2005, 08:02 PM:
 

quote: Stephen LaPadula

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Irvine Spectrum 21 LA

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First of all, I must say that, yes, that list is unofficial ... since we're 50 miles from LA (but that's forgivable, since it looks like only key cities were used as locations), and (now this is not so forgivable!) there's a mysteriously missing "+IMAX" from that entry!!! I'm insulted!

The port glass was installed and the silver screen was erected two nights ago. This morning the sound rack was assembled, the projector itself was constructed and moved into place. We've tested on-screen stuff and that thing is BRIGHT and colorful and even and pretty. As a fellow projectionist put it, it makes our other DLP look like Pole Position.

Not sure how much more wiring and automation stuff is involved, but we're days away from being operational, it seems. Woo hoo!

I'll try to sneak a quick snapshot of the setup tomorrow night, just for something to flavor this thread up.
 

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Posted by Wolff King Morrow (Member # 2226) on 10-14-2005, 02:01 AM:
 
I've been watching over the installation of ours where I work. We got the port glass, rack server, and the projector installed. The only thing left is the getting the silver screen up.

We also just got some fantastic new digital pre-show projectors that look very nice on screen.
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 10-14-2005, 03:41 AM:
 

quote: Brian Michael Weidemann

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But to get back on topic ...

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Thank you! I was on the verge of revising the title of this thread.

Here's what I have as of Oct. 13 for the "Chicken Little" Digital Projection locations. NOTE: some presentations are scheduled to be 2-D DLP, and the engagements should be considered tentative until all of the requisite equipment has been installed, tested, the bookings have been finalized, and the actual "film" has arrived.

ADM
New York, NY: Pavilion

AMC
Houston, TX: Willowbrook 24
Leawood, KS: Town Center 20

CENTURY
Albuquerque, NM: Century Rio 24
Daly City, CA: Century 20
Huntington Beach, CA: Century Stadium 20
Las Vegas, NV: Century South Coast Stadium 16
Orange, CA: Century Stadium 25
Redwood City, CA: Century Stadium 20
San Jose, CA: Century 22
Sandy, UT: Century Union Heights Stadium 16

CINEMAWORLD
Lincoln, RI: CinemaWorld
West Melbourne, FL: CinemaWorld 16

CLASSIC
Elk Grove Village, IL: Elk Grove
Oak Park, IL: Lake

CROWN
Annapolis, MD: Annapolis Mall 11
Skokie, IL: Village Crossing 18

DICKINSON
Lee's Summit, MO: Eastglen 16

EMAGINE
Novi, MI: Novi 18

GALAXY
Austin, TX: Highland 10
Monroe, WA: Monroe 12
Riverbank, CA: Riverbank 12

GREENVILLE
Greenville, SC: Camelot

HALLETT
Bellevue, WA: Galleria 11
Meridian, ID: Majestic
Sunnyside, WA: Grand Cinemas Yakima Valley

HARKINS
Peoria, AZ: Arrowhead Fountains 18

KERASOTES
Coon Rapids, MN: ShowPlace 16
Evansville, IN: Stadium 16
Indianapolis, IN: ShowPlace 16
Schererville, IN: ShowPlace 12

LOEKS
Gaines Township, MI: Celebration! Cinema South

LOEWS CINEPLEX
Boston, MA: Boston Common
Elizabeth, NJ: Jersey Gardens 20
Gaithersburg, MD: Rio 14
Los Angeles, CA: Universal Studios CityWalk
New York, NY: Kips Bay
New York, NY: Lincoln Square
Port Chester, NY: The Waterfront at Port Chester
San Francisco, CA: Metreon
Schaumburg, IL: Streets of Woodfield

MAIN ST.
Yuma, AZ: Main St.

MALCO
Memphis, TN: Paradiso

MANN
Glendale, CA: Glendale Marketplace 4

MEGAPLEX
Sandy, UT: Megaplex 17 at Jordan Commons

MJR
Brighton, MI: Brighton Towne Square Cinema 20
Chesterfield, MI: Chesterfield Crossing Cinema 16
Southgate, MI: Southgate Cinema 20
Sterling Heights, MI: Marketplace Cinema 20
Waterford Township, MI: Waterford Cinema 16

NATIONAL AMUSEMENTS
Edgewater, NJ: Edgewater Multiplex
Merrifield, VA: Lee Highway Multiplex
Randolph, MA: Showcase Cinemas Randolph
Springdale, OH: Springdale 18: Cinema de Lux

PACIFIC/DISNEY
Los Angeles, CA: El Capitan

PACIFIC
Los Angeles, CA: Galleria Stadium 16
Los Angeles, CA: The Grove Stadium 14

R/C
Daytona Beach, FL: Ocean Walk Movies
Hanover, PA: Hanover Movies 16

RAVE
Chattanooga, TN: East Ridge 18
Columbus, OH: Polaris 18
Fort Wayne, IN: Jefferson Pointe 18
Hickory Creek, TX: Hickory Creek 16
Hoover, AL: Patton Creek 15
Hurst, TX: North East Mall 18
Melbourne, FL: Avenue 16
Plainfield, IN: Metropolis 18
West Chester, OH: West Chester 18

REGAL
Austin, TX: Gateway Stadium 16
Buford, GA: Mall of Georgia Stadium 20
Coeur D'alene, ID: Riverstone Stadium 14
Dublin, CA: Hacienda Crossings Stadium 20
Hazelwood, MO: St. Louis Mills Stadium 18
Irvine, CA: Irvine Spectrum 21
King of Prussia, PA: King of Prussia Stadium 16
Knoxville, TN: Pinnacle Stadium 18
Lakewood, CO: Colorado Mills Stadium 16
Las Vegas, NV: Colonnade Stadium 14
Lincolnshire, IL: Lincolnshire Stadium 20
Long Beach, CA: Long Beach Stadium 26
New Rochelle, NY: New Roc City
New York, NY: Union Square Stadium 14
Orlando, FL: Waterford Stadium 20
Pinellas Park, FL: Park Place Stadium 16
San Diego, CA: Mira Mesa Stadium 18
Sterling, VA: Countryside Stadium 20
Sunrise, FL: Sawgrass Stadium 23

>>>List edited 10/14, 10/16 & 10/17 to post additional information<<<

[ 10-17-2005, 03:29 AM: Message edited by: Michael Coate ]
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-14-2005, 10:51 AM:
 
Add:

PACIFIC THEATERS
Disney's El Capitan, Hollywood
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 10-14-2005, 12:58 PM:
 
List updated.
 

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Posted by Amanda Jones (Member # 3326) on 10-14-2005, 01:03 PM:
 
Add these under the Kerasotes list

Scherville, IN- Showplace 12
Evansville, IN- Stadium 16
Coon Rapids, MN- Showplace 16
 

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Posted by Jack Ondracek (Member # 1466) on 10-14-2005, 04:53 PM:
 
I was kind of hoping we could come up with just the theatres that are installing new systems in time for Chicken Little. Some of the above listings have been around for awhile.
 

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Posted by Jeff Joseph (Member # 511) on 10-14-2005, 05:16 PM:
 
Am I to understand that the only theatre in Los Angeles running this in 3-D is the El Capitan?

Jeff
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 10-14-2005, 05:30 PM:
 
Jack,
Most of the theatres listed are new installs.

Jeff,
Not necessarily; the list is a work-in-progress. I'll keep the list updated as I receive more information.
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-14-2005, 05:47 PM:
 
Mike,

Just got word from Disney that the official list should be out by next week.

Joe
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 10-14-2005, 11:08 PM:
 

quote: Joseph L. Kleiman

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Just got word from Disney that the official list should be out by next week.

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That's great, but...as I wrote in a previous post: "the engagements should be considered tentative until all of the requisite equipment has been installed, tested, and the actual 'film' has arrived."

I'll be surprised if all of the systems are installed by Nov. 4th.
 

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Posted by Wolff King Morrow (Member # 2226) on 10-15-2005, 01:59 AM:
 
Word is they were shooting for 100, but will come up short at around 88 or so.
 

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Posted by Olivia Coleman (Member # 3193) on 10-16-2005, 01:06 AM:
 
My tech mentioned that the new Bridgeport 18 in Portland, OR. had one that he was suppose to help install... Don't know any more info, other than that. (That's a Regal, BTW.)
 

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Posted by Bobby Henderson (Member # 840) on 10-16-2005, 11:05 AM:
 
Nothing in OK. But it's not like I'm just aching to see "Chicken Little" in 3D HDTV.
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 10-17-2005, 01:19 AM:
 
"Chicken Little" theater list updated.

Do you guys want me to (a) leave the list where it is (on page 4) and edit whenever new info comes along, or (b) would you prefer I create a new post each time new info is added, or (c) we can drop the discussion of the theaters, wait for an official list to be issued, and the 3-D enthusiasts can resume arguing the pros and cons of 3-D?
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-17-2005, 03:04 AM:
 
B please. It makes things easier to keep up with by simply looking for the most recent posts.
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 10-17-2005, 12:49 PM:
 
"B" it is.

Here's what I have as of Oct. 17 for the "Chicken Little" Digital Projection locations. NOTE: some presentations are scheduled to be 2-D DLP, and the engagements should be considered tentative until all of the requisite equipment has been installed, tested, the bookings have been finalized, and the actual "film" has arrived.

ADM
New York, NY: Pavilion

AMC
Houston, TX: Willowbrook 24
Leawood, KS: Town Center 20

CENTURY
Albuquerque, NM: Century Rio 24
Daly City, CA: Century 20
Huntington Beach, CA: Century Stadium 20
Las Vegas, NV: Century South Coast Stadium 16
Orange, CA: Century Stadium 25
Redwood City, CA: Century Stadium 20
San Jose, CA: Century 22
Sandy, UT: Century Union Heights Stadium 16

CINEMAWORLD
Lincoln, RI: CinemaWorld
West Melbourne, FL: CinemaWorld 16

CLASSIC
Elk Grove Village, IL: Elk Grove
Oak Park, IL: Lake

CROWN
Annapolis, MD: Annapolis Mall 11
Skokie, IL: Village Crossing 18

DICKINSON
Lee's Summit, MO: Eastglen 16

EMAGINE
Novi, MI: Novi 18

GALAXY
Austin, TX: Highland 10
Monroe, WA: Monroe 12
Riverbank, CA: Riverbank 12

GREENVILLE
Greenville, SC: Camelot

HALLETT
Bellevue, WA: Galleria 11
Meridian, ID: Majestic
Sunnyside, WA: Grand Cinemas Yakima Valley

HARKINS
Peoria, AZ: Arrowhead Fountains 18

KERASOTES
Coon Rapids, MN: ShowPlace 16
Evansville, IN: Stadium 16
Indianapolis, IN: ShowPlace 16
Schererville, IN: ShowPlace 12

LOEKS
Gaines Township, MI: Celebration! Cinema South

LOEWS CINEPLEX
Boston, MA: Boston Common
Elizabeth, NJ: Jersey Gardens 20
Gaithersburg, MD: Rio 14
Los Angeles, CA: Universal Studios CityWalk
New York, NY: Kips Bay
New York, NY: Lincoln Square
Port Chester, NY: The Waterfront at Port Chester
San Francisco, CA: Metreon
Schaumburg, IL: Streets of Woodfield

MAIN ST.
Yuma, AZ: Main St.

MALCO
Memphis, TN: Paradiso

MANN
Glendale, CA: Glendale Marketplace 4

MEGAPLEX
Sandy, UT: Megaplex 17 at Jordan Commons

MJR
Brighton, MI: Brighton Towne Square Cinema 20
Chesterfield, MI: Chesterfield Crossing Cinema 16
Southgate, MI: Southgate Cinema 20
Sterling Heights, MI: Marketplace Cinema 20
Waterford Township, MI: Waterford Cinema 16

NATIONAL AMUSEMENTS
Edgewater, NJ: Edgewater Multiplex
Merrifield, VA: Lee Highway Multiplex
Randolph, MA: Showcase Cinemas Randolph
Springdale, OH: Springdale 18: Cinema de Lux

PACIFIC/DISNEY
Los Angeles, CA: El Capitan

PACIFIC
Los Angeles, CA: Galleria Stadium 16
Los Angeles, CA: The Grove Stadium 14

R/C
Daytona Beach, FL: Ocean Walk Movies
Hanover, PA: Hanover Movies 16

RAVE
Chattanooga, TN: East Ridge 18
Columbus, OH: Polaris 18
Fort Wayne, IN: Jefferson Pointe 18
Hickory Creek, TX: Hickory Creek 16
Hoover, AL: Patton Creek 15
Hurst, TX: North East Mall 18
Melbourne, FL: Avenue 16
Plainfield, IN: Metropolis 18
West Chester, OH: West Chester 18

REGAL
Austin, TX: Gateway Stadium 16
Buford, GA: Mall of Georgia Stadium 20
Coeur D'alene, ID: Riverstone Stadium 14
Dublin, CA: Hacienda Crossings Stadium 20
Hazelwood, MO: St. Louis Mills Stadium 18
Irvine, CA: Irvine Spectrum 21
King of Prussia, PA: King of Prussia Stadium 16
Knoxville, TN: Pinnacle Stadium 18
Lakewood, CO: Colorado Mills Stadium 16
Las Vegas, NV: Colonnade Stadium 14
Lincolnshire, IL: Lincolnshire Stadium 20
Long Beach, CA: Long Beach Stadium 26
New Rochelle, NY: New Roc City
New York, NY: Union Square Stadium 14
Orlando, FL: Waterford Stadium 20
Pinellas Park, FL: Park Place Stadium 16
San Diego, CA: Mira Mesa Stadium 18
Sterling, VA: Countryside Stadium 20
Sunrise, FL: Sawgrass Stadium 23

Chains that will not be showing "Chicken Little" in Digital Projection
Marcus
UltraStar
Wehrenberg

>>>List edited 10/14, 10/16 & 10/17 to post additional information<<<
 

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Posted by Wolff King Morrow (Member # 2226) on 10-17-2005, 03:19 PM:
 
As far as the 3D presentation goes for Rave in Texas, only Hickory Creek 16 in TX, and North East Mall in Hurst TX are setting up for it.

[ 10-24-2005, 03:13 AM: Message edited by: Wolff King Morrow ]
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-17-2005, 03:22 PM:
 
Re. Drive-in's: REAL D tells me that their system is currently designed for interior use only. However, if should the demand arise, they would be willing to work on a solution for drive-in theaters.
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 10-18-2005, 01:27 AM:
 
Updated...10/23.

ADM
New York, NY: Pavilion

AMC
Houston, TX: Willowbrook 24
Leawood, KS: Town Center 20

CENTURY
Albuquerque, NM: Century Rio 24
Daly City, CA: Century 20
Huntington Beach, CA: Century Stadium 20
Las Vegas, NV: Century South Coast Stadium 16
Orange, CA: Century Stadium 25
Redwood City, CA: Century Stadium 20
San Jose, CA: Century 22
Sandy, UT: Century Union Heights Stadium 16

CINEMAWORLD
Lincoln, RI: CinemaWorld
West Melbourne, FL: CinemaWorld 16

CLASSIC
Elk Grove Village, IL: Elk Grove
Oak Park, IL: Lake

CROWN
Annapolis, MD: Annapolis Mall 11
Skokie, IL: Village Crossing 18

DICKINSON
Lee's Summit, MO: Eastglen 16

EMAGINE
Novi, MI: Novi 18

GALAXY
Austin, TX: Highland 10
Monroe, WA: Monroe 12
Riverbank, CA: Riverbank 12

GREENVILLE
Greenville, SC: Camelot

HALLETT
Bellevue, WA: Galleria 11
Meridian, ID: Majestic
Sunnyside, WA: Grand Cinemas Yakima Valley

HARKINS
Peoria, AZ: Arrowhead Fountains 18

KERASOTES
Coon Rapids, MN: ShowPlace 16
Evansville, IN: Stadium 16
Indianapolis, IN: ShowPlace 16
Schererville, IN: ShowPlace 12

LOEKS
Gaines Township, MI: Celebration! Cinema South

LOEWS CINEPLEX
Auburn Hills, MI: Star Great Lakes Crossing
Boston, MA: Boston Common
Elizabeth, NJ: Jersey Gardens 20
Gaithersburg, MD: Rio 18
Los Angeles, CA: Universal Studios CityWalk
New York, NY: Kips Bay
New York, NY: Lincoln Square
Port Chester, NY: The Waterfront at Port Chester
San Francisco, CA: Metreon
Schaumburg, IL: Streets of Woodfield
Washington, DC: Georgetown 14

MAIN ST.
Yuma, AZ: Main St.

MALCO
Memphis, TN: Paradiso

MANN
Glendale, CA: Glendale Exchange 10
Glendale, CA: Glendale Marketplace 4

MEGAPLEX
Sandy, UT: Megaplex 17 at Jordan Commons

MJR
Brighton, MI: Brighton Towne Square Cinema 20
Southgate, MI: Southgate Cinema 20
Sterling Heights, MI: Marketplace Cinema 20
Waterford Township, MI: Waterford Cinema 16

NATIONAL AMUSEMENTS
Ten sites...

PACIFIC/DISNEY
Los Angeles, CA: El Capitan

PACIFIC
Los Angeles, CA: Galleria Stadium 16
Los Angeles, CA: The Grove Stadium 14

PREMIERE
Melbourne, FL: Oaks 10

R/C
Daytona Beach, FL: Ocean Walk Movies
Hanover, PA: Hanover Movies 16

RAVE
Chattanooga, TN: East Ridge 18
Columbus, OH: Polaris 18
Fort Wayne, IN: Jefferson Pointe 18
Hickory Creek, TX: Hickory Creek 16
Hoover, AL: Patton Creek 15
Hurst, TX: North East Mall 18
Melbourne, FL: Avenue 16
Plainfield, IN: Metropolis 18
West Chester, OH: West Chester 18

REGAL
Austin, TX: Gateway Stadium 16
Buford, GA: Mall of Georgia Stadium 20
Coeur d'Alene, ID: Riverstone Stadium 14
Dublin, CA: Hacienda Crossings Stadium 20
Hazelwood, MO: St. Louis Mills Stadium 18
Irvine, CA: Irvine Spectrum 21
King of Prussia, PA: King of Prussia Stadium 16
Knoxville, TN: Pinnacle Stadium 18
Lakewood, CO: Colorado Mills Stadium 16
Las Vegas, NV: Colonnade Stadium 14
Lincolnshire, IL: Lincolnshire Stadium 20
Long Beach, CA: Long Beach Stadium 26
New Rochelle, NY: New Roc City
New York, NY: Union Square Stadium 14
Orlando, FL: Waterford Stadium 20
Pinellas Park, FL: Park Place Stadium 16
San Diego, CA: Mira Mesa Stadium 18
Sterling, VA: Countryside Stadium 20
Sunrise, FL: Sawgrass Stadium 23

SANTIKOS
San Antonio, TX: Silverado 16

Chains that will not be showing "Chicken Little" in Digital Projection
Cinemark
Marcus
UltraStar
Wehrenberg

>>>List edited 10/14, 10/16, 10/17, 10/18, 10/19 & 10/23 to post additional information<<<

[ 10-23-2005, 01:54 PM: Message edited by: Michael Coate ]
 

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Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 10-18-2005, 08:01 AM:
 
Michael,

I believe your list is mistaken for Loews. First off, the Rio in Gaithersburg MD is an 18, not a 14 and only has a 1.3K DLP. I believe the 2K installation for Chicken Little will be happening at the Georgetown in Washington, DC (not on your list).
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 10-19-2005, 01:06 AM:
 
Steve,
Thanks for the corrections. I'm sure there are other "errors" present. That is the nature of gathering information of this type from multiple sources --- some clued-in, others clue-less --- prior to it being official. I've made five or six updates already, and I bet I'll make as many before Nov. 4. In particular, I question some of the Century and Loews info. And, just a couple of posts ago, someone mentioned there being only two 3-D showings for the Rave circuit; I was informed there will be nine. And on and on...

Amazingly, I've spoken to more than one exhibitor who did not know the difference between IMAX and Digital Cinema. One theater which has DLP installed (2K even) insists they cannot run "Chicken Little" because they don't have IMAX!

Anyway, so what if Gaithersburg has the older 1.3K system. I'm under the impression that Disney is offering "Chicken Little" in 2-D DLP as well as the new 3-D format. (Many of the theaters on the list will be 2-D; I thought that was clear in one of my prior postings.) Anyone heard differently?
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-19-2005, 12:09 PM:
 
According to an Oct. 10 Florida Today article, two Brevard County, FL theaters will be showing the REAL D version:

PREMIERE THEATRES OAKS 10
Melbourne

RAVE MOTION PICTURES
Viera
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 10-19-2005, 03:45 PM:
 
RAVE MOTION PICTURES Viera = Rave Avenue 16 Melbourne
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-19-2005, 03:53 PM:
 
You're the man!

I'm still trying to confirm this, but I would be very suprised if Chicken Little DOES NOT show in 3D at the AMC Pleasure Island 24 at Walt Disney World.

[ 10-19-2005, 06:05 PM: Message edited by: Joseph L. Kleiman ]
 

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Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 10-19-2005, 08:08 PM:
 
Disney is screening "Chicken Little" in 3D next Monday at ShowEast, most likely at the AMC Pleasure Island, where screenings are normally held:

http://www.vnufilmgroup.com/filmgroup/showeast/show_info/schedule.jsp

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7:00 PM – 11:30 PM

"A SPECIAL SHOWEAST DOUBLE FEATURE"

Touchstone Pictures'
"CASANOVA"

and

Walt Disney Pictures'
"CHICKEN LITTLE"

Enjoy a premium digital 3D experience as Disney presents "Chicken Little" using REAL D Cinema platform and the Dolby Digital Cinema Playback System.

(A Digital Cinema Presentation using DLP Cinema Projection Technology manufactured by Christie)

BRIEF INTERMISSION AND DESSERT RECEPTION
Sponsored by REAL D

Upon entering the theatre, ShowEast delegates may proceed to the auditorium and film of their choice. Following the Dessert Reception, everyone is invited back for the second screening of each film

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Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 10-21-2005, 09:23 AM:
 
3-D Installation confirmed at Rave Polaris 18 through newspaper ad in Friday, October 21 Columbus Dispatch.

Ad copy: CHICKEN LITTLE in DIGITAL 3-D! All new technology like you have never seen before. Coming November 4th!
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-21-2005, 10:12 AM:
 
Unless it comes out today, which is highly doubtful, I'm betting the official list comes out Monday in conjunction with the Chicken Little session at ShowEast.
 

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Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 10-21-2005, 10:37 AM:
 
If we all don't get blown away by Wilma!
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-21-2005, 11:22 AM:
 
Chicken Little is confirmed to be playing at the following Mexican theaters Nov. 4:

Cinepolis Plaza Universidad
Mexico City

Cinemex Mundo
Mexico City

MM Cinemas Humberto Lobos Theatre
Monterrey

A fourth Mexican location is yet to be determined. The Mexican run of Chicken Little will not be using Dolby Digital Cinema servers, but rather QuVIS dual-stream servers. The deal is being put together by Moving Image Technologies. I just checked with QuVIS and all four systems will be using REAL D.

And here's the official one sheet poster from Disney for the U.S. market:



[ 10-21-2005, 04:25 PM: Message edited by: Joseph L. Kleiman ]
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 10-21-2005, 05:40 PM:
 
That poster is wrong. "Disney Digital 3-D" should be smaller if it is going to fit in "Dolby Digital Cinema".
 

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Posted by Shane Cooper (Member # 2510) on 10-23-2005, 01:39 AM:
 
The Rave Motion Pictures Polaris 18 completed the install today.

So far the interest has been high from customers, but we will see how it goes for future releases.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 10-23-2005, 03:01 AM:
 
We've got our door guys wearing the lens-less promo 3D glasses we got in, and from what I hear, we are getting plenty of customer questions. So, we're pitching this thing like crazy.

The exhaust fan duct has been installed, and we're all reading up on the Dolby Show Store and Player operator manual and all that fun stuff. It seems like a neat system.

You know, it's really too bad that I'm not actually looking forward to the actual movie. The trailer really turned me off. Dancing CG characters are so boring.

And "Disney Digital 3D" is trademarked, eh?
 

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Posted by Jason Miller (Member # 2341) on 10-23-2005, 07:22 PM:
 
Regal St Louis Mills 18 did not install a Digital Projector. unless they did it behind my back.

which isn't all together impossible...
 

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Posted by Wolff King Morrow (Member # 2226) on 10-24-2005, 03:18 AM:
 
I've been studying up on the manuals myself. The automation for this setup is too cool. You can program the entire cue system, ads, trailers, and start times using an LCD panel and keyboard. You can even program in all the start times in advance for as long as you want.
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-24-2005, 03:30 AM:
 

quote: Wolff King Morrow

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You can program the entire cue system, ads, trailers, and start times using an LCD panel and keyboard. You can even program in all the start times in advance for as long as you want.

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Oh the horror...timers!

Funny, we have all of those features on our fabulously sexy CA21 automations running real FILM too. I'll bet the Dolby stuff can't program volume changes though.
 

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Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 10-24-2005, 08:25 AM:
 
Can this thing use an existing automation system (e.g. CA21), or does it only work with its own internal automation system?

Actually, I bet that it could do sound level changes, assuming that it has an unused contact closure. That could be used to operate either Brad's remote-fader trick or to select a different format (with fader setting assigned) on a CP500 or 650.
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-24-2005, 02:24 PM:
 
News from ShowEast. 85 US screens, 4 Mexican screens for Chicken Little. This is from REAL D:

The following U.S. and Canadian theater circuits and independently owned theaters will be equipped with REAL D Cinema systems:

· AccessIT's Pavilion Digital Showcase Theatre
· AMC Theatres
· Celebration Cinema
· Century Theatres
· Cineplex Galaxy LP
· Classic Cinemas
· Crown Theatres, LLC
· Dickinson Theatres/Midwest Cinema Group
· Harkins Theatres
· Kerasotes ShowPlace Theatres, LLC
· Loews Cineplex Entertainment
· Malco Theatres, Inc.
· Mann Theatres
· MegaPlex Theatres, Inc.
· MJR THEATRES
· Muvico Theaters
· National Amusements
· Premiere Theaters, LLC
· Rave Motion Picture Theaters
· Regal Entertainment Group
· Santikos Theatres

Select screens at the following Mexican theater chains will be equipped with REAL D Cinema systems:

· CINEMEX
· Cinépolis
· MMCinemas

And this is from REG:

Chicken Little in digital 3-D in REAL D Cinema format will open at the following Regal Entertainment Group theatres on Nov. 4:

· Regal Cinemas, Mall of Georgia Stadium 20 & IMAX, Atlanta, GA
· Regal Cinemas, Gateway Stadium 16, Austin, TX
· Regal Cinemas, Lincolnshire Stadium 20 & IMAX, Chicago, IL
· United Artists, Colorado Mills Stadium 16, Denver, CO
· Regal Cinemas, Hacienda Crossings Stadium 20 & IMAX, Dublin, CA
· Regal Cinemas, Sawgrass Stadium 23, Ft Lauderdale, FL
· Edwards, Irvine Spectrum Stadium 21 & IMAX, Irvine, CA
· Regal Cinemas, Pinnacle Stadium 18, Knoxville, TN
· Regal Cinemas, Colonnade Stadium 14, Las Vegas, NV
· Edwards, Long Beach Stadium 26, Long Beach, CA
· Regal Cinemas, New Roc City Stadium 18 & IMAX, New Rochelle, NY
· Regal Cinemas, Union Square Stadium 14 (Two Screens), New York, NY
· Regal Cinemas, Waterford Lakes Stadium 20, Orlando, FL
· United Artists, King of Prussia Stadium 16 & IMAX, Philadelphia, PA
· Regal Cinemas, Bridgeport Village Stadium 18, Portland, OR
· Regal Cinemas, Countryside Stadium 20, Sterling, VA
 

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Posted by Wolff King Morrow (Member # 2226) on 10-24-2005, 04:51 PM:
 

quote: Brad Miller

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Funny, we have all of those features on our fabulously sexy CA21 automations running real FILM too. I'll bet the Dolby stuff can't program volume changes though.

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So let me get this straight: You can program digital trailer content onto real FILM?
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 10-24-2005, 07:58 PM:
 
Yes that's right. But we don't have to do the digital to film conversion. The labs do it for us, since all trailers these days are from a digital master anyway.

Stupid "digitial" buzzword.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 10-24-2005, 08:19 PM:
 

quote: Brad Miller

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I'll bet the Dolby stuff can't program volume changes though.

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Not completely sure about that ... it doesn't appear so. But, the IMAX DTAC sound system lets you!
 

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Posted by Mike Babb (Member # 1379) on 10-24-2005, 09:34 PM:
 
The Dolby show player is networked with the CP650 and can make sound format and volume changes at any time you program, trailer by trailer if you want, and in and out of EX if you want.
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 10-25-2005, 08:45 AM:
 
Gee, we can program a week's worth of start times on our Strong DA10 automations - which we bought almost 15 years ago. It's a pain to do, but the feature is there.
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-25-2005, 10:16 AM:
 
Last night at ShowEast, Disney only showed 15 minutes of Chicken Little in 3D. A number of shots were sent back by Disney to ILM last week to get a more immersive feeling. The full 3D conversion with the new shots is expected to be completed by Wednesday with the film world premiering on Sunday.
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 10-25-2005, 03:24 PM:
 
What the FREAK!?!?!

HEY, DISNEY: RENDER THE OTHER FREAKIN EYE!

Ugh. What the hell, man.


 

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Posted by Wolff King Morrow (Member # 2226) on 10-25-2005, 04:28 PM:
 
Yeah, seems like they are really pushing the deadline if shots are getting sent back that late.

BTW, have you guys heard of people who cannot see in 3D? Its something to do with not having developed that part of their brain in their early childhood. That would suck to not be able to see 3D.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 10-25-2005, 07:44 PM:
 
My roommate actually has that exact condition. There was damage to one of his eyes when he was young. Although the technology to fix what's wrong with the eye does exist, and it's a fairly simple procedure, his brain had adapted to favor the other eye early enough that the procedure would not be effective at this stage in his life (30). The brain would continue to "ignore" the input from the fixed eye, with (to my knowledge) no way of ever "conditioning" the brain to understand. He's legally blind in one eye, and hence, has no depth perception.

He's not bitter that he can't see in 3D. He, like his brain, just learned to adapt his view of the world with what he's given.

quote:

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HEY, DISNEY: RENDER THE OTHER FREAKIN EYE!

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What? Did they actually run some algorithm CONVERSION to simulate 3D, or did they render independent camera "eyes" like they should have, and had no reason not to do?
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 10-26-2005, 04:22 PM:
 
National Amusements announced their theaters today for the 3D version:

The Bridge Cinema de Lux, Los Angeles, CA
Showcase Cinemas Buckland Hills, Manchester, CT
Showcase Cinemas Davenport 53, Davenport, IA
Showcase Cinemas Stonybrook, Louisville, KY
Showcase Cinemas Randolph, Randolph, MA
Showcase Cinemas Revere, Revere, MA
City Center 15 Cinema de Lux, White Plains, NY
Island 16 Cinema de Lux, Holtsville, NY
Springdale 18 Cinema de Lux, Cincinnati, OH
Lee Highway Multiplex, Merrifield, VA

Mann Theatres also announced their locations:

Janss Marketplace 9, Thousand Oaks
Glendale Exchange 10, Glendale
The Plant Van Nuys 16, Van Nuys
 

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Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 10-26-2005, 09:36 PM:
 
2 theatres in the Cincinnati OH area that are showing the 3D version are only 6 miles apart. Strange how things like that happen some times!

I could see that proximity in a big city, but not the northern suburbs of Cincinnati OH.
 

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Posted by Amanda Jones (Member # 3326) on 10-27-2005, 02:57 AM:
 
We received our 3d glasses today. 10,000 If we were to sell out every time we ran the show it would take us only a week to run out of glasses but I don't look for us to sell out every single show. Might on the weekends since we are the only theater in Indianapolis (Contrary to belief Plainfield is its own town) playing in digital.
 

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Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 10-27-2005, 06:33 AM:
 
I love the smell of bannana bread in the morning. At least that is what polorized 3-D glasses used to smell like when they arrived by the case
 

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Posted by Larry Zuverink (Member # 1483) on 10-28-2005, 01:12 PM:
 
We tied our CNA 100 into the Dolby NA10 so that the status panel works. There are programmable inputs and outputs. Can't have that digital running during a fire.
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 10-29-2005, 06:26 PM:
 
Here's a near-final U.S. & Canada locations list for the 3-D DLP showings of "Chicken Little"

[Arranged by exhibitor; for a list arranged by location and for the 2-D DLP venues, please visit www.FromScriptToDVD.com]

ACCESS DIGITAL
New York, NY: Pavilion

AMC
Lake Buena Vista, FL: Pleasure Island 24
Leawood, KS: Town Center 20
Houston, TX: Willowbrook 24

CENTURY
Daly City, CA: Century 20
San Jose, CA: Century 20 Oakridge

CINEPLEX GALAXY
Vaughan, ON, Canada: Colossus Woodbridge
Mississauga, ON, Canada: SilverCity

CINETOPIA
Vancouver, WA: Cinetopia

CLASSIC
Oak Park, IL: Lake

CROWN
Annapolis, MD: Annapolis Mall 11
Skokie, IL: Village Crossings 18

DICKINSON
Lee's Summit, MO: Eastglen 16

DISNEY/PACIFIC
Los Angeles, CA: El Capitan

HALLETT
Bellevue, WA: Bellevue Galleria Stadium 11
Meridian, ID: Majestic
Sunnyside, WA: Grand Cinemas Yakima Valley

HARKINS
Peoria, AZ: Arrowhead Fountains 18
Tempe, AZ: Arizona Mills 24

KERASOTES
Coon Rapids, MN: ShowPlace 16
Evansville, IN: Stadium 16
Indianapolis, IN: ShowPlace 16
Schererville, IN: ShowPlace 12

LOEKS/CELEBRATION!
Gaines Township, MI: Celebration! Cinema South

LOEWS CINEPLEX
Auburn Hills, MI: Star Great Lakes Crossing
Boston, MA: Boston Common
Elizabeth, NJ: Jersey Gardens 20
Los Angeles, CA: Universal City 18
New York, NY: 84th Street
San Francisco, CA: Metreon
Schaumburg, IL: Streets of Woodfield 20
Washington, DC: Georgetown 14
Westbury, NY: Roosevelt Raceway 10

MALCO
Memphis, TN: Paradiso

MANN
Glendale, CA: Glendale Exchange 10
Los Angeles, CA: Plant 16 Van Nuys
Thousand Oaks, CA: Janss Marketplace 9

MEGAPLEX
Sandy, UT: Megaplex 17 at Jordan Commons

MJR
Brighton, MI: Brighton Towne Square Cinema 20
Southgate, MI: Southgate Cinema 20
Sterling Heights, MI: Marketplace Cinema 20
Waterford, MI: Waterford Cinema 16

MUVICO
Boca Raton, FL: Palace 20
Davie, FL: Paradise 24
Hanover, MD: Egyptian 24
St. Petersburg, FL: Baywalk 20
Tampa, FL: Starlight 20

NATIONAL AMUSEMENTS
Davenport, IA: Showcase Cinemas 53
Holtsville, NY: Island 16: Cinema de Lux
Los Angeles, CA: The Bridge: Cinema de Lux
Louisville, KY: Showcase Cinemas Stonybrook
Manchester, CT: Showcase Cinemas Buckland Hills
Merrifield, VA: Lee Highway 14
Revere, MA: Showcase Revere
Randolph, MA: Showcase Randolph
Springdale, OH: Springdale 18: Cinema de Lux
White Plains, NY: City Center 15: Cinema de Lux

PREMIERE
Melbourne, FL: Oaks 10

RAVE
Chattanooga, TN: East Ridge 18
Columbus, OH: Polaris 18
Fort Wayne, IN: Jefferson Pointe 18
Hickory Creek, TX: Hickory Creek 16
Hoover, AL: Patton Creek 15
Hurst, TX: North East Mall 18
Melbourne, FL: Avenue 16
Plainfield, IN: Metropolis 18
West Chester, OH: West Chester 18

REGAL
Austin, TX: Gateway Stadium 16
Buford, GA: Mall of Georgia Stadium 20
Dublin, CA: Hacienda Crossings Stadium 20
Irvine, CA: Irvine Spectrum 21
King of Prussia, PA: King of Prussia Stadium 16
Knoxville, TN: Pinnacle Stadium 18
Lakewood, CO: Colorado Mills Stadium 16
Las Vegas, NV: Colonnade Stadium 14
Lincolnshire, IL: Lincolnshire Stadium 20
Long Beach, CA: Long Beach Towne Center Stadium 26
New Rochelle, NY: New Roc Stadium 18
New York, NY: Union Square Stadium 14
Orlando, FL: Waterford Stadium 20
Sterling, VA: Countryside Stadium 20
Sunrise, FL: Sawgrass Stadium 23
Tigard, OR: Bridgeport Village Stadium 18

SANTIKOS
San Antonio, TX: Silverado 16

[ 10-30-2005, 05:15 PM: Message edited by: Michael Coate ]
 

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Posted by Stephen LaPadula (Member # 3050) on 10-31-2005, 02:06 PM:
 
OK, I have a few things to bring up, some maybe a little off the topic of "Installing Digital Projector"

Almost all chains are adding a surcharge; I found the following through Fandango/Moviephone:
Regal: $1.50
Crown: $1.00
N/A: $2.00
Mann: $1.75
Harkins: $1.00
Rave: $1.00

Century is not charging extra, AMC and Loews did not have tickets on sale when I checked.

Also, I figured the reason it took so long for the chains to negotiate which theatres would get a 3d digital projector was so they would have it exclusively in their market. 2 confirmed theatres (by box office brochure) in the NY market, the City Center 15(N/A) and New Roc City 18(Regal), are only 10 miles apart. What sense does this make when there are several whole states that won't be getting these projectors at all?? Im not familiar with the rest of the country, but is this the case anywhere else? Why would N/A, Regal, or even Disney want to put two of these so close together?

I will try to scan/take a pic of the brochure

One more thing, my theatre got 2 of these projectors(Barco). They are all set up and ready to show the film. Is anyone else getting 2 3d projectors?
 

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Posted by Amanda Jones (Member # 3326) on 11-01-2005, 12:54 AM:
 
Kerasotes is adding a $1.00 surcharge and not allowing employees to see the movie for free.

We got 1 digital projector and Plainfield Indiana which is only 20 minutes via I465 from us I believe got at least 1 but I wouldn't be surprised if they got 2. They are a new theater just opening up so that is why there 2 chains within good distance with a digitial projector.

I'm excited. We are training Tuesday at 9 am.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 11-01-2005, 04:27 AM:
 
The "print" came in today, 89 gigs on a removable hard drive and it was loaded/verified in something like 45 minutes. The license key to unlock the feature comes tomorrow.

"Building" the print and trailers and policy spots is a breeze! Drag and drop couldn't get simpler.
 

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Posted by Dick Vaughan (Member # 540) on 11-01-2005, 06:10 AM:
 

quote: Amanda Jones

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We received our 3d glasses today

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quote: Phil Hill

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Since I wear corrective glasses, trying to wear 3D Polaroid glasses, or those POS LCD goggles, on top of/over my regular glasses just doesn't cut it. It was OK when I wore contacts...

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Then you obviously haven't tried our super comfey 3D glasses which fit comfortably over prescription glasses.

I'll even send you a pair to try out
 

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Posted by Amanda Jones (Member # 3326) on 11-01-2005, 06:34 AM:
 
The 3D glasses are green plastic frames with the polarized lenses. Sorry don't have a pic but they are supposed to resemble the glasses Chicken Little wears in the movie. They are throw away glasses because Disney is promoting the glasses as a take home souvenier.
 

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Posted by John Vincent, Jr. (Member # 1791) on 11-01-2005, 07:49 AM:
 
National Amusements, Randolph MA surcharge appears to be $2.25.
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 11-01-2005, 08:53 AM:
 

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Kerasotes is ... not allowing employees to see the movie for free.

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quote: Amanda Jones

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we get charged every time we run the movie on the projector

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quote: Amanda Jones

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Our understanding is that we get charged every time we run the movie on the projector so the company doesn't want the movie to be run if it doesn't have to be.

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By who? Disney? I thought studios WANTED their movies to be pre-screened by theater personnel. Maybe they think nothing could possibly go wrong since they're not using film.
 

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Posted by Amanda Jones (Member # 3326) on 11-01-2005, 11:50 PM:
 
I think it is Dolby that will be charging us per use. I don't remember who they said. Either our licensing key will allow us a certain number of plays or with only allow us to run the print during a certain time period. Our tech guy wasn't 100% sure because the Dolby guy who trained him wouldn't give him a clear answer.
 

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Posted by Carl Martin (Member # 1146) on 11-02-2005, 03:28 AM:
 
either way, i don't see why an employee couldn't sit in on a regular show that didn't sell out.

carl
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 11-02-2005, 08:23 AM:
 
Wow. That's really interesting. So I wonder what happens when you have a school showing before operating hours or something like that.
 

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Posted by Paul Konen (Member # 41) on 11-02-2005, 09:21 AM:
 
Wow, not being able to pre-screen is not good. When my DLP releases come in, the studios have paid a third party company to screen it. Why? I don't know. I have everything setup when the tech arrives anyway. My servers are NOT hooked to the network at all. Don't want any nasty viruses as my servers are currently Windows based.
 

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Posted by Barry Floyd (Member # 385) on 11-02-2005, 09:35 AM:
 
Does anyone have a photo of one of these new Digital installations??
 

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Posted by Amanda Jones (Member # 3326) on 11-02-2005, 11:11 AM:
 

quote: Mark J. Marshall

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Wow. That's really interesting. So I wonder what happens when you have a school showing before operating hours or something like that.

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I honestly don't know. I'm guessing we would have to go through Dolby/Disney about that. We had nothing to do with the booking of our press screening tomorrow night. That was all done via our film buyer.
 

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Posted by Jesse Skeen (Member # 586) on 11-02-2005, 12:14 PM:
 
So who's gonna be the first to pirate this movie?
 

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Posted by Eric Hooper (Member # 1730) on 11-02-2005, 12:28 PM:
 
Loews Metreon SF is charging $2 extra.

Century 20 Daly City has no extra charge.
 

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Posted by Amanda Jones (Member # 3326) on 11-02-2005, 12:38 PM:
 
For an intelligent person pirating a 3D movie is just retarded and they would know better because you won't be able to see much 3D, if any at home.

Though most movie piraters are idiots anyway so who knows.
 

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Posted by Dick Vaughan (Member # 540) on 11-02-2005, 02:33 PM:
 
We have had people trying to pirate IMAX 3D movies by attempting to shoot with 2 DVcams held up to a pair of 3D glasses

BTW does anyone know who is making/installing the silver screens?
MDI?
 

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Posted by Amanda Jones (Member # 3326) on 11-02-2005, 02:58 PM:
 
Franklin Designs is who did our screens in our company and they are coming out tonight to replace ours because it is blotchy.
 

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Posted by Sam D. Chavez (Member # 1841) on 11-02-2005, 05:49 PM:
 
The screens are indeed from MDI.
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 11-02-2005, 05:53 PM:
 
Sounds like Marcel isn't going to be a happy camper. A bunch of returned screens sure don't help the bottom line.
 

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Posted by Sam D. Chavez (Member # 1841) on 11-02-2005, 08:34 PM:
 
MDI seems to be struggling since Andrew Lee departed.
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 11-02-2005, 10:08 PM:
 
I know a guy who managed to record one eye of Captain EO back in the day.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 11-03-2005, 04:23 AM:
 
So, after several calls and a mad scramble to figure things out, we finally learned that the license key we were expecting on Tuesday was not shipping separately, as we were originally told and anticipating, but instead was already INCLUDED on the removable hard drive the movie was shipped on. But it was on a timer so that it wouldn't be valid until 12:01am Wednesday. It validated the feature through the 11th, at which point we should be expecting another license key to be shipped, so we can play the movie for another week.

We had our training, learned a little of the ins-and-outs of the Dolby Digital projection thing, and we screened Chicken Little tonight. My review has been posted.

quote: Dick Vaughan

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Can anyone post a pic of [the 3D glasses]?

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Here are the glasses.


And here is me wearing the glasses.


Sorry, I didn't yet get a shot of our projector setup ... but, if it's allowable, I'll try.
 

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Posted by Wolff King Morrow (Member # 2226) on 11-03-2005, 05:09 AM:
 
Here's a link to a picture of the Barco projector from their site:

Barco Dp100

The Z-filter is just a rectangle piece of LCD glass that hangs in front of the lens
 

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Posted by Mike Babb (Member # 1379) on 11-03-2005, 06:50 AM:
 
"Nothing came OUT of the screen. It was all flush to the screen and receding from it, so it had a little depth, but nothing engrossing or pulling you into the film."

Brian and others, this describes what it looked like when the left eye/right eye settings were backwards on one install. You should call Dolby but you can test it by flipping the glasses to see if the 3D effect improves. The Dolby trailer numbers and logo should come right out to your nose, the Chicken Little logo should too. If the glasses flip works, call them because there is a phase switch and settings in the software on the projector to fix it. It may be as easy as flipping a switch. I helped in 6 installs and have seen the demo in 4 of them so far and it looks great.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 11-03-2005, 10:18 AM:
 
I know what reversed 3D looks like, and this wasn't it. Foreground things were still in front of background things. And I exaggerated in saying "nothing" came out. A rare pointing finger, or an occasional flying brick, or the logo stuff DID come out.
 

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Posted by Daryl C. W. O'Shea (Member # 1303) on 11-03-2005, 04:03 PM:
 

quote: Wolff King Morrow

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Here's a link to a picture of the Barco projector from their site

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I don't think I'd be willing to buy one of those due to it being extremely fugly. Expensive equipment should look good.
 

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Posted by Wolff King Morrow (Member # 2226) on 11-03-2005, 04:25 PM:
 
Mike is right, that sounds like the phase switch is in the "up" position when it should be down. Check the back of the Real D unit in the projector, that's where the switch is. Same thing happened to me when I first ran some 3D content. When we switched it down, then the 3D came shooting out of the screen.

Actaully Daryl, the Barco looks much cooler in person when running. Reminds me a lot of a super computer from a late '80s movie with its blue glowing panel and green corner lights. Ours is also all black.
 

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Posted by Dan Lyons (Member # 1454) on 11-03-2005, 04:33 PM:
 
That is pretty ugly. What happens to the DLP chip when the xenon bulb explodes? What type of protection is built in to keep the electronics safe?

I'd love to see some "after" photos of the insides after the bulb blows.
 

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Posted by Wolff King Morrow (Member # 2226) on 11-03-2005, 04:58 PM:
 
The bulb is completely encased in a removable lamp housing unit. Even the front has a glass filter sheild on it. AN explosion inside would mean most likely just replacing the housing unit.

BTW, they decided they want to run the bulb at 120%, so now this becomes more of a possibility.
 

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Posted by Mike Olpin (Member # 1115) on 11-03-2005, 09:02 PM:
 

quote: Brian Michael Weidemann

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"Building" the print and trailers and policy spots is a breeze! Drag and drop couldn't get simpler.

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Yep. Dolby's digital cinema system has a great interface. It was one of my favorite things I saw at ShoWest last year.
 

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Posted by Brian Michael Weidemann (Member # 2243) on 11-03-2005, 09:50 PM:
 
I agree. It's just too bad that every interface to anything on a computer screen these days has to look like a rounded, brushed metal console with embossed buttons. Nothing wrong with them, since I prefer simple over ornate, but gunmetal gray just seems unoriginal. Just a pet peeve.
 

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 11-03-2005, 10:17 PM:
 
Quoting from the Megaplex Theatres website for the 3D showings at Jordan Commons:

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Come experience, for the first time, anywhere in Utah, 3-D Digital. No film means the best presentation possible.

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A friend will be at the 5:45 show Friday. I hope to get a report from him.
 

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Posted by Wolff King Morrow (Member # 2226) on 11-04-2005, 05:46 AM:
 
Watched the 3D feature. The best 3D was the logos at the beginning for the respective companies involved in the project. Chicken Little's 3D was at times quite impressive, but too much -Z and not enough +Z axis was used, like mentioned before.

All and all, I can't wait for an action flick or sci-fi flick in 3D. That's going to really bring in the crowds.
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 11-04-2005, 10:34 AM:
 
You'll have a major live action blockbuster in digital 3D in the Spring.
 

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Posted by Amanda Jones (Member # 3326) on 11-04-2005, 12:56 PM:
 
1 whole person came to the press screening last night. 1!!! I honestly don't think he stayed through the entire movie because I was talking to him since I know him from screenings we had at my old theater and he said he already seen it and didn't like it but wanted to check it out in 3D.
 

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Posted by Jeff Joseph (Member # 511) on 11-04-2005, 01:10 PM:
 
A few notes:

1. If I read this correctly, if your "phase" switch is set wrong, the 3-D doesn't work correctly... true?

2. The glasses for this film are circular polarization, not standard 3-D glasses used since the 1950s. So customers HAVE to use the Chicken Little glasses for this to work (or you can buy circular polarization glasses from third party vendors, I believe).

3. WAS this 3-D created by rendering both eyes? Or just using one eye and then extrapolating the other? Anybody know for sure?

thanks,

Jeff
 

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Posted by Sam D. Chavez (Member # 1841) on 11-04-2005, 06:00 PM:
 
According to Chuck Viane of Disney at a Showeast seminar, ILM was told to render a 3D version with 14 weeks to go before release. ILM initially said it was not possible in the remaining time, which would indicate the project was well under way.
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 11-04-2005, 06:36 PM:
 
Actually ILM was told to re-render. They've been working on the project since June, when Disney initially put it together. Disney's concern was that the initial ILM renders appeared to make the audience appear as spectators of a 3D film, whereas they wanted the audience to "feel as if they are guests in Chicken Little's house."

Jeff, you might want to contact Ray Zone as to the rendering.

Joe
 

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Posted by Sam D. Chavez (Member # 1841) on 11-04-2005, 06:44 PM:
 
I'm rendered speechless.

[ 11-04-2005, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: Sam D. Chavez ]
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 11-04-2005, 07:02 PM:
 
Chuck, since you're in the Bay Area, do you have plans to catch the 3D version at any of the four area theaters?
 

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Posted by Amanda Jones (Member # 3326) on 11-04-2005, 10:37 PM:
 
552 people the entire day for Chicken Little 3D this is out of a 1475 capacity for the theater if you add in all the shows (295 seats times 5 show times)

Not too bad but hopefully it will pick up tomorrow.
 

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 11-04-2005, 10:41 PM:
 
Eyewitness report from a friend who attended the 5:45PM show today at Megaplex Jordan Commons in Sandy, Utah... Paraphrasing him...

"The 3D effect was best I've ever seen. The glasses are lightweight and comfortable and did not cause a headache. The image was bright and crystal clear. There were no video or audio glitches in the show at all.

The show was sold out and seats were assigned/reserved.

The green sofa had been removed."

(The eyewitness is not particularly interested in the technical aspects of film or digital. The show looked great to him as an average moviegoer.)
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 11-05-2005, 01:27 AM:
 
Please forgive me, Joseph, maybe I'm an idiot but this still isn't clear to me for some reason. If Disney rendered the first eye themselves, why did they need ILM to render the other eye if that's all ILM did? The articles sure sounded to me like ILM was CONVERTING Disney's 2D film into a 3D film the same way they're converting Star Wars from 2D to 3D, which is by artificially generating the 2nd eye using the REAL D algorythms.

So, which of these is correct?

A) Disney created and rendered the entire 2D movie using some computer animation software, like Renderman for example, and then handed the Renderman source files for all of the scenes and all of the 3D models over to ILM so they could move the virtual camera in all of the shots two and a half inches to the left (or right), and using Renderman render the entire movie again, using the exact same software and source files that Disney used to render the first eye, thus creating the 2nd eye. (If this is the case, I'd like to know why ILM was brought in. Was it a case of raw computer power? Maybe Disney didn't have the computer power to render the other eye themselves in time, but ILM did?)

- or -

B) Disney created and rendered the entire 2D movie using some computer animation software, like Renderman for example, and then handed the completed movie file over to ILM so they could use REAL D's algorythms to artificially generate the other eye just like they're doing with Star Wars. (If THIS is the case, I'd like to know why this was done as opposed to option A.)

Thanks.
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 11-05-2005, 02:24 AM:
 
Mark,

If I'm not mistaken it was A. However, the conversion of the film by ILM had nothing to do with REAL D's algorithms. It could be shown just as easily in IMAX or with an old 3D system like Natural Vision once ILM completed the process. I've been told that ILM was chosen because on such short notice they were able to design a way to convert the film in only four months, roughly half the time what it took to convert Polar Express. The funny thing is that when ILM took the job, they were prepping for their move to San Francisco.

One other note: the Star Wars conversions are being conducted by In-Three, not ILM, and use a completely differnt process and software.
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 11-05-2005, 08:13 AM:
 
Ok, so first, I guess I'm confusing the companies and their roles in all of this a little bit. Thanks for clarifying that.

The confusion I think is coming from the word "convert". The difference between Polar Express and Star Wars is that with Polar Express, one eye was rendered, and then the second eye was rendered, thus generating two unique eyes from the same source files - the live action equivalent of being filmed with two cameras like Natural Vision was. Star Wars is being "converted" in the sense that it was only filmed with one camera, and In Three (NOT Real D or ILM, sorry about that) is artificially extrapolating the second eye. The story about ILM redoing some scenes to make them more "immersive" added to my confusion.

Thanks for clarifying.
 

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Posted by Stephen LaPadula (Member # 3050) on 11-05-2005, 01:42 PM:
 
OK, so heres the recap....

Chicken Little in 3-D played on 2 screens last night. The combined capacity was still less than the house playing the 35 mm print.

The 3-D print, with less available seats, more than doubled the gross of the 35mm.

Its still too early to tell if this is a fad or novelty, however its the best possible scenario for opening day.

I'll recap the weekend on Monday.

Would anyone else like to share how thier grosses did?
 

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Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 11-05-2005, 02:32 PM:
 
Thanks Stephen.

A note to everyone, there is no need to give actual $ numbers. Just stating it did X% more or less is plenty enough for this discussion and could keep you out of hot water with your employer in the event they don't want actual numbers given out.
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 11-05-2005, 02:51 PM:
 
How's the advertising for the 3D version in the NYC area? It's been very minimal in the SF Bay Area and my editor reports it's almost nonexistent in Las Vegas.
 

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Posted by Dan Lyons (Member # 1454) on 11-05-2005, 02:58 PM:
 
I'm shocked that the 3D version isn't being played at Downtown Disney's AMC. What's the deal with that? The closest places to see the 3D version are Long Beach or Irvine, both a 20 minute drive from the MickeyHouse. weird.
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 11-05-2005, 03:16 PM:
 
But it is playing at Downtown Disney's AMC at Disney World.
 

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Posted by Mark Lensenmayer (Member # 134) on 11-05-2005, 04:51 PM:
 
A special color ad was in the Columbus paper for the 3-D version at the Rave Polaris. It was also specially noted in the Friday ad.

The true test of Chicken Little will be the second week grosses. It will certainly lead this week as it has been very heavily promoted by Disney, and they have one of the best promotion departments around. My high school students were very anxious to go see it.

The important thing will be the word of mouth the comes out of this film. Will people tell their friends that they just HAVE to go see this great, funny movie. That will tell how well it will do in the long term.

My guess is it will be a success, but not the Pixar or Shrek success they want.
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 11-05-2005, 05:16 PM:
 
My editor, Amanda Gardner, teaches high school in Las Vegas. She told her students she was going to see the film in digital 3D and their mouths dropped. None of them even knew the 3D version was showing in Vegas.

She saw the film yesterday at the Regal Colonnade. Her assessment was that the 3D was crisp and sharp, especially in 2K, however the film's story overall wasn't that good. She also stepped in to check out the 35mm version and said it confirmed the 3D really made a difference. However, she would not see the film a second time, even in 3D.

I'm planning to see the film tomorrow at either Metreon or Daly City, but I have a feeling this film will not be in the Polar Express range.

One other thing to keep in mind - the international engagement (except for Mexico) in 3D has yet to happen.
 

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Posted by Mark J. Marshall (Member # 1409) on 11-05-2005, 05:23 PM:
 
No one around here that I've talked to seems to have the slightest idea of the 3D version.
 

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Posted by Amanda Jones (Member # 3326) on 11-05-2005, 07:23 PM:
 
We were busier today than yesterday but no sellouts. With only one show left of 3D and 2 shows left on 35mm the 3d did 300 more on one screen then both screens of the 35mm combined.
 

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Posted by Matt Fields (Member # 3211) on 11-05-2005, 11:47 PM:
 
According to the Rentrak website, the three Columbus/Cincinnati theatres with the Chicken in 3D were the top three Cincinnati branch grossers on Friday night.

Looks like having the Digital 3D helped them, but I don't know if it will be worth the investment. These theatres are usually not the top three grossers in the Cincinnati branch, but the conventional 35 mm theatres are not that far behind.
 

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Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 11-06-2005, 04:33 AM:
 
Which word is it that's attracting the extra people, 'Digital, or '3-D' do we have any figures for venues showing it in digital, but not in 3-D? Can anybody confirm my undertanding that the 3-D version is only available in digital, so there are no figures for how well a 3-D presentation on film would do?

There have been many cases in the past where a small number of cinemas have installed equipment for some process that has only been used briefly before either it is replaced by something better, or it just dies out, maybe it was too expensive, or the public just lost interest. From what I've read, the system does seem to have certain advantages over film-based 3-D systems, but It's simply too early yet to tell whether the installation of the equipment for digital 3-D would be a worthwhile investment. Something to keep an eye on, and see how things develop.

I can't find it now, but on a link I saw somewhere it said that the Odeon Leicester Square would be running it in 3-D, but not opening until February 2006; later than just about anywhere else in the World. Does anyone know if this date is correct, and, if so, why itis opening so late here?
 

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Posted by Thomas Jonsson (Member # 1902) on 11-06-2005, 02:52 PM:
 
It will open February 3 in Sweden. So you´re in good company.
No 3D at all in Sweden, as far as I know.

Thomas
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 11-06-2005, 05:21 PM:
 
From: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051106/ap_on_en_mo/box_office

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The [$40.1 million] debut includes $2.1 million from 84 theaters showing a 3-D version of "Chicken Little."

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BTW, unless I've miscounted, there are 83, not 84, digital 3-D engagements since one of the new installs is in a theater that won't open for another couple of weeks. Plus, those four Mexico engagements appear to be among the 84 (83).

(And what happened to #85? )
 

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Posted by Louis Bornwasser (Member # 3063) on 11-06-2005, 07:45 PM:
 
.....was supposed to be "100." Louis
 

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Posted by Joseph L. Kleiman (Member # 3097) on 11-06-2005, 09:08 PM:
 
84 & 85 would be the two screens at Regal's Union Square Stadium 14 in NYC.

BO estimates for opening weekend: $40.9M overall, with $2.1M from the 3D version. The 3D total is equivalent to what Polar Express earned in 59 IMAX theaters its opening weekend (Fri-Sun. Polar earned $3M its first five days Wed-Sun. It should be noted that around 3 to 4 of the Polar IMAX prints were not 3D).
 

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Posted by Michael Coate (Member # 757) on 11-06-2005, 09:37 PM:
 

quote: Joseph L. Kleiman

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84 & 85 would be the two screens at Regal's Union Square Stadium 14 in NYC.

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Chicken Little, plucked an estimated $40.1 million from about 5,700 screens across 3,654 theaters...Chicken Little marks the first Disney Digital 3D presentation at 79 theaters—accounting for $2.1 million of its opening.

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quote: Paul Linfesty

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I saw TWO beams of light coming from the old projection booth way up high, each from the seperate portals. So what's up with this? Are left and right images being projected from two seperate projectors?

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Although the system used at ShowEast and most installations use one projector, it wouldn't surprise me if some installations used two projectors to get more light on the screen, as poor light efficiency is a current limitation. Maybe Ted Costas or someone at Dolby or RealD could comment?
 

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Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 11-21-2005, 09:25 AM:
 

quote: Wolff King Morrow

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It's merely sync-timed to the machine

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More than three years ago, the two joined forces to create REAL D, with the goal of transforming 3D cinema using digital projection technology. In February, REAL D acquired StereoGraphics Corporation, founded by 3D pioneer Lenny Lipton in 1980 to develop alternating-field 3D video and computer technology that makes use of liquid crystal shuttering 3D glasses. On May 12 of this year, REAL D announced the appointment of Joseph Peixoto, former CEO of UK cinema chain UCI and former president of Canadian circuit Famous Players, to the position of President of Worldwide Cinema. REAL D plans to have over 1000 of their systems installed by next year, the first 100 of which will go online this fall to showcase a digital 3D version of Disney’s upcoming CG feature “Chicken Little.”

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quote: Ron Yost

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two showing the double image 3D

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quote: Joseph L. Kleiman

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I can also confirm that the El Capitan, along with a couple of other larger auditoriums are using two projectors to increase the light output.

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Sorry we had to learn about the need to use two projectors to light larger screens by deduction, rather than as part of the technical information shared with the industry.

Although anyone who was at ShowEast realized the single projector demo was on one of the smaller screens at the Pleasure Island AMC, rather than the two big ones used for the other Digital Cinema and film presentations.
 

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Posted by Paul H. Rayton (Member # 1817) on 11-22-2005, 07:21 PM:
 
I saw the presentation at the El Capitan, about a week ago. The pre-show trailers were also projected from the "upstairs" double-image projectors...with a surprising side effect: At the end of the last trailer, as the curtain was dropping, you could observe errors between the two images in the logos at the bottom of the screen. You could see clearly (we were not yet using the 3D glasses) that there were double images, off registration (white titles on a black background). But only at the very bottom of the screen. And only briefly, as the curtain finished dropping within a few seconds. The rest of the image area seemed to be converged fine, though I'd like to see a test image on there!

In other words, the twin projectors are overlapping each other, and converged as well as they can be ... but that booth is WAY UP THERE, so I imagine the down angle is on the order of 25 degrees. Or more. So, even with sophisticated keystone correction and other optical tricks, the convergence at the bottom of the screen is none too good, at least on 2D images. The projectors are 2K devices, but not Christie, and not Barco.

During "Chicken Little", I tried tipping my head slightly off-level, and the annoying "leak" of light for the "other" eye was almost zero. By tilting my head to a right angle of where it should be, the 3D image still worked but not as well. So, from that standpoint, the circular polarization is very effective.
 

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Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 11-22-2005, 08:05 PM:
 
Can the circular polarization method be used with two-strip 3D film screenings as well, or does it only work with DLP?
 

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Posted by William Hooper (Member # 71) on 11-23-2005, 12:19 AM:
 

quote: Paul H. Rayton

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The pre-show trailers were also projected from the "upstairs" double-image projectors...with a surprising side effect: At the end of the last trailer, as the curtain was dropping, you could observe errors between the two images in the logos at the bottom of the screen.

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quote: Joseph L. Kleiman

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I can also confirm that the El Capitan, along with a couple of other larger auditoriums are using two projectors to increase the light output.

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Which other theatres are running dual system?
 

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Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 11-28-2005, 09:10 AM:
 
Again, what is the largest screen that the single projector system can light properly?
 

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Posted by Paul Linfesty (Member # 214) on 11-28-2005, 10:57 AM:
 

quote: John Pytlak

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what is the largest screen that the single projector system can light properly?

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Good question. The screen at the El Capitan is actually quite small for such a large house (somewhere around 40 feet) and if the image had been thrown from the normal downstairs booth (which is pretty close to the screen)it is definitely in line with what one would find in a normal multiplex.
 

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Posted by John Pytlak (Member # 331) on 11-29-2005, 09:23 AM:
 
Let's rephrase the question: For those who are running "Chicken Little" 3D on a single projector system, what is your image size? What is your screen luminance (footlamberts) when measured through the glasses?
 

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Posted by Paul Konen (Member # 41) on 12-12-2005, 08:52 AM:
 
OK, How many screens have been changed to Chronicles or Narnia, or are you still running Chicken Little 3D?
 

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Posted by David Stambaugh (Member # 1102) on 07-20-2006, 07:55 AM:
 
I guess this is as good a place to post this as any. Cinemark 17 in Springfield is installing the DLP Real D 3D system here for "Monster House". All tickets for the 3D show are priced $1.50 higher than normal. (Thanks to Michael Coate for the tip.)

EDIT: I see Michael already posted info on this in Film-Yak. D'oh!
 

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