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Posted by Mike Moreno (Member # 4887) on 09-02-2009, 12:56 PM:

i was takin a look of 2 diferent digital proyector quote, specificly a christie cp-2000zx and a nec 1600c.
i found some diferences like the lamp size and the screen size wich is not to much (i guess) and i foun that they use a diferent size of DMD 1.2" for christe and 0.98 for nec.
wich one is better?
mike moreno
mexico

Posted by Julio Roberto (Member # 4976) on 09-02-2009, 01:21 PM:

Quality wise, they are pretty much the same.

The larger chip, 1.2", is somewhat more expensive to manufacture and requires larger sized optics, which are usually more expensive. On the other side, it can take larger lamps, as the heat is spreaded over a larger surface.

The 0.98" has the same resolution and general specs, but can use smaller size lenses, which COULD be cheaper, but they also should be of higher quality as the smaller-the-imager-the-higher-the-quality-the-lens-needs-to-be to properly blow up the picture to the screen.

The 0.98" chip main advantage is a lower cost to manufacture, smaller sized lenses, usually smaller size/weight projector, etc. The main dissadvantage: it can't take lamps as large as a (properly done) 1.2" chip-based projector could take.

Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 09-02-2009, 01:23 PM:

We have NEC 1600's with 1.2 chips running 3k bulbs in them. Isn't the Christies the one using the .98 chip size?

Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 09-02-2009, 01:33 PM:

And also the converge on the 1.2 is much easier to align. On the other hand not all manufacturers support full resooution tripple flash for 3D on the 1.2 chip.
Demetris

Posted by Julio Roberto (Member # 4976) on 09-02-2009, 01:40 PM:

All 3 manufacturers have models that use the 1.2" and also models that use the 0.98" chip.

But as Demetris said, some manufacturers are not using the triple-flash electronics on their 1.2" products yet. Christie is using them, so not a factor there.

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 09-02-2009, 01:48 PM:

Monte...the NEC 1600 is a .98" chip...the 1500 was a 1.2" NEC uses the .98" chip on the 1600 only.

Barco uses the .98" chip on all but the DP3000...which is NOT triple flash yet.

Christie uses 1.2" chips on all but the CP2000-M..all current Christies are TripleFlash and all previous models, for a price, can be made triple-flash 3D.

Steve

Posted by Mike Moreno (Member # 4887) on 09-02-2009, 02:24 PM:

both projectors will work fine with any 3D technology?

we are tinking on XPAN-D for our new digital auditorium.

Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 09-02-2009, 02:27 PM:

Choose 1.2 if you will go with X-Pand. You need the added light for sure. What screen size do you have and what is the gain factor?

Posted by Mike Moreno (Member # 4887) on 09-02-2009, 03:10 PM:

the screen size is Height:21.653 ft
width:40.85 ft.
Trow distance: 59.055 ft.
the gain factor i dont really know.

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 09-02-2009, 04:27 PM:

The 1.2" machines are not inherently more light efficient! They can handle larger lamps...that is the difference...In fact, the .98" machines are typically more light efficient one any given lamp size...providing the xenon arc is small enough..

The key here is your screen size...you can't put a big enough lamp in for that one...especially for an Expand-D or Dolby...remember, you are down to 10-27% light throughput when you are in 3D mode (Dolby at the low-end of that, Real-D XL at the upper end). I'd be thinking about 1.2" machines, triple flash and 6K plus lamps and goosing the screen gain if possible and live with the hot-spot.

Posted by Mike Moreno (Member # 4887) on 09-02-2009, 08:52 PM:

thanks all for the answer, you really helpme guys [thumbsup]

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-02-2009, 10:21 PM:

Each chip size has it's place and job however I really dislike the back focus adjustment at least on the Christie M. It's near impossible to set perfectly if some one else throws it way off. Even one of the main Christie tech's couldn't get their demo M projector set properly. I think that part of the problem is the design of the lens mount in which it is posisble for someone not familiar with the touchiness of it to throw it so far out of wack that it's almost going to take special gauges to get it back to ground zero. They need to limit the amount of adjustment available there. I don't know about the DP-3000 but the NEC is far easier to align in this respect. 1.2" chips are easy in all aspects to get set up properly.

As for lenses yes, the smaller .98" lenses should cost less but with all the added motorized aspects of them they end up costing close the the price of 1.2" lensing. Remember, the motorized 1.2" lenses use externally optional mounted motors at least with Christie. Either size lens should perfom as well as the other.

Demetris,

I don't think anyone is using Expand on this side of the globe any longer. Glasses are too unreliable...

Mark

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 09-02-2009, 10:41 PM:

CP2000-M's lens control is just plain frustrating. It is too cumbersome...like their GUI interface or the CDP.

Barco's is notably better on the motorized lens mount front.

I think the key is...I wouldn't by one projector or the other based on chip size. The the requirements of the room dictate the desired projector.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-02-2009, 10:45 PM:

To me so far the NEC-1600 wins hands down for the .98" mid sized battle ship!! It's also much less expensive.

Mark

Posted by Brendan Penny (Member # 5041) on 09-02-2009, 11:23 PM:

Mark,

How much cheaper are we talking with the 1600 compared to the ZX? Say 5k? 10K?

Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 09-03-2009, 03:00 AM:

Thx for the correction, Steve ... gee, that was a bit embarassing...being told wrong info by the installer from STRONG.

(Shows how much STRONG installers knows about their equipment - is what the installer told me that the 1600 uses a 1.2 DMD when we had two units installed - and I believed him .. )

-Monte

Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 09-03-2009, 06:22 AM:

Thx for the correction, Steve ... gee, that was a bit embarassing...was told otherwise . let's try this one..since I try to edit and my time had expired..
-Monte

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-03-2009, 09:02 AM:

No, not near that much Brendan but enough to add up on a multiple install of them. The lens mount on the NEC is also much more user friendly.

Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 09-04-2009, 02:50 AM:

Christie told me that some 1.2" DLP-DCI projectors can do tripleflash, but not at full 2k resolution, because the driver electronics (Efib board) is not fast enough. Hence they use a smaller window of the DLPs when doing 3D-TF. The zoom lens then has to be adjusted to fill the entire screen again, with less resolution and light efficiency, because the light path is constructed to use the full panel. If one is interested in 3D, I would at least rule out this issue - you want full format tripleflash.

Old 1.2" chipsets would do 1628*880 flat/3D-TF and 1920*804 scope/3D-TF. New 1.2" chipsets 1998*1080 flat/3D-TF and 2048*858 cope/3D-TF.

They also claimed that Christie currently is the only 1.2" DCI-DLP manufacturer that can do full-format triple-flash. I understood that all 0.98" projectors can do full-format triple flash, though.

- Carsten

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 09-04-2009, 03:49 AM:

Carsten...yes...1.2" EFIB based projectors can do triple flash 3D but as you say, not at full-resolution. Note too, sometimes you can't merely zoom the lens but you have to change it to get the extra magnfication. This has you loose resolution (fewer pixels) and ALSO loose light since you are effectively closing down an aperture in the imager. Exactly the opposite of what 3D needs!

To the best of my knowledge, Christie is the only manufacturer, CURRENTLY, offering FFIB boards on their 1.2" projectors to do full-frame triple-flash. They also have an upgrade path for existing machines...though it isn't cheap...AND it will need to be upgraded again when the FIPS level 2 thing comes out later this year.

Steve

Posted by Pietro Clarici (Member # 4937) on 09-04-2009, 05:31 AM:

The new NEC NC2500S-A can do full-frame triple flash, and the existing model can be upgraded as well. They'll be doing the upgrade on mine in a few weeks.

Posted by Julio Roberto (Member # 4976) on 09-04-2009, 06:12 AM:

Of course, when we were referring to some projectors currently not offering triple-flash on 1.2" models ... we meant "full resolution" triple-flash ...

Posted by Stephen Furley (Member # 1277) on 09-04-2009, 07:36 AM:

What size would have been in the NEC NC-800 which I used to operate?

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 09-04-2009, 12:06 PM:

1.2"

Posted by Peter Castle (Member # 1997) on 09-11-2009, 06:59 AM:

We have a similar decision between an NEC1600 and a Christie 2000-ZX, but the price difference is the other way (Christie less than NEC).

What is the significance of the lens situation?
It seems each have lens focus/zoom/position presets for different inputs - is there one which is faster to change?

We also are looking at Xpand 3D.

Posted by Brendan Penny (Member # 5041) on 09-11-2009, 11:28 AM:

You already wasted a boat load of money on that stupid panasonic 1080 thing so why not compliment your past decisions by adding xpand. The shittest 3D system out of all shit 3D systems. If you buy NEC in Australia good luck getting support a few years down the track when the self proclaimed savior of independent cinemas goes bust....again.

I am constantly amazed by you stupid ass exhibitors. You just pick the cheapest shit everytime. Has nothing to do with quality, engineering, reliability. Just initial cost.

Nobody wants to watch shit in 3D so just get over it already. 2k is shit. Digital is shit. Digital vs Shit projectionists is good.

Posted by Steve Guttag (Member # 268) on 09-11-2009, 11:46 AM:

Wow...I can see very little good coming from the above statement.

Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 09-11-2009, 03:39 PM:

Brendan your think that your sarcascim makes you funny. It doesn't. Get over it.

Posted by Cameron Glendinning (Member # 3516) on 09-11-2009, 03:51 PM:

Brendan, Peter works at a university, they have a very different AV buget to a cinema. I think you may even find that they have a sony 4k in one of their lecture halls. So he is not a commercial cinema exibitor ok.

Posted by Peter Castle (Member # 1997) on 09-11-2009, 04:06 PM:

Not quite, Cameron.
We have a Sony 2K in one of our small lecture rooms - very good.

As for our Panasonic it has been a great projector for e-cinema on our 40' screen, and at least it may have a resale value (where our previous Sony and JVC projectors are still sitting on the floor of our projection rooms).

We are definitely in a different financial situation from commercial cinemas. We don't expect ever to see a VPF. Our income is ploughed right back into facilities and if the current trend is to digital cinema we might as well be there. We beat local cinemas to digital sound (we have all three systems) so we'd like to keep on top of things.

As for Xpand, we see little chance of installing any other system as the up-front cost is too high. Yes, the glasses are expensive but they can be purchased in phases.

All I was seeking was informed opinions regarding the lens adjustment systems of the two alternatives: Nec1600 and Christie CP2000-ZX.

Posted by Phil Blake (Member # 2012) on 09-11-2009, 07:25 PM:

quote:
the screen size is Height:21.653 ft
width:40.85 ft.
Trow distance: 59.055 ft.
the gain factor i dont really know.

Mike we are running very similar screen and throw to this in our main auditorium, our new NEC1600 with 4k lamp and reald d works very well , infact we have a bit to much light so we backed off the lamp.

The only point I can fault with the NEC is the lens change is slow , when going from w/s trailer to c/s feature it takes a bit to long for the macros to change the lens.

where possible i try to line up ratios for feature and trailers. but we still have a change from w/s preshow material to the main presentation.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-11-2009, 09:02 PM:

Peter,

Now is NOT the time to buy d-cinema anything! At least wait till the generation 2 electronics based machines are out later this fall. They are 2K/4K compatable meaning that you can purchase the 2K projector and then later on go to 4K just by swapping out the engine block if you desire. 2nd Generation will also accept the media block systems. Once 4K DLP emerges Christie has told me to watch for a good price drop in 2K units. The 2.nd Gen units will be far more obsolete proof as well.

Mark

Posted by Mike Moreno (Member # 4887) on 09-11-2009, 09:55 PM:

Phill
thanks for the info, i hope maybe fon november we finally get the new digital projector.

mark

do you know if the new release of the nex generation projectors is going to be this year?

mike moreno

Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 09-12-2009, 02:50 AM:

As far as lens it depends Peter. If you are using a common width screen so in both flat and scope you have a fixed width with variable sides, you can get away with even a fixed lens and not need motorised. It depends of course but it takes more or less 15 second to make the whole transition (considering how big your screen is) if you are using a lens change. Note that masking is done digitaly and has nothing to do with the lens. The lens only handles focus, zoom and shifting if available. You could also conider the Barco range and there is nothing wrong with X-Pand for your application. X-Pand is impressive and their glasses look more sleek than anyone elses for that part. You can get away with a white screen. Of course a perhaps better alternative would be the Dolby system. Note that you will need at least double the lamp power needed for your 2D vs 3D applications. What are your screen size? Sorry but I have not seen your previous posts. As far as waiting for the 2K/4K 2nd generation, if you wait for that then when that is released something else will be on the line and you will be adviced to wait and wait and the wait will be forever. Sorry but I strongly believe that D-Cinema equipment is obsolete the day you buy it no matter what you buy because electronics advace day by day. It's not like 35mm which will stay for a lot long time still to come. Now choosing the projector suitable for you, it depends. What space you have available and what are your needs? Both Dolby and X-Pand are compatible with almost all D-Cinema servers out there.
Demetris

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-12-2009, 03:14 AM:

MIke,
Yes, late this year for Christie so not too long a wait...

Mark

Posted by Peter Castle (Member # 1997) on 09-12-2009, 07:42 AM:

Demetris,
Our screen is constant height, so 40 ft is our widescreen width (actually its probably about 16 x 9 at that width). So we will need to change lens zoom and focus to switch from widescreen to scope. We have plenty of space in our booth. The DCI projector will be dead centre both horizontally and vertically (our two 35mm projectors were equidistant to either side). Screen is 1.8 gain (I think).
Servers being suggested are Qube, GDC and Doremi. Quote for Dolby was too high.

Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 09-12-2009, 07:50 AM:

I have seen the Doremi server and a lot people seem to favour it. The interface is a bit sluggish though. Using a screen gain of 1.8 will have no problem with the X-Pand system although I think you need a bulb of 6.5 or something like that.
Demetris

Posted by Brendan Penny (Member # 5041) on 09-14-2009, 04:11 AM:

quote: Demetris Thoupis
Brendan your think that your sarcascim makes you funny. It doesn't. Get over it.

Demtrious, I wasn't being sarcastic, I'm being dead serious. (Don't worry, I'll be sure to let you know when I'm playing around...)

Do you even know how much Panasonic are flogging those DW10000? More than most 2k projectors. (even two years ago)

And yes, I know Peter is at a university. That's what pisses me off. Probably my tax dollars hard at work for another unnecessary toy.

No no no. You made your decision on that DW10000 piece of crap so you can stick with it for a few more years. Unless you fund it yourself. You want to do cost effective 3D modeling for the kids? Have a look at a company called 'Inition' who specialize in the stuff and have an office in Australia.

I also like how you mention the Dolby server is too expensive.. Oh yes Mr Exhibitor, its all about price so go buy a Qube piece of [bs]

cause its cheap. If you are going to waste tax dollars than at least buy something decent. (BTW the Dolby server isn't that expensive but your mates over at Edge have an agreement to sell lots and lots of Doremi. They won't not sell you a Dolby but sure as hell price them out of it)

And Demetrious, STILL waiting on my Kinoton DCP pics to show off that superb German engineering. No one can re-badge a Barco quite like the Germans so I'm told...And the way they moved the communicator panel to the rear of the projector instead of the side. Wow! Amazing...

Getting back onto topic, can the Kinoton DCP do full res triple flash on a 1.2 or is it really just a Barco in a beige box??

Posted by Monte L Fullmer (Member # 2797) on 09-14-2009, 04:29 AM:

GDC servers are a very good servers for their price. No complaints about them on this end.

Posted by Peter Castle (Member # 1997) on 09-14-2009, 05:23 AM:

OK Brendan, enough is enough.
Our cinema is funded entirely from admissions - at one screening per week. All staff are volunteers. So none of your glorious tax money is being spent here. All our equipment purchases have no university funds in them.

Be that as it may we still have to be conservative with what we purchase. Price just means we can buy now instead of waiting and waiting.

When we purchased the DW10000, there were no DCI projectors anywhere near the same price. I accept that the value of any video equipment drops in price as soon as you install them, but you can't just wait until you have the money.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-14-2009, 08:54 AM:

I'd highly reccomend you take a look at GDC and Doremi. Doremi has been extremely reliable and it seems they have gotten rid of all the problems they had in past years. They are also a very good company to deal with. GDC is as well and either server will accept 1TB drives! Qube is Windows based and uses XP Imbeded... Support for XP ends in 2012 so after that I'm not sure what Qube will do.... perhpas there will be Windows 7 Imbeded or something similar. All of the people I know using Qubes like them however.

Mark

Posted by Brendan Penny (Member # 5041) on 09-14-2009, 09:24 AM:

quote: Peter Castle
Our cinema is funded entirely from admissions - at one screening per week. All staff are volunteers. So none of your glorious tax money is being spent here. All our equipment purchases have no university funds in them.

You can afford to buy an 80k Panasonic and the another 80k Christie in the space of 2 years by running one screening per week??? Conservative purchasing you say??

Here is the million dollar question. For one screening per week you absolutely must go out and get a D cinema setup today? Right this minute? Can't wait a day, a month, a year? Don't tell me you have fallen victim to the 'you won't get product' propaganda that a certain dealer is throwing around to scare little old independents into buying gear??

Oh and just to clarify before 'Mr Kinoton' comes in to shoot me down. I don't have any problem with any of the servers out there at the moment (apart from GDC's GUI looking like a Apple 2e program I built when I was a kid) but I think you need to carefully consider them all regardless of price. Few extra $$ may get you a few extra pretty colors on the GUI!

But all this doesn't really matter anyway does it? The majority of cinemas will be dust in a matter of 10 years now that you are all giving us exactly what we can get at home. Now you have NO point of difference. All this crap is just another way for the studios to reach their ultimate goal... Day and Date baby...

Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 09-14-2009, 09:29 AM:

Peter I send you a pm. Brendan you are just not worth dealing with.
Demetris

Posted by Tristan Lane (Member # 1169) on 09-16-2009, 05:51 PM:

Gentlemen, Let's get back on topic. I was enjoying the discussion.

Posted by James B Gardiner (Member # 5151) on 09-17-2009, 12:55 AM:

Mark,
The issue of XPe support, be it 2012 or much later (Which I believe it is) is no problem. Like all DCI players, the system they built it on the day they started is the system it will stay on for the life of the product. Remember it is tested and made sure to work, be reliable and secure. Any upgrades, be in XPe or a Linux type would require re-certification in some way.

For example, there is a BUG with the Linux based DCI players and Inode-table sizes. Makes some DCP drives not work.

Microsoft will be selling XPe it a VERY long time to come. Especially for the Banks machines, Petrol Pumps and millions of other embedded systems using ti around the world.

Please do not muddy this issue with FUD like this.

Also, "Brendan Penny" or should I say "Nick Perry", keep it up and get banned again under your fake name..

Posted by Brendan Penny (Member # 5041) on 09-17-2009, 02:00 AM:

quote: James B Gardiner
Also, "Brendan Penny" or should I say "Nick Perry", keep it up and get banned again under your fake name..

Actually no James, I do some sub-contracting work for Nick Perry and his company every now and again. What I post on this website is my opinion (more from a movie fan perspective might I add).

You are just upset with my opinion for two reasons:

1) I think Digital is a step backwards from film. This is a threat to you because you are a seller of digital systems. Heaven forbid that I advise any of your perspective clients to stay with film for as long as they can. I'm sorry. I like film. The day I can't get it is the day I stop going to the cinema.
Get over it. It's my opinion and it's not going to change.

2) I constantly warn people to stay away from Xpand beacuse I believe it is a big pile of [bs]

As an exclusive Xpand dealer I can see how this could be bad for you and this is why you come to the aid of Peter....A perspective $.

I will fix this for you.

I hereby recommend Qube Servers, NEC projectors and Xpand 3D. It is the best equipment money can buy.

That pretty much sums up your dealership doesn't it? Happy?

Posted by Stephen Jones (Member # 16) on 09-17-2009, 05:24 AM:

We at this stage dont have 3D Digital but I belive its on its way very soon.The interesting thing is that the local Village Cinema has it and so far we still out do them at the box office with 35mm version of Digital 3D films,actually patrons ask if its in 3D or not and when told its 2D they all say thank heavens as they Do not like 3D Digital so is all this Digital 3D and its high price tag really neaded, I am starting to thinK that it isn't.Digital will only be cost effective when cinemas in Australia start to show everything in that format.I cant see the point of having a few Digital projectors and a few 35mm projectors in a complex as far as I am concerned its either all Digital or nothing.35mm will be here for some time yet.
Hey Brenndan I didnt Know you were also Nick, so who is the other guy that comes down to my site then?Catch up with you soon Buddy [thumbsup]

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-17-2009, 08:40 AM:

quote: James B Gardiner
Microsoft will be selling XPe it a VERY long time to come

I'll bet you a hundred bucks they don't sell it for a very long time... It's simply not how Microsoft operates nor wold D-Cinema matter to them in the least, they need to gnerate $$ flow to survive so they traditionally discontinue support for the old when the new arrives. You can bet they'll have Windows 7e or something similar available within a year after the release of the standard versions... It would also offer many advantages such as better SSD interface and even more stability that XP ever had. Sorry James but they don't sit still up there in Redmond WA.!!

Mark

Posted by Phil Blake (Member # 2012) on 09-17-2009, 08:48 AM:

quote: Brendan Penny
1) I think Digital is a step backwards from film.

Well I don't sell the stuff just operate it. Digital in my eyes is a step forward , it is in its early days maybe the machines are not as robust and reliable as mechanical projectors but given time i am sure they will be.
I think a lot of people just don't like change. Some reckoned the horse was still better than the car , well don't see a lot riding horses on the roads these days.

I started with reel to reel with carbons and slowly migrated to platters xenons and automation. I now find with my health issues Digital is still allowing me to continue my passion in this industry without the physical input needed with film.carting boxes of film upstairs can now be difficult for me.
and i do believe one can still put passion into digital shows with careful programming and presentation that can be achieved by a laptop.

Our recent digital installation is giving good results the image is very good and now i have automated it, the ease of operation is quite simple. I think in time many 35mm film projectors will be finding good homes in museums, next to the horse and cart.

Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 09-17-2009, 10:56 AM:

Nothing that an upgrade can't fix Mark. If you managed to integrate that MI system on an 'ancient' Barco, and if Doremi will be still in business (which shows they will) I doubt they will leave that thing go pass so perhaps they will intergrate a newer OS or a different OS in their existing machine. Although I am not sure how that affects DCI compliance although no one even knows when production companies will start actually requesting full DCI. Remember the DTS6D which used a 486 processor? It was still supported until this year which is not a bad going almost 20 years after.
Demetris

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-17-2009, 12:01 PM:

I completely agree Demetris!! It'll just involve loading in a new OS for the server. You would think that what ever Windows does come out with to replace XPe that it'll be machine to machine compatable or just require some small upgrade to work out.

quote: Phil Blake
the machines are not as robust and reliable as mechanical projectors

I disagree. All the gear I've worked with is extremely reliable. Not that some of the projectors still don't have a bug or two in them... doesn't affect the reliability or the on screen performance...

Mark

Posted by James B Gardiner (Member # 5151) on 09-17-2009, 06:58 PM:

Mark,
I don't like doing this, but I feel compelled.
The published support lifetime for XPe is until:
XP Embedded has a Life Cycled to 2017, Standard Embedded (the newly released Embedded OS that would run the Qube environment) is Life Cycled till 2024, etc

Rather than sprout opinion, research the facts;
http://www.xppro2016.com/lifecycle

Like I said Mark, please do not spread FUD. It is for this reason, the use of FUD in the industry, that I started the www.cinetechgeek.com website.
Cinema owners need to make decisions based on good and true information.
--
Brendon (or Nick on as Brendon), I make comment on your posts as they are derogitory, "This is shit, that is crap". Film-tech is a community website in which those in the cinema industry can discuss their industry. If you want to put forward an opinion about a product, state your opinion and some reasons why. Add to the sites knowledge.

If you worked for any of the companies I am a part owner in, I would severely reprimand you for how you behave. If you kept it up, you would be fired. In my companies we put a very honest foot forward and are willing to discuss any aspects of the technology in question. They all have qualities that make them more applicable for certain purposes. We would not recommend a product that is not suited for the purpose.

We believe to be honest with your exhibition clients is best. We may loose a job now and then to the, sell it at all costs type supplier, but we can sleep at night, and are likely to be here in the long term.

James

Posted by Mike Babb (Member # 1379) on 09-17-2009, 07:26 PM:

FUD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_urination_device

Posted by Brendan Penny (Member # 5041) on 09-17-2009, 09:08 PM:

quote: Phil Blake
Digital is still allowing me to continue my passion in this industry

That's great Phil. This may be true for you if you have a medical condition as you explained. However, when sites start to do full digital conversions there is going to be another object stuck between the 35mm projector and horse & cart at the museum. It's called a projectionist. I don't think Digital is going to be the answer for any budding career projectionist! The passion will end for most.

quote: James B Gardiner
Brendon (or Nick on as Brendon), I make comment on your posts as they are derogitory, "This is shit, that is crap". Film-tech is a community website in which those in the cinema industry can discuss their industry. If you want to put forward an opinion about a product, state your opinion and some reasons why. Add to the sites knowledge.

Janes, that's completely unfair. So I should refer to you as James Gardiner AKA Martin Gardiner AKA Mike Smith??? www.d-cine.net Course not. You are entitled to your opinion as am I. As for my credentials, I have worked as a projectionist for over 10 years. I have actually worked IN the exhibition industry. You come across as a bit of a tourist who may know a bit about the relevance of an outdated operating system but that's about it. I'm not challenging the relevance of XPe cause I know nothing about it. Maybe you should take a same approach as to the entire exhibition industry??

I actually find your cinetechgeek website to be full of 'Female Urination Devices' because on most of your topics you seem to have very little knowledge on what you are talking about. Like the RealD XL video. You introduce yourself as the installer but then admit you don't even really know how it works. That's not educational my friend, that's scary.. (By the way, not a good idea to stack all you amps and sound processor under the projector without even 1 RU of rack space ventilation. Those Panastereo's tend to run a little hot my friend. I'll give you 8 to 12 months before you do your first power supply of sub excavator card.) Not that you need my advice. You clearly know everything.

The reason I don't get 'fired' as you put it is because this is my opinion and has nothing to do with any of the companies that I work for. You know, the Nazi's believed in censorship too. So everyone at your workplace can't have an opinion is that what you are saying? If one of your employees didn't like Xpand that would be game over for them?? Sounds like an awesome working environment you have there.

Just so it's absolutely clear in you head. (I have already given my reasons why I think Xpand is crap in other posts.) I found it incredibly dull, the glasses were uncomfortable/expensive/batteries. It gave me a headache after 15 minutes. It is my opinion. All the other 3D systems I don't have a problem with. I just didn't like this one. Get over it.

[fu]

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-17-2009, 09:25 PM:

Like I said james... I'll bet $100.00 on it!! What you're more likely to see is the Qube server completely disappear in the next year or two in favor of some Qube Media Block for the Generation 2 projectors. So sell what stuff today you want to because it'll be obsolete in a short time ayway. The actual truth is that now is the best time not to be selling any D-Cinema gear at all. Wait and see what is implemented with Gen. 2 before your customers finance to the hilt or spend their lifes savings.

Mark

Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 09-18-2009, 06:51 AM:

Some updates I've found out today. Barco is working on a full tripple flash 1.2 unit which will be out probably early 2010. The unit will probably have an interchangable engine to accomodate a 4K modification in the future.

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-20-2009, 02:44 PM:

Demetris... We seem to have lost James... for what ever reason...

Posted by Peter Castle (Member # 1997) on 09-22-2009, 01:32 AM:

Can someone point me towards details about the "generation 2" DCI projectors? All I can find is a mention on Christie's site, when talking about their next 2K/4K projectors that they can contain an "optional" media block and using one board instead of 3 for image generation. TI's site and dlp.com mention nothing, while everywhere else indicates the current projectors are second generation (the first being 1.3K).

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-22-2009, 08:51 AM:

Just call Christie and ask them. They'll fill you in. Or just wait till Show West and attend it. Manufacturers are scurring to get them ready.

Mark

Posted by Demetris Thoupis (Member # 833) on 09-22-2009, 09:50 AM:

James? Are you lost?

Posted by James B Gardiner (Member # 5151) on 09-24-2009, 08:14 AM:

No am an not lost. I am BUSY.
I don't have the spare time to spend it on here to much.

I am in the middle of writing a lot of code for a project. Doing product design. Examining the changes coming..

Mark,
Maybe I don't disagree with a lot of what your saying, but, in general, I do disagree with comments that are misleading or false..
Many things you do mention I don't disagree with but I cannot comment. I have NDA's with MANY companies and as such, am not free to talk about a lot of the stuff. (Yet. But will when I can...)

James

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-24-2009, 08:29 AM:

James,

I post no false sattements. I do speculate from time to time but 99% of the time my statements are based on my experience with said equipment.

Mark

Posted by Brendan Penny (Member # 5041) on 09-25-2009, 08:56 AM:

I speculate about 99% of the time....Just so you know [Razz]

Posted by Geena Phillips (Member # 3726) on 09-29-2009, 09:40 PM:

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
What you're more likely to see is the Qube server completely disappear in the next year or two in favor of some Qube Media Block for the Generation 2 projectors.

On what do you base this, Mark?

Posted by Brad Miller (Member # 2) on 09-29-2009, 10:23 PM:

Brendan, you are entitled to your opinion, but I would like to please request that you dial the anger down a notch. Its not like we are talking about screaming babies on airplanes. [Razz]

Posted by Mark Gulbrandsen (Member # 72) on 09-30-2009, 12:22 PM:

quote: Geena Phillips
On what do you base this, Mark?

Media block should get the costs down even more as it greatly simplifys things. As should the Gen. 2 projectors. There will be just one circuit board in Gen 2 machines. Contrary to one F-T person's supposed inside knowledge of what goes on at TI.... they have not been sleeping at all on D-Cinema.

Mark