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Posted by Hordur Valgardsson (Member # 5482) on 03-30-2010, 07:06 AM:
 
Hi all
i am wondering about if there is any software that is affordable that would convert various video and audio sources to DCP´s ?
Right now we have a dolby SCC2k machine that i´ve been using to convert movies and various materials to dcp´s for our local market, and i´ve created a website offering our services at http://dcinema.samfilm.is/
and for that i created strict delivery guidelines for quality control and since the dolby software only takes image sequences and converts them to jpeg2k.

but sometimes i just want a quick and easy way to convert some advertising or other material into DCP´s
for example if i recive a hi-def advertising @25fps in .mov and wanted to convert it to flat DCP format i would have to export it out as a .tiff sequence 1998x1080, slow the audio down to 24fps encode those .tiff frames to jpeg2k and attatch the audio, subtitles and jpeg2k frames to a playlist for the final playable DCP.

I think qube had some solution but that was abit to expensive when i looked into it, basically i want a program that accepts most common video formats and allows me to resize to scope or flat 4k or 2k and then the program would handle all the other stuff that i now have to do manually with the scc2k machine.

any ideas ?
 

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Posted by David Zylstra (Member # 4230) on 03-30-2010, 01:17 PM:
 
DoReMi CineAsset software works - at one of our locations we encode our own ads. We start with a .mov file and go directly to DCP - the software will pad and/or scale the image to your specs.

The software keeps the native frame rate so a potential gotcha is some TMSs won't accept certain frame rates - you have to produce the .mov in the desired end frame rate.
 

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Posted by Geena Phillips (Member # 3726) on 04-06-2010, 03:27 PM:
 
David, are the resulting files J2K-compliant?

BTW, where do you work?
 

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Posted by David Zylstra (Member # 4230) on 04-06-2010, 09:44 PM:
 
the conversion is to JP2K on the picture side, so far we have had to use the interop option as there are a few issues with using the SMPTE option and our Cinedigm LMS (of course wide SMPTE implementation is at least a year off so the option may not be complete). Pretty much any output can be used directly on the DoReMi - it is the LMS that rejects content based on items like the timecode offset not having a 2 digit hour (the workaround is to encode in the HI time zone).

I work in MI for a small exhibitor (56 screens) - our claims to fame are full cocktail bars and being the first to sign up to be 100% digital. Novi is where are main location is.
 

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Posted by Mike Moreno (Member # 4887) on 04-09-2010, 04:07 PM:
 
did you guys try with QUBE MASTER EXPRESS?

mike moreno
mexico
 

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Posted by Hordur Valgardsson (Member # 5482) on 04-09-2010, 05:15 PM:
 
Hi and thanks for the suggestion, i have now tested demos of both the qube and doremi programs and both work well imo, and do what they say they do.

perfect solution for simple fast dcp creation, i am however abit turned off by the prizing, 3500eur is the prize of both solutions.
perhaps eventually freeware solutions such as http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html will offer this kind of conversion capability.
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 04-15-2010, 03:19 PM:
 
We have set up a free toolchain to create DCPs. It uses opensource software.

It centers around a tool that converts image sequences to J2K images series and packs them into MXF, together with Audio. The first intention was to make an easy tool availabe for DCI operators to create simple slide like DCPs for breaks, announcements, etc. It still has that function (create DCP from single image), but if you add free video conversion software, you can also feed various digital video formats to it. It might take some time to set up a smart workflow if you want to convert full length motion content regularly, and you need quite some disc space for the intermediate tiff sequences. Might not be as slick as the full blown DCP packages, but it works and it is free. Runs on Windows.

Docs and forum discussion only in german - but it has pictures ;-) The base app is very easy to use. It get's more complicated if you want to feed video to it from external programs. So this is not really what Hordur was requesting, but it still might be useful to a few people who can not spend thousands on a full-fledged DCP suite.

http://www.terminal-entry.de/misc/dcp-tools.rar
http://www.terminal-entry.de/misc/DCPC-Manual.pdf
http://forum.filmvorfuehrer.de/viewtopic.php?t=13856

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Anders Nordentoft-Madsen (Member # 3334) on 04-16-2010, 10:41 AM:
 
This is great, have been looking for something like this for a while. Now, though I had german in 7th and 8th grade, I remember almost nothing, an english translation would be greath, even just a google one would help...
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 04-16-2010, 12:18 PM:
 
If you get over the installation, the base app is very simple, it only has a few checkboxes to set and files to choose. Once you have this running. you can use whatever videosoftware as a frontend. You only need a way to export frame sequences.

I suggest you install it and try to create a still-image DCP first. Then go from there.
Of course you need to have an EXT3 filesystem driver to format drives, or a DCI server that supports FAT32/NTFS through USB media.

I might do a translation, I'll contact the programmer about it.

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Anders Nordentoft-Madsen (Member # 3334) on 04-16-2010, 12:51 PM:
 
I think I have it figured out. Tried to make a still image DCP, but the color space must be wrong. The red was green .... I sadly don't have a server yet, but I get my first DCI installation in a few months. Tried it out in the easyDCP player software

EDIT: unchecked the sRGB -> XYZ tap in the setup, that fixed the colorspace...
 

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Posted by Anders Nordentoft-Madsen (Member # 3334) on 04-16-2010, 03:35 PM:
 
Okay, so now i'm trying my luck with a 30 policy trailer, I prepared the video and audio, and got DCPC to start creating, but is taking a very long time. I admit, it's not the fastest computer in the world(P4 3ghz 2,5GB Ram), but it just seems to be frozen, using about 50% CPU + the output directory is not growing in size. How long should it usually take?

EDIT: after trying some times it seem, I sometimes get a glimpse of a DOS window in the background saying something in the way of "unknown file type not asdcp compatible" but it closes up instantly.
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 04-17-2010, 03:28 PM:
 
If this trailer is a video file, it doesn't work. DCPC only works on single images or image sequences. If you want to feed video to it, you have to use one of the programs mentioned/shown in the manual to first create image (TIFF) sequences from it, rescale to DCI resolution, extract + conform audio, etc. prior to encoding the DCP. The only 'easy' direct operation DCPC allows is to create a still image DCP of variable length with or without audio.

You have to conform image size and audio type to DCI specs yourself - the only thing DCDPC does for you is the optional color conversion - you always need it if you play your content on a DCI server and your source material stems from normal computer sources.

It looks wrong on the PC with the free Fraunhofer Player because the PC doesn't use XYZ colourspace (only the full DCP player supports on-the-fly color conversion). So, if the DCP looks wrong on your PC - it looks okay on the DCI-projection system, and vice versa.

As I said - Video->DCP is not point and shoot with this tool. But frankly, video-to-DCP conversion needs so many adjustments and considerations depending on your source material that you have to make up your mind about these issues profoundly anyway. But we have only started.

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Anders Nordentoft-Madsen (Member # 3334) on 04-19-2010, 03:57 AM:
 
I got i working, I had put my .wav file with the bmp frames.. However no sound on the resulting DCP.. I wanted to try again on a faster computer, but im having problems getteing dcpc to run on the other computer. after I start the encoding asdcp-test.exe fails with the message that LIBEAY32.dll is not a valid windows image. Dot net 3.5 is installede.
 

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Posted by Anders Nordentoft-Madsen (Member # 3334) on 04-20-2010, 01:03 PM:
 
..and what about windows 7, it doesn't seem to work here ether.
 

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Posted by Anders Nordentoft-Madsen (Member # 3334) on 04-20-2010, 03:37 PM:
 
Never mind, with the new version (1.3.5.0) it's works fine
 

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Posted by Chase Taylor (Member # 778) on 04-28-2010, 01:44 PM:
 
Does anyone have any experience with "easyDCP Creator"?
 

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Posted by Peter Castle (Member # 1997) on 04-28-2010, 10:42 PM:
 
I've tried "EasyDCP" trial version. It worked well, but the cost is extreme.

I've also generated DCPs from the public domain software "opecinematools" (both 2D and 3D) but silent. Works great (and costs nothing).
 

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Posted by Chase Taylor (Member # 778) on 04-29-2010, 10:08 AM:
 
I guess I have not tried hard enough with Open Cinema Tools, is there any instructions that someone has typed out?
 

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Posted by Jussi Siponen (Member # 5572) on 04-29-2010, 12:11 PM:
 
See my post on ImageMagick forums for instructions.

Tools used:
- Open Cinema Tools
- ImageMagick
- Ffmpeg
- Audacity
- sed (Windows version) (* optional, see note)

(* note)
If your server can ingest SMPTE assets, then you don't need to patch the Volindex, assetmap, CPL and PKL files (at the time I documented the workflow, our DSS100 could not ingest SMPTE assets).

To better understand what is going on, see Wolfgang Woehl's Wiki
 

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Posted by Peter Castle (Member # 1997) on 04-29-2010, 11:48 PM:
 
I followed this set of instructions somewhat:
Making a DCP entirely with open source tools
However I used the GUI version once I'd created the jpeg2000 images.
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 04-30-2010, 02:22 AM:
 
DCPC is based on open cinema tools. If you're running on windows, I'd suggest you start with it to get some quick results. Maybe later you will feel more comfortable with the commandline way of doing things.

The problem really is that it's quite easy to make a DCP from a still image - but if you convert video, it usually has NTSC or PAL timebases, interlacing, etc., and then you really need some good understanding about what happens when you try to convert this to 24fps for cinema.

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Kris Verhanneman (Member # 5562) on 04-30-2010, 04:53 AM:
 
Carsten, is there a way that you post a translation of the german manual of the dcpc software.

My german is quit rusty (highschool is way back ...).

Thanks.
Kris
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 04-30-2010, 07:03 AM:
 
I'm about to redo the whole manual, and I will probably also make an english version then. The programmer also told me he would make an english language version of the DCPC application. Not much language in there anyway.

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Knut Erik Evensen (Member # 4379) on 05-20-2010, 04:12 PM:
 
With the new beta Fraunhofer Easydcp Creator software you can make 25/30 FPS SMPTE DCPs. I've tested a 25 fps DCP and it works on the Doremi DCP-2000 server.

You still have to have sound files and a image sequence, but more framerates make the conversion easier.

Made a descripton on how to make these with Apple Color and Apple Soundtrack pro here

With shorts screenings at film festivals the 25 fps SMPTE option will make it easier to ask filmmakers for a 25 image sequence and sound files and convert them to DCPs.

The new version also have an option to bypass the color space/gamma transform so a image sequence graded for digital cinema can be used.

The price tag on Easydcp Creator is 2000 euro but if you make some DCPs the faster jpeg2000 encoder and more framerates will be worth it.
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 07-19-2010, 07:54 PM:
 
Hmm, 25 and 30fps DCP is indeed quite interesting for festivals, ads and the like.

Do we know which projection systems will actually show these files without prior adjustments, possibly in a mixed 24/25/30fps playlist?

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Sebastian Binz (Member # 4567) on 07-21-2010, 12:04 PM:
 
Hi there,
I translated the manual to the software posted earlier by Carsten. It is available at http://cinema.terminal-entry.de/downloads/DCPC_manual_EN.pdf

Hoever, I did notice that the manual on the server is a bit outdated. In the meantime the tool also supports 4K output, DCP wrapping (creating a new DCP from existing audio+video MXF in the case of faulty meta data or to change the name), the use of encryption for KDM creation, and the creation of MPEG2 MXF Interop DCPs from MPEG2 PES for E-cinema servers. Also the developer added a function called "recovery start" for resuming the DCP creation in case the process was aborted for some reason.

The tool can be found at http://cinema.terminal-entry.de

In the list of downloads you will want to download the first and fourth item (one is the actual DCPC tool, the fourth a package of tools necessary for it to run). The last item is actually a demo DCP used to check the channel seperation of your 3D installation. It features a test picture on the left eye and black for the right eye.

Cheers,
Sebastian
 

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Posted by Knut Erik Evensen (Member # 4379) on 07-28-2010, 05:18 PM:
 
Carsten. I´ve tested 25 and 30 fps SMPTE DCPs on the Doremi. AFAIK the Sony and Dolby servers will not play these DCPs. I´m not sure how big bitrate the Doremi servers can handle so I used a bitrate of 200 mbit/sec instead of 250 mbit/sec in Fraunhofer Easydcp when making the 30 fps SMPTE DCP.
 

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Posted by Knut Erik Evensen (Member # 4379) on 07-29-2010, 07:05 PM:
 
Found out that Easydcp Creator will adjust the bitrate automatically for 25 and 30 fps SMPTE DCPs so adjusting the bitrate manually was not necessary. I´ve posted binaries of opencinematools and Asdcplib for Mac OS X Snow leopoard on my web page that supports 25 and 30 fps. There is also binaries for openjpeg 2.0 from SVN but it supports only 24 and 48 fps. Perhaps if one would make a 30 fps SMPTE DCP with the openjpeg jpeg2000 encoder the 48 fps setting would be safer than the 24 fps setting.
http://www.knuterikevensen.com/?p=125

A free trial of Easydcp Creator can also be used to make 25 and 30 fps DCPs if you want to check if your server supports them.

If you send me a message I can send you a link to a test 30 fps SMPTE DCP.
 

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Posted by Knut Erik Evensen (Member # 4379) on 09-10-2010, 08:31 AM:
 
I've tested DCPC. It is in english now and can also be used to fix an unencrypted DCP with broken metadata. If you have the MXF sound and video files it can make the rest of the metadata files. It does not yet support multiple framerates, but support is coming. I got it to work with a small fix on the sound files. I've documented my small test here:

http://www.knuterikevensen.com/?p=197
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 09-10-2010, 11:20 AM:
 
There is also another DCP Player (of course, only unencrypted DCPs):

http://www.3dtv.at/Index_en.aspx

An BTW - VLC will play the (again, unencrypted) audio MXF-File for/from a DCP directly, if you need to listen to it for a quick check.
I'm sure they will add the video/J2k part sooner or later as well.

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Stephen Angelini (Member # 5741) on 11-08-2010, 03:57 PM:
 
Wow, guys this is great! Thanks to Carsten, Anders and especially Lars for all the work. We were looking for a way to make DCPs for some one minute local publicity shorts. We are working from 2048x1080 DPX's and discrete 5.1 tracks for 24fps projection and it seems to work fine. They test OK on the Stereoscopic player.

The machines that will be playing them are likely Dolby and maybe Sony, so we're wondering about the transport. I've read that Ext2 or Ext3 formatted USB keys are used. Does it matter which and is one more compatible than the other? Also is all that's required a simple copy of the "DCP" folder generated from DCPC? No other magic?

Thanks for any info.

BTW: the English manual was very helpful though it seems DCPC has evolved since the original was made. Also, error and info popups still appear in German. Babel fish are so handy. But if a text file containing all the German was available, I wouldn't mind translating it.

Also: I tried using an interleaved 5.1 wav file but it didn't work so I had to use discrete wavs. This is on 1.3.7.5.
 

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Posted by Stephen Angelini (Member # 5741) on 11-14-2010, 11:00 AM:
 
FYI: we used an EXT4 formatted USB key and all the DCPC's we created worked on a DSS500. I wonder if all systems are as friendly. The only issue we had was that some files were named the same and after deletion the server had to be restarted for them to finally disappear from the enumeration.
 

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Posted by Kris Verhanneman (Member # 5562) on 11-14-2010, 12:55 PM:
 
Hello,

can somebody explain how you can extract the 5.1 audio from a trailer (video, MKV) to use them in the DCP creation software?

Thanks,
Kris
 

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Posted by Stephen Angelini (Member # 5741) on 11-26-2010, 06:26 PM:
 
I'm having a real problem with a 1'20" DCP using DCPC: everything seems just fine but there's a full scale audio "tick" at the very end of the DCP that doesn't seem to go away no matter what I try. It shows up in both stereoscopic player and at the theatre. My wav files are spec and clean (no metadata (not even in ultraedit), and all the files start and end at -inf.). The audio files play clean in 4 different programs, and the audio mxf DCPC generates plays cleanly in VLC.

We did a test making a DCP from a short 10 sec video twice the length of the audio, and then vice versa; in either case the longer media seems to dictate the length of the DCP and there's no audio pops. We tried the same variation with the original audio, and it ticks at end anyway.

I'm stumped. Any ideas? I realize this isn't necessarily the proper place for this discussion, but I'm not aware of any English boards discussing this (and my German is "uber sehr schlect...). I'll try sending this to Lars in case he knows what's going on. Thanks for any help.
 

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Posted by Kris Verhanneman (Member # 5562) on 11-27-2010, 05:41 AM:
 
Personaly I would look at the sound file.

There may be a DC offset on the audio track.

Or the audio may not be completly fade out when the track stops.
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 11-27-2010, 08:47 AM:
 
Lars has no problem with english language, and you can also post to the german forum in english.

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Stephen Angelini (Member # 5741) on 11-27-2010, 08:34 PM:
 
FYI, I found a workaround: I just made sure video and audio were tight by rounding off to the nearest second. There's actually only 8 choices that are easy to edit the audio to, quarters and eighths; any other choices have > 4 decimal places and hard to edit to. It seems that DCPC creates this tick if the audio is very very close but not dead on with the video, but not if there's a lot of difference between the two. And BTW, DC offset and non-zero end and start levels were among the list of things I made sure were not an issue.

So big thanks for the insights guys, I'll definitely check out the German forums next time and I'll definitely write to Lars about this personally.
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 01-31-2011, 11:49 AM:
 
New version out, now again wirh WIN7 support:

http://cinema.terminal-entry.de/

There is a basic english language manual. You can contact the author via email for any questions. Please give feedback/bug reports, any issues you encounter,

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Kris Verhanneman (Member # 5562) on 01-31-2011, 02:52 PM:
 
Carsten,

can you post the link to the german forum?
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 01-31-2011, 07:03 PM:
 
http://www.filmvorfuehrer.de/forum/12-digitale-projektion/

This is so to say the german language analogon to the film-tech forum.

And there is an ongoing thread covering this DCPC software, Lars, the author is a major contributor. No problem with english language there:

http://www.filmvorfuehrer.de/topic/7385-dcp-erstellen/

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Kris Verhanneman (Member # 5562) on 02-01-2011, 02:47 AM:
 
Thanks for the links.
 

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Posted by Terrence Meiczinger (Member # 5059) on 03-22-2011, 08:29 PM:
 
I've been developing an open source tool to create DCPs for the past couple of months called OpenDCP. I'm interesting in getting feedback and as well help flushing out bugs. I have personally used it on the Dolby DSS100/200 and have had people use it on the Sony and DoRemi.

There are both GUI and command line versions available for Win32 and OSX.

http://code.google.com/p/opendcp/
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 04-15-2011, 06:18 AM:
 
Today I received an update notice for QuVIS Wraptor.

Whenever Wraptor was mentioned during the last two years, people came up with QuVIS being bankrupt.
But obviously they still develop and sell Wraptor
Did they crawl out of Chapter 11, does anyone have more insight?

So far it's the cheapest of the commercial DCP packages.

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Richard Fowler (Member # 893) on 04-15-2011, 01:33 PM:
 
Quvis is now owned by an investment group with Wraptor promotion a goal.
 

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Posted by Terrence Meiczinger (Member # 5059) on 04-17-2011, 10:29 PM:
 
Seacoast Capital Partners, which funded QuVIS, Inc back around 2005 purchased the remaining assets of Quvis, Inc and created a new company called Quvis Technologies, Inc.

They recently updated Wraptor to support Apple Compressor 3.5, which had been broken for over a year. I'm not sure if there are any other fixes/enhancements beyond that.

The issue with Wraptor is that there are more competitors now and it needs some work to catch up. Qube and DoRemi also have Final Cut plugins. The other question is whether the plugins will work with the new Final Cut Pro X that Apple just announced.
 

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Posted by Bajsic Bojan (Member # 4928) on 05-04-2011, 10:26 AM:
 
i hope you dont mind hijacking this thread but:

At which point does one put additional language subtitles into the DCP? Or hearing impaired titles if you want to call them that.

I have seen xml files with subtitles and since if i'd want to take those and put in subtitles of my own, how could i do that? Changing the xml in an editor is easy, but can one put it into a DCP, or is it a separate file added additionally, or does one need mirrions of $$$ of software and a DCDM or even a DSM?

Can one add xml subtitles in any way on opensource DCP creation programs?

I want to do that for 2d content only.

Any input greatly appreciated
 

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Posted by Terrence Meiczinger (Member # 5059) on 05-04-2011, 11:41 AM:
 

quote: Bajsic Bojan

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i hope you dont mind hijacking this thread but:

At which point does one put additional language subtitles into the DCP? Or hearing impaired titles if you want to call them that.

I have seen xml files with subtitles and since if i'd want to take those and put in subtitles of my own, how could i do that? Changing the xml in an editor is easy, but can one put it into a DCP, or is it a separate file added additionally, or does one need mirrions of $$$ of software and a DCDM or even a DSM?

Can one add xml subtitles in any way on opensource DCP creation programs?

I want to do that for 2d content only.

Any input greatly appreciated

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A DCP does not need to be 'opened' - it's just a bunch of files. Just that the encrypted parts can not be played/decoded. You can pack encrypted MXF files for video and audio into a new DCP/CPL with new subtitles - but you will still lack the keys that allow playback of these encrypted files.

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quote: Carsten Kurz

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And just remember that subtitling is not just a technical process. Translating, fitting and timing can be a really cumbersome job.

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Yeah, this is definitely an aspect that I think gets overlooked. Its not like you can use google translator and have every language done in a few seconds... well not yet anyway. :-)

I'm working on improving subtitle support in OpenDCP. I'll have CineCanvas support in the next release as well as being able to create subtitle MXF files for SMPTE.
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 05-07-2011, 07:43 AM:
 
I'll have to look into it first to make any assumptions, but how could the timing of the subtitles be done effectively? I guess there's a big difference between 'post-titling' a DCP and setting up titles e.g. during editing/postproduction with the help of an editing program before it is actually converted to DCP/MXF.

The 'post-titling' approach would either need to play back video/audio MXF and set marks/timecode cues. Or you would have to use off-the shelf software that allows to set the timing and export cue lists to be married with the subtitles later.

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Bajsic Bojan (Member # 4928) on 05-08-2011, 02:10 PM:
 
keep in mind that for subtitling 35mm basically the same process of translation and spotting takes place, so this is the same cost for both.

how come making a multiregion DCP with multiple different subtitle tracks is not a norm somewhere? its done by dvd/bluray distros in most 'grouped' regions (lets say scandinavia, balkans,..), what is different with a dcp?

are studios doing anything about this already or is this completely a local distributor preference? i mean, what is stopping a local distributor that has 6 translations of the same movie and the source material of the movie to make 1 multiregion dcp with 6 additional xml files?
 

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Posted by Knut Erik Evensen (Member # 4379) on 05-08-2011, 06:14 PM:
 
Making different versions of a DCP is easy with professional mastering DCP software. The facility that has made one version could easily make another version that is delivered as a small supplemental package that can be emailed to the cinema or supplied on the DCP harddrive. When this supplemental package is ingested on a digital cinema server a new DCP with subtitles is available on the server. The facility could send out a harddrive with all territories on it easily, but typically it is just one language on each harddrive. In your case maybe the facility needs to get the DCP from storage so that could cost extra.
If it is cheaper to make a new version from scratch another facility could make a new version from the graded image sequence that was used to make the original DCP or film print. Hopefully a small distributor that has bought the rights to a film in a territory does not get a DCP made from a HDCam cassette.

Making a new version of a DCP with cheaper software that lacks the supplemental package option is possible. With Easydcp you could make a new version of a DCP if you have the jpeg2000 sequence and sound files from the original DCP. If you want to make a new version with new subtitles it would take maybe 60 min if using RAID storage. With a Doremi mastering station or Qubemaster Pro it would take maybe 20 minutes if using RAID storage.
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 05-08-2011, 06:20 PM:
 
Well, every translation costs money, so does every additional language.
There's some interesting articles on various aspects of DCP production on the EDCF Site - also a few about subtitling. One statement I remember is that subtitling is always the last thing in the production chain and get's the least financial resources and attention. http://www.edcf.net/edcf_docs/edcf_mastering_guide.pdf

Let's face it, people may like original language versions, very often they need subtitles to understand them, but nevertheless everyone hates subtitles.
It's just a bad idea to throw text onto an image that has been thoroughly composed without that caption in mind.
There's no glory in doing subtitling, there's no Oscar for it.

I guess they do a lot more subtitling for DVD and BluRay releases, but then there is more time for more languages and a real market for everyone of them.

I do admit there are considerable differences throughout the world. For some reason, Germany e.g. has a long lasting tradition in dubbing. You hardly see any original versions with subtitles here, not on tv, very few in cinema.
I know this is different for other european countries, where dubbing is only done for blockbusters and subtitles are the norm.

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Bajsic Bojan (Member # 4928) on 05-09-2011, 10:02 AM:
 
thanks for the link and thank you both for great replies.

subtitling is indeed the least costly of localization methods, but is probably the only thing other than 'rights' for a distributor here to take care of, so as stated, i dont see the claim of "subtitling is just too expensive in digital".

yes, germany has widespread dubbing, but i believe that most other places people would freak out when some ie sean connery was speaking with a different voice. animations and kids movies i understand are preferably dubbed.

thanks again
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 05-09-2011, 02:20 PM:
 
As a matter of fact, they are putting an enormous effort into dubbing in germany. It's an economy on it's own with it's own tradition. They always tend to use the same voices in germany, and as such, these 'voices' become equally famous as the stars.
Which in turn makes it nearly impossible to change an actors voice once his 'local voice' has been established. Then they get advertising jobs so as to 'transfer' the acting talent into the ad. Everyone recognizes them instantly. And hardly anyone knows the actors own voice here.

On the other hand, I do know there are dubbed movies in other countries where the same person speaks (reads) all the roles. shrieek.

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Mark Strube (Member # 4190) on 05-29-2011, 01:50 PM:
 
Carsten,

I tried emailing Lars, but it seems his email server has Gmail blocked. I had a question about sound on the DCPC software, maybe you can help?

I have a stereo PCM wav, and I'd like it to be treated as "SR", so not only the front left and right channels. Where do I place the file? Do I put it in the "left" placement, where it says multi-channel files? Or do I place it in the "center" where it says left SR right SR? Or should I be doing something else entirely?

Thanks for any help!!
 

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Posted by Kris Verhanneman (Member # 5562) on 05-30-2011, 02:52 AM:
 
The software can not make a dcp so that you can decode it in dolby SR (I hope I read the question correctly).

If you want more channels you need to provide the different audio files.
When using stereo audio files you place the stereo L+R file in the first line.
If you want a 5.1 sound for your DCP you may need to use 6 mono audio files.
1 for left, 1 for right, 1 for center, 1 for subwoofer (lfe), 1 for left surround (left SR) and 1 for right surround (right SR).

If you want to contact the creator of the software post your question in this forum. (you can post in english)

In my opinion: If you only have a stereo audio source don't try to decode it to 5.1 keep it in simple stereo.
 

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Posted by Mark Strube (Member # 4190) on 05-30-2011, 03:08 AM:
 
Thanks for the reply! This has inspired me to create a 5.1 mix for my project... just finishing it up now.
 

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Posted by Doug Willming (Member # 728) on 05-31-2011, 09:23 AM:
 
Although I don't do many policy trailers anymore, I get inquiries about our old trailers in DCP form. I've been trying out the DCPC software and think I'm on the right track, but unfortunately, I don't have access to a theatre to try them out.

I've uploaded 3 trailers to the following site - http://www.preshowproductions.com/DCPtrials.htm If any of you would care to download them and try them out, I would like to get feedback as to whether they load ok onto your system, picture ok?, sound quality and levels ok? You can either reply here or email me at doug@preshowproductions.com with comments. I appreciate your help and, of course, if the trailers are useful to you, you are welcome to use them gratis.
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 06-21-2011, 06:39 PM:
 
Doug - I just tried to grab your files and the links do not work. Would like to try them out for sure though.

EDIT: OK, Downloading now!
 

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Posted by Doug Willming (Member # 728) on 06-21-2011, 06:51 PM:
 
Sorry Mike - changed a few things and forgot to update the page with the different titles. Please try it now and let me know if they work for you. Thanks!
 

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Posted by Jonathan Jensen (Member # 5870) on 06-23-2011, 05:39 PM:
 
Doug, picture quality and audio levels seems good.
All three DCP's play fine here (on a Doremi DCP2000).

I noticed two of the DCP's has stereo and the last has 4-channel audio (though I could only hear left, right, center being used).
Good work
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 06-23-2011, 06:05 PM:
 
One thing Doug - The file names don't appear to comply with the DC naming spec. In our server, they show up in the "features" directory where they should be in the Policy directory. I suppose there is probably a way to go in and rename them manually but as long as I know where they are, it's not necessary for me but it would be nice to have them go where they're supposed to.
 

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Posted by Jonathan Jensen (Member # 5870) on 06-24-2011, 08:43 AM:
 
Mike is right. It would be best to have the DCPs 'kind' tagged as 'Policy Trailer' and have the Annotation and Content Title match after the DC specs.
I'd recommend using the title generator in OpenDCP's GUI version (Win or OSX only). It's dead easy and it takes a jiffy to make correct titles.
Then just copy/paste that into DCPC.
 

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Posted by Doug Willming (Member # 728) on 06-24-2011, 09:06 AM:
 
Great - thanks for the tips, guys! I'm in the process of converting all our old policy trailers over to DCP (and updating a few of them), since I believe there are enough installs in the indie circuit now to make it worthwhile. Since I don't have a theatre handy to check them out in, just want to make sure I'm delivering a good product. I appreciate the help and support from you guys that know a lot more about digital than this old film guy!
 

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Posted by Mike Blakesley (Member # 26) on 06-24-2011, 11:27 AM:
 
I was a little off in my comment above --- the clips don't go to the features directory, they actually go to the "trailers" directory. Better, but still a little off!
 

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Posted by Robby Golosino (Member # 6325) on 09-03-2011, 10:18 PM:
 
guys...ive been trying to download the "super" converter from http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html its latest version...but sad to say i cannot continue to download...because it says "some external error from link" do you have a mirror link of its latest version? i hope i can have one too...
 

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Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 09-12-2011, 05:10 PM:
 
Bump.

Has anyone come up with a repeatable procedure for ripping a DVD and converting it to a DCP? This requires reverse pulldown and deinterlacing of the video, separating out the soundtrack and converting to 48k 24-bit wav files, stretching out the sound from 23.976 to 24fps speed, converting the video stream to tiff images, and making the DCP.

From what I can tell, this can all be done with mencoder, libcss, sox, ffmpeg, imagemagick, and opendcp. Before I re-invent the wheel, though, I want to see if anyone else has already done this. I have had good luck with using opendcp and the imagemagick tools to make my own snipes and logos, but the dvd project is a bit more involved.

(I am not trying to pirate anything...this would be for legitimate bookings for which no 35mm print, Blu-Ray, or DCP is available. We all know that DVD is unreliable as an exhibition format, and that a DCP would be far preferable.)
 

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Posted by Carsten Kurz (Member # 5396) on 09-15-2011, 03:12 PM:
 
You can rip a DVD to a VOB or ISO image and play it with any decent media player like WD TV etc., incl. decent upscaling to 1080p

I really wouldn't go into the hassle of regular DVD conversions, there are just too many single operations and optimizations to be done on the way to make it a nice experience. Probably the best way to go would be to set up a commandline/batch pipeline with the necessary tools and parameters and then let your machine run over a few days. And then you will still end up with broken streams, images, out-of-sync audio, etc. every few conversions.

- Carsten
 

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Posted by Robby Golosino (Member # 6325) on 09-19-2011, 03:51 AM:
 
good day sir!!! can anyone teach me how to make a 3D animation using open cinematools? or open dcp? i am new to this era but i somehow managed to create a 2D animation...i wanted to try to create a 3D but i do not know where to start...thank you in advance sir...
 

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Posted by Jonathan Jensen (Member # 5870) on 09-29-2011, 03:21 PM:
 
Robby:
If you already know how to work with virtual stereoscopic cameras and whatnot in your preferred 3D suite, you just render a sequence for the LEFT and one for the RIGHT eye/camera.
Then feed that to OpenDCP... and you have your 3D DCP.
I created my first tiny 3D DCP the other day by following this brilliant tutorial which centers on Blender, a free open source content creation suite.
http://www.noeol.de/s3d/

Scott: I've only played with conversion of PAL DVD's (25fps).
That was pretty straight forward as you only have to deinterlace and resize the video. No pulldown or audio timestretching needed.
NTSC is a whole other matter though.
I would rip the DVD to VOB/ISO and run it from a PC if I had a NTSC disc.
 

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Posted by Robby Golosino (Member # 6325) on 10-02-2011, 03:11 AM:
 
thank you very much sir...i am happy to have you giving time to post such a useful response
 

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Posted by Justin Hamaker (Member # 2165) on 10-24-2011, 02:06 AM:
 
I am attempting to create a DCP for my advertising slide show. I'm using VirtualDub to export the video to bmp images (I've also tried jpg and tga), and I'm attempting to use OpenDCP to create a DCP package which I can ingest on my players.

VirtualDub creates about 11,000 bmp images that are about 5mb each from my ~8 min video file. This turns a 255mb file into about 60gb of image files. I'm assuming OpenDCP will drastically decrease this file size when it applies the jpeg2000 compression.

So far I have not been able to get OpenDCP to import anything. And so I haven't been able to even attempt to build a DCP. Any input would be appreciated.

For what it's worth, my source file is a avi 1920x1080 @ 24 fps.
 

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Posted by Scott Norwood (Member # 30) on 10-24-2011, 05:56 AM:
 
You need to give TIFF files to OpenDCP. They need to be scaled to 1080 vertical lines and/or 2048 horizontal lines and they need to be RGB (24-bit) color. You can use the Imagemagick tools (specifically "mogrify") to convert the bitmap files to RGB TIFFs and to scale them to the correct size.

And, yes, the resulting files are very large.
 

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Posted by Mark Hajducki (Member # 1732) on 10-24-2011, 10:30 AM:
 

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I'm assuming OpenDCP will drastically decrease this file size when it applies the jpeg2000 compression.

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